Russian women are not the best on the world

[KenC]

SJ,
I have to agree with your wife, it IS probably time for you to move on.
KenC

[BillyB]

SJ, if coming here reading or arguing with posters makes you grumpy and angry and it's affecting with your married life, then married life is more important and take a break if you need to. Although not everybody agrees with me on a variety of issues, I actually enjoy coming here. I know I can go to other forums where the majority of posters will agree with me when it comes to politics and other issues in life but this is the only forum I choose to participate in.

[Sculpto]

hahaha.. dont go SJ.  I appreciate a lot of what you write.

[Makkin]

Wiz,


  Hello again and hope all is good for you and your wonderful wife.........  So far I've yet to become a hero here and I'm going on four years of participation as well as (7) trips to FSU...................lol


   I've not yet fixed in on the right woman but soon I will be standing in snow again and lurking into the diamond mine with a large shovel as well as a small magnification instrument.


   My daughter is almost 17 now and I've set her up for four years at Texas AM university where she will do very well in pre-med courses and has already accumulated 38 university credits with still another year remaining in high school. I suppose my daughter is my first obligation and my very special gift in life and I must do the best for her in all ways........


   If you know of any nice girls in Russia then please let me know as I would like to say hello to them and maybe visit them in the near future.


Your Friend,

Makkin

   

[XMan]

So there is no definition of British women?

Aren't they all sarcastic, love the late Princess Diana, and enjoy gardening and antiques?

 

[wiz]

Aren't they all sarcastic, love the late Princess Diana, and enjoy gardening and antiques?

 

and every weekend going out getting pissed and have...........fun, they say!

[pitbull]

I've come to realize, more so recently, that there are far more men that have attitudes like wiz than me posting on these and other international relationship discussion sites. I guess that's indicative of the MOB industry and many of the people that it tends to attract.

That there are people here who actually find merit in what he says goes back to my first point.

It seems that my wife had a valid point, as she usually does, when she asked why I continue to post here.

SJ,

You are WAY out of the league on this board. Guys like you almost never seriously seek FSUW and you won't have much if anything in common with RWD folk.
Believe me, you are wasting your time and effort trying to convince people like wiz.
As to why even bother reading and posting, I can offer only one suggestion: pure amusement/entertainment.
There is also a positive in the fact that your wife reads it occasionally: she will realize how incredibly lucky she is every time she reads the board. At least this is how it works for me-makes my husband even happier 

[Vaughn]

I certainly find little in the way of useful information here, and relatively few people that I can think of whose views that I respect in any way.

Yeppers. Might be time for a leave of absence. I hope you and I will stay in touch.

Vaughn

[Jumper]

For those that want a chuckle, I was passed this information from another member. Wiz, just some days ago said this on another forum, "Sorry but such Blanket statements and generalisations do not give a true picture without justification!" when replying to someone that claimed "Russian women are the best in the world."

Wiz, no matter what you or other men here think, you will never know Russian women like my wife and her family, and it's she and they that think your generalizations about most RW are absolute nonsense and my experiences confirm this. And this is not just some localized Northern oddity either as my wife has worked and lived in Moscow for some time and has family in Ukraine.

I do have a little theory of my own; going by what you and quite a few others have said, I think  it's a certain kind of woman that is generally attracted to the MOB industry and all those MOB agencies. It's these women that make up the majority of the women that western men meet because most western men use MOB agencies. Of course, there are exceptions there, as everywhere, and there will be a minority of women that are the fabled "glowing gems in the rough" that aren't anything like what your original post states. If men had much sense they would get away from the MOB industry altogether and then the ratio of not so nice to nice will switch But of course, there's a drawback there; most women in the FSU general population are not at all interested in old, fat, and/or ugly foreign men that have the charisma of a small house brick.

You know, I would've had less of an issue with your original post if you'd said, "Most MOB agency women are like this..."

FWIW, I have never given you the label of "desperate" that is an appellation you took from my post and gave yourself. I should also point out I never called you old, fat, or ugly either.

BTW, I'm happy that you've found a nice wife for yourself. Even people like you are entitled to some happiness.

SJ-
I think this is part of the issue..while wiz generalized and it doesnt fit your experience with RW, or mine actually,
 you also generalize as well?

The *why* western men often use agencies is well known,,
 not only is it most likely the first way to contact RW that becomes apparent to them,
as many stumble into it sideways from other on-line dating sites or situations.
 but more  importantly, RW listed in agency sites  have at least considered the thought of relocating.
MOST women in most countries population, are not really considering relocating?
but it has precious little to do with whether men from other countries are old,young,fat ,bald,fat, thin,handsome, or whatever.

