Anna & Marina from Anastasia

[Ade]

I don't think I was hard on Phil. I really don't think he need to be so vindictive towards the woman he willingly sent $300 to. She probably took the measily amount of cash and ended the relationship thinking Phil is greedy. A scammer wouldn't run away from a man who is sending cash. Anja would probably milk him for more money and tell him to come back and visit to continue the relationship. Get him thinking marriage and hit him for the big bucks. I think Anja wanted to end the relationship because she was not happy with Phil. Phil is upset about it and was hoping for more of course, when he didn't get it, he posts her photos on the net and tells what she did..... more than 2 years after they met. If Anja continued the relationship after Phil sent the $300, Phil would not be here today. Phil would be in love with her. It didn't happen so now she's a scammer. :noidea:

FWIW, not much given the little real information anyone has, I would tend to side with Billy on this (and that doesn't happen often). I think some men are far too quick to label a woman as a scammer after they've been dumped - if she had been a scammer she'd have strung him along for a lot longer.

[KenC]

FWIW, not much given the little real information anyone has, I would tend to side with Billy on this (and that doesn't happen often). I think some men are far too quick to label a woman as a scammer after they've been dumped - if she had been a scammer she'd have strung him along for a lot longer.

Geez, I think that is the first time you ever took the lady's side.

 
KenC

[Ade]

Geez, I think that is the first time you ever took the lady's side.

 
KenC

What? You calling Billy a lady?

 

[Gylden]

Phil,
I have to agree with you, you most likely got scammed, at the very least she was dishonest and not sincere. There are plenty of Anna's/Marina's/Olga's/Natasha's (and Becky's, Debby's, Jane's (AM)), etc. out there, whether they are scammers, or just plain not nice girls, will leave a man with a bitter "been used" feeling. This is nothing new to the dating scene anywhere in the world, including the good ol US of A. In the FSU with such disparity among society, it is maybe just more common than in the more prosperous lands, which is also nothing new, as anyone with experience in other poorer countries can attest to.

As KenC has pointed out, this is something that happened quite a while ago, from your own posts.  You were used and you stated that you are no idiot and are a sceptical kind of guy, so the chances are these women will behave the same anyway and if even a savvy guy like you can fall prey, so will many others in your wake. Now that you have posted your warning, try to let it go and forget about it and share some of your other stories if you care to, we need to hear the good and the bad..LOL and maybe the ugly now and again.

The internet is FULL of disclaimers about this pursuit of foreign women, yet men still succumb to getting used time and time again. Just when you let your guard down and decide to have a little faith in a woman, is the most vulnerable time, but as SJ makes the point. without to have a little trust in someone, is just as destructive to developing a relationship as is too much paranoia.

 

[Phil101]

ha ha lads,if you're real & will visit the FSU then learn from others mistakes,if the girl you're seeing first meets you in dowdy clothes yet over the months starts dressing in designer wear whilst becoming immensely 'fit' when its not at your expense start having a think about where she is getting it from.......
She is probably a pro so learn from the mistakes from others.
Of course you can just sit & read this diatribe all day & never venture forth but consider yourself an 'expert' because you've read it on the net from other so called 'experts' who've never seen the spires of the Kremlin or the beauty of the Mari'insky Park overlooking the Dnipro on a hot June day whilst sharing a cold beer from one of the sellers.....

[Doll]

Phil, I am  a RW myself, very real  
I've read your posts and don't think Anna is a scammer. Ok, a little tiny bit with the last money she took.
I don't think this is the reason to post her picture and full name here. Also, can anybody explain me what it has to do with Marina (whose name and pictures are posted?)
  

[Gylden]

Phil,

If you don't want to use a little money gambling, then don't go to the casino. I don't think anyone (most anyone) thinks that you were not used. We have heard this exact story umpteen times and most can relate to what happened to you. The risk just comes with the turf. It might not have happened to you (that last amount of money that you sent her, if you would have been researching and thinking a bit at the time). What exactly was going through your mind, when after months of two liner emails you suddenly got a long sweet email, which concluded with a request for more money?? It is a classic.

It's good that you shared your story with us, but quite honestly no names are necessary, in fact IMO it is a bit classless. Just to be straight with you.

Doll,
I think he is giving the name of the terp. because he feels she was involved with the "scam" but it is definetly not a gentleman thing to do IMO.

