Life Changes...Part Deux

[TomT]

I think it would be fantastic to have her join in on this conversation.

It would take this thread to the next level.

Then maybe he could get Mom and Papa to join in subsequent seasons......

I await "Life Changes...Part Trois" with bated breath.

[Boethius]

Boethius, I'm not going to argue with your point of view about so called gold diggers - you have a point here. At all times there was such type of girls (and boys), who are called gold diggers, who would marry somebody in order then to get a part of an apartment in Kiev or a part of money of their husband, US residence or something like that. But all the information about this "propiska" digging sounds somehow weird.
First of all, propiska - or, for our out-of-topic-members - registered place of living, can be in ANY city of Ukraine, and at the same time you can live in another place. If you don't have propiska - it dosen't mean you can't live in Kiev - may be you mix it up with Moscow.
Second, people don't work to earn propiska. Because they don't need it and they can't earn it. In Soviet times, when there was no private property, and all the flats were "given" by the government, people swept streets, because janitors were given separate flats to live in, and other jobs were mostly given rooms in dorms. Nowadays, when a person can rent a flat, and janitors aren't given anything, it's not actual.
So you point is actually reasonable and understandable, but you don't get the "propiska" matter quite right, so the examples sound weird for an inhabitant of Ukraine

Go back and reread.  I was talking about the "bad old days" of the USSR.  You will note in my explanation at the top of this page, that I referred to "Soviet cities".  In mies' excellent explanation (better than mine), she also pointed out propiskas no longer exist.  I was aware of that.

The point was about the methods, which still exist.  Only the goal has changed.

[BillyB]

I'm glad there's nobody in an uproar disputing that A loves me anymore. I understand it's hard to remember that a few months ago A could tell other people she loves me but in the post right before I said A never told me she loves me, I said I'm always the first person to end the conversation on the phone. Based off the amount of times I said I call A since I got her phone number, I would have called her hundreds of times already. If your woman never hangs up the phone on you first, what does that tell you of her behavior? She's dedicated, respects you, and in love with you. If at this moment I asked A if she loves me, she would ask me "Are you stupid?" and a relationship can go down hill from there once a lady questions her man's intelligence. If you guys don't get a clue on how women behave and what their behavior means, you will continue to be lonely or in for a rough ride in any relationship when your woman decides she needs to be the man in the house.

I'm going to continue to talk about A's behavior and character in future posts. Don't mistake my praise of her as defensive verbosity and you won't make the mistake how much the A actually loves me. By the time I get done here, most men would be envious and could hope to find a woman that is as loyal, dedicated, and as in love as A is to me.

Finding a woman or girl that will marry you is the easiest part.

You heard it here first. Any of you Western man can get a woman of A's quality, physically and mentally, to marry you easily. What's the hard part then? To get a woman's phone number or a date?

The truth is most men who go to the FSU with the intention of marrying come up empty handed. A guy would have to go through an average of 20 women before he finds a good match of a woman to marry.

I do think this is an exploitative relationship

I am judging your actions, which are off my charts of acceptable moral behaviour.

Since me, A and mom are all part of this relationship you don't approve of, I better understand why you don't think we can do anything right since we're all immoral.

My husband made no judgment about you.  I said he would view anyone who committed adultery, is addicted to alcohol, drugs, etc., as weak.  Then again, when I've read some of your posts to him, he has responded that these are the posts of a woman, not a man.  He assumes the poster here is pulling everyone's leg.

Tell your husband to grow some balls and come here himself to say what he's got to say instead of saying it behind his wife. When some people can't win, they try to invalidate the other person's words by saying it's all untrue. But what if everything I'm saying is true? Can we debate this thread based on truth? Is there anyone at this forum capable of dating some of the finest RW, physically and mentally that are listed at dating and marriage sites? Those women have to be dating and marrying someone so why not me?

