Why are y'all really looking for RW?

[OlgaH]

Of course. You can find anything anywhere, but we're talking in generalizations here.

Even so, you'll have a really hard time finding a California girl who'll go for 'any man who will take care of them or pay for a drink at least'. In Russia, maybe not so hard.

Last time when we stopped at one bar in Fort Myers Beach there was a couple and a drunken woman hugging her man told very openly and laughing that she will go and stay with any man who will take care of her. Yes, we also have similar trash in Russia.

Talking in generalization means to mix cutlets with flies.

I think Boethius already answered.

[OlgaH]

I've stated the same before (and women here told me I was wrong  ).

My apology if I missed your previous statement, but if you are talking about that girl from your village festival adventure I think GQBlues said well

That's some serious white trash traction she's building up for herself there...

[Jooky]

Yes, we also have similar trash in Russia.

That's some serious white trash traction she's building up for herself there...

What's funny is the assumptions made solely based on the physical appearance of the guys I described. I deliberately left out that the girl, Shrek and Mullet were educated and had good jobs. They looked like white trash, but clearly weren't.

Physical appearance doesn't matter.

Yet ugly poorly dressed guys are automatically white trash.

And a girl who doesn't care about physical appearance is trash who would go for 'any man who will take care of them or pay for a drink at least'.

:noidea:

[Misha]

Physical appearance doesn't matter.

Yet ugly poorly dressed guys are automatically white trash.

And a girl who doesn't care about physical appearance is trash who would go for 'any man who will take care of them or pay for a drink at least'.

:noidea:

Touché Jooky 

[OlgaH]

Sorry Jooky, but probably such impression comes because of your own description of your experiences in whole including a girl who came for your 'date' with another dude and after she called some other dudes and how that dudes looked and that you even would have to borrow "some moves from GQ to get a girl like this in US" but for Russian "beer bellies" it is easy to get such cutie as that girl. Honestly, the picture from your own description leaves some negative tone. BTW for me so called "bratva" wearing expensive suits and driving expensive cars is also just a white trash.  

I deliberately left out...

So, I think you should not be surprised that people get some negative impression from your picture. 

[Eduard]

 Jooky, and now that you proved your point, the only thing left to do is to admit that you were wrong and apologise profusely! :whirling:

[Jooky]

it is easy to get such cutie as that girl

Easy, no. Easier than in the US. Yes.

Based on appearances alone a girl like her in the the US wouldn't even consider guys like these in the US. That's my observation.

And yes, that's a generalization so there are exceptions. But where in the US this would be extremely rare, in Russia, not so much.

I made no mention of expensive suits or cars.  :noidea:

So, I think you should not be surprised that people get some negative impression from your picture.

I'd be surprised if anything posted here didn't incite an argument.  

[BrianW]

Easy, no. Easier than in the US. Yes.

Based on appearances alone a girl like her in the the US wouldn't even consider guys like these in the US. That's my observation.

And yes, that's a generalization so there are exceptions. But where in the US this would be extremely rare, in Russia, not so much.

I'd be surprised if anything posted here didn't incite an argument. 

Jooky,

Why do you think this is? Do you think there are just better looking men in California? Do you think AW's have superficial standards when it comes to looks? Do you think that RW's have low standards when it comes to men and their looks?

[OlgaH]

I made no mention of expensive suits or cars.  :noidea:

Jooki, I said it as just an example.


No, Jooki, it is not just about "ugly poorly dressed guys" but about impression from the whole story as I already said. If you mentioned at the beginning that the guys were educated, with interesting personality and good manners I think there would not be any contradiction with Boethius' answer that some women care about man's personality more than about his look. Such words as dudes, "beer belly" and shrek in your description set that particular negative tone. Plus three different dudes including one who is married sound in your story more as her three different boyfriends.

Based on appearances alone a girl like her in the the US wouldn't even consider guys like these in the US. That's my observation.

Unfortunately I see in Russia the cute young girls with 30 y.o. and older guys who looks like shrek with their shaven heads, dressed in t-shirts with spots from shashlik and beer playing with toothpick in their mouth. The "shreks" take the girls for a ride, pay for night club, sauna, drinks and buy some presents and the cute girls are happy.

Maybe that is why I got such impression from your description.  

[OlgaH]

But where in the US this would be extremely rare, in Russia, not so much.

For example as a video below  

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4LaiiP3Fo&feature=related[/youtube]

[Jooky]

Why do you think this is?

Good question. I really don't know.

I think that there's a higher percentage of good looking women and lower percentage of men they consider 'eligible'. It's not nearly the way it's hyped up, but noticeable enough.
 

