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[Amerkanski]

Boethius

While I respect you I will not change nor edit what I wrote. If it means a banning then so be it.
I am a Man and will stand as one. I meant what I said. He did not write what he did as a statistic (which he is wrong by the way. One of his BS comments). But he made it a personal attack on BF with he would put a bet on it.
I will not back down to a person like this. I meant what I said and will stand behind it 100%.

Then prove me wrong..

[Ravens9273]

Then prove me wrong..

I have nothing to prove to you. You are the one claiming these statistics with posting no proof to back up your claims. It is you who needs to prove it.
Now for your information it has been discussed here many times with links to real statistics stating you are wrong. There is a lower divorce rate in international marriages.
Links are on this forum to PROOF. Not what you believe.
It is you who needs to prove what you say to be true. I am not the one who came here making things up as you have.
And by the way. My comments about you still stand. If you do not like it then step up to me like a Man and not a keyboard hero.

[GQBlues]

Don't forget Phil from St. Piter (rarely posts now) and Andrew from Tallin/St. Piter (hasn't posted in years).

Gator, you will be surprised (then again maybe not) to know Andrewfi is as prolific as he's ever been. LOL. Just not on this galaxy.

GQBlues, I still can not understand why some Russians prefer the eagle pose climbing on the toilet sits.

LOL. I can still safely hold on to the that image/visual then  

Our cleaners always complained that the toilet paper and soap disappeared much quicker in the lady's room than in the men room,  I think it because men don't carry the purses and bags often

I remember when my wife first arrived, you couldn't find her without a bottled water in hand. Jimeney, we couldn't drive 5 miles without her asking me to stop by a restroom. I wasn't sure if she liked drinking water or the feeling of taking a pee. Drove me nuts! I once told her to just roll the window down and directly dump the water from the bottle as it would save us a great deal of time instead of drinking it so she can pee it out. LOL.

The fact she probably have a size 5 cc bladder didn't help either.

[Amerkanski]

I have nothing to prove to you. You are the one claiming these statistics with posting no proof to back up your claims. It is you who needs to prove it.
Now for your information it has been discussed here many times with links to real statistics stating you are wrong. There is a lower divorce rate in international marriages.
Links are on this forum to PROOF. Not what you believe.
It is you who needs to prove what you say to be true. I am not the one who came here making things up as you have.
And by the way. My comments about you still stand. If you do not like it then step up to me like a Man and not a keyboard hero.

Are you serious? I was able via a keyboard to get you that mad? Where are you BTW?

[Misha]

Guys, he IS Russian.

That is my take on it too.

[Seeker]

That is my take on it too.

And/Or has another agenda...

[GregfromGa]

I dont think the poster is Russian.

[Amerkanski]

And/Or has another agenda...

Nope. You are in Tampa and I'll be happy to call you. I've already posted my email..

[OlgaH]

On page 1 before many got into a pissing contest, I thought Amerkanski had some interesting observations.  So did Lily.

 http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11248.msg219468#msg219468

His observations are limited to RW not seeking to marry a foreigner.  There is a difference between RW happy with their life in Russia and the RW who think her life would be better in the West.  

But some women don't change their attitude even after 10 years in US.  They will use the same foul language, push, jump the queue, make the rude remarks or cheap jokes insulting a person even not intentionally but in any case they will not say sorry... As a saying goes: a cheetah doesn't change its spots. The same kind of women and men as well exists not only among Russians.

[Ravens9273]

First I will post Statistics with proof (something he will not do) to show this guy just makes things up.

The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) reports that "...marriages arranged through these services would appear to have a lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole, fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for which reports are available." [14] The USCIS also reports that "... mail-order bride and e-mail correspondence services result in 4,000 to 6,000 marriages between U.S. men and foreign brides each year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail-order_bride

There is real proof. That is from USCIS who would know alot more then you to the divorce rate of international marriages.


Now also you call yourself American and ask where I am?
From my name an avatar which clearly represents the Baltimore Ravens I think it is easy to put together. you are actually the first who could not put 2 and 2 together. It is also on here often I am from Baltimore.

