Life Changes...Part Deux

[Jumper]

I seriously doubt posters  e-feelings are hurt?
Some will bother to post their thoughts ,others wont even bother.
That's far closer to reality than your current delusions on the motivations of others

AJ, recognize things for what they are and women will find your mind sexy. Stupid will get you in trouble.

well billy, how i see it?
stupid is as stupid does.

Do you really believe I'm only targeting very young women? Do you really believe some people are pissed at me for marrying an 18 yo even after BC got a free pass for what he would consider with an 18 yo? My critics aren't angry at me for those reasons.

no i don't think anyone is actually pissed off at all..nor do i think their e-feelings are truly hurt.
 In fact you quoted me as saying exactly that?

Only Boethius is truly upset I'm marrying an 18 yo woman because she thinks it's immoral and thus all parties involved including A and mom are immoral. I got more respect for Boethius for saying that than the other jokers that haven't got the guts to blame a woman for anything. If a guy has to scream 50 times that he doesn't approve what I'm doing, what I'm doing isn't what is bother him, it's me that's bothering him.

That's your perspective.
In my case I don't care what you, or A,  do either way.In fact i do wish you both the best.
Your words or actions don't actually bother me? nor do "A's"? you're an adult, so is she.
Since you posted this in the context of helping others..and it's  a forum for such advise.
Some of your common sense thoughts  i agree with ,some other thoughts I don't.
The ones i do are generally so common sense i don't feel the need to restate them, or agree.
The words or actions that  i don't , I state my differing view.You counter with your points , i sometimes counter with mine.The nature of a forum.
You state your primary motivation in posting ,is to help some readers, so is mine.
 To read anything further into my motivation is again, silly at best.
I have the time to participate here now ,and it's entertaining , other times i don't have the time.

Soon I simply won't have time to post much, a busy time of the year starts for me.
Yet your situation is interesting and i'll probably read up on it over time. i may even comment .
with best wishes, condolences, or even differing advise if you throw something out there that  I don't agree with. Go figure.

Wake up AJ. I think it's about time to make another call for the men around here to MAN UP.

That's the second or third time you've told me to *wake up*
It seems a curious expression to use billy, and it's condescending.

 The men around here often call it like they see it,I may or may not agree with their, or your,  individual takes on things,
but most are married, and as defined in this forum have more stable and successful real world relationship than you or I currently have.
So you now making groundless assumptions on the quality of their relationships based on them not agreeing with your thoughts or behaviors 100% of the time, seems silly.

The pot shots taken at you, frankly in western society  are to be expected.
If you dated a local 18yo , you'd get much the same.
Common public opinion would be she is far too young for you, and lacks enough maturity and life experience for  the commitment of marriage.You would also likely be seen as taking advantage of her naivete. That's simply domestically, with no MOB sitgma attached yet.
 
Now public opinion could quite certainly be dead wrong!!
it often is.

I certainly don't sweat public opinion, and neither do you billy..


I wish you luck in continuing to build your relationship.

[JR]

You sick Bastid

So now we're calling Billy sick for pursueing a lady his own age???

[JR]

Hey, you knew that couldn't be true, even as you were typing it!  :-)

First and foremost . . . no school can give a student a visa ; whether in 2 days or in 2 years.

All any school can do is give the student a Form I-20 which the student then takes to US embassy in home country to START the process for a student visa.  Even the interveiw times are scheduled 2-4 weeks or farther into the future.

And it isn't even easy or quick to get I-20.  Can take several months to get all the school applications submitted, recommendations, transcripts from prior high schools, universities certified, translated into English notarized, get the financial proof in proper order, certified, notarized, etc.

Ever been to the FSU? All I can do is tell the story as it was related to me. If enough money goes under the table, mountains can be moved. And this woman had the money to do it. I have no legitimate reason to doubt her.

I was talking to K today about such things and she related that while living with an American expat who had a good friend at the US embassy here in Sbp. she got a visa without even showing up to the interview....

[erudite]

Ever been to the FSU? All I can do is tell the story as it was related to me. If enough money goes under the table, mountains can be moved. And this woman had the money to do it. I have no legitimate reason to doubt her.

I was talking to K today about such things and she related that while living with an American expat who had a good friend at the US embassy here in Sbp. she got a visa without even showing up to the interview....

It's not that much different in the USA, just more camouflaged.  It is not what you know, how good looking you are or anything else but "who you know and who you blow" with money or otherwise.

[ML]

Ever been to the FSU? All I can do is tell the story as it was related to me. If enough money goes under the table, mountains can be moved. And this woman had the money to do it. I have no legitimate reason to doubt her.

I was talking to K today about such things and she related that while living with an American expat who had a good friend at the US embassy here in Sbp. she got a visa without even showing up to the interview....

"Ever been to the FSU?"  Only about 30 times; still getting my feet wet.

Let's keep story straight here JR.

You said:  "She signed up with and English language school here in California, paid the fees and they had her a student visa in two days."

So what has this to do with the FSU?  You said the California school got her the visa.  Can't happen as I explained.

[BillyB]

Hi Bill, I hope everything works out for you and your lady. I'm glad she is back home safe with her mother. I see you have extensive experience with FSU women. Where did you meet them, online or in your hometown?

