Cheaper Meat????

[JR]

Recently another member stated that going to Uzbekistan was akin to searching for "Cheaper Meat."

That made me think of this: A month or so ago I went to Ukraine where I got laid once. The total cost was about $2000.00 USD. Add to that all the planning, packing, preparing, airport security checks, jetlag and use of vacation time and it was one expensive piece of meat (which BTW, I don't consider human beings with feelings and emotions to be meat).

Now consider that last week I dated a local lady and got laid at a cost of $8 for gas in my motorcycle, $21 for fresh deli sandwiches and two drinks, $2 for a movie rental (she paid for that) and the total to get laid once comes to $29 and one day with about 20 minutes of planning and no jetlag.

So which is the cheaper piece of meat?

[GQBlues]

Now consider that last week I dated a local lady and got laid at a cost of $8 for gas in my motorcycle, $21 for fresh deli sandwiches and two drinks, $2 for a movie rental (she paid for that) and the total to get laid once comes to $29 and one day with about 20 minutes of planning and no jetlag.

Whoa! Big spender.

If she's an AW, chances are she could've split the bill with you without batting an eye. But the gentleman that you are, you likely bit the bullet and splurged!

 

[Mars]

Good logic JR.

And this proves the stupidity of others who claim that WM travel to FSU as sex tourists.  It is the rare man who will travel a great distance and pay a lot of travel money just to have sex when he could do the same within his own city.

So I don't buy into the sex tourist claims at all.

Now, there may be true sex tourists if they travel to parts of the world to have sex with young boys or young girls in countries where such activities are not illegal or at least not prosecuted..

But in my view, there is no such thing as a sex tourist who has sex with a consenting adult in any country of the world.  However there are plenty of people  who like to throw the sex tourist label around indiscriminately at someone who is not acting the same as the first person would wish.

[facetrock]

  Good post Mars, I agree

[RussianWind]

A month or so ago I went to Ukraine where I got laid once.

Just once? I thought you would blow Donetsk up with your multiplay backups

Mars, I also didn't believe in sex tourists for a long time. But girls complain about them all the time when find out their numerous lovers in other cities. Or invite girls to their place - one went, another come. No, they are looking for not only sex. They suck love and feel like supermen, bastards.

[Gator]

So which is the cheaper piece of meat?

The difference is nil when compared with marriage.

[tim 360]

I can't see anything CHEAP about dating (and getting any benefits) in the FSU.  It is far cheaper and less risky here in the USA with plenty of willing AW's who are thrilled that a guy would spend a few bucks on a date.  Plus, they understand English very well.  But, usually the guy doesn't want to marry them.  The BARGINS are here for the value conscious guy for dating...for marriage that may be a different story.

[RussianWind]

The difference is nil when compared with marriage.

Exellent answer Gator 

[Dave13]

You guys understand lots of RW look at this board!   As for cheaper, if all you want in a relationship is a one-night stand stay in the US.

[RussianWind]

You guys understand lots of RW look at this board!  

And who cares? I would more worry about JollyRats if he said he couldn't get laid in the FSU 

[Jumper]

Sex tourist exist,
 you guys are nuts if you havn't seen it there firsthand

you don't think thailand has a sex tourism trade?

you don't know just how many german businessmen travel to ukraiune?
they certainly arn't looking to be married for the most part..


Of course most FSU women are plenty intelligent enough to avoid those men  (if they want to )..
but i'm sure ,just like ran ycountry has theier are some casionovas tha tcan sweet talk thier eay into just about anythijng as well..

 most western men going there are not sex tourist.


but the situation certainly exists
don't be totally naive.

I know a guy personally, that i would catorgorize as this..
i think he is a complete  idiot,,but that doesnt change what he does, or what you'd call it.

[Gator]

And who cares? I would more worry about JollyRats if he said he couldn't get laid in the FSU 

 

RussianWind, you are the essence of RW pragmatic truthspeak.  Please keep posting.

[Gator]

There are two types of sex tourists: 

1) those who travel to countries primarily to use the services of paid prostitutes.

