Life Changes...Part Deux

[SMS60]

a high quality woman


Billy, the only disrespect to A expressed in this thread comes from you.

Its like you have shown to most disrespect by the picture you posted comparing an animal to Billys lady.

[mies]

Its like you have shown to most disrespect by the picture you posted comparing an animal to Billys lady.

I don't know maybe in English "high quality woman" sounds normal, but in Russian if you say "quality woman" or "high quality woman" it sounds really bad, you basically objectivize this person.

[Lily]

Some things when expressed in Russian may indeed have a different connotation than if we express them in English. In English, an expression 'high quality person' does not bear any objectification of the person, at least in my personal opinion.

Also, I don't find anything objectifying A. or showing disrespect to her in Billy's posts. I don't think that a comparison to an animal is fair. Otherwise we probably would have to admit that any man who admires the appearance of a woman does objectify her. He does not. Beauty in a human being is admirable, by definition, as is anything that is harmonious, eye-pleasing, that brings us positive emotions.

[GQBlues]

If Harb isn't one of you, then maybe Harb really had a bad experience in the past with a young lady and her mom and thus he KNOWS those types of families and it's all bad to him so he's warning me. Although it's against forum rules to list names of people here but I think it's okay for Harb to list the FIRST letter in A and mom's names. If he gets it right then we'll have some fun. Regardless if he knows their names or not, I'd like to hear his story on why these ladies are so bad. I've received so many expert opinions so far, what is another?

BillyB-

Well, hopefully 'Harb' is in fact someone just razzing you up...

But it may serve you well to at least send him a PM and find out. Maybe the moderators can trace the IP to see if he's not a dual identity jokester.

If not, and he's legit, according to him he knows the family 'personally'. What that implies and to what extent, it may serve you well to at least 'hear' what his cautionary concerns are, no?

[TomT]

Is that what you want to hear guys?

No. We want to hear that getting involved with a teenager is a bad idea, not rationalizations why it's a good idea.

I have no opinion about Harb because I have almost nothing on which to base a judgment. I am exceedingly familiar with you, however, because I have been reading your comments since Spenser's (sic?) forum. One common thread is woven through all those years of forum participation: you argue by changing information that is inconvenient to you. The latest example is writing that maybe Harb knows those types of families. What he actually wrote was unequivocal but you have made yourself some wiggle room, nonetheless. Stop it! It isn't working for you.

[BC]

Its like you have shown to most disrespect by the picture you posted comparing an animal to Billys lady.

Never heard this term to describe women outside MOB.. Or maybe strip club.

I did not interpret the picture as an insult to A

[Donhollio]

 Billy I only started reading your thread last week,and I have to say I'm somewhat stunned. It's your life, live as you see fit. It's not the way I'd go about living, but then we all need different strokes to make the world.  One thing I will say is that calling a 18yo girl a woman or lady is a big stretch. She's a kid, christ she can't even buy liquor in your country for another 3 years!  Your girl may have childhood issues if shes honest in her intentions towards you. Abandonment of a father figure, a abusive male in the home, sexual abuse, it goes on and on.  I have a friend when at the age of 16 she would regularly date guys 20 years her senior.
 Now I'm not saying shes damaged, but it is some of the reasons young girls seeks old men.  Many of us have read Olga Conroy's own words on how she viewed herself, and her loser husband during her time before she got to the USA.

  Anyways I wish you the best with your girl once you get her on US soil. 

[Rubicon]

Billy I only started reading your thread last week,and I have to say I'm somewhat stunned. It's your life, live as you see fit. It's not the way I'd go about living, but then we all need different strokes to make the world.  One thing I will say is that calling a 18yo girl a woman or lady is a big stretch. She's a kid, christ she can't even buy liquor in your country for another 3 years!  Your girl may have childhood issues if shes honest in her intentions towards you. Abandonment of a father figure, a abusive male in the home, sexual abuse, it goes on and on.  I have a friend when at the age of 16 she would regularly date guys 20 years her senior.
 Now I'm not saying shes damaged, but it is some of the reasons young girls seeks old men.  Many of us have read Olga Conroy's own words on how she viewed herself, and her loser husband during her time before she got to the USA.

if he keeps sending her 2G a month, she's never going to make it to the USA!!

