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[Jooky]

Amerikanski, I have some questions:

What age range of women do you normal date or associate with?

Where do you primarily meet women? Through work? Through friends? Online? At bars and discos?

Have you met women through agencies or bridal sites? If so, do you notice general differences between Russian women who deliberately seek a foreign husband and those who are happy to find a husband back home?

Would you say your experiences with Russian women are primarily positive or negative?

Do you find Russian women in general to be stubborn and feeling entitled and not capable of saying thank you or sorry? (It’s something often said on this forum).

Do you think that American women (in general) are better wives?

[Admin]

Double down??

Depends, on a couple factors. How long is there relationship and the little baby is new right? Also, I know where to get the data.

You know no end to your crass behavior it seems. And yes, my quip about 'double down' might be seen by some (you) as license to perpetuate rude behavior.

Is that REALLY how you want to participate here at RWD?

- Dan

[CanadaMan]

... The main difference: the concept of the "sponsor" is much more prevalent in Russian society. A sponsor is a man, usually married, who will pay to have a mistress. Usually, the wife knows about it and will tolerate it....

Why would a woman want to be sponsored? Well, for money. Does this happen solely in Russia? No...

OK, thanks Misha I did not know about the "sponsor" concept. Now that you mention it though, I have seen it on another dating site, where the member is asked whether they are looking for a sponsor or not. I thought that was very strange, but now I understand why it is asked.

[Doll]

How long is there relationship

Now tell me this is written by a native speaker!

[Amerkanski]

You know no end to your crass behavior it seems. And yes, my quip about 'double down' might be seen by some (you) as license to perpetuate rude behavior.

Is that REALLY how you want to participate here at RWD?

- Dan

Alright, I am sorry and understood it was a rhetorical question. I just got whipped up in this thread with so many jumping in this mob fight. It's your board, your rules, and promise you will never ban me due to bad behavior. I have years of great information for the right people.

[Jooky]

We welcome improvements

Regarding divorce rates, I think it would be interesting to see the same 'yes' or 'no' results for couples that married more than 5 years ago and couples that married more than 10 years ago.

[facetrock]

Amerikanski.
Jooky just asked you some good questions. Ignore the people who annoy you. Lets see what you got.
I for one would like hear some of your advice and experiences.

[Doll]

Hey, bud, PM me your phone number- I'll call  

[Admin]

Regarding divorce rates, I think it would be interesting to see the same 'yes' or 'no' results for couples that married more than 5 years ago and couples that married more than 10 years ago.

Jooky,

We have the data files, and could produce it.

I do not have the time right now - but if you have the energy, I can send you the raw data.

Send me a PM if interested.

- Dan

[CanadaMan]

SMS60, if you had been to Russia you would know the asnwer to that question is no, at least not in public:)

Hey JR, so I'm not the only one to have witnessed the female public wee-wee?
I was taken aback each time I saw it actually (twice). They both occurred within about six months of each other, but not in Russia.

[Seeker]

Hey JR, so I'm not the only one to have witnessed the female public wee-wee?
I was taken aback each time I saw it actually (twice). They both occurred within about six months of each other, but not in Russia.

I once worked in a place (publicly accessible) where the policy was everyone took turns cleaning the bathrooms, even the president of the company.  The women's bathroom was never a pretty sight.  I was amazed by what I learned/had to clean up.

[acrzybear]

Interesting, A new poster shows up professing his willingness to help the poor Americans traveling to Russia and immediately proceeds to bait everyone and piss them off, and he gets warned on the first day-must be a new record.

 Either this thing is a troll or they really need to get a life

[JR]

I blame Sculpto!!!

Think about it: Sculpto would have jumped on Amerikanski and everyone else would then have piled onto Sculpto. Therefore this is all Sculpto's fault

Some very good points were made in the OP. From having been married to a Russian Princess for over ten years I will say that I have found much of what was stated to be true for myself.

[ECOCKS]

Wow - talk about igniting the fire and then tossing kerosene on it.

What a shame the arrogance wasn't tempered by a bit of humility and grace.

[MR01]

Crazy - my first thought was 'Who's that tripping over my bridge'. Looks like, smells like, souinds like.

[DaveY]

Don't forget Phil from St. Piter (rarely posts now) and Andrew from Tallin/St. Piter (hasn't posted in years).

There's also Richard Wright. He's seen it from both sides. First as a Canadian man who went to Russia, used an agency and married a RW and now as a happily married man living in Russia, running his own marriage agency.

Amerikanski, why don't you post some of your personal experiences with RW? I'm sure that would be appreciated by all the members here.

[alex330]

Amerikanski.
Jooky just asked you some good questions.

Yes, I would like to hear these as well. Would help out tremendously.

[Jumper]

 I have seen some train wrecks as the OP is warning of ?
but of those that i see, the men involved quite honestly would have train wrecks in any country, including thier own ,
and  often certainly have had already..

Very few guys i have seen with any clue on life , married some "rough crude" RW that had a ghetto mentality,, (which can exist in any culture)

Most couples i know personally are doing just as well as any domestic marriage in either country.

I can appreciate some of what the OP said in his first post,, but certainly wouldn't agree with "all" of it
as some great eye opening *general truth*.
 

The whole "looking down" ,or jealousy of  those that have some *perceived opportunity* , I agree isn't unusual,,,
so it's no wonder a RW marrying a foregner isn't looked at kindly ..
but for quite different reasons "in general" than what the OP was alluding to?

I've lived in eastern europe long term as well, (but no not Russia proper)
but a lot of posters here have..

