Russian women are not the best on the world

[wiz]

RUSSIAN WOMEN ARE NOT THE BEST ON THE WORLD
AS CLAIMED BY MANY DATING AGENCIES AND DATING SITES

I will never claim that I know everything about relationships and women but I have had some experiences in life and I can only blame my self for a lot of things and mistakes that I have made in the past! I have been around these boards for a few years and visited Ukraine and Russia a few times and have met few of them so I will not sugar coat my experiences with them.

Most Russian women are slim, very attractive, stubborn, possessive, jealous, highly opinionated and outspoken. They know all and never answer a straight question with a simple yes or no but reply with another question. They avoid admitting mistakes or take responsibility for their actions and will always transfer this responsibility to you. They never say please and thank you until you train them and of course very rarely apologise. They are frugal with money and house proud.

Despite their assimilation in our Western cultures and norms, most if not all try to exert total control in a man’s contact with other people and persons that he can talk, and females are excluded from your circle of friends, no matter of their status Platonic or otherwise.

I have never experienced such control in my life with all my previous relationships, until I started a relationship with a Russian woman. I have been very happy with my ex-wife and ex-partner regarding this matter and found very difficult to accept such excessive control egging to suffocation.

No I don't talk about total freedom but I personally think that such huge control is not a good element in any relationship from wherever the woman comes from. I have heard of many men here in the UK married to FSU women, the same complain and that they are very unhappy about it. One thing to remember is that they will always go to your past history and remind you frequently and will never let you forget any mistakes you have made in the past!

Whenever I tried to find common ground and make common decisions to whom we can talk, very soon I found the ground shifting again and the direction of Total control re-appearing. I should have trusted my instinct more and listen to the advice of other people, had the courage to bail when that instinct told me it was time to exit stage. What grief I could have saved!

I don't think it can be stated strong enough that if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't and you shouldn't spend any time, whatsoever, trying to figure out the what, why or how of the situation and how to make it work and hope to find happiness.

Don't allow yourself to start making excuses for a Russian Woman's poor and unreasonable behaviour by rationalizing to yourself (or with other guys) that such behaviour occurred because of "different culture" or "different background" or "maybe there was a language issue."

Those who have made this venture into the wilds of an unknown such as international courtship have all been there, done that, got the T-shirt. I was advised, many times, but didn’t listen, from people who have been trough this endeavour that the best course of action is to just move on.

Don't get me wrong because there are many Russian women diamonds out there but you have to dig hard and deep to find one.

I have found my rough Russian Diamond and I am happily married to"

 

[Seeker]

RUSSIAN WOMEN ARE NOT THE BEST ON THE WORLD
AS CLAIMED BY MANY DATING AGENCIES AND DATING SITES

I will never claim that I know everything about relationships and women but I have had some experiences in life and I can only blame my self for a lot of things and mistakes that I have made in the past! I have been around these boards for a few years and visited Ukraine and Russia a few times and have met few of them so I will not sugar coat my experiences with them.

Most Russian women are slim, very attractive, stubborn, possessive, jealous, highly opinionated and outspoken. They know all and never answer a straight question with a simple yes or no but reply with another question. They avoid admitting mistakes or take responsibility for their actions and will always transfer this responsibility to you. They never say please and thank you until you train them and of course very rarely apologise. They are frugal with money and house proud.

Despite their assimilation in our Western cultures and norms, most if not all try to exert total control in a man’s contact with other people and persons that he can talk, and females are excluded from your circle of friends, no matter of their status Platonic or otherwise.

I have never experienced such control in my life with all my previous relationships, until I started a relationship with a Russian woman. I have been very happy with my ex-wife and ex-partner regarding this matter and found very difficult to accept such excessive control egging to suffocation.

No I don't talk about total freedom but I personally think that such huge control is not a good element in any relationship from wherever the woman comes from. I have heard of many men here in the UK married to FSU women, the same complain and that they are very unhappy about it. One thing to remember is that they will always go to your past history and remind you frequently and will never let you forget any mistakes you have made in the past!

Whenever I tried to find common ground and make common decisions to whom we can talk, very soon I found the ground shifting again and the direction of Total control re-appearing. I should have trusted my instinct more and listen to the advice of other people, had the courage to bail when that instinct told me it was time to exit stage. What grief I could have saved!

I don't think it can be stated strong enough that if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't and you shouldn't spend any time, whatsoever, trying to figure out the what, why or how of the situation and how to make it work and hope to find happiness.

