Its mostly about finding a wealthy westerner, isn't it? :)

[Andreas]

Then, there is the story about the man who suggested a MÉNAGE À TROIS to his wife.
She replied:  "Sure . . . who will choose the second man?"

Last month I was "the second man" in a three-way. It was cool, but a bit weird too. Especially when the wife said "by the way, we need to be quiet so we don't wake the children"!  :whirling:

[JR]

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[Gator]

JR,

With that comment, you probably triggered some FBI scan.  You should destroy your hard drive before the FBI shows up at your door with a warrant. 

[andrewfi]

Last month I was "the second man" in a three-way. It was cool, but a bit weird too. Especially when the wife said "by the way, we need to be quiet so we don't wake the children"!  :whirling:

I really did not need to know this.
Does a man seriously seeking a wife need to be doing this stuff? I mean if this is what floats your boat what is going to change when you meet a suitable target for your marriage intentions?

[ECOCKS]

Very little in this thread is worth taking seriously.

Is this comedy what the forum wants?

[Gator]

Does a man seriously seeking a wife need to be doing this stuff? I mean if this is what floats your boat what is going to change when you meet a suitable target for your marriage intentions?

Andreas is not claiming to be marriage material.  An old joke comes to mind about not being responsible enough to own a goldfish.  I do not recall him ever saying he wanted a relationship longer than a lap dance.  Give him time.

The chicken or egg question.  Which happens first:  a man deciding he would like to get married before or after meeting Ms. Right?  Andreas is not looking for Ms. Right.

[Andreas]

Andreas is not claiming to be marriage material.  An old joke comes to mind about not being responsible enough to own a goldfish.  I do not recall him ever saying he wanted a relationship longer than a lap dance.  Give him time.

The chicken or egg question.  Which happens first:  a man deciding he would like to get married before or after meeting Ms. Right?  Andreas is not looking for Ms. Right.

I screw around as a substitute for Ms.Right. One could say that until I meet Ms.Right I just have to settle for Ms. Right Here And Now. 

[dbneeley]

I screw around as a substitute for Ms.Right. One could say that until I meet Ms.Right I just have to settle for Ms. Right Here And Now. 

I seriously doubt you will find "Ms. Right" as long as you are so involved in such juvenile activity. It reminds me of a teenager who has just begun to discover what his genitals can be used for, frankly.

Let us hope you don't pick up anything in the process that would disqualify you from actually finding a mate--or, at least, a healthy one.

I have seen this pattern many, many times over the last four decades or so...men who could not get serious about finding a true mate until they "settled down" substantially. Of course, some never do--and most of them also can never form a truly lasting relationship with a woman.

David

[GQBlues]

I screw around as a substitute for Ms.Right. One could say that until I meet Ms.Right I just have to settle for Ms. Right Here And Now. 

Be careful now, today's Ms Right have a good chance of being yesterday's Ms Filthy McNasty.

[Kuna]

Kuna,

I inferred from some posts you made years ago that you were involved even more years ago in some sport that required weight training.   I probably am wrong.  If true, however, I have a question for you because I consider you an excellent observer of people.  Do you see some personality traits common among people so zealous about weight training?

Gator,  yes, I was "involved"...  at international level - and in two strength sports actually.

Before I say "much" about the people in lifting circles I think it's important to note these weights Andreas is so proud of are not large weights for a committed lifter.  

A 170kg bench press at 108kg bodyweight is nothing really.  Don't get me wrong,  it's a big weight for a golfer, a runner or a swimmer,  but there would be many men in other strength sports (shot put, discus, football - NOT soccer   ;-)    ) who would be moving these sorts of weights without it being their primary sport.

It's NOT a world class lift by along shot.

The 272.5 kg deadlift is the same thing...  As an example, twenty years ago there were lifters at 75KG bodyweight lifting more than that. It's not something a serious lifter would boast about in lifting circles.

I think he is very proud of what he has achieved,  but really it's like a schoolboy boasting about his very first conquest in front of pimply faced classmates who are yet to "partake in the act"... He does it because he expects everyone to sit around gasping in awe - thus posting the cheesy Youtube vids.



Anyway, common traits in lifters????

- Absolute dedication to the lonely task of becoming the strongest you can be. In lifting, you can't blame anyone else for your failures.

Andreas didn't achieve "his best he could be" because it appears his body gave way before his potential was realised. At 6'2" in height and only 108kg of bodyweight I think he was probably a longway off his potential if his body would have been able to hold out.