I have seen the ugly side ,and bad . .as well as the good,

My *past*  "in-laws" are nothing like what is being presented here.
my MIL still calls and checks in on me ,even with her limited english and my poor russian.

i've seen a different people ,than he has somehow.
(but yes , i've seen those that fit this description as well)

 I am looking forward to the OP actually stating what he thinks would help a western man (yes even a Canadian ,since they
are sooo different  )  in this venture.

perhaps in steps 1 2 3 4 5 6 .etc.  


so far we have some good advise !!
if you delete 95%(i just made that stat up )
 of the *white noise *you get-

1. go stay there with her for a a couple of months (check)( i did that)

2. be sure and take  her in a different enviroment,out of her comfort zone to see how as a couple you resolve cultural /language and general issues as they come up

(check) i did that,not turkey ,and not really for those reasons, ,but it was part of the trip,, and was in egypt )


Not new advise,but certainly worth repeating it!

anything else?


Personally I'd like to see this stay on track, and both the OP and others can help with that.

[alex330]

2. be sure and take  her in a different enviroment,out of her comfort zone to see how as a couple you resolve cultural /language and general issues as they come up

Great advice. How many members did this with their current partners? Was it a neutral third country the RW was able to travel to easily? Thanks

[Jumper]

alex , i went with my ex to egypt (easy  visa on arrival at airport for RW)
and also greece ( i lived there before as well, and she had traveled so shengren visa was easy for her)


I must say i did not do this for this reason,we had already spent a lot of time together and simply wanted a vacation,
but it did bring up some interesting things.. and some typically problems in travel .. for us both to resolve and see how we each handled them,, her viewing me as well of course?
The woman involved is likely far more carefully watching you as a prospective partner ,in all thses same scenerios,,
than you are her..(if she is serious ) this is often overlooked on this board,and if she isn't, then somethings amiss!!

[alex330]

Thanks once again for this one. Travelling to another country will allow you to experience and see other sides to your prospective partner. A little added travel stress and unusual situations to see how the both of you cope.

The woman involved is likely far more carefully watching you as a prospective partner ,in all thses same scenerios,,
than you are her..(if she is serious ) this is often overlooked on this board,and if she isn't, then somethings amiss!!

You are absolutely correct. She is very smart and is assessing me in her own very subtle way. I find it attractive actually.

[Amerkanski]

Amerikanski, I have some questions:

What age range of women do you normal date or associate with?

I don't date women under 32

Where do you primarily meet women? Through work? Through friends? Online? At bars and discos?

When you live in Russia and NOT Russian it's impossible NOT to meet women. I go to my favorite cafes and market places and just sit, but in truth, after building your daily routines it's a matter of time before they all know who you and that your single. Single ladies are very clever introducing themselves

Have you met women through agencies or bridal sites? If so, do you notice general differences between Russian women who deliberately seek a foreign husband and those who are happy to find a husband back home?

I've never met a Russian women via an agency, but met many women who use them. It's a giveaway because they all know some English. Most already have kids and there is a huge difference in attitudes. Mater of fact, many I've met who want out have some sorted jaded past in the family/community. Meaning they could have been a stripper in Portugal 10 years ago ETC. This might come as shock, but most Russians don't like foreigners.

Would you say your experiences with Russian women are primarily positive or negative?

A great question and VERY complicated. I am not there to marry so is mostly positive. Guys you need to understand there are lot's of single beautiful women in Volgograd/Russia and I live there, so it changes your understanding about "RW" completely. I have women friends or know many (in their 30's) that still live with their parents! They come to my flat just to hang watch TV or play on the internet. In short, to get away from their parents, but they must always go home afterwords and won't sleep over. Bizarre.

Do you find Russian women in general to be stubborn and feeling entitled and not capable of saying thank you or sorry? (It’s something often said on this forum).

That is a classic sign of not understanding Russian culture. They are all like that. I got a quick story. I took my 2 year RGF to Antalya, Turkey for 14 days and I paid for everything plus gave her $500 spending money. The first day there she found a pair of shoes she had to have that cost $450. She told me to pay they guy and I said you pay him and she asked with what? I told her the $500 I gave you, she replied, that's MY money. My answer was, MY money does not like that color. She was angry all they way back to the hotel and refused to talk to me for 12 hours. Hell, I didn't care because the hotel bar was all inclusive. You need to cure them of the crap real fast or you'll be licking that thumb a lot.

Do you think that American women (in general) are better wives?

We Americans always talk too much about "our" feeling and crap and AW have the capacity to understand different levels of love that originates from the soul bla bla bla. Most (Not all) Russian women can't understand "our" capacity or levels due to complicated "lets talk about you feel" cultural differences. A RW love can be crude, rude, and rough around the edges, but it will work each and every time you need it. It is security and beauty through simplicity. Better wives? In America or Russia is the real question?

[Shostakovich]

Late the party as usual - here's Shosty's summary:

2 interesting posts

7 1/2 pages of bickering

1 really funny and surprisingly underrated peeing video

About par?

[Gator]

Great advice. How many members did this with their current partners? Was it a neutral third country the RW was able to travel to easily? Thanks

I did it about 20 times.  All it proved is that we had a great time together on travel holidays.  100% compatible, even when traveling with the kids, which we did several times. 

Marriage is different, and we're not compatible.

[alex330]

 

Marriage is different, and we're not compatible.

Not to pry, but it is not working out? Can you share the reason it is not working? Generally speaking maybe just to give us newbies some info.