I'm not saying men shouldn't branch out from the agencies..
but you tossing out the reason men don't look in that population segment
because they are GENERALLY somehow inferior ,reeks of the same generalizations you were complaining about?

The reasons they don't look , is that the women there are looking for a local man for the most part.
yet, still many western men do look through the more locally based russian on line sites,like free personals or mamba.ru?



I do agree that I would never look for RW,  if i felt that most of them were not fundamentally good people,
 with regular character traits..

I havn't the experience of others.
 My local russian friends ,my ex and her extended family,  can have some of those traits, or none of them..
.. they are individuals.
 
Generally women seem drive men crazy, and men seem to drive women crazy.
countless books.articles,movies and songs on the subject?
pretty common human condition.

I'm under the impression it has less to do with *cultures*,
 and more to do with just this common  love/hate "gender war"?

[Jumper]

SJ,

You are WAY out of the league on this board. Guys like you almost never seriously seek FSUW and you won't have much if anything in common with RWD folk.
Believe me, you are wasting your time and effort trying to convince people like wiz.
As to why even bother reading and posting, I can offer only one suggestion: pure amusement/entertainment.
There is also a positive in the fact that your wife reads it occasionally: she will realize how incredibly lucky she is every time she reads the board. At least this is how it works for me-makes my husband even happier  

being an old RWD "folk"-

ouch

[pitbull]

being an old RWD "folk"-

ouch

AJ,

You are one of the few good ones. I wish you to find you soul mate. And It really doesn't matter if she is RW, AW or any other kind of W... as long as its not a M 

[Seeker]

 My local russian friends ,my ex and her extended family,  can have some of those traits, or none of them..
.. they are individuals.
 
Generally women seem drive men crazy, and men seem to drive women crazy.
countless books.articles,movies and songs on the subject?
pretty common human condition.

I'm under the impression it has less to do with *cultures*,
 and more to do with just this common  love/hate "gender war"?

I know my opinion is not welcome in this thread per OP, but I think the above words are the answers to many of the debates in RWD including this one... once again, just my opinion.

[Jumper]

AJ,
You are one of the few good ones. I wish you to find you soul mate. And It really doesn't matter if she is RW, AW or any other kind of W... as long as its not a M 

Pitbull- thanks!   
I wasn't fishing for compliments.but now that i read it , it may appear that way, ,
really  i  was just joking a bit..
and !! LOL any future soul mate ,will not  be a M. I wasn't wired in a *blue* way.. 

[wiz]

Can I make something very clear, because obviously some people got the wrong end of the stick from my posts, specially the subject of this thread and about my person.

RWD is an open public forum and the main theme MOSTLY is Russian women and anything Russian. As such, since I originally joined, in my view all members old and new participate in either offering help or advice to asking people or we discuss and debate various subjects, however controversial can be!

With that in mind you also must remember that this is a small international community,  therefore opinions and views are diverse and you will never find a subject that everybody will agree 100%, because if they do then the subject and the tone will become boring!

Most of the members on this board will discuss, offer advice and debate subjects in a friendly and civilised manner, without fear to be called names, insulted or ridiculed by others, which it’s how it should be.

Unfortunately there are always certain people around, they come and go, who are prolific posters, whose main preoccupation is to dispute, criticise and ridicule everything written by other members. Of course they try and give the impression that they are knowledgeable in every subject under the sun, their writing style is arrogant, condescending and many times downright rude and insulting. If their views are disputed then they become aggressive and make personal attacks and insults to the other members and more importantly, in their ego trip to make themselves feel superior ignore or are ignorant of the experience, knowledge and personality of the other member(s).

Well I am not one who will stand back and take such attitude and behaviour towards me kindly and I always will reply in kind and in the same manner as my attacker. I am old enough to have some experience in life and I don’t take prisoners or accept April’s fool gladly and if my Mediterranean Blood is aroused then I hit back. Not the right or wise and  correct way to handle such matters, but that’s me!

In SJ’s case, since my first day coming back on the board, he started making aggravating and insulting comments, which I tried to ignore and the admin made a point to him that such behaviour is not productive but he took no notice. After a small period avoiding me, he started again, following me around trying to make fun, mock and ridiculing any comments I made.

Well as you read in my earlier post, I had enough of his behaviour and exposed him for what he really is. An ignorant, arrogant, rude person with total lack of any knowledge regarding Russian matters, Russian people, their culture and particularly Russian women!

Of course I don’t want him to stop posting here but he should be more careful on the way he is addressing other people, their comments and views. He must also remember that everybody is entitled to his own views and has the right to express them the way they feel fit, and I will always support and fight for their right!

