Do sincere RW focus on bikini/lingerie photos?

[veritas]

AJ is a big boy Kevin and entitled to his own opinion. You asked a question on a forum board and I was one of the ones who answered it.

Wow, man, don't have a cow here!  I GREATLY respect your opinion -- both here and elsewhere -- AND your answer ...

Kevin

[Daveman]

Wow, man, don't have a cow here!  I GREATLY respect your opinion -- both here and elsewhere -- AND your answer ...

Kevin

Kev, don't read more into the posts than are there.  No cows in the vicinity... yet.  If you've learned anything here so far it should be that opinions vary considerably.

Bikini photos under normal circumstance, such as vacation photos, are OK by me.. professional bikini photos are OK by me too -- and though I may smile through my male optically titillated voyeurism, it's unlikely I'd contact the fleshy exhibitionist.   :evil:

[veritas]

BTW, Ed, I just stumbled upon what I think is a good example of what you -- and viking -- are talking about:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Gorgeous-Ukrainian-Woman-Olga-402396.html

Kev, don't read more into the posts than are there.  No cows in the vicinity... yet.  If you've learned anything here so far it should be that opinions vary considerably.

Bikini photos under normal circumstance, such as vacation photos, are OK by me.. professional bikini photos are OK by me too -- and though I may smile through my male optically titillated voyeurism, it's unlikely I'd contact the fleshy exhibitionist.   :evil:

Thanks, Dave ...

Kevin

[OlgaH]

No cows in the vicinity... yet. 

 

[ECOCKS]

BTW, Ed, I just stumbled upon what I think is a good example of what you -- and viking -- are talking about:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Gorgeous-Ukrainian-Woman-Olga-402396.html

Thanks, Dave ...

Kevin

Great example of a gal that probably gets a few dozen hits a day. Why idiots waste their time on someone like that is beyond me.

[veritas]

Thank you, OlgaH ... You just made me "Laugh Out Loud" for the second time in as many days ... 

Kevin

[Admin]

Great example of a gal that probably gets a few dozen hits a day. Why idiots waste their time on someone like that is beyond me.

>>Why idiots waste their time on someone like that is beyond me.<<

I don't buy that. You know full-well why guys spend their time with someone like that. Can't you see the long-term marriage potential being exuded from every pore in her body - AND - you can see almost every one of them 

- Dan

[veritas]

Great example of a gal that probably gets a few dozen hits a day. Why idiots waste their time on someone like that is beyond me.

Thanks, Ed ... Glad I was able to post a "great example" and sorry 'bout the "cow thing" ... But it was good for OlgaH!  

Yeah, I don't know how a MIDDLE-AGED GUY (like me, at 46) could even THINK he could have "someone like that" ... 

>>Why idiots waste their time on someone like that is beyond me.<<

I don't buy that. You know full-well why guys spend their time with someone like that. Can't you see the long-term marriage potential being exuded from every pore in her body - AND - you can see almost every one of them  

- Dan

Yes, I've been CAREFULLY studying her every pore for, uh, "marriage potential" ... Yeah, THAT'S it!!  

Kevin

P.S.  The photo y'all CAN'T see is even better ... She looks like Charles Atlas in a thong -- such SHOULDERS!!  

[ECOCKS]

>>Why idiots waste their time on someone like that is beyond me.<<

I don't buy that. You know full-well why guys spend their time with someone like that. Can't you see the long-term marriage potential being exuded from every pore in her body - AND - you can see almost every one of them 

- Dan

True, I WAS being sarcastic.

I do understand why some old perverts, low-lifes and sleazy, inbred life-forms would click on her profile and get themselves worked up to do whatever they thought it took to meet her. I even understand that the particularly stupid ones would actually think they could be married to someone like that.

Ah, humans.....

[Daveman]

True, I WAS being sarcastic.

I do understand why some old perverts, low-lifes and sleazy, inbred life-forms would click on her profile....

hey, I'm not THAT old... 

[veritas]

hey, I'm not THAT old... 

And neither am I!     BTW, this was her (pretty boring) "message" to me, accompanied by a very cute, DEMURE photo:

Hello Kevin,

how are you?  how is your weekend going?
I'm interested in you, hope to talk to you soon or stay in touch to see where it can take us.

:noidea:

Kevin

[facetrock]

  If you guys dont stop talking about bikinis I am going to go put my speedo on and take pictures....Then post them here

[Lily]

facetrock - go ahead!!

[spectris]

Actually, everyone commenting here is partially correct I think, but consider the “10,000 foot view” for a moment.  The web has made everything intensely competitive - the lowest price (Google search), the closest ATM (Google search), the top rated sunscreen (Google search), etc.