Earlier I mentioned anybody can have the truth and they still can but if they want me to submit proof, it's going to cost money for my time and the money will be used for feeding hungry RW. For the small cost of a cup of coffee and a steak and lobster dinner everyday for the next year, I will submit emails and phone records and someone can verify those emails IP address are from Libya and my calls are to there. Not only can we solve this mystery, we can help end hunger among RW.

to take more time
to solidify your relationship.

 Rushing this, even slightly , under the specific circumstances, makes it appear  bizarre.

AJ, I thought I made it clear earlier of the path A and I I'm taking but it seems I have to repeat myself over and over. By the time A comes to America after our k-1 is finished, it would have been almost 2 years since I've first contacted her. There comes a point if you don't get the job done fast enough to be together with a woman, the woman will leave. Wasting years of your and a woman's life would be a bizarre thing to do.

to me this story looks way too bizarre

Bizarre? Doesn't every man here have a beautiful RW from a far away strange land or at least pursuing one? Every RW has a bizarre story behind them too if that's what you want to call it. What's your story?

how insecure does one have to be to make a comment like this? Not factoring in all the other comments along this line. For all the confidence you try to exhibit, don't you ever consider what your words convey? Come on now.

Chivo, a RW, Smile_too, asked me some important sexual questions in a respectable manner and I answered those questions the best way possible without giving my own opinion about myself by mentioning what other ladies thought. Most RW still value a man's physical abilities throughout a relationship. They are so important that some are asking these important questions right here online. The question is not only for me but for every man reading and they have some idea if they are or aren't pleasing their present or past ladies and if there is a problem, it needs to be address instead of dismissed.

Was it before you married your previous UW??? During that time?  After that marriage failed?  Was it when you were with your previous fiance??? Was it when she felt unable to marry you and come to the states?

Ouch! Kuna, you really know how to hurt people. I would hate to be one of the ex's in your failed relationships. I could imagine the shouting matches that would happen before and during a breakup.

How many guys here never been in a "failed" relationship? Is anyone still a virgin?

With the 2 women you spoke about Kuna, I said the final goodbye. I say the final goodbye to most women in my life although statistics show women do most of the "goodbyes". Although I have said goodbye to many women, I don't do it out of anger and can remain friends with most of them.

A 57 year old looking for a 31 year old.  That is a bigger age gap than Billy...

Thanks for bringing that up JDG. Erudite criticizes and yet he's willing to enter into a relationship with a 26 year age gap which is larger than mine. He'd probably enter into a delusional relationship with a bigger age gap than he's willing to admit here. Most of my critics in this thread has or have been or willing to be in bigger age gaps than I. Bizarre. We are all certainly learning something about each other here.

BillyB - the story becomes somewhat stretched up. I used to read it with a great interest, but for the past month or even longer your plot has been dawdling at one place. It's getting kinda boring - each post is about another phone call. The story definitely needs some fresh info.

Some people enjoy or get overly excited hearing my adventure with A while others enjoy the time when I was dating other women. I like to please RW and tonight Nat, I'm going to please you....by talking about other women instead of A. The other women aren't entirely out of my life at this time. 3 RW have phoned me in the last month.

RW #1 calls me up and needs help to move out of her apartment. She said she may not meet the deadline for moving out if I don't help and there is nobody else to help. I used to date her and feeling sorry for her I came over and helped her move out. She told me she was having a moving truck come in a few days to get the bigger things. I wondered silently why she wanted me to come over for the little things if there is a moving truck scheduled. She just broke up with her boyfriend and I assume I was the man she was thinking about getting together with. After helping her move she told me she wanted to see me more on a regular basis.

I didn't want to get back together with her because she was never "wife material". Some of you may remember this woman as I talked about her before. Last year after she realized a relationship wasn't going to happen with me, she went to plan B and said she needed financial help for college and was willing to trade intimacy for money. That confirmed my thoughts she isn't "wife material".

RW #2 calls up and wishes me happy holidays. She is the one that left for Russia because USA sucks but now she's back. She wanted serious relations with me but I told her we're not compatible but she still calls. I'll meet her for coffee soon but it won't get physical.

