Life Changes...Part Deux

[Misha]

Lots of women do. So if you're going to find a woman with serious issues, might as well pick one that's 18 and hot.  :evil:

I take it you have been through a nasty divorce Jooky  :evil: Her being "hot" will not compensate for the hell you will go through  :evil:

However, I would not be solely worried about the danger of an eventual nasty divorce. Something does not seem right in the story that he is telling and he may be in the process of being set up IMHO.

[BillyB]

In my world, 18-year-old women don't have the hots for 40-something-year-old men. I therefore assume that when this happens:

1. The man is being played by the woman;
2. The woman has serious issues (daddy issues, self-esteem issues, etc...)

Thanks for your concern Misha but I got ripped a new A-hole earlier in this thread for using a fake profile to test her if she's playing multiple men. She rejected that fake guy. I should be safe. If she's not the real deal in Kiev, I have a backup plan. If she needs a daddy, I promise not to spank her too hard if she misbehaves.

Call me biased, but I can't see under normal circumstances how an 18-year-old would seriously consider a middle-aged man.

Don't worry, on her end, two women with a lot of intelligence, she who knows 5 languages and her mom a doctor are okay with me and possibly thought I'm the best guy out of hundreds vying for her attention.

So, it has nothing to do with whether some 18-year-old you have never met says she has the "hots" for you, it has to do with the fact that you are seriously pursuing such a woman. 

Let's see.... the past year I've dated RW at home, some up to 10 years older than I and I've turned down numerous invitations from ladies in the FSU to visit them. Some invitations came from very young women yet YOU and Kievstar focuses on this one woman and think I seriously target young ladies and need a bashing along with the perverts who go to the FSU. Where were you guys when I said earlier that I liked dating older women because on average, they know how to take care of a man than the younger women do? I basically endorsed older women and criticized younger women.

If you guys can remember what I wrote in this thread the past few months and if you knew what I didn't write, there were some close opportunities I had to go exclusive with a few women. The girl I'm visiting in Kiev was nowhere near at the top of my list because she wrote me as a friend. A few times I stopped writing her because I'm not looking for friends but she brought me back to writing her and is now coming on strong.

It's great that you two want to be champions, are concerned and want to protect young RW virginity from all the World's ugliness but I've been to the FSU and I've seen old foreign men in shops with young RW and I feel sorry for the foreign men! Old guys taken to school by young women. The young RW are going to achieve their objective and if by chance they open their legs for a guy, it is their choice. You can warn the ladies but you can't stop them.

 

I would not be solely worried about the danger of an eventual nasty divorce.

Some people think I'm too cautious protecting myself and have already questioned if I'm considering marriage ever again. Now I'm taking too many risks? Here is what I know. Marrying a young person can be risky because they may not know what they want in life and can change their mind. Marrying someone my age who's been in a divorce is high risk because those who have been divorced once are in the high risk category of divorcing again. They could be damaged goods.

Should I just stay single which will continue to piss some people off here or should I accept some risks for a lady that may bring me a lifetime of happiness? What I do know if I can find a woman that thinks the World of me, believe most everything about me is excellent and I'm the best guy out there, the risk she'll not like me later in life diminishes. As long as I stay who I am or improve, life should be okay.

Something does not seem right in the story that he is telling and he may be in the process of being set up IMHO.

 

I think if she's trying to take advantage of men, she'd send out her bikini photos a little earlier. I didn't get them till 6 months of communications passed.

If I left out the age of this lady, the reactions of everyone may be a little different and focus on some of the points I'm trying to get across.

As evident of Sunandsail who mocked me because he couldn't understand how I can figure someone out through correspondence and men who can't distinguish a letter written by a scammer or a sincere woman, I decided to share how sincere women who is into a man writes so it may help them. There are already too many guys going to the FSU for women that have little interest in them and if they knew how to read women better, they'd make less mistakes. They also need to understand how sincere women write and they don't write signing a letter off with kisses. They can show an incredible amount of feelings for and interest in a man without the lovey dovey talk.

Other people on the other hand can figure some things about a person through speech or their written word. I know ladies at this forum get public or private compliments from men who's read many of their postings. It's not that they just agree with what a particular woman writes but they feel a connection with the women and even wishing they could have a lady like that.