So, I think you are probably seeing the beginning of the demise of this whole FSU dating thing, because of the web – it was a great facilitator over the past 10 years, but it will be the assassin now.  There are simply too many conflicts of interest as the companies that host the women's profiles have to make $$, some of the women really do want to attract attention, and the customers (sorry, “men”) are more savvy and discerning.  Unfortunately, the internet commodotizes EVERYTHING.  Marketing 101 always applies in the end (always) and the drivers have never changed; innovation, lowest cost, highest quality, closest proximity, peer acceptance/envy and exploitation (sex).  Sooo, where is the FSU dating / marriage world in this cycle now?  This is what I see:

Innovation - yeah sure, there are many people that aren't aware yet, but innovation is the smallest and most difficult subset of customer and by the time the average person is aware of this world, it will be too late (see “exploitation” below) to see the real benefit.

Lowest Cost - Hell no!  It's expensive to date an FSU woman.

Highest Quality - possibly, but it’s hard to use these criteria with actual living and breathing PEOPLE you know

Closest Proximity - again Hell no!

Peer Acceptance (cool factor) - again, maybe but probably not - the average Joe isn't going to understand your relationship with a woman 5,000 miles away.  While incorrect in many (most hopefully) cases, it will appear to be desperate or financially motivated by one of the parties at least.
 
Exploitation (Sex) – IS TIMELESS and appears to be where this is gravitating to and what will most likely kill the business model eventually (and sooner than later) I bet.  Let’s face it, there are lots of exploitation sites in every city (close proximity right?) so what’s the motivation for all the effort 5,000 miles away?

I don’t know, I wasn’t around for the snail mail and Polaroid days, but I bet it was a lot more sincere and honest than what you are seeing and certainly what you will be seeing online.  Too bad right?

[Chelseaboy]

Hi Kevin,

I get the feeling you're still trying to determine whether there are sincere girls on DM,well it isn't as cut and dried as that.
The majority of girls on DM,Anastasia,and other such sites are paid to communicate with men,through their local agencies.It's their work,or a method of supplementing their income,and I've had this confirmed to me,by an agency girl.Therefore,they place sexy photo's on their profiles to encourage more men to communicate with them in chat or letters,which will earn them more money.
Are these girls real ? Well yes,many,but not all,are,with sites stealing profiles from other sites.If you want to see if a girl is real,just chat with her on webcam,and you can see if she reacts to your words.Do the letters come from these girls ? Some will,but most are written by agency staff, i strongly suspect.Chat is another scam,in that unless you can actually see a girl on webcam typing to you,who knows who is chatting ?
As for sincerity,well there have been some marriages on DM,so clearly some girls are sincere in their intentions.Many of these girls will meet you,but their motives for meeting are often suspect,with translation scams,expensive dinners,taxi fare scams,shopping sprees ( with you expected to pay ),all coming into the equation,and to be looked out for.After all,these girls have got nothing to lose,and everything to gain,by meeting you,and they might actually like you.It's the men who take the risk,by flying out there,and clearly many do.Are many of these men successful in finding their future wife ? Clearly not.
I keep hearing only one in ten men from these marriage sites actually leave their keyboards and go out there,but i also hear there are thousands of men flying to the FSU every year,to meet girls,so there is a bit of a contradiction there.
There is only one way to prove if DM girls,with their racy photo's are sincere or not,and that is to go and meet them.Some of these paid agency girls would marry a foreigner,if he's the right man for them,and this is where the grey area comes into the equation,because who knows which ones would. ?

[veritas]

Thanks for the info, Chelseaboy ...

I keep hearing only one in ten men from these marriage sites actually leave their keyboards and go out there,but i also hear there are thousands of men flying to the FSU every year,to meet girls,so there is a bit of a contradiction there.

This might not be a contradiction, because there are probably (at least) TENS of thousands of "keyboard Romeos"?

Kevin

P.S.  FWIW, I'm thinking now that perhaps I should've used the term "RELY on" instead of "FOCUS on" ...

[kievstar]

Chelseaboy, many men visiting Ukraine for women never write or hangout on the internet sites liked RWD.  They go on a tour and do no preparation or they book an apartment with an agency like Kiev Connections, Interdating etc. and show up and meet women.  There not calling or writing women.  Also, many a-web women do not get paid that is a false rumor.  If it is true, someone produce 25 A-web women they know who get paid with their phone number.  A-web girls are also on EM and very few people bash EM.  If you write a letter, your a fool. 

On RWD you going to find more of the keyboard romeos however if you have flown into Kiev 100 plus times like myself past 7 years you meet many men in airports going and coming from seeing Ukraine women.  Very few if any use writing letters or discussion boards like RWD. 

