Life Changes...Part Deux

[Muzh]

I wanted to say something along those lines or nothing at all but mom was serious about the question. Because she's a doctor, some patients will talk about things in their life besides medical problems so she's used to hearing private/personal issues. Mom tells me Libyan ladies have told her that their husbands like to dress them up as prostitutes at home. Muslim men aren't as conservative as we thought!

Guess what Billybob? Another Ukrainian doctor says you are full of caca. First, she doubts very much MIL is a doctor. Second, she doubts very much she said a word posted here.
 
 

Mom was happy with what I told her so she didn't tell me what I should do to A but she did tell me if I have any problems with A, to call her and she will take care of it.
 

Kinky 
 

I'm one of the very few men that can commit to marriage to a woman based off inner beauty alone, not sex but sex/intimancy is a very important part of a relationship.
 

LMFAO
 
It snowed this morning where I live and there was all this white untouched snow. Made me think of "A" of the purity of the moment.
 

Although most people don't talk about it we know some have real problems in their relationships at this moment.
 

Most people don't talk about their "MIL" teaching their SIL how to go down.
 
 

 
I dated plenty of RW and they talk about sex much more openly than I.
 

True.
 

Sometime they tell me to loosen up about the subject.
 

False. Unicorns told you that. Or maybe it was Tinkerbell
 
 

It's not that I don't know much about it but I have a policy not to talk about other women in my life because sometimes that is where the conversation heads to.
 

Only about your kinky MIL.
 

There is no fantasy here. What I've written in this thread happens in my life. Some of the RW I've dated in the past have jumped into the shower with me and grabbed my package and played with it after a wonderful love session. Do you think that is fantasy too? I suspect these things don't happen to every man and that is sad.
 

You sure you are not related to Winston W?

A man's health is more important than infidelity and overides it according to mom. She believes if a man doesn't use it, he will lose it and masturbation is not the same as real sex. Besides losing the ability to get it up, if a man goes without real sex for say 5 years and although his equipment still works he will have lost the ability to make quality love to a woman just because he's rusty. If a woman dated a man who has not had sex in 10 years, I believe she will be more worried than thrilled that he's saving himself for his one and only.
 

LMFAO
 
This is precious. AND Kinky IF your MIL was explaining this to you. Sick woman I'd say.

 

I forgot to tell mom I liked 69. I'll tell her in my next call. Seriously, what are you doing thinking about 69 Jumper? Your brain must be in the gutter. lol
 

No, it's not you mind that's in the gutter. It's your fantasy that is in the gutter.

I'm sorry, I have to stop here. My belly hurts from all the laughing.
 

[BillyB]

 
A few more days and counting. A was not happy with me last week. She asked for photos of the interior of my house. I told her I sent a fews photos a long time ago but she wants photos of every room so she can get an idea on how to decorate it. I told her she can make her plans when she gets here and she should spend the last few days in Ukraine with family and friends. She insisted I send the photos but I again said "no." I asked her if she was angry at me and she said "I can never be angry at you." Although I believe she had her priorities wrong, I'm somewhat glad she's thinking about a life with me over spending more time with people she already spent time with since the beginning of the Libyan war.
 
Mom is signing over property to A. She has a piece of land, an apartment, and interest in part of the family's home. Mom has done a good job teaching her daughter to be wonderful woman and trusts putting her name the property. I told mom she's still young and she doesn't need to transfer this stuff over yet but mom doesn't want to take a chance in case she dies early.
 

For one, you may want to worry what one specific person thinks. That is A's mom. Some forms of mental disorders run in the family. Others can be nurtured. You do understand that mom's behavior is well beyond of what is considered "conventional" or "normal," don't you?
On the other hand.... what do I know. Maybe you want to have a beautiful AND crazy wife.

How can a person be crazy if they like me!
 
Actually A called me crazy once. I told her that there are plenty of people from the FSU that live in my and surrounding cities and she'll be able to make FSU friends. She told me I'm crazy and many Ukrianian people will cause trouble or gossip to create problems for another person's life. When we talked to mom later about it, she thought I was crazy too and I didn't understand people there. I told them I judge people as individuals but they thought the risk wasn't worth taking a chance.
 
Usually when I read about FSU wives, they fall into one of two categories. A woman that will not associate with other FSU women in America or a woman that will associate with other FSU women a lot.
 

LOL, now that totally made my day 
Although I do have some doubts on your advice, Billy Isn't it unsafe to grab moving parts during the process? I would hate to get my man castrated 

Nat, do not be embarrassed. When I get done with you, you will become a professional ball handler. Don't worry about castrating your man unless you're holding a knife in your hand. You can squeeze but not too hard as balls are sensitive. You can push and pull to the rhythm or against the rhythm or you can simply stay in one spot and fondle those things all you want. An experienced man will take your hand and lead it to where he wants. If you're dealing with an inexperienced man, make the moves yourself and I'm sure he won't resist.
 

