New guy in need of direction

[fabiodriven]

Why the delay? Skype is even much easier and cheaper than a phone call. If you have hooked up on facebook could have already been Skyping. Heavy communications? It doesn't sound very heavy fabio  :noidea:

Easy boy- For a quiet young girl who barely said "boo" at first we have been talking a lot lately. We talked on Facebook chat yesterday while I was at work, but we got interrupted when I got a customer. We were supposed to skype today, but I am leaving work early to meet a friend this evening and I don't think I will have time to do it today. I might have time, but I won't know until I leave work. Is that ok with you?   

[Gylden]

Russia is easy to travel.  Drop off passport and 165 bucks at gotorussia.. wait 10 days.. pick up passport with visa..

staying in hotel?  they register..

staying in apartment?  technically the apartment owner is supposed to register you.. but thye don't because they don't want to pay the tax.

Pay gotorussia another 45 are you are registered..

or.. don't register at all.. this will be my third trip.. i did not register either time before.

So.. what's the big deal? 

Ukraine has more people willing to leave for the wrong reasons.  IMO.  There would always be some lingering doubt in my mind.. "does she really love me or did she really want to get out of Ukraine?"  With Russia, that really isn't an issue.. people aren't lining up to leave like they used to. 

Well said, simple and true, although the type I am I would make sure I was registered.
 

[Faux Pas]

Easy boy- For a quiet young girl who barely said "boo" at first we have been talking a lot lately. We talked on Facebook chat yesterday while I was at work, but we got interrupted when I got a customer. We were supposed to skype today, but I am leaving work early to meet a friend this evening and I don't think I will have time to do it today. I might have time, but I won't know until I leave work. Is that ok with you?   

If you're scared fabio, just say so. Not a big deal really but while you avoid really talking to her somebody else might not be. You are much easier to read than you think.

[I/O]

Ever seen a kid learning to walk, they stagger around with their hands outstretched to keep their balance with everyone watching going goo gah.........................

[SFandEE]

Ukraine has more people willing to leave for the wrong reasons.  IMO.  There would always be some lingering doubt in my mind.. "does she really love me or did she really want to get out of Ukraine?"  With Russia, that really isn't an issue.. people aren't lining up to leave like they used to. 

I have not seen this challenged by those who have dated/prospected in both countries.  I am not sure I would say Ukraine has women with more reason to leave than Russian Sculpto, but my volume of expertise in dating in both countries is less than others.  Perhaps you can expand (for those who worry about off topic in this response to comment, maybe worth another thread) I do agree with a friend who has a lot of exposure to both countries and different regions of both countries that each area has a different "vibe" which might influence why you would choose one area over another.

For example--Manhattan, Miami, Chicago, and San Francisco are all unique American cities, you might find the same for Moscow, Odessa, Kyiv, and St. Petersburg as having unique cultures from each other in FSU.

[Gylden]

I have not seen this challenged by those who have dated/prospected in both countries.  I am not sure I would say Ukraine has women with more reason to leave than Russian Sculpto, but my volume of expertise in dating in both countries is less than others.  Perhaps you can expand (for those who worry about off topic in this response to comment, maybe worth another thread) I do agree with a friend who has a lot of exposure to both countries and different regions of both countries that each area has a different "vibe" which might influence why you would choose one area over another.

For example--Manhattan, Miami, Chicago, and San Francisco are all unique American cities, you might find the same for Moscow, Odessa, Kyiv, and St. Petersburg as having unique cultures from each other in FSU.

I can expand on it a bit. Look at the refusal rates for visas for the two different countries.
Ukraine = 36% and Russia = 4%

[SFandEE]

I can expand on it a bit. Look at the refusal rates for visas for the two different countries.
Ukraine = 36% and Russia = 4%

This would be the refusal rate for the "marriage visa" or others as well?

[Gylden]

The B1 Tourist/bussiness visa.