I would also suggest to him to have a look and pay attention, if it didn’t ever crossed his mind to do so, to find out why old members, like Gator, AJ, Groovilsk, Vaugh, Viking, Lily, Ludmila, Sandro, Marcus to name just a few, are popular on this board and for whom I have a lot of respect.

Simply, it’s because of their writing style and personality. These members offer advice and debate subjects in a very civilised manner without belittling or coming across as patronising, condescending, been rude or insulting other people for their views.

For me that is the end of the matter with you SJ!

Seeker of course you are welcome here and I have no problem with you expressing your views on this thread. I don’t own the board or this thread, but as I suggested to you just address subjects that you have personal experience and not areas that you don’t!

Vaugh I am not happy with your last comments and apologise if in anyway I have insulted your intelligence, because I have always had great respect for your views and enjoyed reading your comments and I don’t think you should take that view and action. This board has great need of people like yourself!

Robert (MAkkin) I am happy to see you again and hear the good news about your daughter. I thought by now you would be married…… but alas you are still looking. Oh well I have some contacts and free time to make sure you find a RW pretty soon, so please email me as I have lost your address and see what we can do to …. hang you ! 

[Turboguy]

To me, part of my reason these days for being here is entertainment.  Yes, I like to help someone when I can or share whatever opinions I have, good or bad but RWD is a bit like an interactive soap opera.   We have drama, sometimes too much drama, we have people chasing their dreams and people chasing their fantasies.  We have love and hate and betrayal and all the elements you would find in a movie or soap opera.   Here we have heroes and villains and sometimes one persons hero will be anothers villain.   Some people here are like Steven Segal or Chuck Norris but the karate chops are delivered with words.  Some try to be the hero on the white horse to ride in a rescue another in distress.  We watch people embark on a quest, like an adventure movie but the buried treasure is the woman of their dreams.  We watch them stumble and pick themselves up and resume their search.  We watch their dream come true and then sometimes watch it crumble before their eyes. 

Russian women are not the best in the world.  Russian women are the best in the world.  Both are true.  A bad RW is probably worse than some of the worst AW and the best of them are far better than the best of the AW.  I waded through serial daters, scammers, liers and cheats to find my wife.  Yes, I may have passed over some very nice women in the search and been too dumb to see it but for me things turned out wonderfully.   The woman I did find is the most amazing and wonderful woman I have ever met.  Those who find a great woman on their first try are very lucky.   Everywhere in the world there are good and bad women.  Lots of RW do lack some of the qualities that we would love to find but there are great women in Russia if we have the perseverance to find them.

SJ, maybe you need a break.  Maybe you just need to take this less seriously and not let it be personal to you.  I see some things you say that I don't agree with and some things you say that are right on and great advice.   I admire most those who can attack a bad idea without attacking the person behind the idea.  We all have experience and wisdom but we all make mistakes and get a stupid idea in our heads once in a while.   RWD is a great place to share and learn, to help others make their dreams come true and to help others avoid some of life's potholes that we had to fall into to become a little smarter.   Personally I think some of the things people say here they would never say face to face with the same person.  Sometimes that is good, sometimes it is not.  It is not worth letting it affect you and you probably either need to learn to take it less seriously or take a break for a while.  You have great ideas so don't make it permanent.   

[Gator]

My wife asked me earlier today, "why do you bother to post there any more?" .....The only answer I could think of was that I find it mostly amusing. I certainly find little in the way of useful information here, and relatively few people that I can think of whose views that I respect in any way. ....It seems that my wife had a valid point, as she usually does, when she asked why I continue to post here.

Hey SJ....smell the roses....take a deep breath.

It does one good to take a break from this.  However, I hope you return.  Why?  I respect your opinion, and find myself agreeing with you more often than not.  And if not, you at least make me think.  I like people who stimulate my mind.

I recall your first posts here when you were rigid, arrogant and opinionated.  Yet, I could detect a spirited intellect, so I continued to read what you wrote, even if it lacked humor or a smile.

In my opinion you have mellowed some from your first days.  More mellowing would be nice, and I expect it will come as you enjoy marital bliss.

[Boethius]

I have never found SJ arrogant, or rigid.  He is opinionated, but almost everyone is, and SJ's posts were always intelligent and often witty.  I got his very Brit humour.

I believe SJ first came to learn more about Russian culture, when he first "met" his wife.  He was not looking in Russia, and never pursued the path most of you did in finding his wife.

wiz, I don't think SJ was following you around.  I think he just has views diametrically opposed to yours. 

[Seeker]

Seeker of course you are welcome here and I have no problem with you expressing your views on this thread. I don’t own the board or this thread, but as I suggested to you just address subjects that you have personal experience and not areas that you don’t!