RW #3 calls and continues to be a good friend. I meet with her occasionally at a restaurant for dinner and she tells me some interesting things about men who contact her. She has the funniest responses to them. I've posted some of her conversations with men earlier and here's another she recently told me after a RM contacted her.

RM: Hello from a millionare

RW: Hello from a future millionare!

RM: What are your plans to becoming a millionare?

RW: I'm going to marry you!

[Boethius]

Billy, nobody is in an uproar about whether or not A loves you.  I don't think anyone really, truly cares.   Those who have posted just did so in response to your assertions.  

Most men who post here don't come away without a relationship.  In fact, most of the men here have taken more steps toward commitment than have you.

Tell your husband to grow some balls and come here himself to say what he's got to say instead of saying it behind his wife.

Sorry, he finds the notion of posting on internet boards bizarre.  He only answers to indulge me.  If I never read a post to him again, he would not miss it one bit.  I did not refer to you specifically, I asked him if he thought middle aged men chasing teens is a weakness.  He just answered affirmatively.  I doubt he even knew I was posting it here.  I also know he would not view a weak man (i.e. one chasing school girls) as much of a man, so your “challenge”, so to speak, would fall on deaf ears.  Furthermore, you are the one who keeps bringing him, and my daughter, up.  I never mention any of this to my daughter, as I do not think she should be exposed to this dirt.

When some people can't win, they try to invalidate the other person's words by saying it's all untrue. But what if everything I'm saying is true? Can we debate this thread based on truth? Is there anyone at this forum capable of dating some of the finest RW, physically and mentally that are listed at dating and marriage sites? Those women have to be dating and marrying someone so why not me?

Well gee, Billy.  You know, NAMBLA makes the same argument about relationships with pre pubescent boys.  Pedophiles often argue that the 10 to 14 year old girls they procure in Thailand, Cambodia, Cuba, etc., are “more woman than any woman” they have ever been with and obviously have experience.  Someone is always going to steal.  Someone is always going to drive drunk.  Maybe everything should just be allowed for those too weak to have their own moral compass.  I mean, come on, is that really the best justification you can come up with?  I will not even get into the complete lack of respect for this particular child.

I am not going to get into suppositions about what is or is not true.  The ultimate test is one of your character, and you are failing more with each post.

[Nat]

Some people enjoy or get overly excited hearing my adventure with A while others enjoy the time when I was dating other women. I like to please RW and tonight Nat, I'm going to please you....by talking about other women instead of A.

Actually, that's not what I had in mind. I meant, has there been any development in relationship with A for the past time except for talking on the phone with her?

[I/O]

Those women have to be dating and marrying someone so why not me?

LOL, I doubt RWD has enough bandwidth to answer this question completely.

[Ade]

Based off the amount of times I said I call A since I got her phone number, I would have called her hundreds of times already. If your woman never hangs up the phone on you first, what does that tell you of her behavior? She's dedicated, respects you, and in love with you.

My wife tells me she was taught that it's impolite to be the first to hang up the phone if you weren't the one initiating the call; maybe this is just something taught to children in her locality but it just goes to show that local customs can lead to misunderstandings and you should be very careful about assuming anything.

[Faux Pas]

AJ, I thought I made it clear earlier of the path A and I I'm taking but it seems I have to repeat myself over and over. By the time A comes to America after our k-1 is finished, it would have been almost 2 years since I've first contacted her. There comes a point if you don't get the job done fast enough to be together with a woman, the woman will leave. Wasting years of your and a woman's life would be a bizarre thing to do.

