Do scammers offer phone numbers?

[BillyB]

bgreed,

Keep in mind I said "sincere" RW don't fall in love through letters and not "All" RW. Green card girls(GCG), pro-daters, gold diggers, and scammers have no problem falling in love. I've written to over 650 women and out of many who wrote me back, the ones who say I'm their destiny, words of love, kisses, poems, and send me bikini pics, pics with generous amounts of clevage showing and nude pics tend to have issues. Sincere women who are looking for a life partner will tend to be cautious writing strange men because they are serious about looking for a life partner and father for their kids and they choose to give all their kisses to one man instead of all men.

I'm not so sure that woman you talked about was in love with you based on your letters. She sounds like an angry, jealous and possessive person just because you are looking for for the best woman for your life partner. Another thing is that I have read many stories of men saying their corresspondence is going so great and when the men get there to visit, the woman is a cold fish and wouldn't even hold hands with the guys. The woman you said that might have been in love with you chose agency rules over the chance in meeting you..

We all hunger for affection but we must use the big head before the little head instead of vice-versa. I question the sanity of any woman who falls in love with me through letters. That's common sense. I'm not real and they are not real until a face to face meeting.

[TigerPaws]

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 If you really sent out 650 letters  (I assume by e-mail?) that sounds more like a spammer than someone looking for a  lady and while that could be one approach, it sounds somewhat strange? Were  you finally successful in your search?[/size][/color]

[bgreed]

Billy,

You are correct about those that write the sloppy I love you letters or send you as many hot shots as might be possible.  ANd in this case she did not use any affectionate terms for at least the first six weeks we wrote.  And we were writting or chatting most everyday.  It is more the few letters and chats after the fact that have led me to this conclusion.  Also that she did not grab onto the fellow that visited her just the week after I was there. (or maybe that just my egeo?)

As far as her temper goes RussianGal and a friend of hers have seen her picture and commented on how they thought she had a temper of course N admitted this herself so no real surprise.  Of course I don't think I mentioned that she had read my trip report and my other posting on the "other board" and was angry about that as well.  Oh by the way Stirlitz thought she had a right to be angry.

So maybe in this case it was a matter of two people unintentionally letting someone get under their skin a whole lot farther than they intended.  So for now that one is on the back burner and life goes on.

[info_man]

thought I share the 4th letter she responded with, she did answer one of many questions. Thanks for all the advice.

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Dear
You make me happy with your nice letters. There are no
boundaries to my joy. While reading your letters my eyes are
sparkling. I wish you could see that. It will be great, if we can talk
on the phone, but could you, please call me this week not later than 2
p.m.?


I need to tell you, that I'm serious about my search and I'm also not
interested in playing games! That's not what I am looking for!!!

I hope, that you have the same intentions!
Wish you nice day, send you my kiss and wait for your rpely and call
KAteryna

_________________________________________________________________________-

Imagine if it was that easy a couple of letters and she is calling me dear and sending me kisses
Look forward to hearing Phoenix's trip report.

Info_Man





 

[BillyB]

BillyB,   

 If you really sent out 650 letters (I assume by e-mail?) that sounds more like a spammer than someone looking for a lady and while that could be one approach, it sounds somewhat strange? Were you finally successful in your search?

 

I wrote a big story about this that is now lost on the other forum since the changeover but I keep it short here or may expand on it later. I wrote a canned letter that I sent out easily. A little over 30 letters were sent postal. I wrote to women 17 years younger than me to 4 years older. I got replies back from women 17 years younger than me to 3 years older. All of the women were beautiful in my eyes so now that physical attraction was taken care of I could concentrate on the character and personality of each lady that responded. Because I wrote so many letters I wanted a 10% response rate so I wrote a letter that downplayed who I am and even sent photos of me in my dirty work clothes and told women I'm a normal man working in construction. I actually own the company. I wanted to make sure if a woman was to like me, she would like me for me through my letters and calls and not because of my achievements. If she was smart enough, she could tell through our correspondence together how intellegent and sincere I was. Because I wrote a less than appealing letter and never wrote any romantic words, no women has ever asked me for money and I purposely wrote 5 known scammers to get some experience on how they operate. I will say that one girl asked me to be her sponser and she would send me nude photos and videos and if I visited, I could have her any way I want. I declined and tried to talk her into changing her lifestyle. She started to respect me and sent me nude pics for free and I couldn't get rid of her for months. Scammers are at a point of not working on guys like me but guys that are gullliable and desperate for love. Also there are too many guys out there that will come a running with cash in hand to rescue girls with money problems or poverty so scammers sometime don't need to ask for money straight out but hint at a need for money.