  Anyways I wish you the best with your girl once you get her on US soil. 

[mies]

Some things when expressed in Russian may indeed have a different connotation than if we express them in English. In English, an expression 'high quality person' does not bear any objectification of the person, at least in my personal opinion.

Also, I don't find anything objectifying A. or showing disrespect to her in Billy's posts. I don't think that a comparison to an animal is fair. Otherwise we probably would have to admit that any man who admires the appearance of a woman does objectify her. He does not. Beauty in a human being is admirable, by definition, as is anything that is harmonious, eye-pleasing, that brings us positive emotions.

Lily, i did not compare A to an animal, but Billy does speak of his lady (or women in general) as if he's making an inventory of a "quality features" in a car, or in a mare. And this is what the photo was about. You can speak this way about a horse, you can't speak this way about a woman. Nothing to do with appearance as such.

[Jazzyclassy]

 And yet another clue from the RW on this board. Who is it again that is not getting it?  

Don't you worry about the other people, you made your point so everyone heard it and it is time for you to chill do not you think so?

Billy I only started reading your thread last week,and I have to say I'm somewhat stunned. It's your life, live as you see fit. It's not the way I'd go about living, but then we all need different strokes to make the world.  One thing I will say is that calling a 18yo girl a woman or lady is a big stretch. She's a kid, christ she can't even buy liquor in your country for another 3 years!  Your girl may have childhood issues if shes honest in her intentions towards you. Abandonment of a father figure, a abusive male in the home, sexual abuse, it goes on and on.  I have a friend when at the age of 16 she would regularly date guys 20 years her senior.
 Now I'm not saying shes damaged, but it is some of the reasons young girls seeks old men.  Many of us have read Olga Conroy's own words on how she viewed herself, and her loser husband during her time before she got to the USA.

  Anyways I wish you the best with your girl once you get her on US soil. 

Well said !

[chivo]

Don't you worry about the other people, you made your point so everyone heard it and it is time for you to chill do not you think so?
Well said !

Jazzy I'm not worried about anyone but the people in my life. How about taking your own advice and not worry about what I do.

You seem to understand my point but it wasn't directed at you. Since the OP hasn't "got it" by responding to me with the same ol same old, I wanted to point out that the RW on this forum don't like his repetitive answers because the OP keeps using the fact that the RW do like it as an excuse for continuing his comments about being a manly man. You're not the only one who has said this BTW.

Since you said you didn't have the time to read it all, maybe you should before you respond to me with your nonsense.

And I'm just telling him by agreeing with you or are you just having a bad moment? Oh and BTW others have given Billy much more sh*t in this thread than I. Your comments seem, well, strange. Must be personal . Get over it.

[BC]

Ya know, the longer a thread gets, the more there is there to pick at.. from both sides of the LCD screens.

To sum it all up, Billy went on a short trip, found a young woman and her mother enticing, had some fun, fell in lust, luv or whatever and then mailed her a K1.  They later got into a little trouble with the Liberia situation and he's helping them out financially.

A lot of OWW / age gap advice was given to Billy to look before leaping, but he is determined to see it through.  Someone mentioned knowing more about the women in Billy's life but has been silent since.

Is there really anything of substance that we or even Billy can add to that until he either visits again, she heads to the visa interview or for whatever reason the relationship flops?

IMHO there is really nothing at all that hasn't been already said twice or thrice or even more.  In fact with the 'fluff' taken out we'd probably be looking at 5 pages instead of almost 50.
 

[Jack]

you made your point so everyone heard it and it is time for you to chill do not you think so?

Actually, unlike your remarks, chivo makes sense.

How about taking your own advice and not worry about what I do.

Very well said chivo but unlikely she will ever take her own advice.

