Review/Critique/Roast of HRB/RLM

[Shadow]

Shadow most of the detractors against the practices of HRB on this thread and forum find the whole idea of having to sift through whores and sex chat girls to find more honest, more morally refined women for possible marriage a bit repulsive. Understandably so, who wants to waste time, effort and expense courting a whore?

There are many men and HRB customers that obviously want just that. Thats all well and good but, playing both sides of the fence may work and be acceptable for the whore seekers, it doesn't sit real well with those in a serious quest for meet and date a more "wholesome" woman. There does seem to me to be an answer and happy medium here  but, it doesn't seem to be something CEO or HRB is interested in pursuing.

I agree, however there is no guarantee that on another site you are not corresponding with the same type of women, they just seem easier to ignore.

New guys should be warned that not every woman that contacts them is interested. In fact if they would read up they would find that a very large part of the women that make the first step have alterior motives. That goes for every place the guy signs up to, even those with the highest reputation.

[Shadow]

I meant to respond to this shadow. Yes Russian Flora bombards me with emails and spam as well as 100s or 1000s of other legitimate businesses. Often, I will even look at them and on occasion partake. I was and still am a pretty good customer to them but, the difference is they don't have young hotties showing me their hooters and needing my CC# to webchat.  

Does that mean you feel HRB is not a legitimate business ?

[Faux Pas]

Does that mean you feel HRB is not a legitimate business ?

No doubt it's legitimate for the sex industry and soaking some lonely sap of his money. It's a business that obviously has a large clientele and is filling a niche. I have no problem with that aspect. But to recommend it as a legitimate bride/marriage agency? Thats quite a stretch. No matter how much lipstick and rouge you put on that pig, it's still a pig

[BC]

Zero experience Manny? Oh have I forgotten again? Damn it, Nobody's experience can triumph Manny's? Or is it I am not credible? Surely, nobody's credibility tops Manny? Bullsh!t.

I have an opinion Manny. Here, my experience, credibility and opinion is just as valid as yours. Kind'a pisses you off don't it?

I haven't twisted anyones words. If you wish to call the bare-breasted girls on HRB with they're shirts off "good Christian girls", wholesome and pure as the driven snow marriage material you go right ahead. Maybe you'd put your daughter to work there?

Now you are parsing words Manny. If you wish to continue to defend such practices, please go right ahead but your attempt at white washing it has failed. Selling sex chat with bare-breasted women (whores) is whoring not marriage brokering

Wow FP.. mind sharing your login/pw with me for a little..  well.. 'research'?  Did you really see breasts?

Did anyone here really see breasts, or maybe even more?

I'm a fan of the scientific method (and breasts) that requires that observable phenomena be reproducible . I'll be happy to report the results..  Heck I'd even throw in screenshots and chat transcripts.  Can anyone share their evidence with us here?  I'd really like to get to the bottom of this..

 

Seriously, after 10 pages of discussion where's the red hot smoking gun and is it the norm?  Is a little spam and chocolate all we got so far?

I do know that from since 2002 when I first joined a forum, every 'system' touted has not raised the level of success over that of of finding a needle in a haystack - and often even that results in bloodied fingers to those considering themselves lucky.  Is this just another haystack to pick through?

[Shadow]

That would leave only Jooky and me, and we would not send flowers to each other.

"Trash?!"  Doesn't say much for my fellow man and the female jewels dear to my spirit.  A little testy today?

Parent of a 4 month old baby... explains all. :hipdude:

[Shadow]

No doubt it's legitimate for the sex industry and soaking some lonely sap of his money. It's a business that obviously has a large clientele and is filling a niche. I have no problem with that aspect. But to recommend it as a legitimate bride/marriage agency? Thats quite a stretch. No matter how much lipstick and rouge you put on that pig, it's still a pig

There is a difference between recommending and accepting it as it is.

As far as I know there is no sex offered in the chat or video, and there are legitimate marriages through the site. In fact I am pretty sure that if the CEO would be interested in the sex industry, he could easily make more money with les people nagging.

HRB *is* a bride/marriage site, with some aspects that seems to be attractive to many men and very unattractive to others.

Something just crossed my mind for which I will open a poll.

[Manny]

Zero experience Manny?

Zero experience of Eds site that you were "not recommending" last month. Remember?

Oh have I forgotten again? Damn it, Nobody's experience can triumph Manny's? Or is it I am not credible? Surely, nobody's credibility tops Manny? Bullsh!t.

Well, my experience dwarves yours I think. But as you ask, based on your previous content here, I don't consider you credible.

I have an opinion Manny. Here, my experience, credibility and opinion is just as valid as yours. Kind'a pisses you off don't it?

Here, maybe. You are incorrect in your assertion that it "pisses me off".

I haven't twisted anyones words.

You do it often. I just call you when you when you do it with me.

If you wish to call the bare-breasted girls on HRB with they're shirts off "good Christian girls", wholesome and pure as the driven snow marriage material you go right ahead. Maybe you'd put your daughter to work there?

Evidence of bare breasted girls?

your attempt at white washing it has failed. Selling sex chat with bare-breasted women (whores) is whoring not marriage brokering

I beg to differ. YOUR attempt at whitewashing has failed. Answer the question please:

Whores? Is Tom recommending sifting through whores? I must have missed that......

I know you like twisting words, adding content and making recommendations based on zero experience Faux Pas, but whores? A woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet?

Is it your assertion that these women on HRB are ladies of the night? Can you back up a public statement like that?

[Chelseaboy]

I've never seen any bare-breasted women on HRB,although i haven't responded to any girls inviting me to see them on webcam,with sexual overtone messages.TomT alluded to the fact there were girls disrobing on webcam on HRB in the past,but they were removed from the site.

[Manny]

I've never seen any bare-breasted women on HRB,

Faux Pas claims to know all about it. He says they are "whores" too.

We are waiting on his proof of both.

[Jooky]

Is a little spam and chocolate all we got so far?

BC, when a third of the ladies online are targetting one guy and 150 / day are mailing a guy, I'd say the spam is more than just a little.

Is it your assertion that these women on HRB are ladies of the night?

While you're playing the silly Dictionary game you should look up the definition of the word 'usually'.

You should sign up on HRB (as a 'lady'). Maybe someone can help you with English lessons. It only costs $600.  

'My experience is bigger than your experience.'  

Manny, do you recommend HRB as a good site for a man to find a wife?

PS: HOTCAT11, can't see the nipples, but the breasts are bare. She's not the only one. Girls in their bras and panties abound. Ever used HRB, Mr. Experienced?

[Jooky]

Just like I recommend EM these days, despite my apprehension, because it is what I used and where I met my wife.

If you have apprehension, don't recommend it. If you met your wife at McDonald's would you recommend it as a good place to specifically look for a wife? If you think it's a long shot and not a good place to meet a wife, even though it worked for you, then don't recommend it.

I mean if I hit a jackpot on a slot machine at Harrahs, I'm not going to recommend it as a good way to make money to all my friends. 

My recommendations are about easy ways to meet good (decent, intelligent, non materialistic, interesting) women, not 'sorting the wheat from the chaff' to find 'needles in a haystack'. I've also had some 'needle in a haystack' experiences, but I don't recommend them.

[GQBlues]

If you have apprehension, don't recommend it. If you met your wife at McDonald's would you recommend it as a good place to specifically look for a wife? If you think it's a long shot and not a good place to meet a wife, even though it worked for you, then don't recommend it.

McDonald's? WTF? Since when did they became a 'dating' site/agency?

If you're going to make a supporting counter point to your debate, at the least make one that's a bit more plausible.

Your post is a continuation of my exchange with FP, which in context of my conversation with him implied which dating agency/sites I used to meet my wife....

Now...if the question was made in broader term and someone asked me where I met my wife, then I will tell them McDonald's if in fact it was true. Capice?

[facetrock]

  The problem with a site like HRB where you get the flood of chat requests and emails it doesnt take long to get paranoid as hell. You would really wonder if anyone on the site is real. I met a few local guys who started using Aweb right out of the box. Within a month they were totally turned off and came to the conclusion that FSU women were nothing but a scam and fantasy. That was after about a thousand bucks out of both of them.
 
  Manny you want proof of bare tits? Whats the difference if a chat girl promises but you dont spend the credits on cam to see it. Still the same trampish mindset.
 
  What happened to your arguement that this was just a few prodaters trying to hit up a new guy on HRB????????

[wicheese]

I've never seen any bare-breasted women on HRB,although i haven't responded to any girls inviting me to see them on webcam,with sexual overtone messages.TomT alluded to the fact there were girls disrobing on webcam on HRB in the past,but they were removed from the site.

In the 2+ days on the site I have not seen any bare-brested women, but a few with very wet white t-shirts. Others with no clothes other than a sheet barely covering the strategic parts of the body and quite a few more wearing clothing that left just enough to the imagination to make it interesting (I think a few led me to comment "that's good marketing"   ).  

I'll should also report, that many profiles had ladies wearing normal clothing without the skimpy swimsuit pics, but these were mostly those that I looked at based on my initial query and not those that wrote me.  

A few of the clothing challenged ones had subject lines in their profiles that mentioned sex, but I did not have any reason to think that it was more than a hook to "suck" a few credits out-of-you.  

Anyways, from what I have seen, I would not recommend HRB to anyone unless they are looking to live an online fantasy.  But, as TomT alluded to, with a lot of luck and spending a lot of credits I have no doubt that a few good ones could be found (I just think their are a lot better ways of going about your search). There is even a thread of a man over on RUA who found his fiancee on HRB, but reading his thread has more than a few members raising red flags (as it seemed like a rather pained process).

[Jooky]

McDonald's? WTF? Since when did they became a 'dating' site/agency?

If you're going to make a supporting counter point to your debate, at the least make one that's a bit more plausible.

Your post is a continuation of my exchange with FP, which in context of my conversation with him implied which dating agency/sites I used to meet my wife....

Now...if the question was made in broader term and someone asked me where I met my wife, then I will tell them McDonald's if in fact it was true. Capice?

My point is simply that there's no need to recommend anywhere as good place to meet a wife (dating agency or not) even if it's where you met yours.

[Manny]

Manny, do you recommend HRB as a good site for a man to find a wife?

The "Which site do you recommend" has come up on various radio shows I have done across the US and Canada. I don't recommend any one site or approach that fits all men. It very much depends on the man. If he is socially inept, or damaged (and we have seen on this very topic that *some* men regard women as whores for example), or someone who has never left the US, he needs to take a different approach to a man who is confident and well travelled (and some should just stay home altogether -- lets be honest). 

Another type of guy needs a a one-on-one approach like that which Ed offers. Some guys pay thousands to go on (often times) fruitless tours and socials don't they? There is not a one-size-fits-all solution, so the question of recommendations needs to be tailored to the individual and is not at all black and white.

A guy who has read our book, and read the two recommended forums in depth, could most likely find a wife at HRB without too much difficulty. My wife has several clients that she has worked with who are now married to women from Anastasiaweb for example. Yet you guys scream blue murder and howl "scam site" whenever they are mentioned. As with anything, education on the subject matter is key.

There is even a thread of a man over on RUA who found his fiancee on HRB

Look Jooky, some people are making HRB work for them. I bet that is *really* inconvenient for your -- as yet undisclosed -- agenda here isn't it?

I am still waiting for Faux Pas to give us evidence of the very silly stuff he has written.

[Boethius]

I am still waiting for Faux Pas to give us evidence of the very silly stuff he has written.

He gave you his opinion.  Drop this and move on to more productive discussion, please.

[Manny]

He gave you his opinion.  Drop this and move on to more productive discussion, please.

I respectfully disagree. I asked him very valid questions and asked him to back up his published opinions with evidence.

Although he is a mod somewhere on here I think? That shouldn't give him diplomatic immunity. I am sure he doesn't need your support. He is a big boy, he can speak for himself I am sure. He made some pretty outrageous statements he should justify/explain/prove to the community.

[Jooky]

Look Jooky, some people are making HRB work for them. I bet that is *really* inconvenient for your -- as yet undisclosed -- agenda here isn't it?

What do you imagine my undisclosed agenda to be?

My recommendations and agenda on these sites hasn't changed for years and it that should be apparent to all but the paranoid.

[GQBlues]

My point is simply that there's no need to recommend anywhere as good place to meet a wife (dating agency or not) even if it's where you met yours.

Fine. Tell that to FP. My post you quoted was in response to HIS direct query to me since he was asking for clarification. It has nothing whatsoever to do whether we should, or should not, give recommendations...

[Gator]

Manny,

Why get so upset about what the aggressive and titillating girls are called?   Call them a gauntlet of cheerful greeters.  If a man manages to pass the gauntlet and conducts a sincere and thorough search for marriage quality women, HRB still costs the man far more than EM would have (my quick estimate is $2000 vs. $99). And the HRB method has more implied risk. 

Far greater cost and higher implied risk.  Do the "rewards" justify the premium?  Personally I did not distinguish a difference in quality between HRB vs. EM for 40-something women.

 

 

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pas claims to know all about it. He says they are "whores" too.

We are waiting on his proof of both.

Proof of both? Manny I am not obligated to provide you with diddly squat. You're trying to bait me. I'm not biting. You haven't a clue as to my experience and I don't find you worthy of disclosure. I don't have to use Eduard to know that I don't want to or know that I wouldn't recommend him. I don't have to wife hunt at HRB to know that I don't want to or wouldn't recommend it. If that pisses you off, get over it.

I consider any bare-breasted girl in sex webcam chat a whore. Selling herself for the titillation of the Manny's of the world is whorish. Yes, I find them on equal footing to ladies of the night. Did Tom call them whores? Could you point to me where I said Tom called them whores? I called them whores Manny. Why are you parsing and attempting to attribute something to me I didn't say?

[Boethius]

Manny and FP, please drop the back and forth, or I will move it to NHB.

Thank you.

[GQBlues]

Did anyone here really see breasts, or maybe even more?

Breasts?!? Women with Breasts?!! OMG, NO!!! Run, Forest, RUN!!!







lighten up, just having fun

[Manny]

Proof of both? Manny I am not obligated to provide you with diddly squat. You're trying to bait me. I'm not biting. You haven't a clue as to my experience and I don't find you worthy of disclosure. I don't have to use Eduard to know that I don't want to or know that I wouldn't recommend him. I don't have to wife hunt at HRB to know that I don't want to or wouldn't recommend it. If that pisses you off, get over it.

I consider any bare-breasted girl in sex webcam chat a whore. Selling herself for the titillation of the Manny's of the world is whorish. Yes, I find them on equal footing to ladies of the night. Did Tom call them whores? Could you point to me where I said Tom called them whores? I called them whores Manny. Why are you parsing and attempting to attribute something to me I didn't say?

I think we can all see the problem here.

As per Boethius's request, I wont upset you further with facts or logic on this topic Faux Pas.

Readers can draw their own conclusions about your bizarre statements.