Thanks Partizan. I've dated more FSU women in the States than in the FSU. I met the local ladies at Singles.ru which is part of the Mamba network and the ladies I've dated overseas were mostly found at Bride.ru

The ladies at Bride.ru is open to finding a long distance relationship with a foreign man. The ladies at Mamba are normally looking for local boys within their culture so it's a bit harder finding an FSU woman there willing to relocate. If you live in or next to a major US or European city, you should find a decent amount of FSU women to date. Be careful though. Some of those ladies will be married. They may tell you a story how bad their FSU or Western man is so you'll feel sorry for them. They may be trying to jump into a relationship with you before divorcing their husband or they may want to stay in their marriage and just trying to get you into their bed to spice up their unfulfilled sex life.

I haven't read your posts and don't know where you are with being in a relationship or searching but if you're searching, communicate with lots of ladies especially if you're just broke up out of a long relationship because you will be rusty. Learn how to talk to the ladies. Learn what their needs are and what pleases them. If you understand and adapt, you will be a pleasant guy for the ladies to communicate with. A lot of what I say and how I say it, in this thread, I have learned from RW. In my last post I mentioned many RW have said only 10% of the men are marriage material. So far no RW is disputing it. Many men are approaching women on the internet but women still have a hard time finding a quality man. If you can get yourself in the top 10%, you will have your choice of many ladies. They will be excited to connect with you.  All you would need to do then is to choose wisely.

Thanks for your post. Not only were you sincere in wishing A is safe, you are not affected by what I've written. There is no reason for anyone to be affected by what I've written yet is seems many men and RW have thicker skin than some men who have their panties all bunched up. There's no reason for anyone to feel threatened or insecure.

Billy, I don't keep up with every post.  I have one observation and perhaps it has been discussed before. It seems that your attraction towards the daughter is mostly physical stimulation, and the mother completes  the relationship by providing the mental stimulation missing with the daughter.

Nobody discussed it before because there's nothing to discuss. You should keep up with the posts here Gator. You are missing important plot points! People have talked about A's beauty more than I. Men who date beautiful women can relate to what I'm about to say. A woman's beauty isn't so important when there's another around the corner he could easily have. When a guy has many beautiful women to choose from, he can actually focus on a woman's inner beauty.  Read more and you will find much of what I write is about A's fine qualities, not her beauty, and you'll begin to understand why men wish they could have some of what I'm having out of a woman.

Could you have a fulfilling, enduring relationship with just the daughter?

My lady's 22-yo daughter is staying with me.  She is a  beauty and remarkably voluptuous (and literally is harassed every day at her university).  She knows more English than her mother, yet my discussions with mama are 10x more interesting.  Yes, some of this is personality.  Yet, most of it is because the daughter is still a kid.  And she is 22, not 18.

I speak to A everyday from a few minutes to a few hours. I speak to mom a few minutes once every couple of weeks. As long as a woman isn't talking about herself all the time, the disco, drugs, clothes, or bad about other people, I can get along with them no matter what their age.

I can have certain more interesting conversations with mom compared to A because A doesn't have the knowledge to talk about as wide range of subjects as mom. As I mentioned earlier, my relationship with A will have a teacher/student feel to it. A is willing. She told me she will have to rely on me to learn much in life. I've dated a few RW like her. 2 RW under 25 yo I dated in Kiev told me they won't date a man under 30. One RW never dated a man under 30. The other dated one man under 30 and never again after that experience. Not many men under 30 could handle a woman like A and some of the young RW out there. The men aren't focused on being stable, reliable and can't or not capable to perform manly duties that a woman would require of them. A wouldn't last long with an immature man who lacks wisdom, intelligence and life experience. I know that, mom knows that, and surprisingly she knows that even at her young age.

 

He does not seem to be here for help or support at all, regardless where it comes from or it's form.

After 34 pages you finally figured that out?

Billy, if the Mother is a medical professional, why wouldn't she consider skilled immigration to Canada? Some medical professions are in the list. She may be able to include A as her accompanying unmarried daughter. Did you ever suggested this to her?

Just for you Lily I brought up your suggestion to mom. Mom knows that's an option but the conversation died after she said that. I don't think she's interested. Mom was never happy that A chose a man so far away. Mom's goal was to work in Libya a few more years, retire in Ukraine and live around family and friends. If mom ever considers moving to America it'll probably be for wanting to be close to her grandchildren.

Strange things?!?

Yes, strange things. Didn't you notice a bunch of guys who if they were in my situation would be in Libya or Ukraine to be with their loved one? They patted each other on the back but anyone with a brain knows what they want to do isn't practical or possible. Thinking about a visa to Libya isn't going to make one fall on your lap. Even if you get a visa, how will you get there when commercial flights are canceled? How do you guys plan to welcome your lady in the FSU? You don't know if she'll even catch the flight out on time. You don't know what country or city she'll land in and you don't know what airport, military or civilian she'll arrive at. While putting my actions down, you all made yourself out to be true romantics and heroes when none of what you're proposing is possible under the circumstances. If I'm not doing enough for A and I should get over there right now and burden the ladies with my presence, interfering with their job search and studies, then let the RW tell me. You guys do not make sense. A and mom can and will do a better job stabilizing their lives without me. The only thing I can do is make their lives more comfortable by giving them money to buy the necessities.