[fabiodriven]

If you're scared fabio, just say so. Not a big deal really but while you avoid really talking to her somebody else might not be. You are much easier to read than you think.

I don't know what your problem is Faux Pas, but I will say this. I have received numerous PM's from members of this forum telling me to ignore the riff-raff. You, my friend, are the riff raff. I appreciate all the information from the people replying to this thread, but your last couple of posts have done nothing more than call me out. As we all know, there is no sense in getting fired up about an internet tough guy because I will never have the chance to beat your old ass. So I'm just going to stay calm and ignore you until you have something relevant to add to this discussion. Perhaps the moderators on this forum are not as strict as the ones I am used to when it comes to trolling/baiting.

On a side note, there is a good chance I will be Skyping with this girl today or tomorrow, and not because grampa is telling me to. 

[Aliya]

Let us know how it goes, we all got our fingers crossed for you;) Good luck!

[Faux Pas]

Ever seen a kid learning to walk, they stagger around with their hands outstretched to keep their balance with everyone watching going goo gah.........................

And nobody more impressed with the steps than the baby itself.

I don't know what your problem is Faux Pas, but I will say this. I have received numerous PM's from members of this forum telling me to ignore the riff-raff. You, my friend, are the riff raff. I appreciate all the information from the people replying to this thread, but your last couple of posts have done nothing more than call me out. As we all know, there is no sense in getting fired up about an internet tough guy because I will never have the chance to beat your old ass. So I'm just going to stay calm and ignore you until you have something relevant to add to this discussion. Perhaps the moderators on this forum are not as strict as the ones I am used to when it comes to trolling/baiting.

On a side note, there is a good chance I will be Skyping with this girl today or tomorrow, and not because grampa is telling me to. 

Relax Alice and don't get your panties in a wad. I apologize if you got your little feelings hurt

[Admin]

Easy does it folks. Try to remember this is the 'shallow end' of the pool, and new members are expected to sometimes ask questions the vets may consider old-hat or downright silly. Give some latitude for the learning curve.

- Dan

[Boethius]

I don't know what your problem is Faux Pas, but I will say this. I have received numerous PM's from members of this forum telling me to ignore the riff-raff. You, my friend, are the riff raff. I appreciate all the information from the people replying to this thread, but your last couple of posts have done nothing more than call me out. As we all know, there is no sense in getting fired up about an internet tough guy because I will never have the chance to beat your old ass. So I'm just going to stay calm and ignore you until you have something relevant to add to this discussion. Perhaps the moderators on this forum are not as strict as the ones I am used to when it comes to trolling/baiting.

On a side note, there is a good chance I will be Skyping with this girl today or tomorrow, and not because grampa is telling me to.  

Hmm.  I haven't read anything FP posted that required moderation, though I agree with Dan's comments.

Remember fabio, all those PM's describing others as the "riff raff" are from "riff raff" who don't have the guts to post their opinions openly.

[Turboguy]

If you're scared fabio, just say so. Not a big deal really but while you avoid really talking to her somebody else might not be. You are much easier to read than you think.

I have just reread the last few pages trying to see what in the world would give you the impression he was scared of anything and I can't see it.  ManLooking seems to worry a bit about the visa but I haven't seen anything but good questions from Fabio. 

We all wonder around in the dark when we start this process and only after a lot of experience do we really realize how dumb we were when we started.  I was at it for a decade before I found RWD and this place made an amazing difference in how much I really knew about what I was doing.

As far as the visa's to Russia go, there really isn't anything to it.  It is not a big deal.  I would recommend that the $ 40.00 or so extra it costs to have an agency such as GoToRussia do the visa is money well spent.  It saves fooling around with the inviation.  You just go to their website and fill out the form online and pay.  Then you send them your Passport and it comes back with the visa in it.  If you stay in a hotel they will register your visa for you.  If you change cities and are in another city for more than 3 days you are supposed to register there as well.  Truthfully, I never did.  If there was one stamp on my visa they never asked any questions and just sent me though.  I have been to Russia around 20 times and never a problem.