Your comments seem, well, strange.

Typical jazzy comments.

[Muzh]

I don't know maybe in English "high quality woman" sounds normal, but in Russian if you say "quality woman" or "high quality woman" it sounds really bad, you basically objectivize this person.

Mies, never heard of high quality meat? That should give you a hint.

[GQBlues]

...Anyways I wish you the best with your girl once you get her on US soil.   ....

  I do, too! Washington can be a 'good' place for a PYT. Lot's of grundge rockers in that area. Kurt Cobainesque....

But danggit, Don   I can't reply to your PM!

...To sum it all up, Billy went on a short trip, found a young woman and her mother enticing, had some fun, fell in lust, luv or whatever and then mailed her a K1.  They later got into a little trouble with the Liberia situation and he's helping them out financially...

They sure get around, don't they? They just bailed out of Libya, didn't they?

But at $2,000.00 monthly stipend BC, you can feed 2 million Haitians for that much money! Maybe 3 million Liberians. 10 million Bangladeshies. A billion Chinese... 

[BC]

They sure get around, don't they? They just bailed out of Libya, didn't they?

Yeah.. they do.. LOL  See how this crap starts up?

But at $2,000.00 monthly stipend BC, you can feed 2 million Haitians for that much money! Maybe 3 million Liberians. 10 million Bangladeshies. A billion Chinese... 

Ya know GQ, after proposing to my wife I gave her a card and pin at the airport.. after all she was my fiancee so I really can't knock him on that point.. But reflecting there were some slight differences in time spent/visits prior and I didn't propose via dhl.. - not to mention I wouldn't give a teen my credit card.

But hey, different strokes for different folks.. I'm sure they are appreciating Billy's gesture.

[The Natural]

But at $2,000.00 monthly stipend BC, you can feed 2 million Haitians for that much money! Maybe 3 million Liberians

Yes, but how many Librarians can that amount feed? We must not forget to ask the really important questions here, hahaha

[TomT]

The money is irrelevant. Many guys send money and it has the effect of showing them to be serious about supporting their women. This is a big competitve edge in countries where non-support is the rule, rather than the exception. The key is to send money to the right person or it will be as unproductive as loving the wrong person. That is where due dilligence comes in... or not.

There is something that I'm confused about, however. In the beginning, A. was an 18-year-old virgin. At some point along the way, she became 17 (presumbly still a virgin). When will she turn 16?

[GQBlues]

The money is irrelevant. Many guys send money and it has the effect of showing them to be serious about supporting their women...

WOW! I must be THE Greedy Man! I thought I was spoiling my fiancee at the time when I was sending her 100 bucks a month - 4 months BEFORE she came to the US - and she was telling me it really wasn't necessary.

Must be the hyperinflation everyone is warning us about...

[mies]

The money is irrelevant. Many guys send money and it has the effect of showing them to be serious about supporting their women. This is a big competitve edge in countries where non-support is the rule, rather than the exception. The key is to send money to the right person or it will be as unproductive as loving the wrong person. That is where due dilligence comes in... or not.

There is something that I'm confused about, however. In the beginning, A. was an 18-year-old virgin. At some point along the way, she became 17 (presumbly still a virgin). When will she turn 16?

Billy first said she was 18, then he said she was 17 when they started correspondence, but she turned 18 since, and is 18 now.

[mies]

Mies, never heard of high quality meat? That should give you a hint.

people around me are telling that a "brownie" would be also appropriate, taking into consideration the age of a subject.

[TomT]

Billy first said she was 18, then he said she was 17 when they started correspondence, but she turned 18 since, and is 18 now.

David posted that he was lucky that they met in Algeria because, in most U.S. States, Billy would have been chargeable with statutory rape with a minor. Billy did not correct David's presumption that A was 17 at the time. Have I missed anything?

[mies]

David posted that he was lucky that they met in Algeria because, in most U.S. States, Billy would have been chargeable with statutory rape with a minor. Billy did not correct David's presumption that A was 17 at the time. Have I missed anything?

my impression is in sync with yours.