If you don't mind me asking, did A asked you for money during your conversation, or did you just assumed they'll need it and thus gave it?

Why would you worry if A asked me for money under the circumstances? Would she be a scammer then? Under the circumstances, if a guy is clueless, it would be appropriate for his woman to tell him to get his head out of his butt and send money. If you read this thread, you'll know A doesn't ask for money or for gifts. To this day she still has never asked me for money or gifts. Before all embassies ordered an evacuation, I suspected phone and internet to be shut down and I'd be out of communication with A so I talked to her about an evacuation plan and sent money to Ukraine and told her it would be waiting for her if she gets out of there since she may never hear from me again until she gets out of the country.

Not only does A not ask for money or gifts, she doesn't talk about problems anymore. Mom taught her telling me her problems is the same as begging for money. Now it's up to me to figure out which needs of hers need my assistance.

if mama and daughter are inseparable,

Gator, if you read this thread in it's entirety, you would know there is no “IF” about it. Last year A decided to separate from mom and live her life with me. If anyone is new to this thread, I suggest you start from the beginning to get a better understanding of what is happening. Lots of my experience with RW told right here and lots of insight on how RW think. I even talk about some of their bad experiences with men so you'll know not what to do or say. With the exception of 2 pages talking about Christopher Columbus, there's plenty of talk of women, sex, relationships, sex, fighting, sex, war, sex, and finally love and with love comes sex so you'll won't be bored for long before another posts pops up that grabs your attention.

no i don't think anyone is actually pissed off at all..nor do i think their e-feelings are truly hurt.
 

AJ, did you see the way some people acted in this thread when A was in a war zone? Their feelings were hurt. I got BC comparing me to Photoguy and GQ comparing me to Smoothoperator. Doesn't make sense at all. Their feelings are hurt. Faux said he won't add any more fuel to the fire a week ago yet all his recent posts are still adding fuel. His feelings are hurt. Faux said he's upset I'd have anything to do with an 18 yo yet he aligns himself up with BC who said himself he could have something to do with an 18 yo. Go figure? Is my relationship with an 18 yo the at the core of his anger? His feelings are hurt.

That's the second or third time you've told me to *wake up*
It seems a curious expression to use billy, and it's condescending.

You're worried about condescending? When you made comments throughout this thread that implied what I'm writing is not true, you're basically calling me a liar. Did I feel insecure, threatened and go berserk? I've been called all kinds of names here including immoral. Did I feel insecure, threatened and go berserk? You know why I'm calm? Because I'm enjoying life and know although some people don't approve, they still wish they could be in my shoes and have some of what I'm having when it comes to happiness. I'm enjoying life so much that I can't fail as a single man or married man. My attitude is bothering a few people because they are beginning to realize their opinion that I'll someday feel pain due to failure is plain silly.

The men around here often call it like they see it,

Why are you directing that only to me? Spread the love and tell that to others. They know they're going to get cross examined if they bring a piss poor attitude here. Some people have it coming.

most are married, and as defined in this forum have more stable and successful real world relationship than you or I currently have.

Let's talk about married men. I ask them to lay out their path to success to help people and BC comes forth and announces he's married for 9 years and Faux announces he's married for a year and a half. What the hell is that? How hard is it for those guys to simply say they're “happily” married? They never say that even on a good day.

I can ask married guys like Turboguy and Vaughn if they would do it over again with their wives and they would not hesitate. There is no question about it that those guys are happily married because they are totally in love with their FSU wives and would do it again no matter what Western society thinks about men and the foreign women they marry.

If BC and Faux want to shove their advice down my throat, there are 2 things they can do. One is to lay out their program for success. They can do it in my thread if they want. People may see that their program is superior to mine when it comes to finding “quality” women. I'm not here to find a plain, normal, or just any woman who'd have me. No marriage can be truly successful without a quality woman and man involved. The other way to get me to listen is for those guys to tell us how F'd up their marriage is and to lay out in detail how I'm following their exact footsteps. As of now I'm not going to take any advice from any married man who hugs their computer more than their wife. If that's what you 're telling me is a stable and successful marriage AJ, you are in a world of hurt.

What do you think boys? Should I turn up the heat and show how a strong man takes care of business when protecting the integrity of his lady? It's all up to you. I already showed you calm and tolerant. I don't have much of that left. You've said your piece. If you can't come up with concrete proof my lady is insincere looking to take advantage of me, or a screwed up woman that no man should touch , it's best you bow out and save what's left of your image. Taken down men who play silly games on the internet is not that hard. Now go take care of your wife before she reads the stuff you're capable of writing and truly understands she didn't marry a MAN.

The pot shots taken at you, frankly in western society  are to be expected.

Pots shots at me only happen here behind the safety of everyone's computers. In real life people think twice before getting in a fight. Going to the dentist replacing teeth isn't cheap. I don't care what the normal or average person thinks. I'm not looking for average or normal to marry. A woman doesn't have to be a stunning beauty but she has to be of exceptional character. I've dumped pretty girls after one date before. Getting them in my bed is not the goal. I can't sleep with a woman I don't respect.