As far as Russia vs. Ukraine there are pros and cons both ways.  Russia is a vast country.  I recall my early days of searching before there was an internet and I would find that I had good prospects in St Petersburg, Vladivivstok and Omsk and when I looked on the map doing a trip like that would have been nearly impossible.  In Ukraine you can hit any cities you want much easier.  An hour and a half plane ride gets you anywhere.

There have been a lot of polls on RWD covering a lot of topics.  One of the things I noticed in a couple of the polls is that about 60-65 percent of the guys who travel pick Ukraine mostly because of the visa.  Yet in another poll that showed where the married men found their wives about 60-65 percent of the men have found their wife in Russia.  Now it seems to me that if most of the wives come from where most of the guys don't go the best shot might be going where guys have had the best luck.  I found my wife in Russia as well.

I want to wish you the best of luck with this gal and I hope you are able to talk on Skype.  If it doesn't work out there are a lot of great women in the FSU so don't get discouraged.

[fabiodriven]

Thank you very much for your advice and the well wishes Turboguy. Very much appreciated.

[Dave13]

Hope you enjoy this journey, its a blast, if you make the trip, just relax and enjoy, at the very least you will have a great vacation and maybe meet some interesting ladies.

Dave

[SFandEE]

I used Go to Russia for apartment housing in Moscow--mixed experience.  In order to resolve a problem they created I had to go to their office which was several miles from the city center--it was during a time of massive congestion, if I recall I think they had a electrical station blow up.  What a day--that was a lost day in Moscow.

The apartment was nice though--I can't remember if I used them for the visa, I do remember it went well, but was expensive due to rush.

[SFandEE]

The B1 Tourist/bussiness visa.

Very interesting Glyden thanks.  Both of these numbers are surprisingly low to me for tourist visas.  I had thought the denial for tourist visas would be almost 100 percent for Ukraine.  Not questioning the source, but would love to have it in order to better educate myself.

So I imagine that single women from Russia are far more likely to get a tourist visa to USA than Ukraine since a 4% denial percentage seems generous to me for the citizen from any country trying to visit USA.

[Turboguy]

I used GoToRussia a couple of times for my visa but usually used russia-visa.com.  I only ever saw one problem and that was for someone who was a friend who was going to meet me in Kiev.  The visa place did fine but FedEx messed up the shipment and sent it to the wrong depot.  The visa place worked hard to get it fixed and he got it just in the nick of time.  They do a great job with the visas and to me it is worth the very small extra payment.

[I/O]

Remember fabio, all those PM's describing others as the "riff raff" are from "riff raff"

The lady nailed it.

And nobody more impressed with the steps than the baby itself.

Indeed, and it is still kinda cute to watch until or if the baby falls down once or twice, throws a tantrum and starts slapping it's hands on the floor in frustration.

[groovlstk]

Hope you enjoy this journey, its a blast, if you make the trip, just relax and enjoy, at the very least you will have a great vacation and maybe meet some interesting ladies.

Dave

Yeah, what Dave said x2. Don't put a lot of pressure on yourself, have fun and as you're soaking in the details remember your adventures are something you can entertain people with for years.

FWIW, my wife is from Russia but if I were just starting out I'd choose Ukraine for a first visit (knowing my chances of finding someone I'd like enough to visit again were very slim + the admittedly minor convenience of not needing a visa.)

[Daveman]

As we all know, there is no sense in getting fired up about an internet tough guy because I will never have the chance to beat your old ass.

Interesting.  Do you really think he's being an "internet tough guy" with a few questions about your communication?  Listen man, you met a friend on face book, are about to talk with her for the first time. You are extremely new to this and everything may not be exactly what it seems. You already admitted that you basically suffer from a "wife vacancy" or "relationship vacancy" with your co-dependency thing.  That kind of attitude in this venture kinda puts your ass on a platter ready to be handed back to you to begin with (at the very least women can SENSE this and it paints a gargantuan target squarely on your back).  So, relax... 

