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[Misha]

Great advice. How many members did this with their current partners? Was it a neutral third country the RW was able to travel to easily? Thanks

I traveled with my now wife, but inside Russia. Went to spend a week in a village. Went to hoe some potatoes. Went to Moscow. Never went to any exotic locales outside of Russia before getting married.

[ECOCKS]

The only reasons I found to travel is to get some alone time and build the travel record. Of course, taking vacations is fun, but falling in love in Dismeyland proves little in the long run except of course for overall memories. Sure we went to Warsaw, Krakow, Zakopane, Sozopol, Lviv, Odessa and Prague but those were after we were married (mostly) and the trips taught me nothing new or particularly interesting.

[Ludmila]

The picture is more or less clear.
 
Amerikanski is actually pretty accurate in his opinion of Russian women, given the circle of women HE HAD ACCESS TO  in Russia.
 
He is "singing" what he sees in front of him.
 
Being a definitely marginal type, he was able to  have access to, mostly, a circle of marginal females, accordingly.

( quote: " Meaning they could have been a stripper in Portugal 10 years ago ETC. This might come as shock, but most Russians don't like foreigners"). --Amerikanski realises what and who  he has access to isn't marriage material, so he gave up the idea.


It is logical and  common knowledge in Russia that strippers, sex industry employees want to leave the country to start a new life. This theme is the material for numerous films, fiction literature, theatre plays.

 
I have no doubt whatsoever that those ladies love him. Usually, LITTERal ladies are used to and  appreciate this type of a man, be it Russian, American, or any other nationality.
 
No decent lady in her sober mind would agree to have a relationship with a marginal male. Of course, they may not figure out he is dirt poor illiterate,   (quote Amerikanski  : "Are you a single American males going to Russian for your first time?" ).
 
 
And that wasn't a slip. He kept repeating it time and again.  Means, it sounds right to him. So, beyond any doubt,  Amerikanski can use some community college course of the 5-th grade curriculum, at least .



A. is either a naturalized American,  who hasn't lived in  US since childhood, has command of domestic English, but that's it.



Rednecks in America are usually decent, modest and respectful. He is definitely poorly educated, but isn't  a native redneck. His "TEMPER" , MANNERS and WAYS, surely, betray him.



As to the decent ladies he never had access to, any good girl worth her salt would not stand his rough ways, manner of treating her, speaking to her.



 

It is clear the "character's" nervous system is over-excited, he is easily irritated, cannot stand any critical comments or when someone is trying to object.



The  manner of talking is bullish ( verbally and psychologically) and rough.



 Verbal behavior suggests anxiety. In all probability, mixing  and mingling in  those marginal circles, he has been treeted roughly, got  strongly "burnt" and would like to caution the unawares.

 Also, I don't rule out he wants to be part of international dating agencies, to profit by his  current situation,
quote :

"Guys you need to understand there are lot's of single beautiful women in Volgograd/Russia and I live there, so it changes your understanding about "RW" completely. I have women friends or know many (in their 30's) that still live with their parents! They come to my flat just to hang watch TV or play on the internet. In short, to get away from their parents, but they must always go home afterwords and won't sleep over. Bizarre. "




The only thing I'd DEFINITELY pay attention to in all this SAGA THAT an American  newbie can EASILY  fall victim to  marginal structures, their agents and employees, and learn their lessons THE HARD WAY.

[UTRO]

No, I'm not Boris. If you've never been eye mugged talking English with your wife walking down the street..then maybe there is a reason for that. 

Well just got back home and went back to where I left off in this Thread.....

Amerkanski, would you care to Explain what you mean by the remark in BOLD above?

There are rules here and one thing we don't do is make insulting remarks towards wives....

I'll give you a chance to clarify. Mods?

[Turboguy]

It is fine with me that you would never marry a RW.   That is your choice and there are millions of other Americans who would also say they would never marry a RW.  There are also lots of us who would or have and some of us think we have wonderful wives and think we are the luckiest guy on the planet.

Some of the guys here sort of say they would never marry an AW because they are fat and care more about thier career than their marriage.   To me both statements are about the same.  Yes, the characteristics you mention do occur in RW and I have met many who would exactly fit the description you gave.   I have also met many that would not fit that description.   It is much the same with the negative comments about AW.  More may be fat than you find in the FSU but not all AW are fat and not all put a career above their marriage. 

Let me ask you this.  Would you marry an American woman?

[Shadow]

Amerikanski shows all habits of an American who lived in Russia for some time.

- He has found that Russians have a negative opinion on foreigners mayyring their woman which is generally true for  international marriages in any country
- He has dropped the usual Amrican sugarcoating and adopted a more international English style (his errors are indicating being native).
- He feels that his experiences are 100% reprresentative for all American males coming to Russia.