Don't allow yourself to start making excuses for a Russian Woman's poor and unreasonable behaviour by rationalizing to yourself (or with other guys) that such behaviour occurred because of "different culture" or "different background" or "maybe there was a language issue."

Those who have made this venture into the wilds of an unknown such as international courtship have all been there, done that, got the T-shirt. I was advised, many times, but didn’t listen, from people who have been trough this endeavour that the best course of action is to just move on.

Don't get me wrong because there are many Russian women diamonds out there but you have to dig hard and deep to find one.

I have found my rough Russian Diamond and I am happily married to"

 

You are right, Russian women are not the best in the world.  They are part of the best.  All women.  (this has been a paid political advertisement for 'Seeker')

[wiz]

You are right, Russian women are not the best in the world.  They are part of the best.  All women.  (this has been a paid political advertisement for 'Seeker')

When you join the club (Men Married RW), get some experience and the T-Shirt under your belt..... then you can comeback, read this post again and then let us know your views.

For now, looking at your profile (despite your age) ..... you are just a newbie, so to help you out understand a few more things about RW read this (that I have posted in another thread), if you haven't read it, AGAIN!
 

Russian women are not for everybody

I know this comment was made many times by many people and I just re-emphasise here, theirs and my view.

I thought I was pretty experienced with women until I started this RW thing. It’s like starting all over again learning new rules and you must have a lot of patience. In my case I had/have all that and much more and determination to succeed.

Nothing you've ever done will adequately prepare you for dating Russian women. Most men come home after their first trip and almost all comment on the bluntness of the Russians. Their abruptness is sometimes startling. I believe some of that bluntness is due to them being speakers of a second language, even those girls who work as translators. Russian women just don't have a salesman’s vocabulary. Since they are not fluent in English language and don’t have the gift of the gob, they are able to just tell it ….. like is.
Manny of us are not accustomed to women being that honest and upfront with us.

If a man who has little experience with women goes to the FSU he will very likely be fooled by Russian politeness! If the woman is slouching in her seat, not making direct eye contact, not smiling or laughing at your silly jokes, not walking close by your side with her arm linked with yours, then you should make some excuse and move on.

No matter how beautiful she is, she just isn't all that interested in going to the next level and you'd be wasting your time and money, to continue tying to force the issue.

My last Russian experience smiled a lot, laughed a lot, was not afraid to kiss me in public areas and walk close to me with her arm around mine and that is what made me to pursuit her and she is now my wife. She is very attractive, well educated, has great strengths in her character, knowledge and is stubborn like most of them.

Remember that most RW will never accept they have made a mistake and say sorry and will always transfer responsibility for their mistakes to you. This trait in their character has been inherited from the old system and instilled in them never to accept guild for anything..... but luckily my then girlfriend, now my wife, was/is not like that and does say sorry when she makes a mistake!

In looking to find a woman in the FSU to share your life you must remember that the road is strewn with big problems (cultural and language differences). I was prepared to go through all that because I recognized early that the big risks will bring hopefully a huge happy reward and like many other people who made the same trip, finally I feel I was right.

I will never claim that I know everything about relationships and women but I have had some experiences in life and I can only blame my self for a lot of things and mistakes that I have made in the past!

I should have trusted my instinct more and listen to the advice of other people (some of them are still posting here), had the courage to bail when that instinct told me it was time to exit stage. What grief I could have saved! I don't think it can be stated enough that if something doesn't seem right, it probably isn't and you shouldn't spend any time, whatsoever, trying to figure out the what, why or how of the situation and how to make it work and hope to find happiness.

Don't fall in love with a photo. Don't allow your self to fall in love, when you meet her and start making excuses for a Russian Woman's poor and unreasonable behaviour by rationalizing to yourself (or with other guys) that such behaviour occurred because of "different culture" or "different background" or "maybe there was a language issue."

Those who have made this venture into the wilds of an unknown such as international courtship have all been there, done that, got the T-shirt. I was advised, many times, but didn’t listen, from people on this board, who have been trough this endeavour that the best course of action is to just move on.

If finding the right woman for you, in the FSU countries, is difficult then the real long road till she comes home to live with you, starts when you have to get to know each other and create a good relationship. It has been emphasized by many people how important is to have as long as you can face time to get to know each other. I would never have gone the route of the one week wonder and hope that everything will be OK later. It was always part of my plan living with my new woman for sometime in her own environment and that is exactly what we did.