AJ, you're a good guy but you need to open your eyes to what goes on. What currently is going on is BC playing another game. In my last post I said A comes from a long line of women that don't divorce. Does anybody not understand what that means? “No divorce” means what? BC who says he's going to help me from now on and recommends me doing a k-1 for a married woman to save both A and her mom from their woes and unfortunate lives in Ukraine. Either BC is stupid and didn't undersand what I said in my last post or he's playing another game. I also said in a past post mom doesn't want to come to America yet BC is implying she is desperate to get here and it's a good time for her to use me for a stepping stone to get here. How old is BC? Do you see guys who are considered some of the online gentlemen here like Gator, Vaughn, Turboguy or even you playing games like that? I don't think BC's entirely stupid to not understand what I said in my last post because he's better at others concealing what he does.

For any newbies reading, never think you're going to save a RW from her woes. Never tell her that her country is economically disadvantaged and you can use that to your advantage. She knows her country isn't perfect but she couldn't choose the place she was born. Because she doesn't live in ideal conditions doesn't mean she's a second class citizen. If you find a sincere FSU woman of exceptional quality, you can be sure she has many men to choose from and if you look down at her because of her financial status or where she was born, you are done. Forget about A's inner beauty. Her exterior beauty alone can attract many men. If I call A up and suggest to her BC's “sincere” recommendation to save her and her mom from their woes, do you think she's going to be my wife? Mom and A just lost everything. It's pretty sad to see people figuring out how to capitalize on those ladies misfortune to increase my chances in getting A's visa approved. It's pretty sad to see people who say they sincerely want to help promote something illegal.

[Lily]

So Billy, did you applied for a fiancee's visa for A already?

[Jumper]

So what exactly am I supposed to see here Billy?

It's the internet..seems pretty normal fare to me.
 
 I don't see anyone particularly wound up .. if you do, that's just one more point we don't see the same,but you can trust me that I'm fully awake.

[JR]

"Ever been to the FSU?"  Only about 30 times; still getting my feet wet.

Let's keep story straight here JR.

You said:  "She signed up with and English language school here in California, paid the fees and they had her a student visa in two days."

So what has this to do with the FSU?  You said the California school got her the visa.  Can't happen as I explained.

Oh, you're right...I meant to say that she signed up with a language school in her home country that has locations in California. I don't know where it's based out of. I questioned her pointedly about this and she was adamant. She walked in, paid a lot of money and was on a plane to Los Angeles two days later visa in hand. Sorry, my bad.

[Gator]

She walked in, paid a lot of money and was on a plane to Los Angeles two days later visa in hand. Sorry, my bad.

Still seems improbable.  I found the process exactly as ManLooking described.  Exactly.

[GQBlues]

Yes, strange things. Didn't you notice a bunch of guys who if they were in my situation would be in Libya or Ukraine to be with their loved one? They patted each other on the back but anyone with a brain knows what they want to do isn't practical or possible. Thinking about a visa to Libya isn't going to make one fall on your lap. Even if you get a visa, how will you get there when commercial flights are canceled? How do you guys plan to welcome your lady in the FSU? You don't know if she'll even catch the flight out on time. You don't know what country or city she'll land in and you don't know what airport, military or civilian she'll arrive at. While putting my actions down, you all made yourself out to be true romantics and heroes when none of what you're proposing is possible under the circumstances.

I wasn't asking why YOU didn't go anywhere but instead sent money BillyB. At least *I* had an idea why NOT. It wasn't necessary to give us the excuses cited above but I can't speak for anyone else however. I'm sure it was highly impossible for you to find a way to get this done. No doubt about it.

I understand not everyone have the same mentality with many things. I think I've already expressed my agreement with you about this upthread. I simply am not one of those folks who define money as a substitute for moral and spiritual support, much less concern for the welfare on MY significant other. But again, that's just me...again, 'we-are-different', yes?

If I'm not doing enough for A and I should get over there right now and burden the ladies with my presence, interfering with their job search and studies, then let the RW tell me. You guys do not make sense. A and mom can and will do a better job stabilizing their lives without me. The only thing I can do is make their lives more comfortable by giving them money to buy the necessities.

Your presence will be construed as a burden/interference after an event they just went through in hopes of offering moral support? Hhhhmmm...OK, I gotcha!

Why would you worry if A asked me for money under the circumstances? Would she be a scammer then? Under the circumstances, if a guy is clueless, it would be appropriate for his woman to tell him to get his head out of his butt and send money.

Worried?!? Moi? Who said *I* was worried. Who said A was a scammer? Read my question again.

A doesn't ask for money or for gifts. To this day she still has never asked me for money or gifts. Before all embassies ordered an evacuation, I suspected phone and internet to be shut down and I'd be out of communication with A so I talked to her about an evacuation plan and sent money to Ukraine and told her it would be waiting for her if she gets out of there since she may never hear from me again until she gets out of the country.

Not only does A not ask for money or gifts, she doesn't talk about problems anymore. Mom taught her telling me her problems is the same as begging for money. Now it's up to me to figure out which needs of hers need my assistance.

I think it's great! You've already mentioned reasons why mumski had never had, or wanted to, work in Ukraine so I will presume it'll be some time before she's be able to work in Libya again, or some other places if at all, or even in Ukraine, that'll give them the same level of life she got from her Libyan employment. Couple with A not having to have to say anything to you about her needs - gives me another point why I believe she made the right choice with you. Yes?