I became immune to all those beautiful women I was writing to and if they even sounded fake or not compatible with me, I dropped them with no emotion lost. The problem with writing one or few women is that the man can get his emotions involved too soon and he is pressured to make a relationship work especially if the woman is showing affection to him through letters. My experience shows that women who shows affection too soon does it for all men on the internet have bad agendas. I don't have time for them and yet I see many men come to these forums and want other's advice on red flags about a single woman for good reason but they want approval to proceed with a woman they don't want to easily give up. I usually tell them to get experience from this woman but go ahead and write to others starting now to see the difference in women as I have come to notice. After you see the light, you wouldn't think about wasting time with a woman who writes letters the way the woman in question in this thread is doing.

I have been invited by a few ladies to visit them after sifting through the crap and uncompatible women. I have even had a RW that models in Europe from Stavropol that's 180cm tall wanting to meet me. She is on many major dating sites front page so most of you can figure her out. I chose to visit a woman in Uzbekistan instead because I figured she was the best based on our correspondence. I would have never found her if I had only written to a few hundred women or omitted every women from countries that are difficult to travel to.

You ask if I was successful? I am! The woman I chose to visit is my fiancee and I posted a picture here of us. Just scroll down the page to see the pic. I just came back from my third trip from Uzbekistan and I will write a trip report soon. Don't judge a book by it's cover, I want to say my fiancee is a lot better person than she looks. She is a (10)+ in personality and character.  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/forum18/1170-9.html

For those who can't see the pic, I learned you must be registered here, it's free and you can remain as anonymous as you want to be.

[TigerPaws]

BillyB,

 

 Please understand I was not trying to pick on you, I have often said there is no right or wrong way to go about looking for a lady from the FSU. What ever worked for you or anyone else was the right way for them.

[BillyB]

I'm not insulted by what you said TigerPaws. I was a WOVO until late 2004 when I learned more from other men's experiences. I would've thought a person writing that many women was desperate myself. I have nothing to be ashamed about. What I've learned is men who decide to write a few women or commit to one woman without ever meeting her has little chance for success and a big chance in wasting his time. think about it. A man might think one out of 10 women that he dates is compatible and marriage material for him. Out of that marriage there's a 50% chance for divorce. The odds are stacked against a man who chooses an international relationship going at it one woman at a time. Realistically I would say 10% of all women would be compatible with me and I with them to the point that we could get along in a marriage without a guarantee for success. I would say 1% of all women would be an ideal match for me and I for her that would truely be considered a success. How would I find a person I think is the ONE out of a hundred for me? I chose to look harder until I found the right woman, not just any woman. There are guys that spend more time looking at the quality of a car than the quality of a woman.

For the newbies out there, I suggest you write to many more women keeping you busy to the point you don't waste time with women that is giving you questionable correspondence, who asks for money, who is always crying and complaining I'm "poor", and women that has bad attitude. Also get on the phone a lot with the women you're interested in. You can tell by the tone of these women's voices if they are into you and are thrilled that you call. Insincere women can not maintain a high level of interest in you for very long unless you are giving them what they want.

[Michelangelo]

I think it works differetly and you can be successful in multiple ways--and fail in multiple ways too!  For me, I did not wind up with the girl I wrote to for a year.  

I am with the girl I only wrote 4 times.  Meeting is the key...

[Todd]

Info_Man:

While she probably is a scammer, you are beginning to enter the time when they will reveal their true colors.  The fifth or sixth letter is generally when they will start to raise the sick grandmother or visa issue....followed by a send cash note.  Generally, before that letter, they will send a very steamy letter...possibly with a revealing picture or two.

 

BillyB: Could you post a trip report?  I would love to know more about your travels to Uzbekistan.  Many of the trip reports on European focused, and I'm sure that you had some unusual adventures.  As a side note, I was tempted to go to Uzbekistan about 12 years ago when I was in Pakistan.  I really wish that I had gone as I'm sure it would have been a very interesting time.

[RacerX]

I wonder if she so much a scammer as a girl who is just shopping around?

btw, very nice photos , just reposted this one so we can all see it easily.

[philb]

Billyb,

You wrote that you were a wovo until 2004.  If I am reading things correctly in the end you still went and visited one woman, you just wrote to a whole lot more.  I guess you would say wmvo.  Is this correct? 

[BillyB]

Todd, I'll start a trip report sometime this week or early next.