What is misses is that this is an international community where his experiences are far from unique.
He also answers the question of what kind of RW you will meet when hunting in bars and discos.

[Mylifeisdrive]

OK, I am confused. Are not perfect...yet? When will you be perfect I have been searching for the perfect woman, looks like I'm getting close.....

And are you not materialist or are you materialistic?

Both
And to became an ideal I need to visit Havaii first

But I have faund the perfect woman if you wish to try...Vienus de Miloss! No fingers ...no diamond rings. But don't be materialistic too...don't expect heroic deed in the kitchen from her

[Amerkanski]

It is fine with me that you would never marry a RW.   That is your choice and there are millions of other Americans who would also say they would never marry a RW.  There are also lots of us who would or have and some of us think we have wonderful wives and think we are the luckiest guy on the planet.

Some of the guys here sort of say they would never marry an AW because they are fat and care more about thier career than their marriage.   To me both statements are about the same.  Yes, the characteristics you mention do occur in RW and I have met many who would exactly fit the description you gave.   I have also met many that would not fit that description.   It is much the same with the negative comments about AW.  More may be fat than you find in the FSU but not all AW are fat and not all put a career above their marriage. 

Let me ask you this.  Would you marry an American woman?

Sure why not? Again, if "anyone" cares to read my disclaimer I am speaking in general terms about "my" Russian experience with Russian women.

[Amerkanski]

The picture is more or less clear.
 
Amerikanski is actually pretty accurate in his opinion of Russian women, given the circle of women HE HAD ACCESS TO  in Russia.
 
He is "singing" what he sees in front of him.
 
Being a definitely marginal type, he was able to  have access to, mostly, a circle of marginal females, accordingly.

( quote: " Meaning they could have been a stripper in Portugal 10 years ago ETC. This might come as shock, but most Russians don't like foreigners"). --Amerikanski realises what and who  he has access to isn't marriage material, so he gave up the idea.


It is logical and  common knowledge in Russia that strippers, sex industry employees want to leave the country to start a new life. This theme is the material for numerous films, fiction literature, theatre plays.

 
I have no doubt whatsoever that those ladies love him. Usually, LITTERal ladies are used to and  appreciate this type of a man, be it Russian, American, or any other nationality.
 
No decent lady in her sober mind would agree to have a relationship with a marginal male. Of course, they may not figure out he is dirt poor illiterate,   (quote Amerikanski  : "Are you a single American males going to Russian for your first time?" ).
 
 
And that wasn't a slip. He kept repeating it time and again.  Means, it sounds right to him. So, beyond any doubt,  Amerikanski can use some community college course of the 5-th grade curriculum, at least .



A. is either a naturalized American,  who hasn't lived in  US since childhood, has command of domestic English, but that's it.



Rednecks in America are usually decent, modest and respectful. He is definitely poorly educated, but isn't  a native redneck. His "TEMPER" , MANNERS and WAYS, surely, betray him.



As to the decent ladies he never had access to, any good girl worth her salt would not stand his rough ways, manner of treating her, speaking to her.



 

It is clear the "character's" nervous system is over-excited, he is easily irritated, cannot stand any critical comments or when someone is trying to object.



The  manner of talking is bullish ( verbally and psychologically) and rough.



 Verbal behavior suggests anxiety. In all probability, mixing  and mingling in  those marginal circles, he has been treeted roughly, got  strongly "burnt" and would like to caution the unawares.

 Also, I don't rule out he wants to be part of international dating agencies, to profit by his  current situation,
quote :

"Guys you need to understand there are lot's of single beautiful women in Volgograd/Russia and I live there, so it changes your understanding about "RW" completely. I have women friends or know many (in their 30's) that still live with their parents! They come to my flat just to hang watch TV or play on the internet. In short, to get away from their parents, but they must always go home afterwords and won't sleep over. Bizarre. "




The only thing I'd DEFINITELY pay attention to in all this SAGA THAT an American  newbie can EASILY  fall victim to  marginal structures, their agents and employees, and learn their lessons THE HARD WAY.

Wow, this is actually amazing. An armchair Sigmund Freud who can read my posts and conclude that I have never met a Russian women of any style or class. So let me intro to my girlfriend for the last 2.5 years that does not want to move to America, leave her family, and would love to live together forever in Russia.

Here is Sveta: She's 32 and has an economics degree from MU and does the payroll for a employment company in Volgograd and makes $2800 a month as a manager. She's does not smoke/drink and is 1/2 Russian 1/2 Tartar and owns her flat in the City Center and drives an a nice little Audi. When I met her she spoke NO English and after giving her the Rosetta Stone program (6 months later) she NEVER stops talking. I know many Russian women just like her.

Us in Adler:





Turkey:

[Shadow]

Money is not style or class. 

[Shostakovich]

The picture is more or less clear.
 
