Is DM (Dream Mariage) a scam?

[falcon]

Sent an inquiry to DM regarding this info on Jim's agencyscam site;
http://agencyscams.com/Why/dream-marriage-agency.html

Received the following reply from DM this morning;

RE: Is DM a scam?
Hello ,

Thank you for contacting Dream Marriage Customer Service and addressing your concerns with us. We can assure you that our company is legitimate and our operation is real, meaning that our female members have real intentions of finding someone and using an online dating agency is a great way to meet potential matches.

Concerning the lies posted on Jim`s sites (agencyscams.com and jimslists.com), we have attempted to contact him for months (at first with no response from him) requesting that we are removed from his site. When he finally did respond (literally after months of contacting him on a regular basis), despite the fact that we were nothing more than professional and polite, he was uncooperative, rude, and insulting.

The barrage of attacks and libel posted on his site against us are opinionated, unproven lies. He has pinpointed us because we are one of the few sites who have decided not to lay down and submit to his abuse. We are no more scammers than the agencies he recommends to his readers. Rather, he is out to destroy our reputation for ulterior reasons. He doesn`t prove his statements, he states his theory and opinions. Neither did he give us a chance to defend our reputation. There are many statements on Jim`s scam sites that we could individually pick apart and prove to be nothing more than lies, which when given the time to do so, we may very well do that. In the meanwhile, please feel free to ask whatever question you may have concerning what is published on his site.

Additionally, he is paid commissions for recommending clients to agencies on his Gold list. And although the agencies on his Gold list receive complaints (this can be looked up on your search Engine - Google or Yahoo or MSN) he doesn`t post one of their client complaints on his site. This is why his site is biased. He only tells the public what he wants them to see and the influencing factor is whether or not there is money in it for him. He has a different agenda than what he manipulates the public to think, and that is to make money with agencies willing to pay him.

Concerning the ex-clients who posted the statements on Jim`s List... Unfortunately, I don`t know who they are but I do know that for the most part, they didn`t bother to write us before they jumped to conclusions. Had they have written to us, we would`ve researched the issue and if the statement had have been true, we would have corrected the situation and compensated our clients. We do NOT tolerate scams or fraud in any way whatsoever.

Moreover, we don`t create bogus profiles. We don`t pay the ladies compensation in any form whatsoever. We don`t write letters or send letters on behalf of our lady members. We sincerely are here to provide a service to help our clients (both male and female) find happiness.

Also, please bear in mind that the relationships with the lady members unfortunately cannot be guaranteed. I have experienced throughout my career with working in this industry that it is true that scamming does occur. We do our very best to prevent scamming from occurring with the members on our site. However, I have also discovered in my career that many members are skeptical and believe that they are scammed almost every time a relationship fails. And this is definitely not the case at all.

It is possible for the men and women on our site to change their minds and lose interest the same as what commonly occurs when dating women face to face in your country. Misunderstandings and events as well take place that sometimes cause our members to grow suspicious of one another. For these reasons, we`re here to do our best in resolving these situations. And in the very unfortunate event we determine that a member has been scammed, we make sure he is compensated for what he spent communicating with the lady member on our site. If the agency is involved, we discontinue our partnership with them. And of course, the lady member is also removed from our site.

As well, please consider that many of our clients have successfully met a genuine lady here and have been able to start a relationship (can be confirmed on our testimonials page). We have even secured 4 marriage testimonials in the last year. Additionally, if this helps, we have over 50,000 active members, most of which are happy with the services we have provided. What you have seen posted on the internet have come from the few who are unhappy.

There is no smoke and mirrors or any con game we`re playing with our clients. We DO NOT scam or fraud our clients in any way, neither do we tolerate any scam activity on our site. We take full responsibility for our site and for our clients. We stand behind the legitimacy of our company. We are an honest company. And there aren`t any ulterior motives behind our operation. We can assure you that if you contact us and address your concerns with us, we are there for you every step of the way, 100% of the time. We answer questions and we resolve issues. Lastly, it is how we conduct our business and the responsibility we take for our clients that should determine the legitimacy of our company and the true motive to our clients.

We truly believe it is possible to find love here. We truly are desirous of helping others find their true match! Once again, thank you for addressing your concerns with us and please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
Shyrah
Customer Support
Dream Marriage


PS: Whoops! Almost forgot. Please review our Anti-Scam Protection Policy to view exactly what it is we`re doing to combat scammers and scamming from taking place on our site. Our Anti-Scam Protection Policy can be found at the following link.
http://www.dream-marriage.com/anti_scam.php

[Shadow]

50.000 members and 4 marriages....