Guess what Billybob? Another Ukrainian doctor says you are full of caca. First, she doubts very much MIL is a doctor. Second, she doubts very much she said a word posted here.

If anybody reads this forum over a good period of time, they would have read some men's experiences with doctors and that doctors talk about sex more than the average RW especially for the health benefits. You can do a search on that. If your wife says mom is not the average mother, then I will agree with you. Some mothers teach their daughters skills and good manners to be successful later in life. A's mom teaches her everything.
 
If you want to pick and choose what your wife gets to hear, of course she's going to think this is fantasy. If she reads from the beginning, she may have the same conclusions as most women and that is for a guy to have success with lots of women, there must be good things about him. Women don't have to like me to understand that. Pay attention to how Western men and RW differ in their reactions to what I'm writing.
 
Why are you now telling me what your wife is thinking anyway? Are you going to bring in more people later? Her opinion based off bits and pieces of your choosing isn't as valid as if she were to read the whole thread for herself. Make your wife's opinion more valuable by sharing the computer so she can read for herself.

[Admin]

Billy,

Enough with the graphic descriptions of sex play.

- Dan

[mies]

She asked for photos of the interior of my house. I told her I sent a fews photos a long time ago but she wants photos of every room so she can get an idea on how to decorate it (bla-bla-bla). ..She insisted I send the photos..

looks like someone is getting nervous about the trip, maybe having second thoughts before a big move.

[Globetrotter]

Once upon a time...there was this guy.  He was not very educated...or very smart, (2 very different things) or very tall, or very good looking.  Anyway, he wanted...actually... needed, to try to impress his people.  He wanted to set himself apart, so he looked to buy a very special car.  He didn't want "to see himself coming around every corner"...so he thought Bentley.  When he found these were $200,000 to buy, he thought lease.  He found a 2 year old car to lease for only $1500 per month...and did it.  Now...he was a  "player" and he was pleased with himself.  He also thought...that because he had such a great car, that others would come to him for guidance and advice, for which he was very, very pleased...as this was the respect he had always looked for... but always...he was one of the dumbest people one could ever hope to meet....but he looked the part, and thought himself, a "player".  He had fun over the 2 year lease, and got rerspect from people he could never have imagined.  People would see him at a stop light and give him the "high sign" and he knew he was just where he was meant to be.  Then, after 2 years, the lease was up...and he needed to return the car, and he didn't have the $150,000 to buy the lease, and his game was "up".
 
He returned the Bentley, and bought a used VW TDI....but he had much fun for one day more than 2 years, which he always remembered, and was the "hallmark of his life".
 
After this Bentley episode, he thought..........I think I'll look for a girl in Ukraine.
 
And...............It has just begun!!! 
 
 

[BillyB]

 

looks like someone is getting nervous about the trip, maybe having second thoughts before a big move.

Funny you should say that. Although I had a good reason for not wanting to send the photos, A asked me if I'm worried a dirty house will scare her away. I told her I'm not as clean as the average woman but I'm not so dirty that I would worry about scaring her away. She told me not to worry and that she will never leave me. I still didn't send the photos.
 
The other day A told me when she gets here, our house will be so clean and pure that when we invite my friends over, they will faint. I don't think she fully understands how big my house is yet. 5 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, and the rest of the rooms are big. I will suggest that she take it slow and decorate one room at a time. My house is not as beautiful inside as a woman would keep it but my house is clean! I wouldn't bring a woman into a dirty house. All A has to do is decorate the house the way she likes. She is ready to decorate the house for Christmas and one of the first things we'll do together is buy a real Christmas tree. She doesn't like plastic trees and the smell of real trees helps bring out the spirit of the holidays she says.
 
5 days ago A had a toothache and the dentist said all work done on her teeth in Libya is bad and is the reason her tooth hurts. I talked to A and mom if the felt A's dental work is all bad or is the dentist looking for work and I also asked if they had faith in the Ukrainian dentist. Replacing bad work with bad work isn't smart. They said the dentist does work for Westerners who come in to get good deals and they after talking to the dentist, they believe he is knowledgable and experienced to do a good job.
 
Mom was offered a job by the dentist. She accepted and will apply anesthesia for him. It's hard for her to get a good job as a doctor in Ukraine. Locally she would make $150 a month and she told me she won't make much more in Kiev. It's hard for her to get a job just by applying. It's easy if she paid money to buy the job. Sometimes it may cost hundreds to $20,000. I understand why some doctors bribe patients. To recuperate losses.
 