Billy, now it seems your justifications are in the same vein a crackhead would use to describe why they use. By your own admissions and descriptions in this thread you are a One Week Wonder with a 17 year old girl and you've filled your own head with fantasy and bravado to justify it to yourself and attempt to justify it to the forum. I suspect you hope with your heart of hearts that someone other than a few "drive by posters" will lend some credence to your fantasies. It does speak volumes of your own mindset. You have thrown all conventional wisdom and logic completely out the equation. You are either attempting to play some games with the board or you have really lost it and seriously digressed in your own maturity level. Either scenario isn't going to fare well for you.

Bizarre? Doesn't every man here have a beautiful RW from a far away strange land or at least pursuing one? Every RW has a bizarre story behind them too if that's what you want to call it. What's your story?

No Billy, YOUR story is bizarre. But, not at all unlike similar stories we have all read before. Most of our stories are not bizarre to each other, although very strange to those not in this pursuit. Your story on the other hand is bizarre even to us.

Chivo, a RW, Smile_too, asked me some important sexual questions in a respectable manner and I answered those questions the best way possible without giving my own opinion about myself by mentioning what other ladies thought. Most RW still value a man's physical abilities throughout a relationship. They are so important that some are asking these important questions right here online. The question is not only for me but for every man reading and they have some idea if they are or aren't pleasing their present or past ladies and if there is a problem, it needs to be address instead of dismissed.

I think we all know and understand the degree you believe in your own sexual prowess. You are a legend in your own mind. I suppose this can be attributed to you thinking like a 17 year old. People have been having sex and pleasing their partners for thousands of years Billy. It's highly unlikely you have discovered the holy grail of sex. Personally, I don't think anyone is as good as I am at pleasing my sexual partners but, the same could be said for most of the population.

This whole transformation of Billy is really, really bizarre. It's almost as if you've just discovered your "winky" is used for more that just peeing with.  

Thanks for bringing that up JDG. Erudite criticizes and yet he's willing to enter into a relationship with a 26 year age gap which is larger than mine. He'd probably enter into a delusional relationship with a bigger age gap than he's willing to admit here. Most of my critics in this thread has or have been or willing to be in bigger age gaps than I. Bizarre. We are all certainly learning something about each other here.

Their is a significant difference of a 26 year age gap with a 17 year old girl and a 31 year old woman. Largely the difference of woman/girl.

You keep alluding to this union with a 17 year old being blessed and encouraged by the mother. That alone should be the biggest red flag for you to RUN. One could only surmise something is afoot. If the girl is as smart as you proclaim, she is likely greasing you up for the best or the worst you have ever had. Her and momma have slipped a set of blinders on you that won't come off until it's too late. If the girl isn't as smart as you give her credit for and following momma's instructions, the end result isn't good for you either.





Bizarre

[Kuna]

Billy,

I really do feel sorry for you that so many wise and experienced people are giving you a hard time.

If all this does work out for you I'm sure you'll take great delight in taking your beautiful girl to dine in a lovely restaurant and you can share a bottle of wine while laughing at all the disbelievers... when she turns of legal age to drink that is.




I have a question for the AM who have been through the K-1 process.

Would your immigration officials really believe this is a legitimate relationship or are they going to spot it for a farce?

I mean,  Billy is not a particularly handsome man, He's not tall or sophisticated,  and from what he has posted he isn't wealthy.  There's a vast age gap and they don't look like a "likely couple" in their photos.

Pointing to a 2 yr email and phone relationship with a very short (and chaperoned) amount of face to face time doesn't really indicate a high probability that this is a genuine and lasting union.

If they question Billy on how they met and how they fell in love,  I wonder what he will say? Will he justify the relationship on his extraordinary power over women, his mindboggling sexual prowess, and his obvious ability to seduce schoolgirls and convince their mothers that his intentions are honourable?

What's the chances that someone in your immigration dept is going to feel their skin crawl like most people in here, and do they have an obligation to protect the child,  and to be honest,  the US citizen who is odds-on to be spending the best days of his marriage making mule sounds?

Someone said to me once that the immigration rules in Australia are there as much to protect citizens as they are there to control improper entries... in this case I think Billy needs protection from his own fantasies.