[Fashionista]

I would have to agree with BillyB, Doll and others here. I don't see a scammer here. Maybe not your type of honest, Phil, but dating is gray area, and we don't know what happened. Maybe she liked you in the begining and then she liked someone else. The agency will of course agree with you becase you are a client, not her. I can understand that people can get angry if their expectations and even heart gets brocken, but that's not a reason to start posting nasty things with names and pictures on internet. It just isn't cool at all and may backfire too. You also have a real name and not be a perfect person according to somebody's standards. And their is Russian internet that you cannot read... You don't want to wage this kind of war and ruin your chances with other people, unless you realyy know what you are doing. Otherwise, if you are just venting, share it with friends, count to 10 or even better, to 1000, and move on.

[Doll]

because he feels

Feels? Feeling is just assumptions, posting real names and pictures (also, almost the address) is not nice.
It can affect this interpreter's job as well.

[Faux Pas]

Billy,
Would you feel better if Phil called her a whore or a hooker?  Based on your logic here, that is what she is.  I think "scammer" is more than appropriate (and kinder).
KenC

KenC, there's likely some whores or hookers that would take exception to that   Phil's story IMO doesn't hold up to the litmus test as him being scammed. He is welcome to provide more information that might lead one to believe otherwise if he were so inclined. I'm with Billy here. Looks an awful lot like dude was dumped and has an axe to grind. He is even blaming an interpreter because he paid her too much. Then he calls her a hooker because she dresses on one trip, in his opinion frumpy and sexy the next. Sending her money which he agreed to by WU for english lessons? Something just smells bad here. He's talking about $600 bucks like it's 10 Grand.

[Gylden]

Doll,

Yes you got it right...Feels....but feelings are not an assumptions, they are emotions and we all have them and I highly doubt that anyones job is in danger just because of a couple of posts on some forum. Now if there have been MANY complaints about her services from a variety of sources, then her job might be at risk.

As it seems clear Phil is over reacting a bit, it is just as bad to over react in the other direction. But you are right it is not a nice thing to do and two wrongs don't make a right.

 

The woman is not so innocent as well. If she was not happy with him and/or was planning to dump him, it was at the least VERY dishonest to ask him for money, regardless if it wasn't a fortune or not.

[Maniac999]

 Phil, your status indicating, that you are committed now.
Sorry for your fiance.Early or lately you will post her portrait and surname in here or somewhere like this.
That's evident.
PS.Absolutely agree with Billy - please, tell us more about ''sexual scam''

[Faux Pas]

Doll,

Yes you got it right...Feels....but feelings are not an assumptions, they are emotions and we all have them and I highly doubt that anyones job is in danger just because of a couple of posts on some forum. Now if there have been MANY complaints about her services from a variety of sources, then her job might be at risk.

As it seems clear Phil is over reacting a bit, it is just as bad to over react in the other direction. But you are right it is not a nice thing to do and two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Gylden what might shed some light on this up would be a better definition of a scammer. That definition is very subjective and what is likely to fuel this thread to go around and around in a continuous circle. We know of stories where guys made multiple trips spent thousands of dollars on gifts and other incidentals and never got more than a kiss on the cheek and still sent cash regularly. Those guys were "scammed". Phil made a few trips, got boinked, ate at some expensive restaurants had a woman he obviously had some feelings for but communication from her was just a few short emails. You don't see anything wrong with this picture?

[Gylden]

Faux Pas,

You probably haven't read all of my posts about this. Of course I see something wrong with this and I have stated so. I am just amazed at the "Arm Chair Quarterbacking" Phil is a big boy and I am sure he understands you have to "pay to play" and it seems clear he is over reacting. If we are to judge others from the comfort of our keyboards, let's give a little benefit of the doubt and if she indeed did lose interest (two liner emails) and then send a long warm letter asking for money and subsequently disappear I wouldn't say she was just a poor missunderstood girl either.  Anyway this is all conjecture based on what Phil has said.

 

[Gylden]

Oh and I will say it again, non of this warrants the posting of names. IMO it is not gentleman like. 

 

Phil went through the ringer here (emotionally), I suggest we show a little sympathy and help him get back on track and see the fault in posting names and with identifying what went wrong.

[Doll]

but feelings are not an assumptions

Yes, they are.

[Gylden]

Horosho..

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pas,

You probably haven't read all of my posts about this. Of course I see something wrong with this and I have stated so.

Yes I read all of your posts in this thread. You also said Phil was most likely scammed. If not, I stand corrected.

I am just amazed at the "Arm Chair Quarterbacking" Phil is a big boy and I am sure he understands you have to "pay to play" and it seems clear he is over reacting. If we are to judge others from the comfort of our keyboards, let's give a little benefit of the doubt and if she indeed did lose interest (two liner emails) and then send a long warm letter asking for money and subsequently disappear I wouldn't say she was just a poor missunderstood girl either.  Anyway this is all conjecture based on what Phil has said.