[Wayne]

I see a list of all 50 states, and the age of consent is mostly 16 with some 17 or 18 and various exceptions.  This one is interesting:

MaineThe age of consent in Maine is 16. Teenagers aged 14 and 15 may engage in sexual intercourse with partners who are less than 5 years older.

§254. Sexual abuse of minors 1. A person is guilty of sexual abuse of a minor if: A. The person engages in a sexual act with another person, not the actor's spouse, who is either 14 or 15 years of age and the actor is at least 5 years older than the other person.

[BillyB]

Sorry Billy, I have no time to read everything here, but why are you making excuses to people.It is your own life and you do want you want to do with it

Hi Jazzy,
  long time no see. I'm sure you're happy with your family life! I'm making no excuses. I'm just talking about the fine qualities of my fiancee and some people can't handle it. I started a thread to help guys communicate, date, and distinguish the good ladies from the bad. 

Billy, I'll make a confession to you. You are the only member of this board I have ever put on ignore. No, not recently, about 3-4 years ago. Why? Because you're a knucklehead.

You don't have to make a confession. I know who you are from way back. You are the guy who hates capitalism. You are the guy that when upset with someone, you will announce to the world you will ignore them. You are also the guy who after a few years reminds the world that you put someone on ignore.

Afterward, I thought why put anyone on ignore? It's silly because I can easily ignore someone should I choose to.

Then quit talking and take a break from this thread and me. As much negative words as you've written  here, it's obvious I bother you.

To Hell with the name games Harb.
We want the dirty laundry!
Do you know either "A" or Mom (how do I tactfully put this? ) in a "biblical way"?

Oh, I think the fun is just beginning. :evil:

One thing I like about posters like Harb is they bring out the best or worst out of people.  You, Kuna, and a few others seem to enjoy the idea that someone has power to sabotage another person's relationship. I can imagine what you would do if that power is in your hands.

RW are probably enjoying reading your reactions and better understand how some men think because those who enjoy causing harm to other people's relationships will surely cause harm to the ladies that break up with them. You enjoy talking about a woman's dirty laundry to hurt her after she breaks up with you?  One reason ladies like me is because I'm emotionally and mentally stable. They'll never get the feeling I'm going to damage them if things don't go smooth.

For those people who felt joy when you have an opportunity to see someones relationship get trashed, you're in a world of hurt much more than I.

I would compare A to being a similar lady like Lily. She can handle this. She can handle me. Heck, her mom can talk to me about sex with her daughter and some of you guys can't handle that.

When I was 16, the military asked my parents for permission to talk to me about joining their nuclear program as an officer. I scored in the higher end of the top 1% in the nation on the ASVAB test. I'm still a sharp guy. Many of you live in a world where you think a post like Harb's went over my head. I was thinking about keeping the truth quiet so you guys have something to be excited about but I'll wake you up from your fantasy world and I'll let you know what just happened went over most all of your heads.

Harb joined the forum on March 24 9:31 PM and finished his first post 9:42 PM. Since Harb read this thread, he would have read it before he registered. He could not have recognized A because only registered users can view photos so when he tells me that he knows the family, he is saying it without even seeing the photos.

Most likely Harb is playing a game and you guys got fooled. Based on Harb's other post, only a handful of people here would have that knowledge. Based on writing style and knowledge of West Ukraine, I would narrow it down to Boethius, the Canadian lady who has disappeared for a while. If management has the time, they can do an IP check to see where Harb has been posting from and we can go and knock on his/her door to get the information you all want.

 Harb could be real and I answered him as such and since he read the story photos unseen and it may feels so close to home to him since he has lots of bad experiences with women. The difference could be most women I encounter don't give me a bad experience.

Billy, the only disrespect to A expressed in this thread comes from you.