So I'm just going to stay calm and ignore you until you have something relevant to add to this discussion. Perhaps the moderators on this forum are not as strict as the ones I am used to when it comes to trolling/baiting.

That depends on whether you grease our pockets with protection money.  Nothing in my PayPal box yet..    We've learned the ways of the dark side... how about this quick freebie??

Faux Pas   :crackthewhip:   better?   :evil: 

Fabio, remember the "thicker skin" comments from earlier in the thread? 

On a side note, there is a good chance I will be Skyping with this girl today or tomorrow, and not because grampa is telling me to. 

First Kuna got under your skin, now Faux Pas..  the one thing they have in common is that they give sound advice, AND both are currently married and living with RW.... think about that...

It IS important to talk...  and talk a lot if you plan on visiting just this one lady (someday if it goes there)...  just relax brother... everyone really does try to help...

Dave

[ECOCKS]

I don't know what your problem is Faux Pas, but I will say this. I have received numerous PM's from members of this forum telling me to ignore the riff-raff. You, my friend, are the riff raff. I appreciate all the information from the people replying to this thread, but your last couple of posts have done nothing more than call me out. As we all know, there is no sense in getting fired up about an internet tough guy because I will never have the chance to beat your old ass. So I'm just going to stay calm and ignore you until you have something relevant to add to this discussion. Perhaps the moderators on this forum are not as strict as the ones I am used to when it comes to trolling/baiting.

On a side note, there is a good chance I will be Skyping with this girl today or tomorrow, and not because grampa is telling me to. 

That sort of attitude indicates a severe lack of judgment and common sense on your part. Aside from your crudeness and own need to come across as a "tough guy" it shows your inability to accept advice or criticism after you ask for it.

[fabiodriven]

Once again, thanks all for the good advice. Even though this thread has taken its share of twists and turns, there obviously is plenty of great advice in here.

I have come to the realization that there has been a whole lot of examination of me in this thread by a lot of you. Yet not one of you knows me personally. I understand very well that this is a huge step to take in life and in order for it to work I must truly know myself, what I want, and what any potential wife may be looking for. Believe me when I tell you all that there is plenty of soul searching going on, and plenty of consideration into what I am going to do. I am a middle class guy, but fairly successful in life when compared to my peers. I didn't get this way because I am hap-hazard, careless or stupid.

I do love the advice this forum has provided and the direction it has sent me and I thank you all for that. With that being said, I would appreciate it if I could get a little less judgment, assumptions, and predictions on who I am, my intentions, and what I am going to do. I did ask for direction, yes. Criticism is expected, but like I said- none of you really know me and know who I am.

I have never before seen a forum with such a quiet, behind the scenes group. The ones who don't post and they send PM's. I'm sure all you veterans are blind to it, but you really should take a step back and look at how you talk to people. I got completely sized up yesterday via PM by somebody who doesn't even know what I look like let alone know anything at all about me. He couldn't have been more off the mark when he was describing me to myself. It actually made me laugh out loud that somebody could think they had me all figured out after being on a forum for a week.

A lot of you think you have me all figured out. That's fine. I'm going to keep my cool and take all the useful information I can from this forum whilst ignoring the more negative stuff, helpful as it may supposedly be.

Thank you all again.

[ECOCKS]

PM's are just one tool for feedback. You might consider that the person who did so used PM's in an effort to provide you discrete but well-intentioned advice.

Yes there are people here who provide questionable, even poor advice. It happens. Sort out the gems and nuggets, throw away the dirt clods and mud.

Of course we don't know you or the woman/women in question, the challenge there is that you control the level of detail you provide us to consider our advice as to your options which you requested. Rather than threaten someone with virtual bravado and physical attack just take the advice (which in this case mostly concerned a functional suggestion rather than an attack on your manhood or intelligence) and either reject it as of no use or consider it for action.