Last month the cat was sick and was taken to the veterinarian. The vet offered mom a job but she declined because animals are very different than humans and she felt she was not qualified. I'm wondering if doctors for humans are working on animals, it's possible a few veterinarians are working on humans if the local clinic is desperate enough to take anyone.
 
As I type this, A is on the move. She is going from Kiev to Frankfurt, then to Las Vegas, and finally me!
 

Billy,

Enough with the graphic descriptions of sex play.

- Dan

You will have your wish Dan. I wasn't going to write anything graphic anymore unless another lady was worried about castrating her man.    Although you are not happy with my last post, thanks for not deleting it. I gave the ladies some great tips if they want to drive their man wild.
 
I also understand some people were not happy about the non graphic stuff throughout the thread but some people appreciate what I have written. Everything I've written pertaining to sex is not coming from me but from the RW I've met. Out of all things important for a relationship sex/intamacy is not talked about often on the forum. Sadly it's not talked about much in relationships either. Dealing with online dating I've come across a few married women that are missing one thing in their marriage and they are willing to outside of marriage to satisfy their needs. I don't approve but if their husbands paid more attention, their wives may not have come to the point they arrived at. Everyone married or not should not underestimate the importance of intimacy and pay attention if their partner is feeling empty.
 
Although A's mom asks very open and candid questions, I'm glad I'm in a family that can be open with each other. A is open with her feelings too but not as open as mom....yet.

[SteveOR]

 

As I type this, A is on the move. She is going from Kiev to Frankfurt, then to Las Vegas, and finally me!

Excellent News!
 
 

[Lily]

That's fantastic news Billy! Congratulations! I look forward to read the A's news in the U.S.

May be she could join the forum and write her impressions?

[BC]

May be she could join the forum and write her impressions?

Would indeed be interesting.

[Turboguy]

Would indeed be interesting.

 

[BillyB]

 
Excellent News!
 
 

That's fantastic news Billy! Congratulations!

 
Thanks for your thoughts.

 

I look forward to read the A's news in the U.S.

 
I will report on our progress even if she bites and gets violent! Bringing a RW to America is like taking a tiger out of her habitat.

 

May be she could join the forum and write her impressions?

 
BC and TG thinks it's going to be dangerous so I will decline! As I mentioned before I don't believe A would leave me if she reads this thread. She told me that if I commit adultery she will forgive she says it's best to not tell her about it. What hurts A is talking about other women and in this thread I talked a lot about my experiences which are for the forum to read, not for A.

 
A once told me she doesn't care about my past but I know it's best not to bring it up. When dating women, I have a policy not to talk about other women. It can do no good and some women will use what a man tells against him. Lily, I suspect you have the maturity not to let a man's past bother you and judge him in present time but not all women are as strong and bad feelings of jealousy can prevail.
 

Maybe someday when this thread gets shuffled into the back I may invite A here. As for now it's not productive for her to be on the internet anywhere. She has to adjust to a new life. She will continue higher education. She may get a part time job. She has to live real life. I have talked with her to be clear that internet is not going to be a big part of our marriage.

 
I must go to the airport now. One quick question. How do I take care of a RW?

[I/O]

How do I take care of a RW?

You don't, you shut up and listen. It may be a new experience.............

[BC]

BC and TG thinks it's going to be dangerous so I will decline!

If your definition of 'interesting' is 'dangerous' then so be it.

At this point, in your shoes I would either share RWD with your wife or drop RWD from your life.  I opted to share instead of creating some little corner of my life hidden away, posting pictures and other intimate information about her and our family in public, surreptitiously and without consent.

After all marriage is about sharing all aspects of your life and not just some.. - unless you have coined another definition for marriage as well.

[Ade]

If your definition of 'interesting' is 'dangerous' then so be it.

At this point, in your shoes I would either share RWD with your wife or drop RWD from your life.  I opted to share instead of creating some little corner of my life hidden away, posting pictures and other intimate information about her and our family in public, surreptitiously and without consent.

After all marriage is about sharing all aspects of your life and not just some.. - unless you have coined another definition for marriage as well.

I agree totally. It's the mark of a real man when they aren't ashamed of what they say in public and can share it with their family. And if they are ashamed or reticent, then they should ask themselves if they should be saying it in the first place.

[HiTech]

I agree totally. It's the mark of a real man when they aren't ashamed of what they say in public and can share it with their family. And if they are ashamed or reticent, then they should ask themselves if they should be saying it in the first place.

I agree.

Also , any bets on how soon Billyb makes his next post? He may be a little busy for the next few months.

HiTech

[GQBlues]

....She has to adjust to a new life. She will continue higher education. She may get a part time job. She has to live real life....