Philb, Let me explain this better. On my 2nd go around at this I am a WMVM guy but I ended up WMVO because there was only one good compatible prospect in Uzbekistan that I liked. My second choice would be to Stavropol and Sochi since I had three prospects in that area invited me to see them. I chose Natalia because she was so sincere and real and never sounded desperate. She is a such positive and happy person in a place that has little to be happy about. She is full of sunshine. Besides her being all Russian and all woman, she doesn't have any of the bad traits of a RW or a woman. I passed up some real beuatiful women for Natalia. Some people would be thrilled to date the one RW in Stavropol that models in Europe but I passed the chance and I don't regret it.

On my first go around I was a WOVO. I am full of confidence and I am confident I can go out with a woman and win her over. I'm not going to brag and list what's good about me but one thing I don't do is hype myself up to these women. You will be found out. I had visited one woman in 2004 before Natalia and I had got a commitment from her to be exclusive. I would never propose to a woman on a first visit. 25% of all woman that wrote back to me when I was WMVM were taller than me. I am 174cm tall but this woman on my WOVO adventure was 180cm and she kept in shape since she was a gymnastics teacher to children and an aerobics instructer to adults and on the side she did part time modeling. She was tall on looks but I found out later she was short on character. I dumped this woman.  Know when to hold and know when to fold. Many men are willing to put up with crap if the woman is beautiful but not me. I want a woman that has a high level integrity because I don't want a lifetime of hell. Good sex with a beautiful woman can last so long if she has issues. Here's a photo of the woman from my WOVO trip that doesn't show her face and keeps her anonymous. No more WOVO for me. It's a waste of my time and limits my chances to find a sincere woman. Also WOVO pressures a man to make the relationship work and he would likely ignore red flags.

[info_man]

Todd, I'll start a trip report sometime this week or early next.

Philb, Let me explain this better. On my 2nd go around at this I am a  WMVM guy but I ended up WMVO because there was only one good compatible  prospect in Uzbekistan that I liked. My second choice would be to  Stavropol and Sochi since I had three prospects in that area invited me  to see them. I chose Natalia because she was so sincere and real and  never sounded desperate. She is a such positive and happy person in a  place that has little to be happy about. She is full of sunshine.  Besides her being all Russian and all woman, she doesn't have any of  the bad traits of a RW or a woman. I passed up some real beuatiful  women for Natalia. Some people would be thrilled to date the  one RW in Stavropol that models in Europe but I passed the  chance and I don't regret it.

On my first go around I was a WOVO. I am full of confidence and I am  confident I can go out with a woman and win her over. I'm not going to  brag and list what's good about me but one thing I don't do is hype  myself up to these women. You will be found out. I had visited one  woman in 2004 before Natalia and I had got a commitment from her to be  exclusive. I would never propose to a woman on a first visit. 25% of  all woman that wrote back to me when I was WMVM were taller than me. I  am 174cm tall but this woman on my WOVO adventure was  180cm and she kept in shape since she was a gymnastics  teacher to children and an aerobics instructer to adults and on the  side she did part time modeling. She was tall on looks but I found out  later she was short on character. I dumped this woman.  Know when  to hold and know when to fold. Many men are willing to put up with crap  if the woman is beautiful but not me. I want a woman that has a high  level integrity because I don't want a lifetime of hell. Good sex  with a beautiful woman can last so long if she  has issues. Here's a photo of the woman from my WOVO trip  that doesn't show her face and keeps her anonymous. No more WOVO for  me. It's a waste of my time and limits my chances to find a  sincere woman. Also WOVO pressures a man to make the relationship work  and he would likely ignore red flags.
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BillyB, How long did it take you before you find the right women for you? What methods did you use in your search? agency?

Congradulations in finding the women of your dreams. It is a numbers game, just like most things are.

Info_Man

[TigerPaws]

BillyB,
 
 I think a lot of men could really benifit from your trip report as many have stayed away from countries such as Uzbekistan because of fear of the unknown, hearing how you were able to overcome the obsticles I would believe would be very valuable for those just starting out.
 
 Congrats on finding the lady of your dreams, please keep us up to date with how things progress as you go through the paperwork and bring her across the pond.
 
 I think it might also be interesting if you could talk about some of the cultural differences you found traveling, meeting, courting and dealing with ladies from Uzbekistan.

[BillyB]

Tigerpaws, I started a trip report and will add to it over time.

Infoman, I used agencies and dating sites that would sell me full contact info in bulk. I'll explain my methods in detail in my trip report. Keep in mind, what worked for me may not work for others. I was a WOVO in May of 2004 and visited a woman in Russia August 2004 but it didn't work out so I switched to WMVM at the end of 2004 to give myself a better chance. I ended up as a WMVO going to Uzbekistan May 2005 in first of my three trips there.