[BC]

Well a link to RWD should be on every Consular Officer's desktop..    

I don't think they will have much problem with the K1 process.  As to the interview who knows.. maybe the very perceptive/intelligent CO that handled TG's first fiancee's interview (and seemed to give a good warning) will be around then.

Some of the documentation might present hurdles since different countries are involved and probably a bunch of stamps and visa's in her passport that may or may not match up with the docs submitted. Then again maybe not since police certificates are only needed for countries she resided in since 16 and employment history is zero IIRC.

So no, 90% chance they'll fly through the process barring any admin hiccups..  Unless TG's pal gets picked to do the interview.  

CO:  "How did Billy propose marriage?"..
A: "He sent me that long form in the mail to sign."..

The real shocker will be that Mom likely won't be invited to the interview, or brusquely excluded if she tries to squeeze in the door.

I really think it's a done deed.  Billy has so many opponents here he simply has no alternative but to prove them wrong at all cost.  That's the Manly Man's way!

BTW, We did not do a K1 but the requirements are basically the same all over the planet.

[TomT]

Would your immigration officials really believe this is a legitimate relationship or are they going to spot it for a farce?

I mean,  Billy is not a particularly handsome man, He's not tall or sophisticated,  and from what he has posted he isn't wealthy.  There's a vast age gap and they don't look like a "likely couple" in their photos.

The consular officer is more concerned with accuracy and completeness in the filling of documents than anything else. He will probably have some cognitive dissonance when he glances at the photos of the happy couple, but it's not within his purview to judge visual credibility.

[GoodOlBoy]

The consular officer........some cognitive dissonance when he glances at the photos of the happy couple,

Mental conflict??......man that is an understatement.

She looks like his stepdaughter.
From what little you can see of the mother....she looks more believable (wife material).

GOB

[TomT]

If your woman never hangs up the phone on you first, what does that tell you of her behavior?

You screwed up the rhetorical question. You meant: "...what does that tell you of her internal qualities?"

The answer: it tells you nothing.

[TomT]

Billy quoth:

"Thanks for bringing that up JDG. Erudite criticizes and yet he's willing to enter into a relationship with a 26 year age gap which is larger than mine. He'd probably enter into a delusional relationship with a bigger age gap than he's willing to admit here. Most of my critics in this thread has or have been or willing to be in bigger age gaps than I. Bizarre. We are all certainly learning something about each other here."

Don't worry about Erudite; he is no less gifted than his moniker suggests. I'm sure that he knows what he is doing and that he produces some brilliant children.

[GQBlues]

So no, 90% chance they'll fly through the process barring any admin hiccups..  Unless TG's pal gets picked to do the interview.  

TG won't be nearly as high profile as Mike & Olga Conroy. Not saying BillyB is in the same suit but the point is, age disparity means nothing to the COs.

Especially not in the age of Hefner's era. The CO may well be a steady Playboy subscriber, which may actually earn BillyB a gratuitous attaboy.

On the flip side to all of these - how do we know BillyB won't be the very best thing to happen to Annechka?

[Blues Fairy]

That's the Manly Man's way!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpGVsiS7bBw&feature=related[/youtube]

[Kuna]

The consular officer is more concerned with accuracy and completeness in the filling of documents than anything else. He will probably have some cognitive dissonance when he glances at the photos of the happy couple, but it's not within his purview to judge visual credibility.

Certainly in Australia the process of granting the prospective marriage visa (equivalent to the K1) is to assess the relationship as being genuine,  or not.  They specifically want to see correspondence,  shared assets (if available), time together (frequency and duration), family and friend's recognition of the relationship, shared knowledge, goals, etc.

The average processing time in the Moscow Embassy was 5 months for a Ukrainian,  apparently longer for a Russian. The say they don't vary the speed of the application on individual circumstances but based on the documents we presented,  and a few differentiating features of our relationship, we were shocked when my wife's visa was processed and approved in two and a half weeks.

