The best way to go about this process

[Enot]

Believe me Bruce ... that are out there but not in Russia or the Ukraine.  I know 2 women that were 30 or less and are happily married.

I don't what to bad mouth USA girls, but for me I didn't find them attractive in a personality sence.  I started looking elsewhere and I'm glad I'm did.  It took 2.5 years but I finally found the girl of my dreams and married her.

[vwrw]

Sounds already like a sexual orientation. Decide! What kind of guy you are! 

It is typical for sexually - NOT- satiated people to see sexual connotations even there where the connotations are absent, isn't it? 

[vwrw]

After more thinking, I arrived to a conclusion that I was mistaken when saying that the first a guy should  do is to determine whether he is a WMVM or WMVO or WOVO woman guy.
It would be smarter to start by making a list what qualities and attitudes the right woman (for you) should have.  Then, you need to identify the ways how you  would learn, through communications or otherwise, whether a given woman has the desired  qualities and attitudes. This list will channel your communication with selected woman in the right direction and may even help you  resist the temptation of choosing a seductive  but incompatible woman, an affiliation with whom would lead to a distress in long term.

[Bruce]

VWRW - agreed, but thrill seeking in Russia at such a cost means the 26 year old guy is independently wealthy.    It all seems ridiculous to me.    If I had a 26 year old son who says there are no quality women here and he only can go to Russia to meet one I would really feel sorry for him and hope I could guide him to look within himself and change plus provide him with the funds for a psychiatrist to help him.

[Vaughn]

vwrw - that's a very well-founded plan. Unfortunately, most guys start out by
looking at photos...  and screw up royally from there.

[KenC]

After more thinking, I arrived to a conclusion that I was mistaken when saying that the first a guy should  do is to determine whether he is a WMVM or WMVO or WOVO woman guy.
It would be smarter to start by making a list what qualities and attitudes the right woman (for you) should have.  Then, you need to identify the ways how you  would learn, through communications or otherwise, whether a given woman has the desired  qualities and attitudes. This list will channel your communication with selected woman in the right direction and may even help you  resist the temptation of choosing a seductive  but incompatible woman, an affiliation with whom would lead to a distress in long term.

I agree with this and would even take it a step further.  I would have two lists of qualities sought.  One would be deal breakers.  Qualities or situations that the woman must have to even be a consideration.  The second list would be of qualities you would like her to have but might be willing to compromise.  Fluent English might fall on the second list as an example.
KenC

[Turboguy]

I agree with this and would even take it a step further.  I would have two lists of qualities sought.  One would be deal breakers.  Qualities or situations that the woman must have to even be a consideration.  The second list would be of qualities you would like her to have but might be willing to compromise.  Fluent English might fall on the second list as an example.
KenC

  Remember Brian, you will be dating early 20s women. Alot more westernized than the late 30s models I chase around. In fact my experience with meeting some that age is they are little different than their AW counterparts. And if you do hit it off with the hottest one you meet, marry her.

It looks like Facetrock only has one thing on his list.   Hot and being a great wife are two different things.   It is nice to have both but I am not sure "hot" should be the only criteria.

[Turboguy]

Avoid the major places like Kiev, St. Petersburg and go places where Westerners are a little more scarce

Sounds like you want to be a big fish in a little pond or lack the confidence to pursue a quality big city woman.  If you only seek a desperate woman, I agree. Don't leave your common sense at home.  
KenC

I have read a lot of discussions about big city women vs village girls but it is the first time I have seen anyone suggest that someone who targets ladies from the out of the way places is too chicken**** to play with the big boys and lacks self confidence.    The rest of your post was well thought out and things I would agree with.

Way back all the tours focused on the big cities and travel to the more out of the way places was much more difficult.  Moscow, S.P. and Kiev got pretty overfished.  A hot lady in one of those cities could go out with a different foreign guy to an expensive restaurant and go for expensive gifts nearly as often as she wanted.   Now when I read TR's I see guys heading to places that are harder to get to and more out of the way. 

There are good women in the larger cities.  Many guys do feel the chances of success are better by going to the smaller and more out of the way cities.  Personally I think targeting the smaller more out of the way cities is a good move but I would not rule out the big cities and just look anywhere you can for the right woman.   Someone said you are from a bigger and lively city so either option would be good for you. 

Big City vs Village girls, WOVO vs WMVM and age gaps seem to be the hot topics.   Just do what seems right to you.  If you find good prospects in the big cities, great, if you find them in the out of the way places that too is great.  If you want to go meet one or to meet many, great.  Since you are 26 the only thing I would  say for certain involving the hot topics on RWD is don't marry a woman who is 25 years younger than you.  The bottles and diapers will drive you nuts.   