[JR]

Great...running to a travel agency...I need to learn how to be an ideal...life is so short, but I am still not perfect and materialistic

OK, I am confused. Are not perfect...yet? When will you be perfect I have been searching for the perfect woman, looks like I'm getting close.....

And are you not materialist or are you materialistic?

In one thing you are soooooo correct, life is short.

[Amerkanski]

First I will post Statistics with proof (something he will not do) to show this guy just makes things up.

The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) reports that "...marriages arranged through these services would appear to have a lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole, fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for which reports are available." [14] The USCIS also reports that "... mail-order bride and e-mail correspondence services result in 4,000 to 6,000 marriages between U.S. men and foreign brides each year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail-order_bride

There is real proof. That is from USCIS who would know alot more then you to the divorce rate of international marriages.


Now also you call yourself American and ask where I am?
From my name an avatar which clearly represents the Baltimore Ravens I think it is easy to put together. you are actually the first who could not put 2 and 2 together. It is also on here often I am from Baltimore.

Hey, I like the Raiders, but I for damn sure don't live in Oakland.. Alright you have already started with conditions on your facts. I am talking about: 1. Russian marriages period. Through an agency or not. So let me dig up some REAL statistics and they for sure won't be wikipedia.org

Now finally, I can't do it now because I've been up 27 hours straight, but I'll find them and then post

[Ravens9273]

Hey, I like the Raiders, but I for damn sure don't live in Oakland.. Alright you have already started with conditions on your facts. I am talking about: 1. Russian marriages period. Through an agency or not. So let me dig up some REAL statistics and they for sure won't be wikipedia.org

I presented facts. Wikpedia quoted off of the USCIS website. It is on their website as well so do not act as if wikipedia is not reliable. I also did something you did not do. Back what I said up with facts. The fact now you need to DIG UP some REAL statistics says you made your comments out of thin air and now you want to find something online to back up what you said. If you have to find facts now then where did you get your information before? You cannot in any way shape or form dispute USCIS.

Now finally, I can't do it now because I've been up 27 hours straight, but I'll find them and then post

Translation.
I have been busted and cannot find any facts because I was BSing the whole time, so now I am going to run and hide.

[facetrock]

I dont think the poster is Russian either Greg. I dont think he deserved to be warned either. Others have done far worse and havent even had their hand slapped, me included.

I would like to see this thread get back on track and am interested in what he has to say. If he lived in Russia for all those years he has to have learned something that could be of value to us.

I have heard this before from other men that have lived in Russia for an extended period of time that there is no way they would ever marry a Russian woman. Some I have met personally.

 Seeker, dont take this personal but by the way you post I think your a nice guy. But the feel good, love everyone and everything and cant we all just get along attitude might get you in a little trouble in the FSU. Some women( dont want to generalize for Gods sake!!!) in the FSU might consider you weak because of the way you think. And when they think your weak even if your not you suddenly become a doormat.

[Amerkanski]

I dont think the poster is Russian either Greg. I dont think he deserved to be warned either. Others have done far worse and havent even had their hand slapped, me included.

I would like to see this thread get back on track and am interested in what he has to say. If he lived in Russia for all those years he has to have learned something that could be of value to us.

I have heard this before from other men that have lived in Russia for an extended period of time that there is no way they would ever marry a Russian woman. Some I have met personally.

 Seeker, dont take this personal but by the way you post I think your a nice guy. But the feel good, love everyone and everything and cant we all just get along attitude might get you in a little trouble in the FSU. Some women( dont want to generalize for Gods sake!!!) in the FSU might consider you weak because of the way you think. And when they think your weak even if your not you suddenly become a doormat.

 

[Seeker]

Seeker, dont take this personal but by the way you post I think your a nice guy. But the feel good, love everyone and everything and cant we all just get along attitude might get you in a little trouble in the FSU. Some women( dont want to generalize for Gods sake!!!) in the FSU might consider you weak because of the way you think. And when they think your weak even if your not you suddenly become a doormat.