I should hope foreign embassies are protecting citizens AND applicants from fraudulent or unhealthy unions.

I am genuinely concerned for Billy - AND his girl.  Reading this thread suggests to me that Billy is having some sort of unusual emotional event (Hey, it could be love)...  and I hope for his sake (and hers) he is not letting the fantasy obscure obvious cautionary signs.

[Jumper]

 GQ has a point ,, we don't know that he wouldn't be the best thing that happened to her.
 You just never know, ..

The biggest concern seems to be her age..or the age disparity,, and i was hit by this today..
a guy a knew

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/articles/schilling-103437-bonnie-yuba.html

The point here is a i never thought i thing about her being 29 years Ron's junior, or the  young age of his children.(7 and 12) until this occurred.I doubt few did,, a perfectly normal loving family where ages dint stand out or seem relevant at all.(and yes that's a domestic marriage)


Billy i do have to say I don't think i've ever  met anyone that would agree to marry me in one week..
If i would ask, they'd just think i was crazy! lol
 So you must be one charming dude.
  I have met women that would somehow KNOW we were to be together, and that i was who  they fully  planned to marry in that short of time though..so anything is possible.
 

The concern in billys case to me seems more her age ,not the age gap itself ,that she hasn't life experience yet,,
and that they had such a very short time together.
He can address one of those factors,and i'd think with the added risks involved he would want to.
I don't buy the shortcuts because of her location.There are ways they could meet ,t and he could  see her
 somewhere  while the k1 process is ongoing.
While two trips sure isn't many, it's  twice as much time together as one trip..maybe even without mom. duh.
Either way ultimately it's his ,and her choice,
but of course generated the normal speculation,warnings,attacks,  or well wishes.





 




 

[dbneeley]

Billy i do have to say I don't think i've ever  met anyone that would agree to marry me in one week..
If i would ask, they'd just think i was crazy! lol

I didn't think I'd ever meet one who'd agree that fast, either--or, for that matter, that I could possibly ask that fast.

Until it happened to me.

The lady in question is presently getting things ready to go to work early tomorrow morning.

David

[mies]

Bizarre? Doesn't every man here have a beautiful RW from a far away strange land or at least pursuing one? Every RW has a bizarre story behind them too if that's what you want to call it. What's your story?

Billy - in my story - there is absolutely nothing bizarre nor unusual. And I told it previously on this board. Also my land is not strange. I have no idea what kind of "far away strange land" you are talking about. Aliens are coming? Already? Wait, i'll get my popcorn. 

[Anotherkiwi]

Billy - in my story - there is absolutely nothing bizarre nor unusual. And I told it previously on this board. Also my land is not strange. I have no idea what kind of "far away strange land" you are talking about. Aliens are coming? Already? Wait, i'll get my popcorn. 

Believe me, Mies, your land is definitely strange to a westerner, but in the sense of "different."  As for distance - if I have to travel for two days to reach my destination, by very fast aeroplane, then it is definitely "far away"!  That's all fine by me - I love your far away strange land!

[mies]

Just today I was watching video about kiwi bird right after watching the video about Tasmanian Devil.. awww....so cute
both the bird and the marsupial..
 

[I/O]

Just today I was watching video about kiwi bird right after watching the video about Tasmanian Devil.. awww....so cute both the bird and the marsupial..

Lol, clever..!!

[Anotherkiwi]

Just today I was watching video about kiwi bird right after watching the video about Tasmanian Devil.. awww....so cute
both the bird and the marsupial..

Mies, if you think the Tasmanian Devil is "cute" you'll be in for a shock when you meet one!  Try to cuddle it and you'll find out the true origin of "biting the hand that feeds!"

[mies]

Mies, if you think the Tasmanian Devil is "cute" you'll be in for a shock when you meet one!  Try to cuddle it and you'll find out the true origin of "biting the hand that feeds!"

i know they have very strong bite, but they are still awesomely cute

have you seen them live?  i wish i had..