I have known many different people from many different cultures.  Even dated/married a few.  But not yet someone from the FSU.  But from my experience, I see what you described as being based more on individual differences and not culture.  None of the FSU people I have met and been friends with follow the stereotypes I have read about.  But I admit I have not met every single person on earth  Maybe I look for and attract a different type of person than the ones you describe.


So I do have personal experience to justify my opinion.  They not just words I think, they are words I feel based on my experience with people from many cultures including my own.  All "shades" of individual character exist in all cultures in about the same ratio is how I have experienced it.

[KenC]

I have known many different people from many different cultures.  Even dated/married a few.  But not yet someone from the FSU.  But from my experience, I see what you described as being based more on individual differences and not culture.  None of the FSU people I have met and been friends with follow the stereotypes I have read about.  But I admit I have not met every single person on earth  Maybe I look for and attract a different type of person than the ones you describe.


So I do have personal experience to justify my opinion.  They not just words I think, they are words I feel based on my experience with people from many cultures including my own.  All "shades" of individual character exist in all cultures in about the same ratio is how I have experienced it.

Seeker,
You do have a point but also keep in mind you have not ever been to the fsu yet according to your profile.  All the people you have met have emigrated from the fsu and have assimulated to one degree or another.  The other fact is all the people you have met from the fsu have left the fsu and that somewhat taints your sample.  You have not met people living and happy in the fsu.  Of course your opinion is valid for your level of experience but probably less accurate than say someone who was born and raised in the fsu.  It is all a matter of degree and the wise people defer to those with greater experience than their own.
KenC

[Seeker]

Seeker,
You do have a point but also keep in mind you have not ever been to the fsu yet according to your profile.  All the people you have met have emigrated from the fsu and have assimulated to one degree or another.  The other fact is all the people you have met from the fsu have left the fsu and that somewhat taints your sample.  You have not met people living and happy in the fsu.  Of course your opinion is valid for your level of experience but probably less accurate than say someone who was born and raised in the fsu.  It is all a matter of degree and the wise people defer to those with greater experience than their own.
KenC

Not all were immigrants (from any of the cultures I have met/known/lived among).  Many were here for other reasons.  Tourists, scientists, students, peers in my vocation, immigrants, and philosophers.  I have been lucky in that I have gotten to meet a vast array of people.  But I get your point.  That is why my comments here are just about human nature and the tendency for all of us to be human. 

[KenC]

Seeker,
Just curious.  Do you have any plans to go to the fsu?
enC

[Seeker]

Seeker,
Just curious.  Do you have any plans to go to the fsu?
enC

Yes.  Specific ones.

[wiz]

I have never found SJ arrogant, or rigid.  He is opinionated, but almost everyone is, and SJ's posts were always intelligent and often witty.  I got his very Brit humour.

I believe SJ first came to learn more about Russian culture, when he first "met" his wife.  He was not looking in Russia, and never pursued the path most of you did in finding his wife.

wiz, I don't think SJ was following you around.  I think he just has views diametrically opposed to yours.  

Boethius

I came back to the board just to have fun and not to be involved in any arguments.

Obviously you haven’t paid attention to notice that he was following me around but I did and I don’t take kindly insulting remarks, like calling me “old gid”, because he was told off by Admin to stop his provocations. If you have nothing to do just go to the other thread about RW on high hills and check his remarks to find out his attitude.

Sorry but I standby my comments about him. I live in the UK permanently since 1978, so I can recognise British humour, which his, is not because he has none. I have no problem of people having diametrically opposing views, which they are entitle to and I can debate our views without insulting each other.

I don’t agree with few things you have posted but I didn’t start calling you names or insulted you!

[Boethius]

I didn't really expect you to change your mind.  Just pointed out how someone removed from the situation sees it. 

At the top of this forum is a list showing unread posts.  Any new post will appear, and I suspect SJ just started there, and commented with posts he disagreed with.  I didn't note anything provocative or outrageous in the high heels thread.

You took no moral high ground with me, wiz.  Rather than a direct confrontation à la SJ, you used subtle put downs. 

Incidentally, I also disagree with your characterization of Russian women on this thread, and agree with SJ.  I read your post to my husband.  Since the credentials of having lived among Russian women is the "objective standard" for expertise on the subject, I will disclose that he is a mix of Russian/Ukrainian, and lived among Russians for over half his life.  He rolled his eyes at the description.  I'm with Seeker on this one.  There are all sorts of people in every culture.

[RussianWind]

he was following me around

It looks to me that somebody is having a persecution complex here