Of course there are many considerations to be taken into account, like work, home, family and costs. Not everybody can up sticks and go and stay in Russia for long period at a time but in my case that was not a problem. I have been retired for sometime so time was not something I had to worry about but financial and domestic considerations of my woman were problems which had to be planned correctly. As it happens the whole family (of my then girlfriend) were very supportive of both of us and made every effort, including babushka, so we could live in her apartment as free as possible on our own without much interference.

One thing I have to say for sure, life was not going to be the same for both of us, after getting married in June 2008 and living in England together definitely was going to be more interesting and testing then it is over there. In England we have more opportunities for outings, visiting interesting places, more things to do together and of course travelling abroad to new places will enhance our life much more than it's possible in Russia today.

At the end I have to say, if it feels good it’s probably good!

I will strongly advice anybody starting this adventure not to underestimate the huge emotional and physical effort required, time scale and of course the logistics of the financial costs are very high!

If you can’t afford it….. stay home!


PS: This is a cut down version of something that I wrote over two + years ago and I hope it will be helpful to our friend here and maybe others!

[Ade]

You are right, Russian women are not the best in the world.  They are part of the best.  All women.  (this has been a paid political advertisement for 'Seeker')

You are correct. Sweeping generalisations like those in the OP are utter rubbish. This is my opinion as a man married to a RW and of my wife who knows many FSUW. Some men are unlucky enough to meet FSUW that aren't particularly nice and it boggles my mind why they still choose to marry them. Desperation perhaps?

[hemingway]

You are correct. Sweeping generalisations like those in the OP are utter rubbish. This is my opinion as a man married to a RW and of my wife who knows many FSUW. Some men are unlucky enough to meet FSUW that aren't particularly nice and it boggles my mind why they still choose to marry them. Desperation perhaps?

You are exactly right about such generalizations being utter rubbish. When a member here posts something very insulting about Russian women, especially on the Russian Christmas day, it reveals a lot more truth about the member than it does Russian women.

[I/O]

Russian Christmas day

Since when did Russia have a mortgage on "Orthodox" Christmas?

[LEGAL]

You are exactly right about such generalizations being utter rubbish. When a member here posts something very insulting about Russian women, especially on the Russian Christmas day, it reveals a lot more truth about the member than it does Russian women.

Very well said it shows the true content of ones character

[wiz]

Why I am not surprised and of course I was expecting that you will post here?

Because it is customary for you to offer your arrogant Expert opinion in Everything, disputing and dismissing everything said in the original post by me and every other member on this board. You are ignoring, twisting, misrepresenting and spinning our comments to present your “ONLY VALID” point of view to satisfy your ego trip and teaching everybody how to suck eggs. During your ranting you come out with some gems like this:

“Of course it helps that we are inherently compatible and so have less things to cause friction and disputes”

In this particular post you dismissed my comments about RW as “Sweeping generalisations”, without offering any facts! Then you have the Audacity to say that some of us have been very unlucky in meeting RW who are not nice and despite of all that we go ahead and marry them out of desperation!

In reply to your unsubstantiated comments regarding my description of Russian Women’s character, this board it’s full of other people’s comments, which I surmised in one post,  and of course personally I have met few of them and made my own conclusions, which coincide with most of the other people’s.

Talking about experience in RW matters, here is one for you:

Your profile:

Name:    SeriouslyJaded
Posts:    1050 (1.586 per day)
Position:    Hero Member
Date Registered:    16 March 2008, 07:30:14
Last Active:    Today at 11:15:31
Ignored by:   8 members

My profile:

Name:    wiz
Posts:    826 (0.468 per day)
Position:    Full Member
Date Registered:    08 March 2005, 14:33:15
Last Active:    Today at 12:28:07
Ignored by:   5 members

Just for your information I knew that I was ignored by 4 members, in the past, and before coming back to the board. Now I see that another one doesn’t like my straight talking…. But you are here for very short time, made more posts than I made in a similar period and you are ignored by 8 members. I wonder why?

BTW you behaviour on the board reminds me of another prolific famous AU poster here, doing exactly as you do, who went to Ukraine for one week and met the “Best woman on the world” but not posting anymore, so you have taken his place!

So let us know what is your experience in this game in finding the right woman in the FSU, because I can’t be arsed going back reading your over 1000 posts?

LEGAL

Mery Christmas to you and Olga.......  

and as good Orthodox Christian you should know what day is also today!  

So what is not true in my post that you dispute because ……you know my character much better than most people here?

Also I see no point arguing with somebody who has never been there with whom you agree!

[LEGAL]

Thank you Wiz and likewise to you and your wonderful Hanna.

PS Wiz My previous post was not directed at you in any way.