We can judge a person's sincerity and how much a person is into you based on how a person acts during communications. On the phone if I and the lady I'm visiting speaks at the same time, she will tell me to speak first. I will and then I'll ask her what she was trying to say earlier. She will talk to me as long as I want. It seems she likes to hear my every word for as long as it takes. I'm always the one to end our phone conversations and she thanks me for calling. I've tried to learn if she is emotionally unstable or negative. She never speaks of bad things or speak in anger. I don't think she has a mean bone in her body.

There's a lot more I can say but I'm not about to write 7 months correspondence and describe all phone calls here. Out of many RW based in the FSU, this one satisfied my requirements to give her a visit. She has invested a lot of her time to me. I'm positive she will be a good hostess, take care of me and my money when I'm in Kiev.

I'm not worried that she is a pro dater or green card girl. A lot of guys visiting RW with less info on them are the ones that need to be worried about the strangers they are meeting.

[Jumper]

Billy,
 I admire your frankness..and ability to good naturedly take the shots.


I'll be equally frank,,
I just dont see anything of substance in those posted letters..
That just "me"


additionally
*dearest billyb*  
 isn't *emotionally ramping up* for your visit.

not to "me"

 
granted with 7 months of correspondence and phone
theres a ton we can't see!!

and maybe you have some great conversations , a connection with her , or some truly amazingly mature and indepth letters..

but we can only go off what you've shared!

So, while getting criticized,  realize you hav'nt shared much other than your thoughts on her ,
not her words..
 
and NO i do NOT  expect or want you to share her letters here either,
 its just a point that  we as  readers  have very limited info..

What you HAVE shared  isnt even about age ,, i simply don't see anything worth a visit at his point..add in the age and even much less so .
but i do recognize you have a lot of info not seen here.



as far as letters and age ,

ive had some incredibly detailed and long letters in the past from 18 or 19 yos ;
really amzingly mature and keen insights on life and thier beliefs in how  a relationship should not only be ,but how it should function...


i've also had some  basic ones ,but very insightful ,
 that were just intro letters..
 

but they cover ALL the bases in the letters you posted ,
and were just intro letters,
 understand?

heres an intro letter example .. from awhile ago but  a very very attractive 19yo
(yes there have been far better , i'm not digging back months myself to prove it )
now it could easily be canned spam right ??

 but i just dont see the big diffrence in this letter, from the excerpts  you've  posted of a
*long coorespondent*


***********

Andrey, one word can change our life, one action can say more than thousands of words...I believe in fate and in the same time I belive in miracle! We are building our happines by our own and search for it here. I am one of many lonely people in the world and now, sitting here and writting this letter, I dream to find my second part and may be it is you, who are reading this letter now.  

Love is a long and hard process that is not always pleasent and brings quick results.


We must do very hard to find and to build our great love and strong relationships,


 but when we finally realize that we will never be lonely after finding it-we become totally happy and see the reason of living in this world, full of cruel things that are disappointing us every day.


I have my own views about love, family and relationships and I promise you to tell everything this if you decide to start our communication.


I know that it is not easy to make a choise when you receive thousands of letters from different women and each of them is saying that she is the one and special,


who will make you the happiest man on the Earth...I will not tell you this, because I do not give promises when I am not sure that I will be able to make it real.


I am not saying that I am unique and special girl, but I have my own independent personality.


I will not ask you for big love, great money or increadible words, I just want to ask for trust and understanding.


So, lets give each other a chance and try to know each other better. Maybe, we are two parts of one loving heart...

who can say , but this might be a start

Svetmila (yes i changed the name)

************

 


 can i say anything at all about the teenager that wrote this one ?
no!!
other than they can write  a decently crafted intro letter!
or perhaps seem to have  a pretty level head on thier shoulders.. at first glance.

Now here is the key--
others here  may find it fake ,, or legit or whimsical,,right?
who knows ?
its isnt my point ..

  my point being i just dont see anymore honesty or  depth in the excerpts you posted
as examples of a quality letter  that men *should* be getting and *acting* on.


I do hope you  have 7 months of something of more substance ..


but then again maybe its just  a fun adventure..?.

so be it..

i'm cynical and hard to impress i guess.
add in that ,that no matter how well written it is ,if its a letter  from a teenager,
i'm just not going to  be interested in a relationship.
**************************************************


You post if  the age wasn't 18 ,noone would say  a word,,

Billy to your credit  this is a good point.