Really,  lifters are just like normal people...  you have real gentlemen...  salt of the earth type men who gain pleasure from giving,  having wonderful relationships with wives, family and friends around them.  They make great coaches...  and brilliant friends!

You have idiots... morons... genuinely dumb souls who lift because you don't need to be very smart to do it.

You have some real mongrels... and to be honest a criminal element. Men involved in importing and selling drugs, and not just steroids.  These men can also often be involved in "security work", or protection (depends on how you see it)...  and often live destructive lifestyles.  A few of these I lifted with ended up in jail, one was apparently murdered in a bad deal,  none of these (to my knowledge) have lived "happily ever after".

Lifters on drugs are emotionally erratic... often emotionally unstable.  These men think they have everything under control but in fact the drugs and the ego is controlling them.


Anyway,  how committed does and elite athlete have to be???

Here's a YouTube vid of two of the all time greats...  

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZOF7Hirc1M[/youtube]



There is an urban myth (that could be debated, because I know someone who was there) which demonstrates the obsession some lifters assume in their efforts "to be the best the can be."

One of the men in the video (I won't name him because they are real people, not movie stars) is reputed to have had a few litres of blood removed from his body before a weigh-in to"make weight", and then immediately afterwards had the blood replaced - obviously before the event started.

True??? I'm not certain,  but if I could have had that at the time I was lifting in big events (instead of the alternatives) I would have probably taken that option...  the need "to be the best you can be" takes over everything you do...  but you do get over it.

To be fair, I don't think Andreas is claiming to be at that level.


I don't know enough about Andreas to work out exactly what his trip is...  but I know he has a big ego and questionable judgement based on the things he has posted in here (like the immature comments about his recent threesome)... I mean really,  in the current day and age this is not something that is even uncommon now - why boast about it unless you expect the pimply faced kids to gasp?

I said before Andreas should search the archives for ambach and see the pounding he got in here when he came and constantly big noted himself.  He NEVER believed anyone had anything to offer him but time told the true story when it appears he made a huge turnaround - and eventually found his wife.

Andreas appears a LONG way from finding a wife.

[Gator]

Kuna,

Very insightful, as usual.  Definitely not a sport for golfers who strive for speed, not strength (transfer of kinetic energy).

Most everyone is criticizing Andreas as if he were a kid, yet he is excelling in his profession (provided he is building positive realtionships with his peers).  I suppose the opposite sex is just a way to vent some hormones.  My older son is the same. 

[Kuna]

Kuna,

Very insightful, as usual.  Definitely not a sport for golfers who strive for speed, not strength (transfer of kinetic energy).

Perhaps strangely, Powerlifting is a strength sport - but Weightlifting as you see it in the Olympics is more of a speed sport.

With Andreas at 6'2" tall and reaching his personal peak at 108kg (or so) in bodyweight he may have made a better weightlifter than powerlifter.



With Andreas,  the thing that concerns me about him is the boasting. 

We've had others in here over the years that were the same and it seems it's not until a few RW have knocked the wind out of their sails that they start to come back to earth for a reality check.

She may be successfuland able to jag the odd dirty threesome at home but that doesn't mean "the right" RW is going to be impressed with his boastingabout his career success or bedroom antics.

Can you imagine???   

[dbneeley]

With Andreas,  the thing that concerns me about him is the boasting. 

We've had others in here over the years that were the same and it seems it's not until a few RW have knocked the wind out of their sails that they start to come back to earth for a reality check.

Can you imagine???   

Should a mature and serious lady ever tell Andreas "I love you" I doubt that she'd be very impressed when he responds "That makes two of us!"     

[Blues Fairy]

I screw around as a substitute for Ms.Right. One could say that until I meet Ms.Right I just have to settle for Ms. Right Here And Now. 

Screwing around is your way of evading Ms. Right, actually. 

[JR]

JR,

With that comment, you probably triggered some FBI scan.  You should destroy your hard drive before the FBI shows up at your door with a warrant. 

I regretted making that post as soon as I hit the Post tab. But I waited too long. I don't fear the FBI but it was in poor taste.

[Son of Clyde]

After reading 2 or 3 pages it seems to me that Andreas would not have the time for a threesome or even a quickie if he is always at work or at the gym working out to heavy metal music. I wonder how much of what he has posted is for shock value.

[acrzybear]

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[acrzybear]

After reading 2 or 3 pages it seems to me that Andreas would not have the time for a threesome or even a quickie if he is always at work or at the gym working out to heavy metal music. I wonder how much of what he has posted is for shock value.