 Sorry for Excellent thread

[Ade]

You are a very funny guy so please keep on posting. No, seriously, it's people like you that keep me around these boards. Whoever has you on ignore is missing a hoot. 

Why I am not surprised and of course I was expecting that you will post here?

Because it is customary for you to offer your arrogant Expert opinion in Everything, disputing and dismissing everything said in the original post by me and every other member on this board. You are ignoring, twisting, misrepresenting and spinning our comments to present your “ONLY VALID” point of view to satisfy your ego trip and teaching everybody how to suck eggs. During your ranting you come out with some gems like this:
 

In this particular post you dismissed my comments about RW as “Sweeping generalisations”, without offering any facts! Then you have the Audacity to say that some of us have been very unlucky in meeting RW who are not nice and despite of all that we go ahead and marry them out of desperation!

In reply to your unsubstantiated comments regarding my description of Russian Women’s character, this board it’s full of other people’s comments, which I surmised in one post,  and of course personally I have met few of them and made my own conclusions, which coincide with most of the other people’s.

Talking about experience in RW matters, here is one for you:

Your profile:

Name:    SeriouslyJaded
Posts:    1050 (1.586 per day)
Position:    Hero Member
Date Registered:    16 March 2008, 07:30:14
Last Active:    Today at 11:15:31
Ignored by:   8 members

My profile:

Name:    wiz
Posts:    826 (0.468 per day)
Position:    Full Member
Date Registered:    08 March 2005, 14:33:15
Last Active:    Today at 12:28:07
Ignored by:   5 members

Just for your information I knew that I was ignored by 4 members, in the past, and before coming back to the board. Now I see that another one doesn’t like my straight talking…. But you are here for very short time, made more posts than I made in a similar period and you are ignored by 8 members. I wonder why?

BTW you behaviour on the board reminds me of another prolific famous AU poster here, doing exactly as you do, who went to Ukraine for one week and met the “Best woman on the world” but not posting anymore, so you have taken his place!

So let us know what is your experience in this game in finding the right woman in the FSU, because I can’t be arsed going back reading your over 1000 posts?

OLGA

Mery Christmas to you and Robert.......  

and as good Orthodox Christian you should know what day is also today! 

So what is not true in my post that you dispute because ……you know my character much better than most people here?

Also I see no point arguing with somebody who has never been there with whom you agree!

[greg2654]

Most Russian women are slim, very attractive, stubborn, possessive, jealous, highly opinionated and outspoken. They know all and never answer a straight question with a simple yes or no but reply with another question. They avoid admitting mistakes or take responsibility for their actions and will always transfer this responsibility to you. They never say please and thank you until you train them and of course very rarely apologise. They are frugal with money and house proud.

Amen Wiz, that was good! I found a lot of humor in your article because it had a lot of truth in it, although I can tell that you're not laughing.  I suspect that you wrote this after a particularly good spat. Ira and I have gone round after round about these and probably a dozen more things. I love my wife dearly but RW do have a dark side. It took a few years to knock some of the stars out of my eyes.

You are correct. Sweeping generalisations like those in the OP are utter rubbish.

Just because something is a generalization doesn't make it not true. It just means that it is not true about all RW.

[wiz]

Amen Wiz, that was good! I found a lot of humor in your article because it had a lot of truth in it, although I can tell that you're not laughing.  I suspect that you wrote this after a particularly good spat. Ira and I have gone round after round about these and probably a dozen more things. I love my wife dearly but RW do have a dark side. It took a few years to knock some of the stars out of my eyes.

Just because something is a generalization doesn't make it not true. It just means that it is not true about all RW.

Greg

I wrote this post in spring 2007 and after moving on from a bad relationship I had with a RW. By then I had met few other RW and while on this and other boards I observed the writings of other male members who made reference to such attribute. Also I observed the posts  of several Russian women, some still living in Russia and also many already in the West. Even today when reading posts, I observed huge difference in the writing style, outlook and attitudes between these women. Check this thread and other similar and you will notice those attitudes that I posted about RW that are more prevalent in those living still there and also the more open attitude from those living in the West.

I can’t remember if it was in this or another board a big debate going on, at the time, under the Title: “Are Russian women Damaged good?” and you can imagine the diversity of opinions but at the end of the day it was becoming very clear that most Russian women have these characteristics. If I posted something very wrong in the past, KenC or I/O would not hesitate to shoot me hard but just read their latest posts!