Amerikanski is actually pretty accurate in his opinion of Russian women, given the circle of women HE HAD ACCESS TO  in Russia.
 
He is "singing" what he sees in front of him.
 
Being a definitely marginal type, he was able to  have access to, mostly, a circle of marginal females, accordingly.

...

 Also, I don't rule out he wants to be part of international dating agencies, to profit by his  current situation,
quote :

"Guys you need to understand there are lot's of single beautiful women in Volgograd/Russia and I live there, so it changes your understanding about "RW" completely. I have women friends or know many (in their 30's) that still live with their parents! They come to my flat just to hang watch TV or play on the internet. In short, to get away from their parents, but they must always go home afterwords and won't sleep over. Bizarre. "


The only thing I'd DEFINITELY pay attention to in all this SAGA THAT an American  newbie can EASILY  fall victim to  marginal structures, their agents and employees, and learn their lessons THE HARD WAY.

There is a certain sharpness and reactive element in the Russian character, evident even in Lud's post above.  I think it's one of the reasons AM are drawn to RW, like me, they like that bit of Russian spice.  But even if that is not your cup... there are other compensating qualities that can make RW quite attractive.  Though my understanding of Russian culture is certainly still evolving, I have been there twice, have known several Russians who immigrated here, and have had the pleasure of knowing several others through letters etc.  But the Russians I know have been very well educated and made careers for themselves in American science - in fact I believe them to be of the upper echelon of Russia.  The ladies I write to all have university degrees, etc.  I didn't go slumming on my trips to Russia, but I did not go slumming on my trips to NYC either.  Nevertheless the downside is evident.  In the US we know about it, even if it is not part of our daily experience, through multiple contacts on the periphery.  But I don't know about the downside in Russia, so personally, I was hoping to see Amerikanzi's theme play out a little more here.  I speak with the Russian lady at work, a Ph.D. in biochemistry, about Russia all the time.  I asked her about the film 'Eastern Promises'.  I liked the film but thought it to be a probably based on some facts but also exaggerated like many Hollywood films are, with a view to the take at the box.  No, she, said -- it represents a not unsubstantial element of what goes on in Russia today.

But ladies from the  underbelly are most always easy to spot: poor education, no language ability or capability for abstraction, throw sex in your face from the get-go, no accomplishments, etc.  They are the ones with the bikini shots in the profiles and the job doing nails, shop assistant, etc., which is not to say that someone in those lines of work is necessarily to be avoided.  It surprises me, but WM get duped by the pretty face often enough, despite the obvious red flags. 

Lud hit the nail ... The people I meet who are all excited about doing you a favor have a question in reserve that typically involves a nominal service charge.  So what do you say, Americanski do you set the stage and in hopes of guiding some of us through the cultural minefield of Russia to the few shining examples of Rwomanhood that still remain.  Fee for services?               

[Doll]

Ludmila, excellent post!  

Lud hit the nail ...

She sure did!

(between us, girls, I would never ever marry the guys like the OP!)

[Amerkanski]

There is a certain sharpness and reactive element in the Russian character, evident even in Lud's post above.  I think it's one of the reasons AM are drawn to RW, like me, they like that bit of Russian spice.  But even if that is not your cup... there are other compensating qualities that can make RW quite attractive.  Though my understanding of Russian culture is certainly still evolving, I have been there twice, have known several Russians who immigrated here, and have had the pleasure of knowing several others through letters etc.  But the Russians I know have been very well educated and made careers for themselves in American science - in fact I believe them to be of the upper echelon of Russia.  The ladies I write to all have university degrees, etc.  I didn't go slumming on my trips to Russia, but I did not go slumming on my trips to NYC either.  Nevertheless the downside is evident.  In the US we know about it, even if it is not part of our daily experience, through multiple contacts on the periphery.  But I don't know about the downside in Russia, so personally, I was hoping to see Amerikanzi's theme play out a little more here.  I speak with the Russian lady at work, a Ph.D. in biochemistry, about Russia all the time.  I asked her about the film 'Eastern Promises'.  I liked the film but thought it to be a probably based on some facts but also exaggerated like many Hollywood films are, with a view to the take at the box.  No, she, said -- it represents a not unsubstantial element of what goes on in Russia today.

But ladies from the  underbelly are most always easy to spot: poor education, no language ability or capability for abstraction, throw sex in your face from the get-go, no accomplishments, etc.  They are the ones with the bikini shots in the profiles and the job doing nails, shop assistant, etc., which is not to say that someone in those lines of work is necessarily to be avoided.  It surprises me, but WM get duped by the pretty face often enough, despite the obvious red flags. 

Lud hit the nail ... The people I meet who are all excited about doing you a favor have a question in reserve that typically involves a nominal service charge.  So what do you say, Americanski do you set the stage and in hopes of guiding some of us through the cultural minefield of Russia to the few shining examples of Rwomanhood that still remain.  Fee for services?               