I have no idea why i personally have that "view" of where some magical cut off of
*real* adult age is ..
for me anything ending in teen or teenager doesnt cut it ..!!

but since i'd likely have no problem at all if she was 22 or 24 ,
then it's silly on my part..??

and this age bracketing is just a very personal thing.
so i admit my own bias in that is not based on anything substantive, its just how i "feel"  



and  I do sincerely wish you good luck!
 










 

[Patagonie]

SMS60, another member on this board sent me a PM looking for advise.  So I was on EM giving my opinion.  And yes still married but I will always look at beautiful women.  I also think if your going to give opinion on dating agencies you actually go on them once in awhile. 

For the gossips :it's totally true (it's me the pm  ).

[BillyB]

I just dont see anything of substance in those posted letters..
That just "me"


additionally
*dearest billyb*  
 isn't *emotionally ramping up* for your visit.

not to "me"

AJ, I would expect your words coming from SunandSail or a newbie, not you or any other experienced poster.

A RW starting off her letters with “dear” doesn't impress me either. Some women posters frequently refer to other posters as “dear” but it doesn't mean they have feelings for them.

I thought you would understand why I said she wrote “dear Billy” for the first time as it being a big step in this process. Don't focus on the word “dear”, focus on the timing and fact that it's not a frequent word she uses.
 
Timing: She never used the word “dear” , not even when I accepted the invitation to see her. Weeks later after I accepted, I bought the tickets and she started to use the word dear. I assume she realizes this is actually going to happen and each day her feelings grow for me. When a woman chases a man and catches him, she tends to get very happy.

Frequency: She doesn't address all men as “dear”. So with that fact, she doesn't use the words unless she has strong enough emotions for someone. I like the fact she wasn't all into me in the beginning and like normal people, her feelings for another grows over time at a certain pace if everything feels right.

Besides mentioning some correspondence that I though were important, did anybody think the bikini photos she sent me had little importance? Again, think timing and frequency. Timing: She didn't send those bikini pics to me until months after knowing me and I accepted her invitation to see her. Frequency: She doesn't give bikini photos to men on the internet, her body is only to be viewed by the guy she has feelings for.

I will not hold it against women and will write to those who posted bikini photos in their profile for all men to see but I have more admiration for the girls who hold back and save the best photos showing their body for their man.

AJ, there is nothing special about a women who writes me “dear”. That letter you posted is nothing special either. The word “dear” could be canned and the letter you received could be a canned letter every man the woman writes will get. What you and others who are still in the hunt need to look for are the letters that over time that get longer, more detailed, more personal, and basically changes for the better as a woman's feelings for you grows. First day she may write “Hello AJ”, after a few months of letters and calls she may write “Dear AJ”, just before you visit her she may write “My Dearest AJ, and after a visit to her she may write “My Love”. Of course if a woman calls you and every man her love in the first letter, it's nothing special and thus the point you were trying to make to me makes sense.

i'd likely have no problem at all if she was 22 or 24

If you consider a 22 yo RW an adult and would have no problem dating her and since you have 10 years over me, that would mean you could put yourself in a relationship with a larger age gap than I could legally. In an attempt to divert the attention off of me I say "Everyone bash AJ!!!"

[Jumper]

the point you were trying to make to me makes sense.

actually i made the point in my post that us 'readers" couldnt
evaluate such letters- since  you only shared one or two ,,
and no way to see any emotional ramp up or any real content change.

and mentioned that I understood you had 7 months of corrspdondence to go off of ,
 and  HOPED you had seen such changes or something of substance.


my point was:
 to chase after someone of a very young age and the added risks,, 
you hope that something is indeed very special ..
 not simply that shes a good woman, who has the hots for you, or can write a good letter?
as surely there are plenty with those qualities..and less risks

The side point being that if it ramped up in 7 months from "hi" to "dear billy",
 it just isnt a very steep ramp ..
this is not some great  example of what men should expect when they have bought a plane ticket.

perhaps you dont want to share the good content ,and i respect that ,
but to toss out ,, "hey there" to "dearest " because she dint use *dear* all the time?
 