Just on my recent trip back to USA the row next to me on the plane had two guys coming back from Odessa chatting it up for 10 hours about there new girlfriends they found on a tour (these guys both will get divorced or used financially but that is a different story).  I have met maybe close to 1,000 foreign men looking for women in Ukraine in airports in Ukraine or flights going to Ukraine.  I have met less than 10 men who know of RWD.  So less than 1% know or use RWD.  A portion of these thousand men are sex tourists. 

Men want to meet women go and visit and get it done.  Last I checked you do not get married sitting on the couch 4,000 miles way from a RW.  Its very simple visit often meet many.

[ECOCKS]

Thanks for the info, Chelseaboy ...

This might not be a contradiction, because there are probably (at least) TENS of thousands of "keyboard Romeos"?

Kevin

P.S.  FWIW, I'm thinking now that perhaps I should've used the term "RELY on" instead of "FOCUS on" ...

Keyboard "Perverts" is perhaps more apt.....

Kev, you really need to concentrate more on yourself, your objectives and goals, in order to set your expectations properly for yourself. Then start reading discussion threads and a few trip reports to understand this endeavor, followed by questions for clarity and double-checking your plan(s).

[veritas]

Keyboard "Perverts" is perhaps more apt.....

Kev, you really need to concentrate more on yourself, your objectives and goals, in order to set your expectations properly for yourself. Then start reading discussion threads and a few trip reports to understand this endeavor, followed by questions for clarity and double-checking your plan(s).

Thanks, Ed ... I'm not even looking for a RW (or AW) at this time ...

Kevin

P.S.  Perhaps I should change my "Status", then ... OK, done ...

[Jumper]

Kevin - yes a perfect example.lol

why? not from the bikini photos..
she's 19.

Yes we all have different opinions-  mine is :

if you are late 40's thinking to chase a 19yo, then the studio bikini photos at DM probably arn't going to be the telling thing about her.(or the man)
(but it may help her income in writing letters/webchat)

If you are 22-25 yo guy with a decent job ,and somewhat established..
she may be seriously interested.

To think or suggest she has some fundamentally different mentality or moral code than most 19yo shop girls you might meet in the FSU , simply from her studio photos.. is unrealistic.. and likely inaccurate.Many girls her age wouldn't think anything about those photos..other than they are cool, if they could get them done for free (like she did) many would do so.

No, it's not someone ed or myself would chase thinking of marriage...
our opinions are actually the same on that.

i think we simply are referring to different things.

Social acceptance of more risque photos is one topic?
Few would disagree that culturally it is more open there,
and this does vary by age..

I notice you din't post a profile like that of a 38 to 45 yo.
(while i'm sure some can be found, you'd have to dig a bit more)

and despite the style website it is ,and pressure to market ,,
even most late twenties to 30's only have one bikini photo at the most (many have none)
also since you are looking at DM as example ,you do realize they get  a free photo shoot ,but part of that "free" session is they do not get to completely control the photos used in their profile.


let's cut to the chase.  
There, (and many places)
the profile means squat, certainly if its some girl just out of high school age or just entering college.She's often paid to chat or write, and she's way too young to seriously consider anyway.
  So lets keep it real ?
 it's pointless whether her culture is more open to such photos or not (it is)

 If you want some common indicator ,none are good, but  age is the largest 'general"  one. that and children.Style of photos might be a slight help,but in the  case of DM (which you are referencing) it doesn't apply much.
Most women there, 30 and up, in correspondence are going to send normal everyday photos , at home ,at work, in the park with thier child, some might even be from the beach or vacation..

of course ignore the 19yo and vid chat girls profiles.. with swimsuits and lingerie shots.

look at the AVERAGE profiles there for a 38yo..and the photos they send in correspondence.
you will likely find nothing unusual,
 beyond  maybe a slight bit of more openess in such photos in thier profile.
This is  often highly pressured or choosen by the agency to promote and yes market.

In the context of such a site, or agency,
some late thirties woman with one swimsuit photo in her profile isn't some indicator of
her sincerety or morality.

you'll have  to actually corresponde with women there to get any idea at all.
or you'd have to be in the FSU and simply go to the affiliate agency ,as kievstar suggested.

no shortcuts are available..
reality is if you first eliminate  profiles by age.
odds are you eliminating almost all the sexy swimware laden, and lingerie profiles already.

bummer huh?