Absolutely. I would NEVER ask for a dime. Matter of fact, I am happy to help as in the theme and topic of my thread. Ask away.

[Doll]

Amer, sweetie, you didn't PM me. You wanted to talk? Come on!
 
(BTW, I forgot to say- yes, there are grains of common sense in the OP)

[Amerkanski]

Amer, sweetie, you didn't PM me. You wanted to talk? Come on!
 
(BTW, I forgot to say- yes, there are grains of common sense in the OP)

Doll? You talking to me? Sorry honey you need way to much attention from me.

[Doll]

Can't believe you're an IT person- you are not good in quoting. Why so?

[Doll]

Doll? You talking to me? Sorry honey you need way to much attention from me.

Like what? I need attention or I need to do more to gain it?

[Amerkanski]

Can't believe you're an IT person- you are not good in quoting. Why so?

Do me a favor. Stop typing and look at the palm of your hand...now slap yourself as many times as you can, as fast as you can, to get yourself out of this ADD moment. Now put your hand back on the keyboard. Now ask yourself if you're an American male going to Russia for your first time? If you have an answer...look at the palm of your hand..repeat

[Doll]

Something tells me Amer is into alcohol. Just some observations.
Dear, ADD is just my job. Really! See you later, have to go.
(No, I am not the male to go to Russia. )

[Daveman]

Well this has been quite the interesting read of a thread.

There is also quite a bit of truth in what the OP has written (originally).  Those temper induced emotional games are quite prevalent. Perhaps not all RW have that propensity, but I've yet to meet one who doesn't. It merely varies by degree.  The upside is - those emotional flames do seem to burn out fairly rapidly and fizzle into nothing very quickly.  It can be an unexpected roller coaster ride at times (or a blast off into another realm). Sometimes you won't know what hit you.  The ten second plummet into hell, roasting until golden brown, and then as quickly as it starts it'll be over - pretty much as if it never happened and some deep intimacy will usually follow.  That rapid change of gears takes some (a lot of) getting used to as well as a thick skin because anything and everything seems to be fair game when the emotions run high.

As far as RW being competitive and materialistic, well, that also varies but always seems to be present in one form or another. It is what it is.  

Also, there is a vast difference between common interactions with FSU people and being involved in a relationship with one woman.





 

[GregfromGa]

Nice photos by the way. I honestly think the OP came here with the idea of helping people. I think he hit the nail on the head with much of what he said. The whole notion of going and spending a month or two with your girl is a very good idea and something I did. I think the guy could certainly become a valued member of this place. Obviously most of the ladies here are not going to ever adhere to his way of thinking but that's ok. Your girlfriend is very pretty by the way. Amerkanski hang around, let most of this stuff just roll off your back if you can.

[Gator]

Amerkanski,

Thanks for sharing the photos.  You certainly resemble an American. 

Sveta appears to be an interesting woman.  I understand not marrying:        cow....milk.....free.

Many of us would not marry an AW without first living together for an extended period.  Yet, immigration laws prohibit living together.  Thus, to do the RW "thing," most AM must jump (figuratively) into marriage with someone who has more unknowns than an AW because of cultural and language barriers plus an age gap.

It is remarkable that so many marriages of "wedded strangers" do survive.  It is a testament that many RW marry in good faith, committed to making the marriage work.  This is one example of how your critique of the RW mentality misses some of the RW endearing qualities.

It would help if you would temper your discussion with what you like about RW other than their physical beauty.  Also, someone asked if you would marry an AW.  The answer should be interesting.

[Turboguy]

Scroll up Gator, he answered that and said he would.

I have sometimes wondered if the men of RWD would be so quick to marry if it was not a necessary part of the K-1 package.  I have a feeling that if we could bring RW here on a tourist visa and let them stay as long as we wanted if men would spend more time getting to know thier ladies before jumping into marriage.   It is pretty rare for an AM to propose to an AW after a 4 or 5 day visit.  There is no need to.  For RW with the cost of travel and the limited vacation time some get they don't have choices.  In my case we did pretty much what the OP suggested.  We spent a few months living together and I agree with him that if someone can do it they really should.

[Amerkanski]

Nice photos by the way. I honestly think the OP came here with the idea of helping people. I think he hit the nail on the head with much of what he said. The whole notion of going and spending a month or two with your girl is a very good idea and something I did. I think the guy could certainly become a valued member of this place. Obviously most of the ladies here are not going to ever adhere to his way of thinking but that's ok. Your girlfriend is very pretty by the way. Amerkanski hang around, let most of this stuff just roll off your back if you can.

Thanks for the warm welcome..

[UTRO]

I change my mind about Amerkanski. He isn't Russian, he's a little Hugarian guy with a Napoleon complex and that's why he came across as a know it all