 
It goes far beyond that BillyB. It is now entirely up to you to make sure this woman is allowed to seek out every opportunity for her to realize her own identity within your marriage. She must also be afforded every opportunity to make something for herself, of herself, by herself...within the structure of your marriage.
 
Good luck to both of you. If there's anything I can address with whatever questions that might come, give me a shout..

[Muzh]

 
It goes far beyond that BillyB. It is now entirely up to you to make sure this woman is allowed to seek out every opportunity for her to realize her own identity within your marriage. She must also be afforded every opportunity to make something for herself, of herself, by herself...within the structure of your marriage.
 
Good luck to both of you. If there's anything I can address with whatever questions that might come, give me a shout..

I don't think there's much to it to become a submissive person.

[acrzybear]

you shut up and listen. It may be a new experience.............

  There's a first time for everything
For some reason I don't see BillyB taking this option, after all he is the Alpha male and if his wife knows what is good for her she will be submissive and never question him.   

[ML]

I agree totally. It's the mark of a real man when they aren't ashamed of what they say in public and can share it with their family. And if they are ashamed or reticent, then they should ask themselves if they should be saying it in the first place.

Do these forums really qualify as 'public' in the same sense as an easily recognized member of some community standing up before a group and telling his/her story?

Yes, we can call it public since it is open to the public, but most here are completely unknown to other posters and always will be, so it really isn't quite the same thing.

I think many, in addition to sharing useful info, view forums as a place to blow off steam and thus say things that they really don't have strong feelings about one way or another.  In some cases it may not represent their true feelings at all, but rather some hair-brained idea that just cropped up, or even the desire to be controversial.

Those who do share their posts here with their mates probably don't 'let loose' as much as those who don't share; so it would be a mistake to infer that those in the former group are somehow better men.  This former group may have another outlet where they 'let loose' but we just don't know about it.

[Ade]

Do these forums really qualify as 'public' in the same sense as an easily recognized member of some community standing up before a group and telling his/her story?

Yes, we can call it public since it is open to the public, but most here are completely unknown to other posters and always will be, so it really isn't quite the same thing.

I think many, in addition to sharing useful info, view forums as a place to blow off steam and thus say things that they really don't have strong feelings about one way or another.  In some cases it may not represent their true feelings at all, but rather some hair-brained idea that just cropped up, or even the desire to be controversial.

Those who do share their posts here with their mates probably don't 'let loose' as much as those who don't share; so it would be a mistake to infer that those in the former group are somehow better men.  This former group may have another outlet where they 'let loose' but we just don't know about it.

Some of us have nothing to hide and nothing to be ashamed of no matter how much we "let off steam". Why marry a woman you can't be yourself with absolutely?

[BC]

Those who do share their posts here with their mates probably don't 'let loose' as much as those who don't share; so it would be a mistake to infer that those in the former group are somehow better men.  This former group may have another outlet where they 'let loose' but we just don't know about it.

Maybe it's even more simple.. Something like respect.

[Jumper]

Maybe she just wanted to see the house..
and have some ideas about decorating it?
 Its unlikely she would have wasted much time on doing anything about it ?
Simply excited and interested about a place she was flying to, to live?
 
She would likely review any vacation destination- hotel- resort- photos before a trip as well.
 
So it seems a bit odd to refuse to send photos billy,
how she used her least days in Ukranie really isn't up to you..
 she's an adult right?
Did you give her a bedtime? or could she chose when to prepare and what sleep she needed before the flight?
 
 
The photo thing seems pretty minor,
 but it just gives an odd vibe.
 
*can a see photos of the house?*
 
*no , i sent some before and a prefer you spend your time otherwise, in a way I find more productive and good for you..
i'm only thinking of you*
 
 
 
I wish *A* luck..
 
 
you'll be fine regardless, as you've made clear in this thread.
 

[GQBlues]

I don't think there's much to it to become a submissive person.

I didn't give much creedence to that silly statement on this thread to begin with, Muzh. Just like the rest of them i.e. semen as dental care and all the rest in between.
 
I can only hope you didn't either.

[Muzh]

I didn't give much creedence to that silly statement on this thread to begin with, Muzh. Just like the rest of them i.e. semen as dental care and all the rest in between.
 
I can only hope you didn't either.

I guess you know him quite well.
 
Time will tell. Not that I give a flying fig.

[GQBlues]

I guess you know him quite well.

No, I actually do not. I've known of the BillyB online persona for some time now but never the person behind it. The whole Alpha male bravado told here is likely more wishful thinking than true...'I think therefore I am' material to me.
 

Time will tell....

Agreed. I hope it'll be time well spent for everyone involved.