Quote from: AJ on Today at 02:15:39 AM
i'd likely have no problem at all if she was 22 or 24


If you consider a 22 yo RW an adult and would have no problem dating her and since you have 10 years over me, that would mean you could put yourself in a relationship with a larger age gap than I could legally. In an attempt to divert the attention off of me I say "Everyone bash AJ!!!"

well bash away.. lol
but it is not what i said.

in fact earlier i specifically stated it was NOT about your *age gap*
to me and likely many readers ,  it was about her age period.

also my "quoted" words refererd directly to your case,
 which is what we were discussing ?
and do not reflect the ages i would date ?

my intent was to say  that if your girl was 22 or 24 ,i likely would not be responded about the situation..as for me this seems an age of adulthood .. while a teenager or any age
ending in *teen* does not.

so if you were going to see a 24 yo , i wouldnt think much about it ,
but an 18yo i would,,
 and therefore commented!
but of course its your choice and hers.. 


i also made it clear  this view in adult ages,  was just some random view of my own ,
that doesnt make a lot of sense even to me ,, its just how i feel,,
and obviously the legal system considers an 18 yo an adult.

 
 I do not think i have ten years on you billyb? ( perhaps? but i thought you were 39 or 40?)
and I would  not date a 24 yo ..

a 29 yo maybe?  


in any case i do feel there is a great distinction between a teenager and a 24 yo,,
as far as someone to look into for a relationship with intent of marriage.

certainly an argument can be made that *some* 18yo's  are far more mature than a random 24 yo.. ?

so there you have it ?

billyb , you'll chase what you want to chase..
no skin off my nose..
and i wish you luck.

you just cant possibly be surprised that
*manly man * with lots of adult women at his beck and call,
finds the only woman of sincerety,family values,  and depth of correpdondence ,
 that convinces you she would be in it for the long haul,, and  worthy a plane ticket  to visit
 to be a 18yo living in Libya..

given what people can SEE in the posts
( yes only a little bit of the story)

The responses to your situation are quite tame really.

go have fun billy..

 

[Misha]

obviously the legal system considers an 18 yo an adult.

When you are dating a woman young enough that you have to check her passport just to make sure that she is legally an adult, you know that she is too young 

 

i do feel there is a great distinction between a teenager and a 24 yo

The latter will have completed her university degree, will likely have had one serious relationship and will have otherwise gained some life experience.

[Ade]

When you are dating a woman young enough that you have to check her passport just to make sure that she is legally an adult, you know that she is too young 

 
The latter will have completed her university degree, will likely have had one serious relationship and will have otherwise gained some life experience.

In terms of emotional and psychological maturity, there's a huge difference between a 24 year old and an 18 year old, far more in my opinion, than between an 18 and a 12 year old... That a few middle aged men claim to have so much in common with someone so young says far more about their mental state than that of the teenager their are trying to bed (IMO of course).

[ML]

Frequency: She doesn't address all men as “dear”. So with that fact, she doesn't use the words unless she has strong enough emotions for someone.

How do you know this?

Frequency: She doesn't give bikini photos to men on the internet, her body is only to be viewed by the guy she has feelings for.

How do you know this?

/quote]

Billy, not trying to harrass you, but just wondered.

Myself, I would never make these sort of claims you are making.

So, even if a woman claimed this (that she didn't do such and such) it would never impress me one way or the other.  It's just all fluff at this point.

Isn't this all in the realm of and similar to the idea that a woman (or man) can claim they are still a virgin or that they have only had sex with one other person, etc.?
None of it is to be believed, or even be concerned about.

Don't you think it makes you look a little naive (for a man your age) to be posting such claims, even though they are trivial in nature?

[Vinnvinny]

In my experience then anyone who I haven't met who starts their letter with My Dear .. or My Dearest ... has turned about to be 100% scam. I'm sure this isn't the case with Billy's lady but for me its always a red flag.

[vwrw]

Timing: She never used the word “dear” , not even when I accepted the invitation to see her. Weeks later after I accepted, I bought the tickets and she started to use the word dear. I assume she realizes this is actually going to happen and each day her feelings grow for me. When a woman chases a man and catches him, she tends to get very happy.

Frequency: She doesn't address all men as “dear”. So with that fact, she doesn't use the words unless she has strong enough emotions for someone. I like the fact she wasn't all into me in the beginning and like normal people, her feelings for another grows over time at a certain pace if everything feels right.

BillyB, being not a native English speaker, she may have a different understanding of the connotation that the term “dear” bears. I personally learned only on RWD that addressing a person with the term “dear” signifies presence of affection.  Before I became aware of this connotation, I used “dear” to indicate the required respect to my addressee. That is, the kind of respect that has to be given to an addressee if you want to appear as a polite individual to him or her. 