AJ, did you see the way some people acted in this thread when A was in a war zone? Their feelings were hurt. I got BC comparing me to Photoguy and GQ comparing me to Smoothoperator.

LOL.

But don't flatter yourself, man. I wasn't comparing you to SO. I met SmoothO and I only have positive impressions of him although I'm not saying I have negative impressions of you. I haven't met you and thus like I've said before, I am indifferent with you.

[Wayne]

I know if you go the cr1/cr2 route, the child would have to be less than 18 years old at the time of marriage to the child's parent.

Not sure about the K-1/K-2.  The age out is 21 for bringing the child over to USA.  

Getting married to A in Ukraine might be the best option.  She could have a nice wedding with all her family and friends present.  

I didn't read in this thread what Billy plans to do or has done?

[Faux Pas]

AJ, did you see the way some people acted in this thread when A was in a war zone? Their feelings were hurt. I got BC comparing me to Photoguy and GQ comparing me to Smoothoperator. Doesn't make sense at all. Their feelings are hurt. Faux said he won't add any more fuel to the fire a week ago yet all his recent posts are still adding fuel. His feelings are hurt. Faux said he's upset I'd have anything to do with an 18 yo yet he aligns himself up with BC who said himself he could have something to do with an 18 yo. Go figure? Is my relationship with an 18 yo the at the core of his anger? His feelings are hurt.


Let's talk about married men. I ask them to lay out their path to success to help people and BC comes forth and announces he's married for 9 years and Faux announces he's married for a year and a half. What the hell is that? How hard is it for those guys to simply say they're “happily” married? They never say that even on a good day.

If BC and Faux want to shove their advice down my throat, there are 2 things they can do. One is to lay out their program for success. They can do it in my thread if they want. People may see that their program is superior to mine when it comes to finding “quality” women.

Billy your constant verbal masturbating and continued state of denial is very Charlie Sheenish. You don't anger me Billy and I am  not upset with you. I have no emotion even remotely connected to you. I find this thread and your rants mildly entertaining and perhaps good for a chuckle or two on your best day. I haven't aligned myself with anyone against you. Really, why would I? A man I have never met planning to marry a girl I have never met, trust me here, mean nothing to me. It is you Billy who are apparently living vicariously through this thread. Please keep your posters straight. You keep attributing things to me I did not state.

 Yes Billy I have been extremely happily married for 1.5 years now. This was after (compared to yours) a VERY LONG courtship. My wife thinks I'm a pretty good guy and that is all that matters to me. I don't have to keep repeating this on the forum as some sort of affirmation. Where I come from it's recognized in deeds and actions.

I haven't offered you advice much less tried to shove any down your throat. I did make a suggestion or two earlier in in this thread. I tossed them out there. Take'em or leave'em. Neither makes no difference to me. I only think of Billy and his predicament when I click on this thread. I tried to hold up a mirror so you could see how insane your ramblings are but to no avail.

I wish you the best of luck Billy and I seriously mean that because I'm pretty sure you're going to need all you can get. You've brainwashed yourself with some very irrational thinking much like many newbies that that come here to proclaim they know everything after a few webcams on AWEB with some 20 year old hottie. Seriously, good luck Billy

[Wayne]

Given the information on this thread, I would not give A much of a chance at getting a K-1.  The student visa might be something to look into, but she would have to have good enought grades and get accepted into a college.

Billy mentioned that he has his own company.  Perhaps he could hire A to work in his company.  I don't know what qualifications she has, but he mentioned something about being a model.  That could work if he needs some advertising.

[mies]

So, in the end everything worked out just fine. A and her mom are receiving financial support from Billy, and don't have to sacrifice anything, A is intact and won't need to get married (yet and in the nearest future), mom lives with her daughter, they have a stable financial support and don't have to do anything for that. Now a bad deal! 

revolutions do bring justice.. sometimes.. 

[BC]

Given the information on this thread, I would not give A much of a chance at getting a K-1.  The student visa might be something to look into, but she would have to have good enought grades and get accepted into a college.

Wayne,

Meeting the standard for a K-1 is not that much more than meeting the bar for a tourist visa.  As long as she does not have a criminal record and can verbally relate an existing relationship it will fly even if they balk at first and request more evidence.. Just ask TG.

Submit forms and supporting documents.. add a little patience, a few bucks and a waiver if necessary and it's a done deal.  The only difficulty with Billy's fiancee might be acquiring the required 'police certificate' from Libyan authorities if she hasn't already done so. IIRC they are valid for 6 months.  She could try to avoid problems by getting a fresh passport and not mentioning her residency there, but that would be illegal.

We went through the worst case scenario for a second tourist visa for my wife just a few weeks ago.. We probably had extra scrutiny since it would be a prime case of a couple trying to bypass a K3.

[Wayne]

I agree, the tourist visa would be most difficult in her case.

[GQBlues]

Billy mentioned that he has his own company.  Perhaps he could hire A to work in his company.  I don't know what qualifications she has, but he mentioned something about being a model.  That could work if he needs some advertising.

LOL.

I can count on one hand, with 3 fingers missing, how many FSUWs I met who *didn't* think they're models.

Anyway, unless A's studies are in advertising and/or marketing, she might have to don dixie shorts (maybe even overalls), steel-toed boots, orange vest, a hard hat & holding a shovel to make what you speculated on a reality.