Jeez mies, you've given me advice over the last year and I haven't taken it and now you are getting more aggressive with your posts. I know you care about me but don't hurt the ones you love. I hope you don't make your husband suffer the same way when he doesn't listen to you. I've given nothing but the highest praise to A in this thread. I couldn't marry a woman unless I could praise her the way I've praised A.

Well, hopefully 'Harb' is in fact someone just razzing you up...

But it may serve you well to at least send him a PM and find out.

I don't care about listening to Harb. If the devil tells me God is bad, should I send the devil a PM and ask for more info? I'm not saying Harb is the devil but who the hell is Harb anyway? A nobody to me.

 For the last 16 months I know what I seen and heard. If someone tells me A is bad, then my first question for them is “What the hell is wrong with you?” People who go around bad mouthing others aren't exactly the go to people for quality info. People at work, friends, family all respect and like me. They'll tell you good things about me. If people like Lazarus with his current FU mentality met me and my lady on the street, he'd be coming back here telling you all I got a bad attitude, poor character, lack respect for his feelings. extremely violent, and criminally insane. Lazarus would then question why women would like a man like me and he can't comprehend why my love life has just improved ten fold.

Over the last 16 months I learned A is a wonderful woman:

Positive, happy, full of life, excited about life with me.

She talks about family oriented topics all the time.

She always reminds me to buckle up the children in seatbelts and to get off the phone while driving.

She likes to keep the home clean and tidy. Look at the first photo below.

She likes to decorate the home during holidays. I expect she's going to ask me to help her in all her holiday projects. She even decorates the cat during the holidays. 2nd and 3rd photos below.

She interacts with friends and family with so much love. 4th photo below with one of her best friends.

She does not discriminate against people. She judges people as individuals just as I do.

She's conservative in her views. So am I.

She's Christian but not a fanatic. So am I.

She cares about me in many ways. One example is that she searched online for tips to help reduce my snoring.

I sometimes call her 2-3 AM my morning since the phones work better but she chastises me for not getting enough sleep. She knows I sleep about 6 hours a night and she tells me she wants a husband with a lot of energy so I should rest more. I think she'll be disappointed to find out I have too much energy.

She has good manners, classy and elegant. 5th photo below

There's more but you get the point by now. A woman like here don't come along often and man would be a fool to turn away a quality woman like her. I can catch women like her. If any man here feels they can't catch a quality woman regardless of age, then he needs to change things in his life and results aren't going to happen overnight so better start being a better man sooner than later.

 People have already tried to plant a seed of doubt but I'm sure I know A better than anybody here )

No. We want to hear that getting involved with a teenager is a bad idea,

Tom, you can answer your own questions since you are over 20 years older than I and communicated with women as young as 19. Your posts have taken an aggressive tone lately after I asked you if the 27 yo RW was the lady that took one look at you and walked away on a trip report of yours. I have a feeling she had a profile at one of the big agencies you've defended months ago.

Your girl may have childhood issues if shes honest in her intentions towards you. Abandonment of a father figure, a abusive male in the home, sexual abuse, it goes on and on. 

Don, we've went through all this earlier in the thread. There are many RW willing to date men much older than them and usually they are the more presentable looking and dressed ladies at dating sites. Most young ladies I've dated said young men can't handle them and they don't want to babysit a child.

There is something that I'm confused about, however. In the beginning, A. was an 18-year-old virgin. At some point along the way, she became 17 (presumbly still a virgin). When will she turn 16?

You're not alone in your confusion. Most of my critics have failed to read and now you're questioning the validity of this thread by saying I lied about A's age. If you can show I lied, I'll show you a fool. Guaranteed

All through this thread people brought up things not worth waisting my time on. Algeria. Where did I say anything about Algeria? I'm sending $2000 a month. Where did I say I was going to buy her a new wardrobe every month? I'm a poor man. I never said I was poor on this or any forum at any time. Sexual abuse. I never said I had sex with A or even touched her. What I did say is that I would never force a woman to break her principles for my selfish desire. What we have here is a failure to communicate. When I say A lived in Libya, it means Libya, not Algeria.