You will see guys saying avoid any woman under 25.  I don't think you are going to want to follow that advice.   Probably the majority of women or at least a high portion of women have their first marriage before they are 25 so as young as you are looking in the early 20's shouldn't be a problem and many guys avoid that group so the competition will be less.   There are mature and serious ladies under 25.

[remiel6]

I agree with turbo. Look for a woman you like and go where she is. I wouldn't rule out anything. You cannot be so afraid of being scammed that you spend every single date wondering if the girl is taking you for a ride. If you are at this point then I advise you not to go. To many people try to make this into a science.
1 tablespoon of sugar
1 cup of milk
2 eggs, = sweet Russian woman who loves sex and will always be faithful to you.

please, if relationships were this simple the divorce rate would be zero and everyone would meet their significant other the first time out of cage. All they would have to do is read the instruction manual. 

Well except for brave girl, there are no instruction manuals, there are no recipes and what worked for me probably wont work for you. Why? because your not me.

[BrianW]

Thanks for the advice! (Except for the guy from Brooklyn's) 

For those that have not read my "sex slave" thread, a big reason why I want to go to the FSU is for philanthropic reasons. I have three adopted cousins from Kazakhstan. They are all of Russian descent. All of them were abandoned at orphanages or hospitals .

One of the orphanages didn't have heat. You can imagine what this was like in Kazakhstan during the winter. I grew up in a pretty wealthy environment although I am not wealthy myself, not by any means. Being in this sort of environment can completely blind people to what the outside world is like.

I've spent many years wondering what the purpose of life is. In school, I befriended my more interesting professors and would often meet with them and ask them their opinions. I never got an answer that was fulfilling. I'm not a person of faith so I can't see my life as having any divine purpose.

So I think philanthropy can give me a purpose, rather than consumerism.

Sorry for the length of this post. I hope everyone has a good Sunday.

[RussianWind]

It is typical for sexually - NOT- satiated people to see sexual connotations even there where the connotations are absent, isn't it? 

I dunno. Ask Mr Freud. But I know for sure that people who are already not interested in sexual connotations, speak normally about politics and economics and some other boring disciplines, connected with entitlement atitude

[facetrock]

   Brian with all due respect its noble of you to want to help the poor and unwanted, but...
    If your going to pursue an RW she is going to want your undivided attention and what money you have will be expected to be spent on the family, to give them a better life, not spent on philanthropy.
   If you are looking for the meaning of life that tells me you really dont know what you want. Are you sure your ready for a lifetime commitment? Your only twenty six take some time and figure out what you really want.

[BrianW]

   Brian with all due respect its noble of you to want to help the poor and unwanted, but...
    If your going to pursue an RW she is going to want your undivided attention and what money you have will be expected to be spent on the family, to give them a better life, not spent on philanthropy.
   If you are looking for the meaning of life that tells me you really dont know what you want. Are you sure your ready for a lifetime commitment? Your only twenty six take some time and figure out what you really want.

Facetrock,


I totally see what you are saying. but, I wouldn't want to marry someone like this. I'm going to be honest with my intentions from the first meeting. By the way, my first trip isn't going to be anytime soon, and I will do much thinking up until that time, but my goal will remain the same.

In regards to meeting an RW, I know there is a HUGE chance I will crash and burn on my first trip. In the event that happens, then I will come home, gather myself and try again.

The volunteering will ensure that my first trip isn't entirely a waste, because even if I fail in meeting an RW, at least I will have helped some people that are much less fortunate than myself.

[Misha]

Believe me Bruce ... that are out there but not in Russia or the Ukraine.  

This again  To repeat once more, there are many great women women in Russia and Ukraine and based what I have seen in my week so far, many great women in the United States as well... I really have to wonder about men who disqualify all women from entire countries.

[Enot]

This again  To repeat once more, there are many great women women in Russia and Ukraine and based what I have seen in my week so far, many great women in the United States as well... I really have to wonder about men who disqualify all women from entire countries.

I'm not disqualifying women from a specific country(s).  I'm only saying your ODDS (remember ODDS, thinks ODDS) of finding a serious woman are in other countries besides Ukraine and Russia.  I completely agree that there are serious woimen in Ukraine, Russia, and the USA exist but the ODDS of finding a serious women are better in Belarus, Moldova, or Uzbekistan.

[Blues Fairy]

I completely agree that there are serious woimen in Ukraine, Russia, and the USA exist but the ODDS of finding a serious women are better in Belarus, Moldova, or Uzbekistan.