I can be many other people if I need to be (you should hear the voices in my head).  But in situations like this I tend to be more Taoist in my presentation.  I agree with what you say, and consider it a wise warning.  Thank you for reminding me that perception (as in how we are perceived) is 50% of the journey.

And in case anyone is wondering, no sarcasm is intended.  I am open to advice when it is presented properly.  Thank you facetrock.

[Admin]

facetrock - I too, would like to see the thread get back 'on track' - if we can figure out what that is/was.

BTW - Seeker's requests and reminders for civility are universal in any language. While true that not all will heed, and while also true that some RW might consider this "weak" (just as some AW might), that is not justification for allowing rude behavior.

Ravens - I am not going to ban you. I will probably delete a post or two - but it looks to me as though you (and others) were being baited.

Amerkanski - a rather conspicuous, if not civil, debut to RWD. As you indicated upthread, it would be a good idea for you to "take it down a couple of pegs" - and at the same time, it would behoove you to recognize you have no corner on the market of knowledge of all things pertaining to RW.

Let's get it back on track with productive discourse.

And BTW - for anyone interested in REAL, and recent, statistics, let me remind you of the survey we sponsored a while back - here -- http://www.goodwife.com/survey/xcultural_p01.html

- Dan

[Ravens9273]

Don't think. You're not good at that. I've seen the statics a couple weeks ago and already read them. Humans have this incredible mental tool called "memory" I just need to find them Again. Would you care to place a bet?

This is my last post to you. You cannot disput USCIS statistics and call them flase. That is the US Government. Anything you would dig up is just something you will find online by a person who makes things up like you do.

If you want to discredit wikipedia then here it is on USCIS own website (where wikipedia quoted by the way).

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=9a85d0676988d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextchannel=2c039c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

Read section IMPACT ON US MARRIAGES

There is nothing left to argue with you.
You started a useful thread (although as stated before is already here 1000 times). But you became rude with everyone then started making up facts. I stated before I saw your post before anyone commented. I did not think anything of it nor would ever have written or replied to it. But through the coarse you became argumentative with everyone and started putting up false information you made up. That is when I came in.
Then you had the nerve to say to BF she will divorce in 3 years.

You have showed what type of person you are throughout this thread. Even with facts put in front of you, you insist to keep up this attitude. I have nothing left to say to you. I provided the facts and there is none you can put up and tell USCIS they are wrong.

[Jooky]

Ravens, I hate to disagree with you, but the 'statistics' from the USCIS website are not viable statistics for Russian-American marriages.

Here is the full quote from the USCIS article:

It is interesting to note that, based largely on data provided by the agencies themselves (along with the Commission on Filipinos Overseas report cited above), marriages arranged through these services would appear to have a lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole, fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for which reports are available.

In the context of this discussion, the above quote can be discarded because:

1. The data was largely provided by agencies. They are not official census statistics or official USCIS statistics.

2. This report is old. The most current data it references is 14  years old.

3. The data concerns only Asian brides. It was taken from another study which pertained only to Asian (primarily Filipino) brides. I will try to find the full study. I've read it before.

4. The data measures marriages over a limited number of years (the years for which reports were available). That's not how divorce rates are typically calculated. In order to compare divorce rates, the standards of measurement need to be the same.

I have yet to see current and reliable statistics regarding divorce rates of Russian-American couples that can be compared to the national divorce rate. It’d be interesting to see if someone can really dig these up.

[Blues Fairy]

You just don't want me to explain MY views and opinions.

Really?
I specifically wanted to hear your opinion on how, exactly, your "straight truth" about RW would be helpful to a hypothetical guy who's writing to a 1) nice Russian girl; 2) "bad and ugly" Russian girl.  I was genuinely interested to know.  You have not answered but started attacking me personally - apparently you have some difficulty answering? No?

I bet you and your American husband will divorce or separate in the the next 3 years

I will see your bet and raise you a good whopping by my American husband; you can receive it at the end of the next 3 years or earlier if you wish, we don't really care.  