[Gylden]

LOL, I guess Dear is a little better than, To whom it may concern!!
       Or Dear Sir!!

[vwrw]

From Man Looking: “So, even if a woman claimed this (that she didn't do such and such) it would never impress me one way or the other.  It's just all fluff at this point."


Assertion such as “I have not done something with other people that I do with you or for you” usually is formulated with intent to say "you seem special to me”. Such assertion might be an honest description of reality at any point.         

[SANDRO43]

LOL, I guess Dear is a little better than, To whom it may concern!!   Or Dear Sir!!

The ultimate source on forms of address: Debrett's (http://www.debretts.com/forms-of-address/titles.aspx) .

[ML]

Assertion such as “I have not done something with other people that I do with you or for you” usually is formulated with intent to say "you seem special to me”. Such assertion might be an honest description of reality at any point.         

Yes, of course it 'might be.'  But isn't this  just the typical type of stuff that women (and men) might tell each other?  So isn't it all just fluff and not worth believing or at least not telling others about.

For instance, when you see an advertisement on TV saying: The food at our restaurant is the best in town, does it really influence you at all to believe it?

[vwrw]

BillyB, in regard to age of your lady… in my life, I have met some mature 18 y.o  ladies with pleasant personalities, the serous desire to commit to a suitable (in their opinion) partner, and willingness to work hard to maintain the relationship in harmony. So, I believe in existence of mature 18 y.o ladies. If your lady is one of that kind, your relationship with her has reasonable probability of success.  Moreover, I firmly believe that it is better to try and get disappointed than not to try and wonder “what if”. Therefore, I would try to develop relationship with her and see if she is really mature or she only seems such.   

[vwrw]

Yes, of course it 'might be.'  But isn't this  just the typical type of stuff that women (and men) might tell each other?  So isn't it all just fluff and not worth believing or at least not telling others about.

I think such assertion equals to a compliment in its value. Are compliments worth believing (first issue) and telling to others (second issue) in your opinion?

[ML]

I think such assertion equals to a compliment in its value. Are compliments worth believing (first issue) and telling to others (second issue) in your opinion?

Well, suppose when you  were in school and there was some sort of performance; let's say you sang in a choir.

After the performance, your parents said to you:  "you were the best looking girl there and you were the best singer."

Would you really believe this?  And would you tell your school age friends that your parents told you this?

But anyway . . . I am not going to beat this small point to death!!  :-)

I think what BillyB's gal is telling him is in this very same category.

In my own case, just recently I attended a wedding of a nephew.
My mother said to me:  "You were the best looking man there."

I thanked her and kissed her.  But I didn't believe it for a moment, and I certainly didn't repeat her remarks to others.

[vwrw]

Well, the complimentary statements you have brought up as examples are not worth believing and telling to others. They are based on subjective perception, which tends to be biased. However, those examples are only one category of compliments.  Other kinds of compliments also exist.  For example, compliments that are based on comparative analyses and derived through an earnest effort to be objective are trustworthy in my opinion.

Our conclusions about whether statements of BillyB's lady fall into the first or second category or even flattery's category are speculations and worth nothing.

[BillyB]

actually i made the point in my post that us 'readers" couldnt
evaluate such letters- since  you only shared one or two ,,
and no way to see any emotional ramp up or any real content change.

and mentioned that I understood you had 7 months of corrspdondence to go off of ,
 and  HOPED you had seen such changes or something of substance.

For the first 5 months, she communicated with me as friends. The fact she hasn't used the love words shows she not completely out of whack emotionally. There are two reasons this woman will treat me right and not spend my money foolishly when we meet. She considers me a friend and friends take care of each other and she is "into me". She is not the smartest or most beautiful woman I've communicated with or dated but her views of her future family life is similar to mine and she is marriage material. Her behavior and manners in our communications are exceptionally good. I've tried to find problems with her. Can't find them and I haven't seen her angry yet.

 

When you are dating a woman young enough that you have to check her passport just to make sure that she is legally an adult

 

I will be curious to see what a Libyan visa looks like in a Ukrainian passport. I will also check some numbers. Or should I do what some posters suggested earlier and trust a person 100%?

I know I can count on you guys to bail me out of jail for getting involved with a minor but I prefer to do things my way and check out what a Libyan visa and certain numbers looks like.

That a few middle aged men claim to have so much in common with someone so young says far more about their mental state than that of the teenager their are trying to bed (IMO of course).