What, in your opinion, is the percentage of "serious" women in Russia and Ukraine vs. Belarus, Moldova and Uzbekistan?  Please give ballpark estimates (example: 20% "serious" in RU and UA vs. 70% "serious" in BL, ML and KZ).

[Ludmila]

Brian,

I can see your heart is pure, and although you are not a believer, you are very spiritual.  And a philosopher ( Means you are looking for wisdom).

The sense of life is different for different people. For some it is serving the Fartherland.

For others-- it is the notion of FREEDOM.

For MANY it is finding the HARMONY of soul.

Others believe finding their TRUE OTHER HALF is the sense of life.

Many people think the sense of life is in EXPLORING the world. 

For some people it is CREATIVITY  as a break through the mundane commonness of everyday reality, the Ecstasy of CREATION.


Some people feel that to be a GIVER is the sense of life.

Unfortunately, the scale of values imposed in contemporary media ( those who own it), make  a big part of young people believe that the sense of life is material accumulation (which will open the doors to happiness. Nothing can be further from the truth. Although it can make people famous, can buy them newspapers, industries, power, control of other people. But it will never bring them happiness).

 May be, you are on the right track : of making other people just a little bit HAPPIER.

 

[Sculpto]

   
    If your going to pursue an RW she is going to want your undivided attention and what money you have will be expected to be spent on the family, to give them a better life, not spent on philanthropy.
 

Huge generalization.  I know of many women who are themselves involved in working with orphans and would cherish a man who had the same values.

[Sculpto]

re: AWs..

Sure there are some good AWs and finding them depends a lot on where a man lives.  Some cities are going to have a high number of family oriented sweethearts and others are going ot be full of social climbers, gold diggers and career girls.   Brian happens to live in a city where the latter three types are far more common.  In fact, given the thoughtful kind of person Brian is I suspect he is going to have a hard time no matter where he looks because he has very high standards and is painfully honest.

There is a fantastic lady I know here in SF, beautiful, smart, elegant, non materialistic etc.. oddly she was having a hard time finding a man she connected with and decided to join the peace corps.  Now, she is married to a guy she met in the corps.  Food for thought Brian...

[facetrock]

2012, I really dont think that is a huge generalization. I think its the norm from my experience in the FSU. I am not saying there are not women who are not involved with charity but in my experience its been very rare.

[Sculpto]

2012, I really dont think that is a huge generalization. I think its the norm from my experience in the FSU. I am not saying there are not women who are not involved with charity but in my experience its been very rare.

Maybe because it isn't what you are looking for?  That is one of my requirements and have had little trouble finding ladies involved or interested in being involved.

[Enot]

What, in your opinion, is the percentage of "serious" women in Russia and Ukraine vs. Belarus, Moldova and Uzbekistan?  Please give ballpark estimates (example: 20% "serious" in RU and UA vs. 70% "serious" in BL, ML and KZ).

As I said in post #21 of this thread, "The reason is your ODDS (remember ODDS, thinks ODDS) are better of finding a serious woman to be your wife.  The reason for increased odds doesn't matter ... but your odds are better if you stay away from Russia and the Ukraine."

Percentages don't matter, it is just something you need to accept (ODDS increase if you avoid RW and UW).

[Blues Fairy]

As I said in post #21 of this thread, "The reason is your ODDS (remember ODDS, thinks ODDS) are better of finding a serious woman to be your wife.  The reason for increased odds doesn't matter ... but your odds are better if you stay away from Russia and the Ukraine."
Percentages don't matter, it is just something you need to accept (ODDS increase if you avoid RW and UW).

Nobody "needs to accept" anything unless it's supported by hard data.

That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out.  The ODDS depend directly on the percentages.  If you are so sure the odds are higher, you MUST have some idea what the percentages are?

[Misha]

As I said in post #21 of this thread, "The reason is your ODDS (remember ODDS, thinks ODDS) are better of finding a serious woman to be your wife.  The reason for increased odds doesn't matter ... but your odds are better if you stay away from Russia and the Ukraine."

Percentages don't matter, it is just something you need to accept (ODDS increase if you avoid RW and UW).

Again, not my experience. Met many, many wonderful women in Russia who are serious and would make wonderful wives. My wife is one of these. Reading your posts, I can only conclude that some men need better "odds" for whatever reason that may be 

[Enot]

Again, not my experience. Met many, many wonderful women in Russia who are serious and would make wonderful wives. My wife is one of these. Reading your posts, I can only conclude that some men need better "odds" for whatever reason that may be 

You need to go back and READ what I wrote.  I never said there were not serious women in Russia or the Ukraine.  I'm only taking ODDS!