Do you think there are just better looking men in California?

The Russian women that have visited me here say so.

Do you think AW's have superficial standards when it comes to looks?

Some do. Some don't. I'd say there are different standards, a different attitude towards dating and a perception of being able to have it all. More women in the US are looking for a challenge while more women in Russia are looking for a man. That's just my observation.

Do you think that RW's have low standards when it comes to men and their looks?

Not necessarily, just more realistic about their choices so more willing to 'leave the door open' and give different kinds of men a shot.

And I don't think meeting women in the US is that tough at all. It's just easier in Russia.

[Jooky]

If you mentioned at the beginning that the guys were educated, with interesting personality and good manners I think there would not be any contradiction with Boethius' answer that some women care about man's personality more than about his look.

I don't think there was a contradiction in the first place.

However, these guys didn't display shining personalities either (and they were suitors, not boyfriends). Later, when I asked the sister, who I know better, about these guys she told me they were good, hard working men.

[Eduard]

Good question. I really don't know.

I think that there's a higher percentage of good looking women and lower percentage of men they consider 'eligible'. It's not nearly the way it's hyped up, but noticeable enough.
 
The Russian women that have visited me here say so.

Some do. Some don't. I'd say there are different standards, a different attitude towards dating and a perception of being able to have it all. More women in the US are looking for a challenge while more women in Russia are looking for a man. That's just my observation.

Not necessarily, just more realistic about their choices so more willing to 'leave the door open' and give different kinds of men a shot.

And I don't think meeting women in the US is that tough at all. It's just easier in Russia.

Jooky, your political corectness is so darling! 

[Misha]

Do you think that RW's have low standards when it comes to men and their looks?

All things being equal, women will prefer attractive men  However, rarely are all things equal

[Shadow]

All things being equal, women will prefer attractive men  However, rarely are all things equal

However fortunately women's tastes on what is attractive differ. Vive la difference!

[Eduard]

since there are so many available, single, beautiful women in Russia and there is almost "the same ratio" of men to women in Russia and the US, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that RW are way more picky than AW? 

[Faux Pas]

However fortunately women's tastes on what is attractive differ. Vive la difference!

Thank God! Or some of us would be lost causes 

[Misha]

However fortunately women's tastes on what is attractive differ. Vive la difference!

Not as much as men would like to believe I wager   

[kievstar]

Jooky regarding California men I work with two women who moved from California to Texas to find a man and continue career.  There good looking women with no kids as bagage and make close to 6 figures.  They will tell you hard to find a straight educated black or white male in California who has a job and is not some push over and no children.   By job they could care less what they make as long as there not sitting on the couch all day.

My wife has one of them ready to go to Ukraine to find a man.  My wife says hard to find a good woman in Ukraine as well for many men.  I know Ukraine men who prefer American women over Ukraine women.  Will be interesting. 

The other lady is doing well with Texan men. 

That being said there are many great men in California but people tend to think things are greener somewhere else.  There are just as many AW who complain about AM as AM complain about AW.

[Eduard]

Jooky regarding California men I work with two women who moved from California to Texas to find a man and continue career.  There good looking women with no kids as bagage and make close to 6 figures.  They will tell you hard to find a straight educated black or white male in California who has a job and is not some push over and no children.   By job they could care less what they make as long as there not sitting on the couch all day.

My wife has one of them ready to go to Ukraine to find a man.  My wife says hard to find a good woman in Ukraine as well for many men.  I know Ukraine men who prefer American women over Ukraine women.  Will be interesting. 

Yes! This will be very interesting to see! Please keep us posted!

[Daveman]

Not as much as men would like to believe I wager   

It has been said that women respond to the same stimuli.. that women are women.. and that is true to a point. They are generally attracted to the same qualities (in a love/marriage partner) which are a complex blend of traits. They also are generally more guided by traits which create internal feelings.  What is different is the order in which an individual woman prioritizes these traits as to which emotional feeling is most important to her, and, there can be variances between the trait/emotion relation from one woman to another as well...  so, for example.. let's take a common men's trait mentioned here often "Strength" which usually generates an emotional feeling of "security".  If security is at the top of the list for a particular woman (which, again generally, it usually is high up there), then the physical appearance of a man is not as important as say "the aura of confidence".  She will probably never be attracted to a truly "ugly" man (in her eyes), but he doesn't need to be Adonis either, but rather confident in himself.