We've already discussed the fact I have much more life experience than her and she is willing to learn from me. As far as things in common, I still don't even know if she likes to dance, or what her favorite color or music is. I don't discuss the little things in my communications with ladies. I'm more interested if a lady is marriage material and has similar ideas on traveling the same path in life. I don't dance and a lot of RW I've dated don't care. Lack of things in common are not deal breakers.

How do you know this?

I'm pretty sure she is not writing Dear and sending bikini photos to other men for a few reasons. She didn't do it to me until she started to have feelings for me many months later after the first letter. She doesn't do it often and she doesn't do it with just friends. I got her to send photos before she had the hots for me and they were normal photos in respectful clothes. She also rejected the man in my secret profile pretty quick. Without me inquiring, she's been honest with telling me she has another profile. I've communicated with thousands of RW. I know when someone really likes me even if it's done through their written words or if she's just semi interested or when she's faking interest. She's currently into me enough for me to know I can now tell her to remove her profiles and she would do so to make me happy. I'm sure of this.

BillyB, in regard to age of your lady… in my life, I have met some mature 18 y.o  ladies with pleasant personalities, the serous desire to commit to a suitable (in their opinion) partner, and willingness to work hard to maintain the relationship in harmony. So, I believe in existence of mature 18 y.o ladies. If your lady is one of that kind, your relationship with her has reasonable probability of success.

I believe the 18 yo has a very strong desire to make things work with me. She has not been hurt by an unsuccessful relationship but she knows what it is and she doesn't want that in her life. She still has the dream many older ladies and men have lost and that is to marry once and forever and she understands she has to work for it. She is not afraid of the questions I ask of her and she understand she needs to learn to become a better cook among other things in life. Other ladies have been turned off by some of my questions. They probably prefer the men who has no requirements for their future wife and/or the men who promises them the most.

One RW wanted me to visit her very much. I said I need to call her often before I can make a decision. She said one meeting is better than many phone calls and letters. I agreed but I still need to learn if we are even on the same path in life so I need to call her to learn this and I won't visit a woman unless she thinks I'm important enough to give me her number. She told me "Don't tell me your rules". I didn't write her back.

Moreover, I firmly believe that it is better to try and get disappointed than not to try and wonder “what if”.

I will try and I won't be disappointed whatever the results. Some people are thinking I'm throwing myself at this RW and are upset thinking I'm mentally ill. Although I've slowed down dating local RW, I still am dating. People will be upset about that too but I'm not going to put all my eggs in one basket until a RW proves to me that she deserves all my attention. Regardless of what I do, I've learned someone in this forum will be upset. It never fails.

Here's something that may upset some more people. Since I'm going to Kiev, I have written new ladies in Kiev announcing I'm coming. Some didn't respond to my initial letter but others seem excited and given me their phone numbers and I have called them. I'm not naive to believe the excited ones actually are "into me". They are partially motivated by the fact I'm coming to Kiev and willing to go on a date with me. We have not built up any prior correspondence or feelings for each other. I would not be seeing them otherwise if I wasn't going to Kiev because none of them has given me the quality correspondence or attention I require for me make a decision to visit them. If my assessment of the 18 yo is correct and she gives me full attention and be a great hostess going out of her way to please me, I will not be visiting any lady but her in Kiev. If I feel something is wrong with the 18 yo or she feels something is wrong with me, I'm a phone call away from dating another lady. In a month from now, I'll be back and write a trip report.

Therefore, I would try to develop relationship with her and see if she is really mature or she only seems such.

 

I don't expect to see her being a fully matured person. She's told me she has some growing up to do. She's told me I will have to teach her about life. I'm willing to accept that role. We are both satisfied of our responses to each other.

[felix8787]

She is not the smartest or most beautiful woman I've communicated with or dated but her views of her future family life is similar to mine and she is marriage material.

Of course she is, she is submissive and your the controller, what better match can you have.

   I know I can count on you guys to bail me out of jail for getting involved with a minor (no, not me)but I prefer to do things my way and check out what a Libyan visa and certain numbers looks like.

Google it, I'm sure there is a pic floating out there in the web. What certain numbers are you talking about? 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0? Are they different then alpha numberic? Are they some alien numbers that the american government is not aware of?

We've already discussed the fact I have much more life experience than her and she is willing to learn from me. DDDUUHHH, she is 18 years old and your what? 40 or something like that!