[Hammer2722]

Well now, after reading through this entire thread I just want to say to BillyB:

I admire your courage in coming on this site to post in the hopes of helping others. If even one new guy learns anything from it, you have been successful. I know exactly what this thread was trying to convey even if some others don't get it because they got their emotions get too wound up in it. I think you have been a very patient and stand up guy with some of the bile and crap that has been thrown your way.

As someone who has been in a relationship with a 19 year before, I wish you and A the best and I truely hope you have a great and wonderful life together. I know you are a smart guy. You know what you are doing and the path you follow. From what you posted, I think A knows exactly what she is doing and what she wants for her life. There are many women her age or older who don't even have a clue what they want in life.

When my mom married my father, she 21 and he was 35 with 6 children already. 54 years later and 14 children total when my dad passed away, I look at their relationship and believe that age has no bearing whatsoever in a successful marriage so long as both individuals know what they want, can communicate it and continue to love each other.

I admire you and want to thank you for a very interesting, enjoyable and educational thread. I wish you and A all the best and a very happy future. I look forward to reading more about you and A regardless of whether it works out in the end or not.

[Kuna]

Well now, after reading through this entire thread I just want to say to BillyB:

I admire your courage in coming on this site to post in the hopes of helping others. If even one new guy learns anything from it, you have been successful. I know exactly what this thread was trying to convey even if some others don't get it because they got their emotions get too wound up in it. I think you have been a very patient and stand up guy with some of the bile and crap that has been thrown your way.

As someone who has been in a relationship with a 19 year before, I wish you and A the best and I truely hope you have a great and wonderful life together. I know you are a smart guy. You know what you are doing and the path you follow. From what you posted, I think A knows exactly what she is doing and what she wants for her life. There are many women her age or older who don't even have a clue what they want in life.

When my mom married my father, she 21 and he was 35 with 6 children already. 54 years later and 14 children total when my dad passed away, I look at their relationship and believe that age has no bearing whatsoever in a successful marriage so long as both individuals know what they want, can communicate it and continue to love each other.

I admire you and want to thank you for a very interesting, enjoyable and educational thread. I wish you and A all the best and a very happy future. I look forward to reading more about you and A regardless of whether it works out in the end or not.

I don't think anyone wishes bad things for Billy or the girl... Hope not anyhow, few thoughts though:

- have you read of billy's other relationships and their strange endings?
- think the situations are different between you mum with 6 children and a girl who's life is just starting. As I said no one wishes a bad outcome but this is not a safe learning experience IMHO
- no one says large age gaps can't work, but I think most here are more concerned about the actions of a middle aged man contacting a girl who was 17 at the time and no matter how it turns out many would acknowledge the potential that this could have been predatory
- I wOuldnt yet call it a success, a long way tO go before the relationship proves to be happy, fair, balanced and sustainable.

[Jack]

Given the information on this thread, I would not give A much of a chance at getting a K-1.  

Wayne I must admit that I have not read all the post's in this thread, far from it.

I would like to ask you, and I'm very serious, as to why you think A would not have much of a chance for a K-1?

From everything I did read, I'd say she would have about a 99% chance for obtaining a K-1 and as such I am very curious as to what you read to think she would not have much of a chance.

I can count on one hand, with 3 fingers missing, how many FSUWs I met who *didn't* think they're models.

A great example for all you new guys as to how two men can have completely different experiences.  
I realize beauty will always be in the eye of the beholder and what one man would consider a beautiful woman another man would consider normal.  I have seen this from first hand experience countless times from many men as they have compared thousands of ladies.  

I have always felt for the most part that a lot of the women I dated were quite beautiful, again, beauty in the eye of the beholder.   From these women I would need probably a couple hundred hands with ALL fingers attached to come up with the few FSUW women I met who thought they were model material.  
 





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Well now, after reading through this entire thread I just want to say to BillyB:

I admire your courage in coming on this site to post in the hopes of helping others. If even one new guy learns anything from it, you have been successful. I know exactly what this thread was trying to convey even if some others don't get it because they got their emotions get too wound up in it. I think you have been a very patient and stand up guy with some of the bile and crap that has been thrown your way.

As someone who has been in a relationship with a 19 year before, I wish you and A the best and I truely hope you have a great and wonderful life together.

I also admire BillyB for discussing with all his most recent relationship.  When BillyB started writing this thread I could quickly see a lot of strong emotions being displayed, many of which were "How dare you BillyB".   What BillyB has shared never surprised me as I have seen many times where men, Italian men, French men, English men, American men, etc,  in their 40's and 50's dated, were involved with, young women of 18, 19, 20.    And no, they were not clients, with exception of one or two, but many men I have met in passing during my travels.  

You married guy's who think this is a rare thing, ...... it is not.  Most older men seeing such young women try to keep the relationship and young lady under wrap, most these men are not looking for a wife but a play thing.  Most the young women seeing these older men are also looking at the relationship as not serious but an opportunity to maybe receive gifts, fine dining, travel.  In most these cases the two sides are each getting what they want out of this type relationship.