I also remember at the time before posting this article I used as a sound board 3 different RW, a couple of members of this and another board and one who has spend a lot of time in the UK but still lives in Ukraine. The board members did not accept my comments to be true 100 % but between 80-90% and the last one did tell me I was accurate 100%. Actually before making the post now, I did ask her to read my revised version and correct me but she told me I was still correct in my observations.

It is pretty obvious that Not ALL Russian women have all those characteristics but MOST of them and that is what I said (please check my Original post), which it was twisted by SJ to mean “sweeping Generalisation”.

Finally I married a Russian woman with strong personality who is not subservient or a mouse, not because I was desperate, as stated by SJ, but because I found what I was looking for! I was never attracted to women with weak or vain personalities and I enjoy the challence and had 2 very long lasting relationships 10 & 20 years respectively!

I can assure you that my wife did not  accepted to marry me, left behind her brand new flat, parents, family, friends and one of the best paid jobs there to come to live in the UK, because I am well off person and will improve her living standard. On the contrary she married me because she loves me and as Groovlsk said in the past, she was, still is crazy about me!

BTW my wife read Ludmila’s original post and completely agreed with her views.

[RussianWind]

Untill this post I had better opinion of Brits too and I see you also have some unique exceptions there  .

They never say please and thank you until you train them

judnnc said some did.... 

[JohnDearGreen]

They never say please and thank you until you train them.... 

I am 99% in agreement with your message, even though....
My Moscow lady frequently said thank you to me.  Her previous milionaire boyfriend hadn't spoiled her.  My Kyiv lady grabbed my arm at the airport and said please stay another week.  My KrivogRog lady blew kisses, cried, and said I love you outside my train window.   
 

Don't get me wrong because there are many Russian women diamonds out there but you have to dig hard and deep to find one.

Actually, you  might have to dig very hard & very deep in very many places.   

I have found my rough Russian Diamond and I am happily married to"
 

Good luck to wiz & wize wife.

Some like Jaded were lucky and/or smart and/or set realistic goals, and experienced success with their one and only.  You can read about the bad experiences all day long, but I question whether you really can know the agony of defeat until you've walked a mile in its shoes.

[Markus]

Hello Wiz,

I think the "Most Russian women are slim, very attractive" is quite close to the truth. Although, it seems that truth isn't
quite what it used to be since when I first began going to Russia. Maybe it's because I'm married now. But, your statement
is easily verifiable just by looking; anyone can decide if your statement is true or not. When you say that most Russian women
are stubborn, possessive, jealous, highly opinionated and outspoken, I would need to do some research. The sample population
would need to be quite large. It would not be enough for me "take" someone's opinion. Then again, what better opinions to
get than from Russian men. But, if Russian men would agree with what you say, I wonder why so many of them are married
to women from their country. Now, I'm assuming that you didn't have a large population of Russian men to ask so that leads
me to assume you had a large population of Russian women that you have interacted with to gain this understanding. I'm
hoping you're not basing your opinion on a FSUW relationship that didn't out work and a short marriage to your current wife.
I only have my wife and my visits to Russia with family to direct my thoughts about what you say. So, my population sample
isn't very big even though my wife does have very very many relatives.

Personally, my wife can be stubborn, but it's never an ugly stubborn. We've remodeled 90% of our home together, with very
little of it contracted out. I can verify that both me and my wife can be stubborn at times when we work together. My wife
is not possessive, jealous, highly opinionated and outspoken. Now, she is opinionated and does talk, so don't misunderstand me.
I guess if I was married to a robot, the robot would be emotionless and not have any of the traits you described.

I'm sure what you say is true about some Russian women. I think it's a bit of a stretch to apply your comments to "most" of
Russian women. Perhaps you should use the word "some."

In your subsequent post, you are correct when you say, "I will strongly advice anybody starting this adventure not to underestimate
the huge emotional and physical effort required, time scale and of course the logistics of the financial costs are very high!"
Going this route is definitely more difficult than dating or marrying a lady from your own country. However, all that wears off
after a few years of marriage. I mean, I seem to have broken all the "rules" to make it even more difficult. I am the One Week Wonder
and my wife spoke very little English. Now, she's almost fluent and I have a lovely lady. In July of this year, we will
have 6 years of marriage.

Mark

[Ade]

It is pretty obvious that Not ALL Russian women have all those characteristics but MOST of them and that is what I said (please check my Original post), which it was twisted by SJ to mean “sweeping Generalisation”.

For those that want a chuckle, I was passed this information from another member. Wiz, just some days ago said this on another forum, "Sorry but such Blanket statements and generalisations do not give a true picture without justification!" when replying to someone that claimed "Russian women are the best in the world."

Wiz, no matter what you or other men here think, you will never know Russian women like my wife and her family, and it's she and they that think your generalizations about most RW are absolute nonsense and my experiences confirm this. And this is not just some localized Northern oddity either as my wife has worked and lived in Moscow for some time and has family in Ukraine.

I do have a little theory of my own; going by what you and quite a few others have said, I think  it's a certain kind of woman that is generally attracted to the MOB industry and all those MOB agencies. It's these women that make up the majority of the women that western men meet because most western men use MOB agencies. Of course, there are exceptions there, as everywhere, and there will be a minority of women that are the fabled "glowing gems in the rough" that aren't anything like what your original post states. If men had much sense they would get away from the MOB industry altogether and then the ratio of not so nice to nice will switch But of course, there's a drawback there; most women in the FSU general population are not at all interested in old, fat, and/or ugly foreign men that have the charisma of a small house brick.

You know, I would've had less of an issue with your original post if you'd said, "Most MOB agency women are like this..."

FWIW, I have never given you the label of "desperate" that is an appellation you took from my post and gave yourself. I should also point out I never called you old, fat, or ugly either.

BTW, I'm happy that you've found a nice wife for yourself. Even people like you are entitled to some happiness.

[wiz]

Hello Mark

Nice to hear from you again, after so long time, and I am glad your “one week wonder” adventure has been successful and still going strong!

Obviously your high risk strategy paid off, despite the flack you took at the time from everybody here! Of course you also admitted, at the time, that you don’t recommend your strategy to everybody!

Any how back to the current post:

I think I have made clear where I based my comments and that is not a huge sample of the female Russian population but from a few women I met and know and also from my observations on this and other similar boards. I can also tell you that my Russian friends and acquaintances told me the same, when I was dating and living there for long periods of time during 2006 - 2008.

This board if full of comments from many people who dated and married RW and any observant person would have noticed their snippets regarding stubbornness, possessiveness, jealousy, highly opinionated and outspoken characteristics.

You just admitted that your wife can be stubborn as also it’s mine but it's never an ugly stubborn!. If it was ugly I am sure both of us would have finished our relationship by now!

You also said: I can verify that both me and my wife can be stubborn at times …

Like most Russian women who are “House Proud” and want to create a happy nest, my wife too on her arrival made clear to me that she wants us to renovate the house. That is what we did during the Autumn 2008, not that my house was in any bad state …… but it had to have her own stamp, if you know what I mean!

I was happy to Obligate! We both worked hard, had a few disagreements about technical things but she let me get on with it but the choice of colours was her decision! In other things, like curtains, we had a few disagreements……  because in Russia make better curtains than here in the UK…….. so at the end and due to circumstances that made her go back for a month…… I let her deal and curry the stuff over! Unbeknown to her, at the time,  the frugal woman…. Saved me money too! 

You say that your wife is not jealous or possessive but she is highly opinionated and does talk and I agree that they are not robots to be emotionless. On the other hand there is no woman in this world who is not jealous or possessive like we are too, otherwise we don’t care neither love them enough not to be but it is important how this jealousy and possessiveness is manifested with our actions. 

Don’t tell me that she doesn’t keep an eye on you when you go to a party on how you interact with other females, whatever their status and if you become very familiar she says nothing afterwards?

Mine I know does keep an eye but despite I am very sociable person and like talking to many people, I have never given her a reason to suspect foul play and as time go her confidence and trust grows stronger, so now she shows none of the above! It is natural, having left everything behind in Russia for our RW to feel insecure during the adaptation period and it’s up to us to make them feel secure.

I will stick to my statement that “MOST” RW and not “some”; after all it’s only my view!
I wish you many more happy years and I am getting close to 2 now……so I may  get my golden watch soon!


 

[wiz]

I am 99% in agreement with your message, even though....
My Moscow lady frequently said thank you to me.  Her previous milionaire boyfriend hadn't spoiled her.  My Kyiv lady grabbed my arm at the airport and said please stay another week.  My KrivogRog lady blew kisses, cried, and said I love you outside my train window.  
 
Actually, you  might have to dig very hard & very deep in very many places.  

Good luck to wiz & wize wife.

Some like Jaded were lucky and/or smart and/or set realistic goals, and experienced success with their one and only.  You can read about the bad experiences all day long, but I question whether you really can know the agony of defeat until you've walked a mile in its shoes.

John

Firstly thank you for your good wishes and secondly I am sure you are aware of the "Dirty Barrel theory", where you have to go deep to find your Diamond, if you are lucky!