 I'm more interested if a lady is marriage material and has similar ideas on traveling the same path in life. What path is that? Do as I say cause I'm older then you with more life experience?


I'm pretty sure she is not writing Dear and sending bikini photos to other men for a few reasons. She didn't do it to me until she started to have feelings for me many months later after the first letter. She doesn't do it often and she doesn't do it with just friends. How do you know? You got big brother watching her?

I got her to send photos before she had the hots for me and they were normal photos in respectful clothes. Hook

She also rejected the man in my secret profile pretty quick.Didn't the secret you started asking her silly and rude questions? If thats the case why should she put up with writing that person back, so that doesn't make sense at all.

Without me inquiring, she's been honest with telling me she has another profile.Line
I've communicated with thousands of RW. I know when someone really likes me even if it's done through their written words or if she's just semi interested or when she's faking interest. She's currently into me enough for me to know I can now tell her to remove her profiles and she would do so to make me happy. I'm sure of this. Sinker


I believe the 18 yo has a very strong desire to make things work with me. She has not been hurt by an unsuccessful relationshipAnd what kind of relationships would she have pre_billyb? HS crushes at best with nothing remotely close to marriage to a middel aged man.

Other ladies have been turned off by some of my questions.Of course billy, they can probably see through the passive aggressiveness controlling factor of your questions. Why should 2 egos bash when it's best to have one that is submissive, right?

They probably prefer the men who has no requirements for their future wife and/or the men who promises them the most. Or someone that will treat them as an equal

One RW wanted me to visit her very much. I said I need to call her often before I can make a decision. She said one meeting is better than many phone calls and letters. I agreed but I still need to learn if we are even on the same path in life so I need to call her to learn this and I won't visit a woman unless she thinks I'm important enough to give me her number. She told me "Don't tell me your rules". I didn't write her back.Again, 2 egos bashing, she is not submissive, so thats a NOvember GOlf!!!


I will try and I won't be disappointed whatever the results. Some people are thinking I'm throwing myself at this RW and are upset thinking I'm mentally ill. Although I've slowed down dating local RW, I still am dating. People will be upset about that too but I'm not going to put all my eggs in one basket until a RW proves to me that she deserves all my attention. Regardless of what I do, I've learned someone in this forum will be upset. It never fails.Not at all, thanks for the great entertainment!!


I don't expect to see her being a fully matured person.Again DDDUHHH she just got done with puberty!!! D

She's told me she has some growing up to do. She's told me I will have to teach her about life. I'm willing to accept that role.I bet you can't just wait!! We are both satisfied of our responses to each other.Double sinker!!

Oh hum, while in the passenger seat of my battles jeep, this is the outcome to pass the time on the drive home LOL.

[BC]

Lets face it, Billy has fallen in love with his penpal.  Denial is futile.

Justification by verbosity.. I don't buy it but will give them the benefit of doubt until they meet.

[JR]

What happened to the two live-ins?

[Jumper]

What happened to the two live-ins?

They lived-in, elsewhere, with lesser quality men..


(billy can't hit them ALL out of the park, got to leave a few for us JR?)

[facetrock]

  Billy, you and me have been around here along time and I respect most of your advice and opinions. But man alive 18 is young!!!
I remember when my oldest daughter was 18. She is a far different person now that she is almost 24. What was important to her when she was eighteen was her high school boyfriend who she claimed was the love of her life and I was informed there would be wedding bells before she gradutated from college. Uh huh. The boyfriend is a distant memory now.
  I dont care if she acts mature or whatever. She is still just a kid and has no idea what she really wants.

  Decades ago it was common for people to marry young and actually stay married forever. In this day and age with the thousands of choices in life for 18 year olds its very uncommon. Its even more uncommon for a marriage to last between two young people who marry under 25. What are the odds of an 18 year old and a 40 year old staying together for the long run? Slim and none and deep down inside you know it.

 Let her go to college. Let her party and have a few meaningless romances with guys her own age. Let her learn about life on her own like everyone else does. Let her make mistakes. Its the mistakes that we make that define who we are and usually make us stronger and smarter. Its life experience that we all crave and need to grow as a person. Having an old guy(and to her you are an old guy) telling her not to do this or that wont help her. It will hurt her.

You can try to rationalize here why it will work all you want. But the truth remains your middle aged and she is still a girl with no life experience. Not a good combination.

So c'mon Billy, be a real man. Let her go.