2) those who get into women's knickers via devious promises/suggestions of a better life.

[Dave13]

RussianWind, Sometimes post on these threads can come back to bite guys, especially if they provide personal information about their travels. Never underestimate RW.  

[Mars]

There are two types of sex tourists: 

1) those who travel to countries primarily to use the services of paid prostitutes.

2) those who get into women's knickers via devious promises/suggestions of a better life.

Your number 2 is total nonsense.  Did you read JRs original post and my follow on?

It is ludicrous for a man to pay big money to travel solely for the purpose of getting sex.

No sane man would do it.

Men might do number 2, but they certainly are not going to pay to travel long distances to do it.  So there is sex; but no sex tourism.

[Mars]

Sex tourist exist,
 you guys are nuts if you havn't seen it there firsthand

you don't think Thailand has a sex tourism trade?

I already covered the part about going to certain countries where you can have sex with persons in a setting that is legal or not prosecuted whereas it would be illegal in the home country.  So yes, there is sex tourism in that case.

But here we are not talking about traveling to have sex with minor boys and girls.

So for the case of men on this forum going to FSU I will repeat that it is silly to think that they are going to go long distances at huge cost solely for the purpose of having sex.  It makes no sense to anyone, if you will simply think of the logic.

It 'sex tourism' is only the most faddish of terms to throw out at somebody to suggest you are somehow better than them . . . PC talk perhaps.

[Mars]

Mars, I also didn't believe in sex tourists for a long time. But girls complain about them all the time when find out their numerous lovers in other cities. Or invite girls to their place - one went, another come. No, they are looking for not only sex. They suck love and feel like supermen, bastards.

I understand a little bit of what you are saying.

A guy may have girlfriends in different cities.  A girl may have boyfriends in different cities.  That has been going on for ages.  For sailors, it is a 'girl in every port.'  But the sailors did not travel to those ports for the purpose of sex.  They arrived in the ports on ships.  Then, being men, they have sex.

Guys and girls both go on vacation tours.  On such vacations both the guy and the girl tourists have sex with one or more new friends.

They are simply tourists who have sex while on vacation, the same as they have sex while in their home cities.

Sure, everyone understands that women do not like for men to have multiple girlfriends.

But having multiple girlfriends in one city or in several cities has nothing to do with sex tourism.

Sex tourism is just the lastest phrase to throw out to inflame the conversation as it sounds quite a bit stronger than the older standby of 'two timer.'

[Jumper]

Your number 2 is total nonsense.  Did you read JRs original post and my follow on?

It is ludicrous for a man to pay big money to travel solely for the purpose of getting sex.

No sane man would do it.

Men might do number 2, but they certainly are not going to pay to travel long distances to do it.  So there is sex; but no sex tourism.

mars, you can't speak for all people????????????????????


i told you i  know  a guy that does exactly that (phil's number 2)

i'm sure he'd be willing to take you with him on his next trip, he used to  always asking me to go with him, in fact offered to pay my way just for the company and the fact he *hopes* i'd pull some better girls for him..

its CERTAINLY NOT my deal,, i was certainly looking for a wife, and I married her.
 
but he is a sex tourist.
and he has the money..
and he does chase young beautiful girls that he couldnt get here!

it is NOT just having several G/fs in different cities,
wtf seriously.
Nor is it the old classic two timing in the traditional sense.

he is going there to a country, where his promises and  deceit will pay bigger dividends, he has no interest in Ukraine,
 and no real interest in marriage.He could not do this in any western european ciountry
(yes he could have several girlfriends, but he'd have to keep and establish a relatioships with them,at leastr short term..,he isnt doing that in the FSU.. he promises to,,but does not continue it)

that is SEX TOURISM

if he was flying into somalia ,,and offering food to the starving mother  in exchange for sex,,what would you cal it?
extreeme example,
but do you think he targets RW that are decently well off?
or ones in a more desperate situation?