[Vinnvinny]

50.000 members and 4 marriages....

If fairness Shadow, that's 4 more than some.

[falcon]

It's obviously impossible to get accurat stats on this, unless the agency receives feedback from every single couple who got hooked up through them....

[BillyB]

Falcon, are you thinking about using that agency? I'm sure they have no control over what feeder agencies do based on their setup. Although there are some people who hate Jim from Agencyscams, he does get the most mail from men who tried every agency out there. There's a difference between a disgruntled customer and a customer that has a valid complaint. Many of the guys sending their reports to him have valid complaints. Best give yourself the best chance of success and do business elsewhere.

[Shadow]

It's obviously impossible to get accurat stats on this, unless the agency receives feedback from every single couple who got hooked up through them....

The best way for any agency to gather statistics would be to check the amount and reason of cancellations of membership.

[falcon]

Falcon, are you thinking about using that agency? I'm sure they have no control over what feeder agencies do based on their setup. Although there are some people who hate Jim from Agencyscams, he does get the most mail from men who tried every agency out there. There's a difference between a disgruntled customer and a customer that has a valid complaint. Many of the guys sending their reports to him have valid complaints. Best give yourself the best chance of success and do business elsewhere.

The problem is that the forums are always full of people who have something to complain about. Those who are happy, don't usually bother posting anything. So the value of the information found is rather lopsided (negative slant) for any outsider who happens read the posts. One bad apple may spoil the bunch...

And as many of us know, an average guy may need 10 good reasons to pursue something, but only on bad reason to turn it down... 

[groovlstk]

The problem is that the forums are always full of people who have something to complain about. Those who are happy, don't usually bother posting anything. So the value of the information found is rather lopsided (negative slant) for any outsider who happens read the posts. One bad apple may spoil the bunch...

And as many of us know, an average guy may need 10 good reasons to pursue something, but only on bad reason to turn it down... 

One bad apple? You're talking about one of the most corrupt industries on the planet. A PR campaign of success stories isn't going to change that.

[BillyB]

The problem is that the forums are always full of people who have something to complain about. Those who are happy, don't usually bother posting anything. So the value of the information found is rather lopsided (negative slant) for any outsider who happens read the posts. One bad apple may spoil the bunch...

I wouldn't say the value of information is lopsided and not everybody has something to complain about. You've focused on the companies that get complaints and it's happy customers are sitting at home not on the forum to speak out but what about dating sites and agencies that get little or no complaints and their happy customers are sitting at home not on the forum? Isn't it obvious that some agencies receive complaints non stop because of unethical practices and other agencies are not screwing their customers over and thus get little or no complaints?

[MrSquirrel]

Well boys,

Try this

Age:   73
City:   -
Country:   Afghanistan
Birth Date:   March 06, 1937
Zodiac:   Pisces
Height:   4' 2'' (127 cm)
Weight:   223 lbs (101 kg)
Eyes:   brown
Hair:   blond
Occupation:   Unemployed
Education:   below high school
Religion:   Muslim
Marital Status:   widowed
Kids:   8
Smoking:   yes
Hobbies- More About MeI like stamp cllecting, train spotting, watching tellevision Ideal Relationship- Looking For An Age Group18 - 31

This is a profile I put on DM about a year ago !!!!
I will not give the ID number o the username to try and protect my interests

After one year I have :
2264 messages
225 admirers
95 matches

Stick that up your jumper Dream-Marriage !!!!! and tell me that NO SCAMMING is going on in your organisation !!!!!!

You are cheats, liars and a money making scamming ageccy - Jim is right !!!!

[Sculpto]

Falcon.

95+% of what you see on that site is going to be fake.  I will find any girl you want me to elsewhere on other marriage scam sites like Anastasia and HRB and Army and etc... there is a good chance i can find the girl on legit sites also.. but they will be in Russian... and if you can actually get her attention on a real site she will actually be the one writing the letters.  If you want me to prove it send me a PM with some profiles..

But if you want to drink the coolaide.. go right ahead.. I drank it.. wasted thousands and months...

[veritas]

Hi Falcon,

I just joined RWD last night, and I mistakenly posted something about D-M
in the "Getting Started" board instead of HERE ... If you care to, check out
my new topic about D-M scams over there ... 

Kevin

P.S.  Also, please see my new reply to Sandro in the (old) "Cottage ..." topic

[veritas]

Just stumbled upon (really!) this interesting "post" over on WikiAnswers, for those of you still curious about D-M:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_Dream_Marriage_site_a_scam

Kevin