And I am NOT saying A is looking at this type relationship, I know BillyB is not looking for this type relationship.  However I will say, with no disrespect to BillyB, I know of no 18, 19 year old Ukraine or Russian women who seriously consider a foreign man in his mid-40's unless he was a Bill Gates or Brad Pitt's type movie/rock star.  And as I ALWAYS say,  their will be exceptions to everything. Maybe this is one such exceptional relationship.

[JR]

Still seems improbable.  I found the process exactly as ManLooking described.  Exactly.

And as I understand the process it is exactly that way also. I can only relate to you what was told to me. I asked direct and pointed questions about the two days, even told her it was not possible. She just looked at me like I was ignorant and said it took her two days.

All I can say is that money talks and BS walks. As far as I know, no one else here has tried it so while I remain skeptical I am not going to call her a liar when she has first hand experience.

[BillyB]

A has found a job teaching a 3rd grade boy one hour in the afternoon a few times a week. She gets 26 grivnas or about $3. Mom has a job offer but it only pays $150 a month. Not much of anything going for them so I sent another $500 without A having to ask. A is happy. I can tell by her voice and her smiles in her photos below. She still doesn't talk about Libya and she lives for the future instead of dwelling on the past.

So Billy, did you applied for a fiancee's visa for A already?

I sent in the K-1 this year before the war in Libya. I'll wait until it gets to the embassy in Kiev before I notify them of A's new address and phone number.

It's the internet..seems pretty normal fare to me.

I don't see anyone particularly wound up ..

When you read a thread that gets 30,000 views and hundreds of posts and lots of name calling, surely somebody has gots to be wound up. If you're saying this thread is normal for the internet, there's not much more I can say.

I know if you go the cr1/cr2 route, the child would have to be less than 18 years old at the time of marriage to the child's parent.

Not sure about the K-1/K-2.  The age out is 21 for bringing the child over to USA.  

Why are we talking about whether or not A will get a visa again? You guys are more worried about what the consular officer is going to say than I. I got better things to do than to worry about an interview that is still many months away. As long as A wants to be with me, it's going to happen. Considering all the guys that go overseas barely writing or calling their lady, I'll have it easy. By the time of A's interview, we should easily be over 1000 emails and phones calls.

I didn't read in this thread what Billy plans to do or has done?

Wayne, I don't know if you know this but you own the thread with the most views. You were destined to achieve #1 status when you opened up with a post that said your wife didn't sleep with you since the wedding night, ran up debts, and eventually packed up everything and cleaned you out before she left. My thread will get to #2 if you don't count non sticky threads but my thread isn't a sad story, it's a happy story. You will probably not see a thread like this ever again because I'm writing my happy story before I know where I'm going. That is how confident I am on how to get results. I can find quality women who'd want to marry me this year, next year, whenever, and wherever. Now I'm sharing my experience with you free of charge! All it's going to cost is me losing some internet friends but the benefits to you and other men are real and if you can pick up a few tips to find a good woman to bless your life, that's what it's all about.

I know you didn't read much of it but I urge you to read. You may learn how some RW think, how they act on dates, how to be a more attractive man and get dates. You can see how I act in this thread. I can show strength by being calm and tolerant and I can show strength by shoving my boot in someones azz. My actions have turned off some men but not the women. The truth is most women want a strong man. A strong man may be an arsehole to some people but in the end, he's the arsehole that is going to protect and take care of the family. A weak man can't protect the family from the crap other people and life throw at them.

Are you searching for a new lady Wayne? With the internet, this is a wonderful time in history for men to search anywhere in the world for a fantastic lady. The tools are available but you have to provide the brain. There are many good women in America but most are married. Look at an American dating site. The average ladies there don't compare to the women at Bride.ru. Pound for pound, the single women overseas are better than the single women at home. They look better, dress better, and many of them have high education. Lots of single women at American dating sites are drug, tattoo, and piercing friendly.

If by chance I do make a catastrophic mistake when choosing a woman, I'm strong enough not to do what you did. I will immediately file for an annulment and send the wife home if she doesn't sleep with me instead of filing for a green card. That kind of deception will be dealt with strong and swift actions. I don't need that crap in my life and this country don't need anymore insincere women. Men should read your story to grasp what can happen if they don't choose women wisely.

Lots of men fresh off a divorce forgot how to court a lady and probably don't understand how sincere women act. They have a difficult time distinguishing the letters that come from a scammer or sincere lady. They'll jump on a plane for the first woman who invites them but usually the more aggressive women are the insincere ladies so they hog up the attention since they know how to lure men. A guy has to go though dozens of women to find a good one compatible for marriage. Many guys won't put in the effort or time to see that many women and would just soon enough marry the first woman that would have them. What have your past marriage and relationships taught you?

I'm hoping this thread help guys do a better job picking out a sincere marriage quality women. I'm also hoping men start to realize they need to improve. Being a better man is not only good for yourself but the lady who's life you may enter benefits too.

So, in the end everything worked out just fine. A and her mom are receiving financial support from Billy, and don't have to sacrifice anything, A is intact and won't need to get married (yet and in the nearest future), mom lives with her daughter, they have a stable financial support and don't have to do anything for that. Now a bad deal!  

Mies, first you was worried about A wanting to get a green card and now you think she's going to sit in Ukraine and collect my money. I know you care about me but you had your chance! I probably wrote to you years ago and you threw my email away in the garbage along with the other fat ugly men. Now you're jealous! Because now I'm showing myself as a caring, loving MAN of action, not words. I could've been your special guy and a wonderful aggressive lover you've been always wanting but you walked out of my life!