Yes the creator has been a little mean and has not left plenty of Diamonds lying around on the surfice! 

Sorry I don't know much about SJ's history neither going to spent my time looking his posts to find out. I see that he just posted something so I will see what "new" he has to say!

[RussianWind]

Most Russian women are slim, very attractive, stubborn, possessive, jealous, highly opinionated and outspoken. They know all and never answer a straight question with a simple yes or no but reply with another question. They avoid admitting mistakes or take responsibility for their actions and will always transfer this responsibility to you. They never say please and thank you until you train them and of course very rarely apologise. They are frugal with money and house proud.

Wiz, I am sure you are an expert in British women eaither. Can you please provide their characteristic too, I am trying to understand what your motivation was to marry a tough Russian woman or you are just a masochist

[wiz]

Oh dear boy

How shallow you are, giving away in your first sentence your real intentions of making fun, mock and trying to ridicule me and my views.

Let me tell you that you are still in the primary school class when it comes playing these tactics when comparing to TomT (an old member here and in other boards). He was the  professional Master with his put downs, derogative comments and misrepresentation of the truth and still had to publicly apologise to me for his behaviour, when I proved him wrong!

Find out about him and his tactics if you want to improve your knowledge, skills and experience in linguistic acrobatics.

Now let me reply to your other “Golden nuggets”!

For those that want a chuckle, I was passed this information from another member. Wiz, just some days ago said this on another forum, "Sorry but such Blanket statements and generalisations do not give a true picture without justification!" when replying to someone that claimed "Russian women are the best in the world."

The member who gave you my statement on the other board didn’t also supplied you with the reply of the other poster, that: “It was ONLY his own opinion” …. And he didn’t state that as a fact!

Another member said:  “ That Russian women are among the best on the world” with which I agreed because that is a generalisation but not a BLANKET STATEMENT!

So clever cloggs get your facts right, before trying to mock and ridicule me!

Wiz, no matter what you or other men here think, you will never know Russian women like my wife and her family, and it's she and they that think your generalizations about most RW are absolute nonsense and my experiences confirm this. And this is not just some localized Northern oddity either as my wife has worked and lived in Moscow for some time and has family in Ukraine.

So it is your wife who is talking and telling you what to post not you,  which leads me to believe that you have None or very limited experience with RW of your own!

Reading “JohndearGreen” previous statement:

Some like Jaded were lucky and/or smart and/or set realistic goals, and experienced success with their one and only.

It becomes clear that you were another “one time visitor” therefore you have No experience whatsoever!

Actually the statement “experienced success” is subjective and based to whatever you have posted here and let the members know and not objective as NOBODY knows the REAL truth about your relationship with your wife! Don’t you agree?

With due respect please tell your wife that I have visited Ukraine 12 times on business and pleasure, not necessary looking to find a woman, and have met many people over there, as I was travelling around Ukraine setting up a holiday operation! If you need to see my website for verification let me know and I will PM you the link!

Also I have travelled and visited few places in Russia, went 7 times for a couple of previous RW and then another 7 times for my current wife till we got married and in total have stayed there nearly a year, so I have met plenty of people there too!

I am sure you will admit that I had plenty of time meeting people over there, experience their life style and I was able to form my own opinion about them and life there!

BTW I did follow the same pattern, as I would, if I was looking locally to find a woman and choosen the long road instead of a short cut, because I could afford the FREE time to stay there, unlike you and many others here! As about my reasons for looking there... you can answer your self that one but for me it was the result of my business travelling activity. If you go to a market and find good products of course you want some for your self too!

Johndeargreen said you have to dig deep and hard to find a diamond…. And that is what I did and I was lucky to find one!

How about that for experience?

I do have a little theory of my own; going by what you and quite a few others have said, I think  it's a certain kind of woman that is generally attracted to the MOB industry and all those MOB agencies. It's these women that make up the majority of the women that western men meet because most western men use MOB agencies. Of course, there are exceptions there, as everywhere, and there will be a minority of women that are the fabled "glowing gems in the rough" that aren't anything like what your original post states. If men had much sense they would get away from the MOB industry altogether and then the ratio of not so nice to nice will switch But of course, there's a drawback there; most women in the FSU general population are not at all interested in old, fat, and/or ugly foreign men that have the charisma of a small house brick.

You know, I would've had less of an issue with your original post if you'd said, "Most MOB agency women are like this..."

Russian women are not a “pizza” to order by phone or e-mail and I find this term repulsive and for you to use it, shows disrespect for human beings! I would advice you NOT to dare and say this to your wife because nobody will feel sorry for you neither blame her for her reaction!