 

This is a forum. Thats what we do is armchair quarterback   It doesn't seem clear that Phil understands the pay to play concept here. By his own admission he agreed to pay for the woman's english lessons. Then it appears he had second thoughts based on her short uninteresting emails that didn't profess her undying love but, he sent another $300 anyway.

I give the woman no pass here. Unlikely we will ever know her side of the story. I really don't even care about her side however, Phil's side has a lot of loose ends. We've seen may of guys trot through here with a story expecting sympathy and understanding yet refusing to see where they dropped the ball. From his side of the story IMO, the woman is not a scammer.

[Gylden]

Faux Pas,
You are correct, IMO he was most likely scammed because of the months of two liner e-mails before a long sweet e-mail asking for more money and the subsequent disappearance. We can argue semantics here until the sun goes out, but it won't accomplish much. Big scam, little scam, as you say there isn't any real clear definition of what a scam is. But IMO her dishonesty along with the request for money and disappearance is at the very least very dishonest and puts it in the small scam area to me.   As you point out, we only have part of the picture, so your guess is as good as mine, maybe different, but just as valid.

All said and done...I think we all agree...not cool to post names and pictures in this case.

[Doll]

Gylden, there are situations when women don't "request" money like," Honey, you need English lessons (food, clothing), I could help you"
Exactly how it was between my present husband and me. Actually he said,"I have to help you". BTW there was no guarantee we would get married.

[GregfromGa]

Some of you are failing to grasp one important aspect of this situation. Phil did get to see the woman nekked and with that I'm just not quite sure that the full 100% scammer label should go into effect. Did the girl toy with his emotions? Yes. Did she lie about the money? Yes. Were others involved? It seems they might have been. I think Phil is just trying to protect future posters from falling prey to ole gal. Maybe he's a little bitter and understandably so. I really don't know where to form my opinion on this case. I'm going to need more details in order to form a more professional diagnosis. Phil, do you have anymore revealing pictures of the girl? Can you elaborate on the sex? I want to be on your side. Help me help you. I need more details.

[JohnDearGreen]

She also changed her appearance massively(& not at my expense) in this time from losing lots of weight to the way she dressed & we would also meet alone despite our obvious communication difficulties...
 
So when the time came & Anna asked me to help her because she wanted to learn English(so we didn't have to have Marina present to speak properly)I felt this to be a fair request & didnt refuse $30 a lesson for 20 lessons(I have now found out that the standard rate is about $15 a lesson in Kiev).

It is not unusual for a ladies appearance to change.  My Moscow girlfriend lookly like a shapely Natalie Wood on out 1st meeting with full makeup and dyed hair, a 9.8/10.  A coulple of days later without so much makeup, she had her natural auburn hair and looked quite a bit different, 8/10.
After the 2nd trip, she also talked about starting English lessons.   Our interpreter friend way out in the suburbs taught for $10/hour.  She said a man in the adjacent apartment building in her ritzy Moscow neighborhood was teaching for $30/hour.  I moved on and didn't buy either.

I had a lunch date in Kyiv with an extremely attractive lady (recently discussed Iolanta).  5 minutes after meeting she says to me "I have a good job at the Ukraine Palace.  My parents are successful performers in the theatre.  I have no desire to make a move to a lower social class."  I didn't see her again (inbox full, voicemail full).

You can gamble at the $2 table or at the $100 table.  Find a level where you can sleep nights without worrying about it.  I don't regret meeting either lady.

[Gylden]

Doll, of course I understand, I sent my wife a reasonable sum of money even before we ever met. (I know it breaks one of the commandments, but I was pretty sure about her and assumed the risk) Not that she needed the money, she was actually doing very well financially, just it was my intention to pay for the major expenses involving our meetings and travel.

Unlike Phil (receiving two liner e-mails for some months), I was in constant contact with her..daily...telephone, text msgs, e-mails, chat, you name it.

[GQBlues]

Merriam-type online dictionary defines 'scam':

a) A contrived scheme or process designed to surreptitiously, deceitfully and materially benefit the perpetrator(s) at the expense of the victim(s).

b) To defraud; swindle.

"...I was scammed...."

Urbanspeak defines it as:

a) To make-out heavily using the tongue that goes beyond just kissing.

b) Making out hardcore.

"...wanna scam?..."

Pidgeontalk defines it as:

a) To abruptly depart, vacate, leave a scene, location, or situation with little or no explanation.

b) Disappear from a place or situation.

"....Let's scam outtahere...."

Therefore your honour, based on all definitions, the plaintiff was in fact scammed!   

[Gylden]

Faux Pas,

If the semantics of calling it a scam worries you we can just say she took advantage of his generosity under false pretenses and drop the use of the word scam. I really don't like the word scam anyway.