I know throughout this thread you have a hard time believing A is sincere. Nothing I said about her points to her being an insincere person but I understand why you think the way you do.

How good do you look? Could you send me your bikini photos so I can give you  my expert opinion free of charge? If you were 18 yo and had a hot body, you could choose most any man you want. You may choose the handsomest guy, the guy with the most muscles, the best dancer at the disco and certainly a young man close to your age. With that in mind, you find it hard to believe a beautiful young lady could sincerely give herself to a guy like me.

But there are other qualities women search for such as emotional and financial stability, an intelligent and wise man, a man that can love a woman more than his car, body and pretty face. These women want a stable man who won't bring in stupidity and drama into their lives. They want a man that will most likely stay with them and the children compared to a younger man who may stray or leave to avoid financial responsibility.

If in the same situation as A, you may believe you are smart for your choices in younger men but A will believe she is smart in her choice in me.

Well now, after reading through this entire thread I just want to say to BillyB:

I admire your courage in coming on this site to post in the hopes of helping others. If even one new guy learns anything from it, you have been successful. I know exactly what this thread was trying to convey even if some others don't get it because they got their emotions get too wound up in it. I think you have been a very patient and stand up guy with some of the bile and crap that has been thrown your way.

I admire you and want to thank you for a very interesting, enjoyable and educational thread. I wish you and A all the best and a very happy future. I look forward to reading more about you and A regardless of whether it works out in the end or not.

Thanks for the sincere wishes and I'm happy you “get it” about the message I'm trying to convey. There's no reason for anyone to be insecure, threatened, or be upset with me. I seen your the photos of you and your lady somewhere? Visajourney maybe?

have you read of billy's other relationships and their strange endings?.

Post a link so that we all will know what you're talking about. I've dated a lot of ladies so it's normal to have lots of endings. I don't end the relationship with an argument calling women bad names so maybe that's strange to you? I also remain friends with some of them so another strange habit of mine?

no one says large age gaps can't work, but I think most here are more concerned about the actions of a middle aged man contacting a girl who was 17 at the time and no matter how it turns out many would acknowledge the potential that this could have been predatory

You ask another poster to read yet you and my other critics failed miserably. Half the ladies I've dated last year were older than I. Mom read my letters to A twice so if there is some predatory instincts, it's in your imagination. You're just having a hard time understanding a young women can actually go for an older man if he's quality. Quality men don't have a hard time understanding that.

I wOuldnt yet call it a success, a long way tO go before the relationship proves to be happy, fair, balanced and sustainable.

I'm happy everyday. I was happy before I met A and I'm happy now. Being happy is success. If there is something in my marriage that makes me unhappy, I will take corrective actions.

Are you happy? Should I be like you and do you call your marriage successful? If someone read your first 500 posts, they would understand you that you're a single man and happy person based off the way you post. If someone read your last 500 posts, they would understand you're now married and you're always complaining about something or somebody like an old woman. Go and read your crap because 90% of what you've been posting lately is basically crapping on people. More people rather be me than you at this moment so you need to adjust your attitude. A few months ago you complained this forum changed. What is certain is that you changed and it ain't for the better.

However I will say, with no disrespect to BillyB, I know of no 18, 19 year old Ukraine or Russian women who seriously consider a foreign man in his mid-40's unless he was a Bill Gates or Brad Pitt's type movie/rock star.  And as I ALWAYS say,  their will be exceptions to everything. Maybe this is one such exceptional relationship.

Maybe A will be the first. I don't have Bill Gates money or Brad Pitt's looks but I got a sharp mind, great attitude, and overall I appeal to most women. I based that on the reactions and results I get from the ladies.

When I wrote to A, I never talked about myself unless she asked questions. I don't talk or send her photos of what I own and I downplay my position at work. If A or any woman is to like me, she will have to enjoy the conversation and the way I think. Without me having to say it, she will learn I'm strong, kind, intelligent, wise, responsible, reliable, caring and more. If a guy has a lot of good character traits, then he's husband material and can bring financial stability into a relationship since he's reliable person and can hold a job. The ladies will learn that I don't complain or bad mouth people so those would be the traits of a gentleman. There are ways a man can make himself appealing by with what he does and doesn't do. Dumb women don't “get it” but smart women do and A is smart and I'm not surprised I beat out a bunch of young guys for her heart.

[dbneeley]

A has found a job teaching a 3rd grade boy one hour in the afternoon a few times a week. She gets 26 grivnas or about $3. Mom has a job offer but it only pays $150 a month.

FYI, $150 per month for as base salary for a nurse in most clinics here in Ukraine would be about par for the course--better than some, in fact.

They typically receive some cash from patients as well, so the gross income is somewhat higher in most cases.

In some areas, a young doctor starts about that same level by the way.

David

[Hammer2722]

Thanks for the sincere wishes and I'm happy you “get it” about the message I'm trying to convey. There's no reason for anyone to be insecure, threatened, or be upset with me. I seen your the photos of you and your lady somewhere? Visajourney maybe?

I posted a Trip Report on my visit to my girl last August. I'm planning on posting my next report for my trip to see Olga this May! Keep an eye out for it.