The other side of this is often times a truly handsome man can generate feelings of insecurity in a woman for obvious reasons making him less attractive as a mate (she may be inspired to have sex, another trigger at play, but not really take him seriously as a potential mate), even if he has the same level of confidence or more than the less physically attractive man.  Always true? of course not... but happens more often than one might think.

That's just one example... breaking down the prioritized emotional states and how those relate to an individual woman's belief system (individual internal programming) will indicate rather accurately the sequence, order of importance, whatever, of male traits and combination of traits which attract her on both the subconscious (reactionary) and conscious (proactive) levels.  

[Misha]

Dave, that is all very nice, but those are all the tales that the men whom women do not automatically consider attractive tell themselves IMHO  But, how does it go, it you are number two you try harder, which an lead to success 

[Daveman]

Dave, that is all very nice, but those are all the tales that the men whom women do not automatically consider attractive tell themselves IMHO  But, how does it go, it you are number two you try harder, which an lead to success 

Well, science can always be described in practical terms. 

"Trying Harder" can be considered just another aspect of the game of love and mating rituals. Another trigger if you will.. a mating display similar to puffing one's chest feathers in a vibrant display of color -- "I am the man, I am the man".  And she just may believe! It can also be, and more likely is, related to the concept of familiarity. As two people get to know each other, more attractive traits may become apparent -- potentially (as emotional triggers are, well, triggered) taking one from the "average" label well into "most attractive package I've ever met". For both men and women.   "I wasn't so attracted to him at first, but now blah blah blah".. and the opposite can be true as well as the voids and projections are filled in and dispelled by perceptions of empirical evidence, which is a primary reason why many if not most relationships do not last.

LoL, yeah, admittedly, guys and gals who conduct such research are generally not the most attractive people in the world (present written word orator excluded of course).

However, there is an accepted theoretical science to attraction (and love, of course) on various levels (both short term as well as long term). Understanding the theoretical science may not really help Quasimodo bag the Princess, but it *can* help one understand the quagmire that is the "why's of relationships" and/or relational growth better.

[GQBlues]

It has been said that women respond to the same stimuli.. that women are women.. and that is true to a point. They are generally attracted to the same qualities (in a love/marriage partner) which are a complex blend of traits. They also are generally more guided by traits which create internal feelings.  What is different is the order in which an individual woman prioritizes these traits as to which emotional feeling is most important to her, and, there can be variances between the trait/emotion relation from one woman to another as well...  so, for example.. let's take a common men's trait mentioned here often "Strength" which usually generates an emotional feeling of "security".  If security is at the top of the list for a particular woman (which, again generally, it usually is high up there), then the physical appearance of a man is not as important as say "the aura of confidence".  She will probably never be attracted to a truly "ugly" man (in her eyes), but he doesn't need to be Adonis either, but rather confident in himself.

The other side of this is often times a truly handsome man can generate feelings of insecurity in a woman for obvious reasons making him less attractive as a mate (she may be inspired to have sex, another trigger at play, but not really take him seriously as a potential mate), even if he has the same level of confidence or more than the less physically attractive man.  Always true? of course not... but happens more often than one might think.

That's just one example... breaking down the prioritized emotional states and how those relate to an individual woman's belief system (individual internal programming) will indicate rather accurately the sequence, order of importance, whatever, of male traits and combination of traits which attract her on both the subconscious (reactionary) and conscious (proactive) levels.  

 

Very interesting, Daveman! So this is what goes through the minds of men when they size up women of their fancy. I see...

I often wondered in the past what the heck most of the guys are thinking, or doing, in the usual social places standing around in the corners and amongst themselves drinking their beers - staring only at the women from the distance. So they are actually processing the science of attraction by themselves and/or amongst each other just to make sure they got it right.

Now, I understand.

I can see how this can be so complicated. It's too bad as most of the time they get this figured out, it's 2 AM and all the chicks are gone....

[Daveman]

Very interesting, Daveman! So this is what goes through the minds of men when they size up women of their fancy. I see...

I often wondered in the past what the heck most of the guys are thinking, or doing, in the usual social places standing around in the corners and amongst themselves drinking their beers - staring only at the women from the distance. So they are actually processing the science of attraction by themselves and/or amongst each other just to make sure they got it right.

Now, I understand.

I can see how this can be so complicated. It's too bad as most of the time they get this figured out, it's 2 AM and all the chicks are gone....

 

Hey, scoff all you like... it's probably more practical for men to believe that all women are exact carbon copies of each other. No sweat off my ass...   why most attraction or "chemistry" doesn't last long term..  that's another matter   There are more elements involved as the situation progresses from porkin' to pickin'.   :evil: