Review/Critique/Roast of HRB/RLM

[BC]

Jooky,

I visited their home page today.  I was quite surprised.. (I added emphasis)

Please understand, we are NOT a Russian Mail Order Bride website. If you want to find Russian Brides or Ukrainian Brides online and have her sent to your door, this is not the service for you. However, if you're looking for a unique opportunity in which to correspond with beautiful Russian women in a safe online dating environment, and you want to create some great friends along the way, you're in the right place. What you will find at HotRussianBrides.comŽ is a secure online dating environment where over 13,000 of the most Beautiful Russian Women are waiting to correspond with you!

Sorta debunks the gullible man theory.. At least those for those that are literate..

For the rest of the world, the language is enticing but does not promise more than a chance to meet someone that may be interested.. 

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWhz8fR1zlw[/youtube]

If I buy this car will I be able to do that?.. Of course not, not even close.  I doubt a buyer, regardless of IQ, showing the clip in court will get a refund.

Bottom line, over the years I've seen a lot of complaints about Aweb, HRB, etc etc, but very few if any factual reports that folks did not get what they signed up and paid for.

I perused their Terms of Use and found them to be pretty much in line with other software (pun intended) disclaimers.

Really Jooky, I'm not suggesting anyone use these sites.. in fact I don't suggest anyone use an agency or tour either, but I'm not going to go on a save the world trip to try and stop folks from signing up for whatever reason they do.  I accept what's happening as 'par for the course', just as you would if meeting some woman at an agency that seemed disinterested.

I get unsolicited offers from amazon.com, airlines even credit cards.. all within the terms of use I signed up for.  Haven't a clue how all those invites come about, but I would handle it the same way by either deleting or following up with something that seemed interesting.  I would think the invites men send are unsolicited so maybe it goes both ways?

If a guy signs up and ain't happy with their free trial he can just stop.  If he can't then there must be something in it for him that he likes.

I'd really like to see a complaint like "I paid for credits and they did not give them to me" or "I canceled but they billed me anyway" or "I only chatted with a bot".

In any case that's enough from me on this subject.. I'm just passing time and gas while procrastinating other things that need to get done.

[Jooky]

BC. If they're just a correspondence as entertainment site, not a Marriage Broker, why are they IMBRA compliant?

I disagree that it's par for the course. Sign up on Elena's Models you don't get a ton of attention from young hotties that aren't really interested in you. Sign up for HRB or AWeb and you do. It's fine for entertainment, but if you're serious sifting through the real and the not really interested is an unnecessary obstacle.

We're not here to save the world, but we are here to help guys out. At least we should be.

[HRB/RLM CEO]

A lot of people read this board. In the past we had posters who basically made stupid profiles (one guy even used a picture of a monkey) on agencys similar to HRB. They would still get hundreds if not thousands of responses. Now I'm sure there is nothing illegal about it but it would make any sane man question integrity of the site if not call it a down right scam. You have to pay to open the emails.

Facetrock:

"In the past" refers to over 5 years ago!   That "issue" was resolved almost immediately (over 5 years ago).  You need to understand, that when I first developed this platform, I (basing the idea on my OWN experiences) decided to incorporate a feature that we called "Introduction Letters".  This was because when I was using other dating sites I found myself sending out multiple letters (and using my "copy/paste" function a lot).  At the time I remember thinking, "Damn!  It would be cool if a website had a format where I could write ONE (or save as many as 10 variation) draft letter(s), save it, and have it automatically insert the salutation (dynamically) to whatever member I decided to send it to!"   Then I could speed up this process, and send out multiple letters (spam) that "appeared" to be personalized to each lady I was contacting.  Viola!  "Introduction Letters"!

However .... "Introduction Letters" are FREE to open, and if you'd EVER actually been a customer, you'd know enough to refrain from making such false statements.  6 years later (in retrospect), I would not offer this service (not to RW anyway), as it has definitely been "overused".  But it is NO more than an elaborate form of a "wink", "nudge", "flirt" or attempt to generate interest!  They're FREE !!!!!  That typically means no "harm, no foul"! 

I don't really appreciate people being SO opinionated (and perpetuating negative comments) about a service they've probably NEVER used. 

None at all... but any idiot knows .1% chargeback on CC transactions doesn't translate to a 99.9% customer satisfaction rating...

Sorry, you obviously are NOT a "domestic" online merchant with a "domestic" (and dedicated) processing relationship. 

First,

1.) The Industry average (in THIS Industry) is in excess of 5% charge-backs!   This is why THIS is "classified" as a "High-risk" Industry.  Therefore, less than 1% would be unbelievable, but 0.01% is outstanding!!!  Period!  We are a highly sought-after merchant account...a low-risk account in a high-risk Industry.  Simply Unheard of...so please don't make light of something you have no understanding of.
 
2.) It is NOT easy to reverse a chargeback.  Quite the contrary!

3.) Furthermore, once a chargeback is "registered" against your account, even if it is ultimately reversed, it DOES NOT change your rating, as it is NOT removed from your "registered charge-backs".  In other words, if you experience 5.1% in charge-backs in August, even if you (over the next two months) were successful in reversing those charge-backs, that DOES NOT change your score for August!  Period!

4.) When someone buys a $30  credit package, and then we receive a chargeback, that $30 is removed from the account, along a with a $25 "charge-back fee", then we can invest more "man-hours" having someone build a "case" by assembling a "case file" of information (log-ins, IP addresses,  usage, emails, sign-in acknowledgements, correspondence between Admin and the member, etc.)  This costs at least $25 per hour to have a case manager perform the "due diligence".  Then after all that, the customer's Bank can STILL (and usually DOES) decline to pay the charge.  So, the $30 is removed AGAIN and ANOTHER $25 is also removed (the SECOND "charge-back" fee).   So, it costs me (on average) the $30 in lost services (maybe $10 profit) and $50 in chargeback fees, and at least $25-$30 (minimum) in "man-hours"...for a total loss of approximately $100 !  And BTW, all this STILL negatively blemished our impeccable "chargeback" record.   Why not just refund the $30 immediately, BEFORE it becomes a Charge-back?   That's right ... "unsatisfied customers" usually charge-back!  Duh!

5.) I know of NO other site in this Industry that enjoys a relationship with the #1 Bank and one of the top three "Domestic" (3rd Largest) processors for "Domestic" (United States) credit card processing.  I would venture to guess that EVERY other site out there is forced to process "off-shore" in "high-risk" aggregate (group) processing accounts through "third-party" processors!  As one of the only "stand-alone" Domestic credit card processing Merchants in this Industry, we jeopardize our processing relationship with the Bank if our charge-backs exceed a certain percentage in ANY given month.  That's why I have always maintained a "refund first, ask questions later" policy.

6.) Anybody knows today that they can "effect" a charge-back through their Bank relatively easily.  That's why it's currently referred to as "Friendly Fraud".  Because it has graduated FAR beyond a valid "safe guard" for dissatisfied customers.  It has become the new way to get 'free services'!  Therefore, these days, your customer satisfaction rating IS premised on your rate of "Charge-backs"..NOT negative rumors and false complaints  (initiated by unscrupulous competitors hiding behind fictitious names) and ultimately perpetuated by members of Forums (with "ties" to the Industry) who have never used your service.
 
7.) Any other site (and I repeat "ANY") in this entire Industry experiences a higher rate of Charge-backs than we do!  So regardless of HOW you decide to "rate" customer satisfaction, you will find ONE thing to be as sure as life itself...  the higher the rate of charge-backs, the lower the customer satisfaction... Period.

In closing:
I know (first hand) most of the Agencies that exist, as such, I have "inside" information as to how ALL other sites are run (not to mention how those Agencies operate).  Regardless of inherent problems (as exist in EVERY industry), ours is (by far) the "safest bet" regarding Customer Satisfaction.  That's why we're available 24/7 by "LIVE Web-Hostess", and 1-800-customer service number...NOT some obscure email (like EVERY OTHER site out there)!   Stop simply "bashing" and do some actual research. 

Also, stop looking for perfection everywhere else, it doesn't exist.  Nowhere, no Industry, no family, no marriage, nobody! 

Look for the good in things, make the best of a situation, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house, don't bear false witness, etc., etc.  Anyone, who is unhappy with our service has ALWAYS been no more than a simple FREE chat, toll-free phone call, or an email away from "satisfaction".  However, we can't make a woman love you, and we can't convince all our customers to re-examine their expectations.   Sometimes, all we can do is refund your money (so that your "experience" was at MY expense)!  Just try to get a refund (or even a timely response) at ANY other competitor's site  :-)

[HRB/RLM CEO]

BC. If they're just a correspondence as entertainment site, not a Marriage Broker, why are they IMBRA compliant?

I disagree that it's par for the course. Sign up on Elena's Models you don't get a ton of attention from young hotties that aren't really interested in you. Sign up for HRB or AWeb and you do. It's fine for entertainment, but if you're serious sifting through the real and the not really interested is an unnecessary obstacle.

We're not here to save the world, but we are here to help guys out. At least we should be.

Jooky:

YOU really should have come down here with Tom T and Andrewfi!   You obviously could benefit from an "education".

ANY site that facilitates correspondence between American Men and Foreign women ("entertainment" or otherwise) where;

1.) That "interaction" represents your "primary" business, and;

2.) Where ladies are not required to pay and the men are....  is (by IMBRA definition) an IMB.

Sifting through "professionals" is a challenge on ANY site!  There will always be lots of people on any type of social networking or dating site that have an "ulterior motive" and are simply there to further their own self-serving agenda.  There are just as many American "Cowboys" just looking to "score" with as many RW as possible, with absolutely NO intentions of getting married.  But it's fairly easy to "sift" through all that and find a "diamond in the rough" ... it's simply a "numbers game", always was been, always will be.

CEO

[Jooky]

Thanks, I would take you up on that offer if I had time. Maybe next time we this topic comes up. TomT seems bearable enough, but please not with Andrew.

For now, how about you take the challenge. Sign up on your own site with a bogus profile of a man that couldn't get laid in a Reno whorehouse.

Then see all the instant chat requests, admirers and emails this profile gets.

If you weren't the CEO, how would you feel about this? Would you feel that these ladies are really interested in you? Or would you think something fishy is going on? I don't think you'll give a sincere answer, but really, think about the impression your site gives and why a guy like me and many others can't recommend your site when there are so many other options where the women have no motivation to contact you unless they're truly potentially interested.

[HRB/RLM CEO]

For now, how about you take the challenge. Sign up on your own site with a bogus profile of a man that couldn't get laid in a Reno whorehouse.

Then see all the instant chat requests, admirers and emails this profile gets.

If you weren't the CEO, how would you feel about this? Would you feel that these ladies are really interested in you? Or would you think something fishy is going on? I don't think you'll give a sincere answer, but really, think about the impression your site gives and why a guy like me and many others can't recommend your site when there are so many other options where the women have no motivation to contact you unless they're truly potentially interested.

Well, better to feel "loved" than absolutely "ignored" I guess. Trust me, I've seen BOTH extremes, if you were only getting "hits" from truly "interested" (and serious) women (and I don't care WHERE you are) then you'll be a lonely guy!  It's like getting "pissed off" at the fact that most of the ladies (at the bar on "Ladies' night") are simply there for the free drinks and probably not specifically to meet you!  It's called "life", simply learn how to use it to your advantage!

Anyway... I told you (already) ... the entire problem has been solved/resolved, once and for all.  All the Industry "woes" (along with the Industry) will pretty much disappear!

Again..... "stay tuned"  :-)

[Faux Pas]

HRB/RLM

First, I have never used your service. I've not had a reason to but, I do have a question. I have been on the forums for a number of years and I have seen a number of accusations that your company and a number of others actually have paid employees and/or women who receive some sort of compensation for webcam chats. Is this true? Are there regular practices to extract more money from customers where the girl/woman clearly isn't interested in pursuing a relationship with said customer yet encouraged lead him on?

BTW, I do think it admirable that you would come on RWD to answer allegations regarding your practices and business model. The reputation of your company and a number of others from the standpoint of the average forum poster/reader is not a good one, IMO. Much of the info posted on the boards come from dissatisfied customers. Rarely do satisfied agency customers come to share their experiences.

[facetrock]

  quote CEO:  Well, better to feel "loved" than absolutely "ignored" I guess. Trust me, I've seen BOTH extremes, if you were only getting "hits" from truly "interested" (and serious) women (and I don't care WHERE you are) then you'll be a lonely guy!  It's like getting "pissed off" at the fact that most of the ladies (at the bar on "Ladies' night") are simply there for the free drinks and probably not specifically to meet you!  It's called "life", simply learn how to use it to your advantage!

 So its better to get attention from insincere women???? How do you get women to give men attention that they have no interest in???
I think you just made a good case a lot of false letters are sent to men from your site. Correct me if I am wrong but it sure seems like it.

[Jooky]

The women getting free drinks at 'ladies night' don't go up to some dork and pretend to like him.

If I'm reading it right, you're saying that HRB is like a 'ladies night', where the women aren't there for the men, they're just enjoying the 'free drinks'. So what's the incentive to approach so many men? Is that a condition of them getting 'free drinks'?

[Manny]

Much of the info posted on the boards come from dissatisfied customers.

There is the question of why some of these folks are dissatisfied. I know from my wife's experience dealing with men seeking Russian women, many men have laughable expectations. Men arrive on these dating sites with all kinds of ideas about "buying" women and some feel entitlement because they paid. Its not hard to generate a few dissatisfied customers really.

Many guys of sixtyish are dissatisfied when a size zero Barbie doll from the FSU, in her early twenties, isn't as enthusiastic about catering to his every whim in his retirement in Idaho as he had imagined. He paid some money to a site to facilitate contact. What happens next? He starts howling from the rooftops about how he was "scammed". He wasn't scammed, he was just a fool.

There is a 49 page topic on HRB on RUA. Throughout those 49 pages nobody appeared who was actually scammed.

As referenced above, TomT visited their offices in Florida. There were several things that jumped out at me from the resultant topic:

I read the three BBB complaints thoroughly; they struck me as being completely without merit, gave me a very bad impression of the authors and spoke volumes about the reasons for their failures.

Men my age shouldn't be writing to teenagers. If you don't get it, please get some help; there is nothing that HRB can do for you.

...........whether or not serious male clients actually get married.

In regard to the latter, the telephone directory-sized scrapbook of wedding photos and hand-written letters of gratitude was very compelling anecdotal evidence. Going to the trouble of fabricating such a volume of evidence beggars belief.

HRB undoubtedly has multiple weddings under their belt. They have low chargeback rates in an industry traditionally very full of very many problematical and cheapskate clients. You may not think the business model ideal for you; you are free to choose another medium that suits you better.

[Chelseaboy]

Well,i had a profile on Aweb this year.I'm in my fifties,and i had all my correct details on my profile,but no photo.I can confirm i was getting at least five unsolicited letters a day from amazingly beautiful girls of all ages,although their photo's are clearly photo-shopped,and no i'm not a billionaire.
As for HRB/RLM,i would say the girls photo's are more natural.This is a business for HRB/RLM,and although we may question the ethics of it,no man has to join the site,it's each mans individual choice.
As i said in a previous comment on this thread,the majority of "girls" online do not appear on webcam.Out of interest CEO,do these non-webcam online chatters earn as much for their local agencies as the girls that do appear on webcam ? If so,it's something that needs to be addressed,although you may well be dealing with that anyway within all the changes you are making.
HRB/RLM cannot really be held accountable for the motives and actions of local agencies and their girls,provided proven cases of dubious behaviour are dealt with,regarding men,local agencies and women.The service advertised is provided,in that there are girls available on webcam for chat,for 24 hours a day,catering to all time zones.Would a man find a future wife among these girls ? Although the chances are not high,there is a small chance,but finding the right person is not easy whichever way you try,with some good luck needed along the way.Let's not forget,most men from these sites don't visit FSU anyway,for whatever reason,so for them it's just paid entertainment,so i guess they are happy with the service.
The CEO of HRB/RLM doesn't need to come on here,i cannot imagine our comments affect his business much,if at all, but ,unlike other big site owners ,he does,so fair play to him for that at least.

[Faux Pas]

There is the question of why some of these folks are dissatisfied. I know from my wife's experience dealing with men seeking Russian women, many men have laughable expectations. Men arrive on these dating sites with all kinds of ideas about "buying" women and some feel entitlement because they paid. Its not hard to generate a few dissatisfied customers really.

You won't find much disagreement with that here. Some people will complain about being hung with a new rope. This entire endeavor just by it's very nature is extremely attractive to the misfits and social lepers of the world. Many with no chance to date or even garner the attention of less desirable local women.

Many guys of sixtyish are dissatisfied when a size zero Barbie doll from the FSU, in her early twenties, isn't as enthusiastic about catering to his every whim in his retirement in Idaho as he had imagined. He paid some money to a site to facilitate contact. What happens next? He starts howling from the rooftops about how he was "scammed". He wasn't scammed, he was just a fool.

Manny to infer the dissatisfied customer base falls into this category alone is wrong and intellectually dishonest. You are deflecting the problem to only a segment of dissatisfied customers. I would venture to guess they come from all age groups and backgrounds. Many men who wind up on agency sites are not the misfits and lepers, are capable, sincere in their efforts and scammed anyway. Many of the dissatisfieds do not fall in the demographic you mention here. I wouldn't go so far as to call all that are scammed fools but, certainly gullible.

There is a 49 page topic on HRB on RUA. Throughout those 49 pages nobody appeared who was actually scammed.

As referenced above, TomT visited their offices in Florida. There were several things that jumped out at me from the resultant topic:

HRB undoubtedly has multiple weddings under their belt. They have low chargeback rates in an industry traditionally very full of very many problematical and cheapskate clients. You may not think the business model ideal for you; you are free to choose another medium that suits you better.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. No doubt HRB has some unions as a result of meeting through it's services. AWEB can make the same claims. My question was for my own clarification from "the horse's mouth" as to if these scenarios exist. Several years ago I looked them over and they were not for me based mostly on information I read on forums and gauging them from their website and marketing information.

Manny, you seem to attempt to answer my question yet still avoiding it as if you are shilling for HRB. Do you see my question as unfair?

[Jooky]

There is a 49 page topic on HRB on RUA. Throughout those 49 pages nobody appeared who was actually scammed.

49 pages, about 40 of them written by Sculpto. 

Sculpto spent over $1000 'chatting' with a girl who didn't know him from Adam when he actually met her. You can debate the definition of 'scam', but he  definitely felt taken advantage of as did a few others that posted.

The lack of actual HRB clients in that thread just goes to show how few people actually read your board. 

[Manny]

Manny, you seem to attempt to answer my question yet still avoiding it as if you are shilling for HRB. Do you see my question as unfair?

FP, I didn't respond to any question. I offered an opinion, based on a quote from your post, which I quoted for clarity.

Offering an opinion based on both known facts and personal experience about the industry cannot be construed as "shilling" by any stretch of the imagination really now can it? Nor can refusing to jump on the peanut gallery train without actual evidence from credible people. I have however read evidence from people I consider credible who have visited HRB's office. Have you?

Regards your comments about the demographic of the dissatisfied customer base. I cited a typical example, it was not meant to be all encompassing nor claim all people who claimed dissatisfaction fell into that category; but I think you knew that didn't you?

I wouldn't go so far as to call all that are scammed fools but, certainly gullible.

Nor would I. Nor did I. Please do not twist my words. I cited an example, and prefaced my comment with "he" denoting singular not plural. Please converse using what I actually wrote and not interpretations thereof.

[Manny]

49 pages, about 40 of them written by Sculpto. 

Sculpto spent over $1000 'chatting' with a girl who didn't know him from Adam when he actually met her. You can debate the definition of 'scam', but he  definitely felt taken advantage of as did a few others that posted.

If Sculpto is the typical dissatisfied customer, I doubt there is much to worry about.

The lack of actual HRB clients in that thread just goes to show how few people actually read your board. 

Trolling works for some when they lack a well constructed argument.

[Faux Pas]

FP, I didn't respond to any question. I offered an opinion, based on a quote from your post, which I quoted for clarity.

My mistake then. I asked a pointed question of HRB CEO and your attempt to break down the "why" there is dissatisfied customers is not related, no? Likely, IMO the reason for dissatisfied customers is, they didn't feel they received what they paid for or, was led to believe what they were purchasing. I don't see the complexity there.

Offering an opinion based on both known facts and personal experience about the industry cannot be construed as "shilling" by any stretch of the imagination really now can it? Nor can refusing to jump on the peanut gallery train without actual evidence from credible people.

Well yes, actually it can. Your opinion was not solicited in my question to HRB CEO. Your explanation based on "your opinion and experience" that the sixtyish men looking for twentyish women constitutes the dissatisfied customer base is misleading. There is no connection from it to whether women are paid to chat and lead men on with the laughable fantasies you mention, is there?

Who are the "credible people" you mention? Forum and agency owners, customers, forum posters? Was this an inference I am without credibility, unworthy to question and part of the peanut gallery?

Regards your comments about the demographic of the dissatisfied customer base. I cited a typical example, it was not meant to be all encompassing nor claim all people who claimed dissatisfaction fell into that category; but I think you knew that didn't you?

I would say that yes, I knew that and I knew it could possibly easily be misleading and deflecting from my question to HRB CEO. Were you trying to state that complaint's from the 40ish man seeking 20ish women are more valid and less typical?

 

[HRB/RLM CEO]

Well yes, actually it can. Your opinion was not solicited in my question to HRB CEO. Your explanation based on "your opinion and experience" that the sixtyish men looking for twentyish women constitutes the dissatisfied customer base is misleading. There is no connection from it to whether women are paid to chat and lead men on with the laughable fantasies you mention, is there?

Faux Pas:

Women are simply not paid to chat by HRB/RLM, and all HRB/RLM Agencies are forbidden to pay ladies to chat as part of an Independent Agency Agreement.  I obviously cannot "guarantee" (nor would I take on THAT liability) that it has not happened.  But I do NOT say this as any form of admission, OR as some "sneaky" way to attempt to "skate" the issue, but merely because it could happen and would be hard for us to prove, (unless we discover a chat or email "admission" on the site).  I know that the majority of the so-called "complaints" about our company were "fabricated" by people who stood to gain financially by defaming us.

However, aside from posts on this (and another main) forum, I know of NO HRB/RLM customer who EVER complained about his dissatisfaction (or quit the site because of issues) stemming from his suspicion that girls are paid to chat.  This entire "attack" was "dreamed up" by a competitor who does NOT offer Video Chat or Chat services, and then was perpetrated by a few "key" false identities!  Period.   

However, I HAVE had customers quit the site after reading such posts here and on jimslist.com & agencyscams.com.  Furthermore, dissatisfied customers (like Sculpto) have jumped on the "bandwagon" AFTER the fact.   But I receive a copy of EVERY membership termination (and the reasons behind it).
Most men, that suspect younger ladies of initiating "interaction" with them "insincerely" usually just ignore those more aggressive ladies' advances.  I am personally suspicious of "aggressive" women on ANY site.  But I'm not about to ban them without proof, just for being aggressive.  I've banned more agencies and ladies than any other site in the industry, but sooner or later, you simply establish the rules, draw the line, and then hold your ground.  They all know, "three strikes and you're out"! 

CEO

[BillyB]

I know of NO HRB/RLM customer who EVER complained about his dissatisfaction (or quit the site because of issues) stemming from his suspicion that girls are paid to chat.  This entire "attack" was "dreamed up" by a competitor who does NOT offer Video Chat or Chat services, and then was perpetrated by a few "key" false identities!  Period.  

Unlike some agencies, you have a lot of unhappy customers. I'm not buying that it's a competitior of yours that's attacking you. I've seen a lot of attacks and the management at these forums can check IP addresses to see if someone is using different the same computer to make different account names. Many of your customers have come here and said a few of the girls at your site confessed to getting paid.

Look at the activity of some of the ladies at your site. Some are on the computer at wee hours of the morning and stay on half the day. Do you want to know how real women in real life operate? They have a life and can't spend that much time on the computer. Join the free sites freepersonals.ru or Mamba.ru or the paid site bride.ru and you'll understand that the women at your site clearly behave much differently than at those sites.

A lot of your regular customers are naive and dumb and don't understand they're being played. Your smart customers don't join or at least get out fast after joining after learning the women don't behave right. Hot young women aren't starving for local or international attention from males so a guy has to ask himself why is she online with him for hours at 2 AM in the morning everyday. Cash, trips and gifts are all motivating factors.

 I've banned more agencies and ladies than any other site in the industry, but sooner or later, you simply establish the rules, draw the line, and then hold your ground.  They all know, "three strikes and you're out"!  

Yeah, I know how that works. Do what you have to do to make us $ but don't get caught or you're outta here.

[Jooky]

This entire "attack" was "dreamed up" by a competitor who does NOT offer Video Chat or Chat services, and then was perpetrated by a few "key" false identities!  Period.  

Was the following 'dreamed up' by a competitor?

I will add something to this that I have witnessed myself.

My wife was on HRB/RLM and she was also with the Orchid Agency in Odessa.
The reason my wife went to the agency is because her best friends sister was a translator there and talked her into it.

My wife directly stated that Orchid paid girls to chat on cam and also go on dates. However they did not pay all girls. Others (including my wife) were told they also had to spend ---- amount of time on cam or else.......

Now the difference between paid girls and Other girls is Paid girls had no interest in meeting anyone. The Other girls were interested and thought the idea of meeting people across the world was interesting however even all them did not consider marriage.

When I went to Odessa the first time my wife showed me the location of the agency. She did not want to walk up to the agency herself because she did not want to see them. My wife broke the bonds and we found a way to communicate ourselves.
However I did go. it was behind a wall off the main street. The area was a part of Odessa were it seems all bus routes met down town. This is one reason they chose the location because it was easy for all girls to get there.
After walking through the opening in the wall to an open alley way (it was wider an neater then the average alley way, more of an open area) I did see a very big Women and a girl (very much a familiar face on HRB and on cam) arguing outside. I had no idea what they were saying since I only know english. They looked at me strange and in a way stopped their argument I presume so I would not see what they were talking about. I walked past them and farther down not going into the office but walking by it.
I saw the two ladies go back into the office. I then proceeded back and decided to walk in acting as if I was lost.
As soon as I entered the agency I saw instantly a Man behind the computer on the zolushka (HRB agency site) with a chat window open typing away. There was no girl near or around him at all.
At this time the larger lady more or less through me out. While I did not know what she was saying I am sure it was not very nice.
I went back out and found my wife. My wife at that point proceeded to tell me that she heard the two ladies arguing and it was about money. The young lady felt the agency ripped her off and was pointing out how many dates she went on and how many hours she was in chat and felt she was under paid.

The girl who worked at the agency my wife knew quit. She also said what a scam the agency was and reason she left. She even will tell how the interpretors were forced to write fake letters and engage in chat sessions (without cam) or they would be fired. She also stated the agency paid girls to chat on cam and none of the girls were serious. They applied to employment ads and not ads for meeting Men for a relationship.

My wifes profile was also up on HRB a year after she left. My wife had written to HRB several times and they would not remove the profile. It was not until she posted on a public forum (an older forum no longer around that Patrick use to go to) telling everyone on forum how they would not remove her profile to get HRB to finally take it down. It also took putting the link up to her profile on the forum to get it done so others could see.

While I cannot say all things going on there the above I witnessed myself and am married to a girl as well as know one who worked for this agency through HRB.
Now the above all applies to Orchid Agency. This was the actions of Orchid Agency and not HRB. But I will say that all was reported to HRB and nothing was done about it.

Direct questions for HRB and Manny. I'd like a serious response if possible. (Not 'it's better to feel loved, I guess').

How do you explain the barrage of chat requests and emails that cost credits to open that any man gets?

What is the incentive for women to desire to chat to men without being at all selective?

What is the incentive for a 19 year old extremely beautiful girl to intitiate chat with a below average in all aspects 60 year man?

[tim 360]

Faux Pas:

Women are simply not paid to chat by HRB/RLM, and all HRB/RLM Agencies are forbidden to pay ladies to chat as part of an Independent Agency Agreement.  I obviously cannot "guarantee" (nor would I take on THAT liability) that it has not happened.  But I do NOT say this as any form of admission, OR as some "sneaky" way to attempt to "skate" the issue, but merely because it could happen and would be hard for us to prove, (unless we discover a chat or email "admission" on the site).  I know that the majority of the so-called "complaints" about our company were "fabricated" by people who stood to gain financially by defaming us.

I can't say I have read many guys here on RWD complaining about HRB.  I recall I've seen a couple guys come on and make one or two negative posts about them and then disappear.  But, can't say I recall anything with meat-on-the-bones.  Sculpco,  I'd have to deeply discount his rants.


I went to the HRB web page and it looks like the regular dog-and-pony-show for the guys to ooggle and most suckers will pony up to chit-chat.  I don't see anybody forcing them.  Like with Aweb--they are just suckers with fantasies and they pay for their little fantasy.

Anybody have some real dirt on HRB or is this all just innuendo and 4th hand stories?    Jooky seems to have some info.

[Shadow]

Look at the activity of some of the ladies at your site. Some are on the computer at wee hours of the morning and stay on half the day. Do you want to know how real women in real life operate? They have a life and can't spend that much time on the computer. Join the free sites freepersonals.ru or Mamba.ru or the paid site bride.ru and you'll understand that the women at your site clearly behave much differently than at those sites.

BillyB, you would be surprised at the time single women and men (or the married ones for that matter :evil:) can spend at the computer.
If teenage gamers can sit until 4:00 AM on school days, so can young women sit in chat if they enjoy them selves. Being someone who used to sleep early I can tell that when I got my first serious date from the US on ICQ suddenly sitting until 2:00AM was not a problem.

Not all women have to sit in the office of the agency. 

[facetrock]

  I, facetrock am now a proud member of HRB with 50 hot credits in my pocket to blow like a drunken sailor on a Saturday night.

As soon as I finished my profile I was swamped with chat requests. Here are the gals.

Alion123   age  25

Sexyblon9        20

Tatyana24        24

Cheekyshy        19

Lio_Lia             22

Moonlight26      26

TanyaCute        23

Lyuduska          30

Your_Chance     20

HotCleo            27

OlgaSun           22

Dash1450         22

Anuta78          23

Katrinity          21

Bodylanguage   21

Esfera           18

Blondequeen    forgot but young

Jannee           18

Lost Angel       22

Entrancira       19

_Lisa_            20

Glow              32

Tanucheka      26

All this within 15 minutes.
I had a hard time keeping up writing them down so I might have spelled a few wrong.


Got a mail from Gingernat. Hot little number. 22 years old

Not bad for a 62 year old 5'5" 220lb bald Muslim guy who speaks Yiddish. I have a feeling no matter what I put in my profile these girls would still want to chat.

All the girls were very hot.

CEO, come on dude. You think this is all legit? You think these babes really want to chat with a guy like this?  Your going to tell people here you dont think you have a problem with agencys paying these girls to sit and chat with men? I dont buy the "aggressive girl" crap either.

Spot me a bunch of credits and I bet after one or two chat sessions these girls would be telling Mr.Fatman they love him.

Sorry CEO, I think your site is in the same catagory as late night TV info commercials.

[Manny]

Jooky, you neglected to link the source of your quote: Here it is.

Direct questions for HRB and Manny........

Why ask me? Ask the fellow whose business model you are critiquing.

[facetrock]

  CEO. I use several pay by the month sites that have chat also. The difference is that chat comes free with your monthly membership. There are thousands of hot young babes on those sites but its very seldom(cant remember the last time) they try to chat with a 50 year old guy like myself.
  But on your site where I have to pay for chat they swarm around me like a stirred up beehive. Wonder why that is? Anyone here have a clue why that might be?? Anyone? Anyone?

[Jooky]

Facetrock, how many of those girls are in Ukraine? 1 AM on a Saturday night. Young hotties have nothing better to do than chat with 60 year old fogies.

Why ask me? Ask the fellow whose business model you are critiquing.

Why ask you? Because the discussion was prompted by my response to your post and you are here defending and applauding this business model.

So what's your honest opinion? Or are you incapable of giving one?

You're saying this is all legit, so what's your explanation for what Facetrock just posted?