 


 

[Chelseaboy]

Hello Kievstar,

                  Your comment about Anastasia girls not being paid is noted,and i know you are always quick to leap to the defence of Anastasia.
The fact is that i have been informed by a girl in  Kiev ,who is actually on Anastasia,among other sites,that the girls in her local agency,including her,are paid.Why would she lie ?
Why are girls on webcam chat between the hours of 1am and 5am their time,who claim to have jobs,if they're not getting paid ? These girls are often on chat,with or without webcam, on DM and Anastasia,and other sites,at exactly the same time,and I've seen them,and it's often the same girls normally,every night.Other girls spend all day online,with breaks for lunch.This is not rumour.This is fact.
I have told girls on chat at these times,that i know it's their job,and none of them have denied it,preferring to change the subject.
You know full well that 25 girls will not come forward,with their phone numbers,and admit to this.Why should they lose their jobs,and face reprisals. ?

[veritas]

Kevin - yes a perfect example.lol

why? not from the bikini photos..
she's 19.

Yes we all have different opinions-  mine is :

if you are late 40's thinking to chase a 19yo, then the studio bikini photos at DM probably arn't going to be the telling thing about her.(or the man)
(but it may help her income in writing letters/webchat)

If you are 22-25 yo guy with a decent job ,and somewhat established..
she may be seriously interested.

To think or suggest she has some fundamentally different mentality or moral code than most 19yo shop girls you might meet in the FSU , simply from her studio photos.. is unrealistic.. and likely inaccurate.Many girls her age wouldn't think anything about those photos..other than they are cool, if they could get them done for free (like she did) many would do so.

No, it's not someone ed or myself would chase thinking of marriage...
our opinions are actually the same on that.

i think we simply are referring to different things.

Social acceptance of more risque photos is one topic?
Few would disagree that culturally it is more open there,
and this does vary by age..

I notice you din't post a profile like that of a 38 to 45 yo.
(while i'm sure some can be found, you'd have to dig a bit more)

and despite the style website it is ,and pressure to market ,,
even most late twenties to 30's only have one bikini photo at the most (many have none)
also since you are looking at DM as example ,you do realize they get  a free photo shoot ,but part of that "free" session is they do not get to completely control the photos used in their profile.

let's cut to the chase.  
There, (and many places)
the profile means squat, certainly if its some girl just out of high school age or just entering college.She's often paid to chat or write, and she's way too young to seriously consider anyway.
  So lets keep it real ?
 it's pointless whether her culture is more open to such photos or not (it is)

 If you want some common indicator ,none are good, but  age is the largest 'general"  one. that and children.Style of photos might be a slight help,but in the  case of DM (which you are referencing) it doesn't apply much.
Most women there, 30 and up, in correspondence are going to send normal everyday photos , at home ,at work, in the park with thier child, some might even be from the beach or vacation..

of course ignore the 19yo and vid chat girls profiles.. with swimsuits and lingerie shots.

look at the AVERAGE profiles there for a 38yo..and the photos they send in correspondence.
you will likely find nothing unusual,
 beyond  maybe a slight bit of more openess in such photos in thier profile.
This is  often highly pressured or choosen by the agency to promote and yes market.

In the context of such a site, or agency,
some late thirties woman with one swimsuit photo in her profile isn't some indicator of
her sincerety or morality.

you'll have  to actually corresponde with women there to get any idea at all.
or you'd have to be in the FSU and simply go to the affiliate agency ,as kievstar suggested.

no shortcuts are available..
reality is if you first eliminate  profiles by age.
odds are you eliminating almost all the sexy swimware laden, and lingerie profiles already.

bummer huh?

 

 

Thanks again, AJ -- yeah, "bummer" indeed ...  

OK, I just walked down my list of 750+ "Admirers" on D-M and picked the first 38-45 one ... All photos are fairly demure ...

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Sexy-Ukrainian-Woman-Tamara-1008414.html

Kevin

[veritas]

And here's one who's 35 -- which ALMOST makes the 38-45 "cut" ...

She's been writing me for a while now, and she just sent me what
seems like a sincere letter about her (former) boyfriend's demand
for an abortion when she got pregnant:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Sexy-Ukrainian-Girl-Elena-917186.html

Kevin

[veritas]

And finally, here's one who's 34, who just now wrote me for the second time:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Sexy-Ukrainian-Woman-Evgenia-351511.html

Kevin

[ECOCKS]

And here's one who's 35 -- which ALMOST makes the 38-45 "cut" ...

She's been writing me for a while now, and she just sent me what
seems like a sincere letter about her (former) boyfriend's demand
for an abortion when she got pregnant:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Sexy-Ukrainian-Girl-Elena-917186.html

Kevin

TMI but maybe worth an exploratory letter on the first.

I wouldn't bother with the second but to each their own I guess.