so it has nothing to do with JR's scenerio or post.
but he IS a sex tourist, and actually a mix of gators 1 and 2,,as when  several of his number 2 prospects fizzle,
(sometimes they work out for him) he resorts to 1)

he has takien many RW to DR as well, when he wa sto olazt to fly to the FSU.

you guys burying your heads in the sand,
about a subject that happens often,  is just silly.

i'm not being PC.

noone is saying the women  arnt consenting adults, they are,
sometimes they know the score, other times are mislead by his promises..
regardless this doesnt change what he is, or what its called ,he isn't DATING,
nor is he truly looking for a wife.
 he is there for sex.period

what else are you going to label it?

some of you are so set in your mindset ,that really you need to either get out and experience the world more,
 or at least be open to the idea that truth is often stranger than fiction.
and men deceiving women for sex,and spending money to do so, isnt anything new..

 

[Mars]

and he has the money..
and he does chase young beautiful girls that he couldnt get here!

It still makes no sense.

With money, you can pay to have sex with number 10 hooker gals in the USA every day of the week.  The most beautiful faces and bodies imaginable.

So he can get the same girls here that he gets there.

[Jumper]

you are naive if you think he could get hookers here ,
 that look like the girls he dates there.
for anywhere near the costs of his trips...

plus some men enjoy the chase, and enjoy a "pseudo relationship..
he gets a week for example ..
buy a top flight vegas girl for one week..it's not the same to him? (and yes he could easily afford it)
its just not the same as some young woman that treats him genuinely like a boyfriend?


how many times have you been to the FSU?and where?
i'm not saying it's some huge percentage of  problem, but it certainly wouldnt be that hard to see it exists.


Most men i've known going to the FSU ,were decent men,looking for  someone to share their lives with.
(most were ultimately disappointed,some were quite fortunant)
but there ARE those who are truly  sex tourist,in every sense of that word.

[Rutherford]

It still makes no sense.

With money, you can pay to have sex with number 10 hooker gals in the USA every day of the week.  The most beautiful faces and bodies imaginable.

So he can get the same girls here that he gets there.

Maybe it makes no sense to some ,but  there are those that are adventurous  and wealthy enough  to travel to far  off places  for exotic  experiences and for some  those trips may be for  sex only .

[Phil dAmore]

I saw plenty of sex tourists while living in St. Petersburg.  All they care about is dipping their wicks and will promise a woman anything to get it.

Working with them wasn't pleasant but they were my most profitable clients.

[Mir]

Sure a man can have sex in his hometown, so why go to Ukraine for it?

And sure a man can find a wife in his hometown, so why go to Ukraine for it?

IMHO the two practices (going to FSU for sex or going to find a wife) may look very different but the motivation/reason behind them is the same.

[Sculpto]

JR.. your post is IMO rather tasteless. 

Guys claiming there is no such thing as a sex tourist are absolutely clueless.  Just read the romance scam boards and then try and make such an uninformed comment.  Far more women get scammed, mostly for sex, than men do for anything.  Amazing lack of insight on display.

[Gator]

you are naive if you think he could get hookers here ,
 that look like the girls he dates there.
for anywhere near the costs of his trips...

Exactly if you add all costs.

"for anywhere near the costs of his trips..."

And something is missing with local hookers.  What's that?  You nailed it:

plus some men enjoy the chase, and enjoy a "pseudo relationship..
he gets a week for example ..
buy a top flight vegas girl for one week..it's not the same to him? (and yes he could easily afford it)
its just not the same as some young woman that treats him genuinely like a boyfriend?

With a local hooker he knows the woman is gone as soon as he comes.  Now some men prefer that fact, claiming a man does not pay a hooker for sex, he pays her to leave after sex.  Yet other men want something called GFE or "girl friend experience." 

Knowing that the local hooker is with him only because he paid her money is a turnoff.  He prefers the fantasy that the beautiful "8" or "9" woman is with him because he is a wonderful man, not because he paid her a few hundred dollars for a hour or so of sex. 

Add to that the fact that some RW do not require a condom.