[Admin]

Russian women don't give me a hard time.. they love me. You just don't want me to explain MY views and opinions. Why? Because it will shine a real light on the truth about Russian women and their problems.. instead you want to cry to a moderator because you just can't stand the facts. I'll be happy to discuss them .Now respectively. I bet you and your American husband will divorce or separate in the the next 3 years.

I am willing to even place a bet and ride the national American- Russian divorce Statistics.

Putting aside the crass provocation of addressing someone whom you have never met in terms of their marital longevity - I was going to write that I will take that bet, but Blues beat me to it.

Double down??

Ravens, I hate to disagree with you, but the 'statistics' from the USCIS website are not viable statistics for Russian-American marriages.

Here is the full quote from the USCIS article:

In the context of this discussion, the above quote can be discarded because:

1. The data was largely provided by agencies. They are not official census statistics or official USCIS statistics.

2. This report is old. The most current data it references is 14  years old.

3. The data concerns only Asian brides. It was taken from another study which pertained only to Asian (primarily Filipino) brides. I will try to find the full study. I've read it before.

4. The data measures marriages over a limited number of years (the years for which reports were available). That's not how divorce rates are typically calculated. In order to compare divorce rates, the standards of measurement need to be the same.

I have yet to see current and reliable statistics regarding divorce rates of Russian-American couples that can be compared to the national divorce rate. It’d be interesting to see if someone can really dig these up.

>>I have yet to see current and reliable statistics regarding divorce rates of Russian-American couples that can be compared to the national divorce rate. It’d be interesting to see if someone can really dig these up.<<

Look no further than the left frame in the "References" block, with a link to the "Survey Report" - details found here -- http://www.goodwife.com/survey/xcultural_p01.html.

- Dan

[JR]

Do RW sit to pee ???

SMS60, if you had been to Russia you would know the asnwer to that question is no, at least not in public:)

[Jooky]

Look no further than the left frame in the "References" block, with a link to the "Survey Report" - details found here -- http://www.goodwife.com/survey/xcultural_p01.html.

Dan, that survey is more on track than the USCIS study, but it still can't be compared to the national divorce rate. As far as I know, national divorce rates are calculated using two different methods.

The most common method is a simple number of divorces / number of marriages per year.

The other method I've seen used is a much more complex estimate based on divorce trends and marriage longevity.

Neither method would work well for international marriages, and neither method can really be compared to the survey above. For example, if a recently married man answered the survey, he would answer ‘not divorced’. However, he may be divorced in a year or five or ten.  To compare Russian-American divorce rates with national divorce rates, the standard of measurement needs to be the same.

[Amerkanski]

Putting aside the crass provocation of addressing someone whom you have never met in terms of their marital longevity - I was going to write that I will take that bet, but Blues beat me to it.


>>I have yet to see current and reliable statistics regarding divorce rates of Russian-American couples that can be compared to the national divorce rate. It’d be interesting to see if someone can really dig these up.<<

Look no further than the left frame in the "References" block, with a link to the "Survey Report" - details found here -- http://www.goodwife.com/survey/xcultural_p01.html.

- Dan

Double down??

Depends, on a couple factors. How long is there relationship and the little baby is new right? Also, I know where to get the data.

[Admin]

Dan, that survey is more on track than the USCIS study, but it still can't be compared to the national divorce rate. As far as I know, national divorce rates are calculated using two different methods.

The most common method is a simple number of divorces / number of marriages per year.

The other method I've seen used is a much more complex estimate based on divorce trends and marriage longevity.

Neither method would work well for international marriages, and neither method can really be compared to the survey above. For example, if a recently married man answered the survey, he would answer ‘not divorced’. However, he may be divorced in a year or five or ten.  To compare Russian-American divorce rates with national divorce rates, the standard of measurement needs to be the same.

The construction of the survey methodology was designed to produce comparable results to those found published for domestic divorce studies. Researchers from prominent US universities participated in the construction of the survey, and an independent expert was contracted to review the methodology, and to evaluate select results.

We have always recognized the survey was not perfect - in the same way that any statistical study leaves open many questions. Still, it is - by a vast distance - the best widescale study of its type ever produced.

We welcome improvements - but till then, we stand by the results.

- Dan