I have never used or entertained the thought of using an agency or a translator to find a woman for me. I was always capable, in my life, attracting pretty women therefore in my view Russian women are no different. What is different is the means of contacting them and the Internet has open many avenues.

Not all Russian women who have a profile on a Dating or an Agency site are the type you are implying to, “desperate to escape from their dreadful life conditions, therefore are ready to accept huge age differences and ready to sell themselves to the “old, fat, ugly foreign men that have the charisma of a small house brick.”

There are exceptions as you admit, but finding them is extremely hard. I would suggest you spent more time on the ground, get some experience of life there, before making such silly comments!

I guess your last comment about; “old, fat and ugly foreign men,” was another linguistic attempt of yours to belittle people of my age but the fact remains that you also went there to find a woman! To be more precise you visited only one time, found a woman, have No experience about RW and probably women in general for that matter and you rely on your wife’s opinion to make your comments in Russian matters!

FWIW, I have never given you the label of "desperate" that is an appellation you took from my post and gave yourself. I should also point out I never called you old, fat, or ugly either.

BTW, I'm happy that you've found a nice wife for yourself. Even people like you are entitled to some happiness. 

Your statement about “some men”, was obviously including me and was clearly an insinuation implying that we (I) got married out of desperation. Don’t try your linguistics excuses with me because on the same token I can say:

Some men went to FSU for one time, met one woman and married her. I suppose they did that out of desperation and inability to find a woman in their own country!

Your last comment reeks of total insincerity when you say; “Even people like you are entitled to some happiness.”

I suggest you go to your corner, suck your thump and when you grow up, get some experience in life under your belt and women in general then comeback to have another chat!

I will be very happy to continue educating you to the facts of life. You need and have alot to learn!

[wiz]

Wiz, I am sure you are an expert in British women eaither. Can you please provide their characteristic too, I am trying to understand what your motivation was to marry a tough Russian woman or you are just a masochist

At the top of the original post said:

I will never claim that I know everything about relationships and women but I have had some experiences in life

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My view about British women is that they are not MOST of them the kind of women that I would want to create a family with, despite the fact that I was married to one for 10 years and had another relationship for 20 years. Both my ex's were and still are good women, strong personalities and good characters but finding another one it became very difficult, due to my travelling work.

I have already said that I am attaracted to strong personalities and challenging women, all others, the vain and mouse type would be a dissaster for me as I will walk all over them!

Sorry but I am not a memeber of that club! 

[RussianWind]

So there is no definition of British women?

[GregfromGa]

Wiz my friend you hit the nail on the head. I have always valued your posts here. Unlike SJ, I appreciate the fact that there is always some meaning and merit to your posts. These boards always have a tendency to get cluttered with posters like him that feel the need to post their every  thought that pops into their mind. I think they just like to hear themselves type. I have never thought I knew so much about this process that I felt the need to coach and comment on everyone and everything that hits the board here. I usually leave that to the self appointed experts here. They really do come and go.You know I met TomT once in Kiev and he really was a nice guy. My wife and I had dinner with him and one of his dates in Globis. I think Dan needs to let posters know that there is not a prize when one reaches a 1000 posts. There is no need to be in such a rush. There is a wealth of information that is hidden in thousands of useless posts that hit this place every year.

Dan does a fantastic job with this board. He is much more tolerate than I would be.

[Fashionista]

And this is one of the latest profiles from a Russian dating agency:

[Ade]

Wiz my friend you hit the nail on the head. I have always valued your posts here. Unlike SJ, I appreciate the fact that there is always some meaning and merit to your posts.

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I've come to realize, more so recently, that there are far more men that have attitudes like wiz than me posting on these and other international relationship discussion sites. I guess that's indicative of the MOB industry and many of the people that it tends to attract.

My wife asked me earlier today, "why do you bother to post there any more?" She is not particularly happy with the attitudes that many of the men voiced in several recent threads and that's an understatement. That's big coming from her as she's one of the kindest, softest spoken people I've met. The only answer I could think of was that I find it mostly amusing. I certainly find little in the way of useful information here, and relatively few people that I can think of whose views that I respect in any way. And then there are people like wiz, who consider femininity to be somehow encapsulated in a short skirt and a pair of high heels and think that the majority of RW all share a host of negative personality traits, and they are, well, just a little sad really.

That there are people here who actually find merit in what he says goes back to my first point.

It seems that my wife had a valid point, as she usually does, when she asked why I continue to post here.