Or playing video games

When completing Gears of War, I "had" to complete it again on the "nightmare" difficulty setting. I have a hard time understanding how my friends are able to play a game halfway through and then sell it on EB Games without completing it. I have more than 40 000 gamer points on my xbox account.

[Son of Clyde]

thanks I did not get past the first few pages.

[Kuna]

Screwing around is your way of evading Ms. Right, actually. 

This is VERY true!

Spot on BF....

[JR]

Screwing around is your way of evading Ms. Right, actually. 

It's also a lot easier than introspection and change.

[Gator]

Screwing around is your way of evading Ms. Right, actually. 

I was about to write "been there, done that;" however, I always have enjoyed the social aspects of a female companion as much as the sexual aspects, even in confirmed bachelor days.   Expressed another way, I spent by choice far more time doing the social part.  This allowed Ms. Right to enter my life, again and again and again and again and....

[Aloe]

Keep in mind that it takes two to tango, so this is also a statement about RW. 

BTW, what were the approximate numeric responses regarding promiscuity? 

Aloe, does Andreas the OP remind you of a Western man or a Russian man?

There are tons and tons of party girls in Russia, tons of girls go out and get drunk and end up in beds inhabited by strange people, sometimes more than one, apparently. It does not say anything about RW as a whole, only about party-goers-excessive-drinkers girls
I'm sure there are many western girls who do exactly the same.

Western men name under 10, RM name way more, and often "too many to count", which i do not doubt, cuz i've known a few girls who had more partners than they could count, and those were seemingly normal girls, if you met them in a non-party situation you would NEVER know or suspect they had so many one night stands. Seriously.
I suspect the low numbers WM in my experience named has to do with the specifics of the WM that are to be found on looking-for-RW websites. It is not a secret that large part of these men is completely inactive at the local dating scene for many different reasons (main reason they name is that they were in a years long marriage that broke apart and they felt too rusty and out of date and too lost to pick up local dating again. I suppose that is the sole reason for numbers warying so greatly. If i had gone to a western country and asked young western guys about their sex partners, i'd probably get comparable to RM results, but my pool of asking was limited to WM mostly found on dating sites and online games I also talked to quite a few guys from online games, but that is also a specific pool of people who spend a lot of time playing PC games rather than going out. Anyhow, we have what we have, from asking the men from the websites and online computer games, the numbers they name are a lot lower, so in my head it has formed an illusion that WM are a lot less slutty

Andreas in his boasting about anything and everything definitely strikes me as a typical young RM, going out of his way trying to impress people and create an image with all the wrong things.

[Aloe]

Hmm, something here doesn't add up:
a) There just aren't any single Russian guys worth dating (as several single RW here mentioned)
b) "average russian guy has 10 times more sex partners"

There must be a lot of happy married RM.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. It is true that all the good guys are taken and you have to be very lucky to catch one at the right moment when he broke up with someone and the short time he is single Also being somebody's lover does not have the ultra negative stigma attached to it, very many women become lovers of married men, so even if you are so lucky as to catch the right guy, there are very many women who would sleep with him and even have a relationship with him knowing he's married, so the good guy is surrounded by never-ending temptation, that is not a good environment to have a good guy in, too many temptations, and given the right temptation even the strongest may break, cuz after all, nobody is perfect.
b) I mentioned above that it seems to be that way from my personal experience talking to WM, i already mentioned the WM came from 2 very specific sources with specific traits attached, so what exactly are you trying to say?

[Aloe]

So Russian women are quite casual about having threesomes with their husbands??? If so, then I'm activating my profile at Elena's Moldes right now!!!

No. Of course nobody is casual about it. Like i said, mostly party girls who drink a lot have threesomes. From what i know, there are a lot less sober orgies in FSU than alcohol orgies. Even the drunk girl would have a threesome with people she doesn't know well, not her husband. When the party girl stops partying and marries, she expects exclusivity on both sides of the relationship, and i suspect she would be quite hurt if her husband asked for a threesome. Let alone a woman who has never actually had a threesome, it may be a deal-breaker for her, who knows?
As for me personally, i'd prefer my husband ask for a threesome than go cheating. I'd be a lot more hurt by cheating than by straight telling me that something is quite missing and looking for a solution to fix that together (as in a threesome), altho i definitely would feel very very hurt, and i don't know the consequences of such a request that would follow and how it would influence or possibly decide the outcome of our relationship, but like i said it's 1000000 times better than him cheating. I consider myself to be more open minded than many women though, i'm sure other women would feel their own different way about such a delicate matter.