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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2010, 08:40:19 PM »
Jews have lived in Azerbaijan for centuries, GQ.  Garry Kasparov's father was an Azeri Jew.  The "Muslim" countries of the FSU do not have the same problems with Jews as Arab countries do.

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Only a Russian man would be able to leave an attractive, well groomed wife as Zoya is, for a person who is just younger than Zoya.

I know for a fact this is not correct.  Think of Prince Charles, as a prominent example.  Men leave attractive wives all the time.  We don't live with a body.

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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2010, 08:41:13 PM »
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Only a Russian man would be able to leave an attractive, well groomed wife as Zoya is, for a person who is just younger than Zoya.
That's not true! Come on- "only Russian man"!

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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2010, 08:52:45 PM »
Actually I agree with Lily- Ilana didn't disturb the stereotype as she left her husband for a "better man".
I am sure there were   some other reasons but Maxx is pushing Ivy's being busy with the store. So, "noble" Ilanda left her husband because of his work.
Not so?
I know what it is - I mean a very busy man, because I am married to one. I have to be "more noble" I guess.
Come on, people! She left him and this is what happened.
BTW, Yelena did same but with some "k-1 visa flavor".
I know, it is not nice to say that, but again- this is what happened 2 times to Ivy.

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2010, 09:05:48 PM »
What "some people" and what are these "stereotypes of what they think Russian women are like"?
Russian (BTW Ilana is not Russian))) woman are like what?

Most Americans lump all FSU women together and do not differentiate between the countries. In their minds Romanian Nadia Comaneci is Russian. Most people do not give them much thought. When they search their memories to get an image of what Russian women are like they come up with Natasha of Rocky and Bullwinkle fame and the Russian girls of the James Bond movies. These are the enlightened ones. The rest think this
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2010, 09:20:07 PM »

Is Michael, Zoya's husband and Yelena's lover, also Russian? I think he is. Only a Russian man would be able to leave an attractive, well groomed wife as Zoya is, for a person who is just younger than Zoya.



He sure is. Zoya is about ten years older than Michael. He and Yelena were about the same age. Early forties I believe. Avi and Zoya are about the same age. Early Mid to later fifties. Avi being the older. 

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« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2010, 09:56:07 PM »
Actually I agree with Lily- Ilana didn't disturb the stereotype as she left her husband for a "better man".
I am sure there were   some other reasons but Maxx is pushing Ivy's being busy with the store. So, "noble" Ilanda left her husband because of his work.
Not so?
I know what it is - I mean a very busy man, because I am married to one. I have to be "more noble" I guess.
Come on, people! She left him and this is what happened.
BTW, Yelena did same but with some "k-1 visa flavor".
I know, it is not nice to say that, but again- this is what happened 2 times to Ivy.

Many of the Americans that see this film describe Ilana as noble. These are their words. What would be her motive to come on camera like this? It takes guts.

Now Zoya might be a different matter. That is a woman scorned. I have no hard feelings toward her. I understand. According to Zoya he threw it into her face that she couldn't prove anything. She then hired the Russian detective when he went to visit his 83 year old sick father. You know the one who was going to the casino every day.

Marriages break up all the time. The difference is that with most of these breakups do not go like this



That is there is the intention before the marriage to end it as soon as possible. That is to secure immigration status as soon as possible and then split. In other words not giving the marriage a chance but lining up another man/woman eventually to be with before stepping off the plane. A planned failure from the get go. There is a difference don't you think?
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« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2010, 09:57:16 PM »
so sad, too bad.  hope she gets hers.

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« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2010, 03:23:11 AM »
"Why get married? Just find someone you hate and buy them a house."

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« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2010, 05:42:15 AM »
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What would be her motive to come on camera like this? It takes guts.
We can only guess. She did leave Avi for a "better man", didn't she? Ah, yes- there is a big difference between marriage of 30 years and just months. The result is same.
I am not justifying Yelena though.
Ilana is sure that Yelena is a gold digger and she herself is not.Then why  - "she just met a doctor"?   :-\
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« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2010, 06:28:05 AM »
He sure is. Zoya is about ten years older than Michael. He and Yelena were about the same age. Early forties I believe. Avi and Zoya are about the same age. Early Mid to later fifties. Avi being the older. 

From this, we can see that age difference is not quite an issue when it comes to international marriages. Here we have mature people, Yelena in her early forties and Avi in his late fifties, and still a Green Card betrayal between people of same cultures.

So you ask us what do we think of that? I'd say the story is telling us that no maturity, no age differences, no common language and cultures can save anyone from abuse and betrayal. That's what it is about.
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« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2010, 07:31:35 AM »
We can only guess. She did leave Avi for a "better man", didn't she? Ah, yes- there is a big difference between marriage of 30 years and just months. The result is same.
I am not justifying Yelena though.
Ilana is sure that Yelena is a gold digger and she herself is not.Then why  - "she just met a doctor"?   :-\

How can you possibly know this? Depending on ones own moral fiber of course, from the information provided, Avi would be the much "better" man by a country mile. Yelena's other man is both a liar and adulterer. Avi is a victim of lies and deceit by both Yelena and her new man. You've gone over the top is trying to play the devils advocate here Doll.

Even though both of Avi's marriages ended in divorce thus have the same "end result", they are far from the same. His first marriage based on love (apparently) lasted 30 years and resulted in two children. By most accounts that can still be considered a successful marriage even though it ended. His second marriage was built on lies, deceit and outright fraud. Very few similarities there.

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« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2010, 07:53:41 AM »
Maxx2,
I'd like to address this issue from a slightly different angle.  Hopefully our readers here will avoid such situations by taking the time to build real relationships before marriage.

What are some of the warning signs you've noticed in your interviews?  The glaring one here for me was that this woman was so completely cold and distant from day one.  Avi seemed to make excuses for her behavior at the time (though he didn't actually say much about it).

What are some others which may be more subtle?
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« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2010, 08:22:40 AM »
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How can you possibly know this?
What do you mean- how? She said it herself, then Maxx added that Avi " was always busy with his store". BTW, the store " was going south" at this time, so put 2 and 2 together.
Ah, we still are the family"! Sure. Ilana is married to a doctor. 8) Avi was desperately lonely, he just wanted to be with somebody. He said it himself.

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Avi would be the much "better" man by a country mile. 
Yet, his first wife left him. Not so? His business was failing, he was completely lonely.
Now she is defending him.
I do feel bad for Avi, but I can see why Ilana "had guts" to come to the camera.

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« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2010, 08:25:02 AM »
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Avi is a victim of lies and deceit by both Yelena and her new man. You've gone over the top is trying to play the devils advocate here Doll.
Not at all. I agree Avi had a bad luck, and Yelena and her bf are immoral.
I just made a remark about Ilana.

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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2010, 08:29:43 AM »
Not at all. I agree Avi had a bad luck, and Yelena and her bf are immoral.
I just made a remark about Ilana.

And it's a valid observation. Ilana may very well have been devoted until the ship began to sink. Entirely possible she traded up.  It's also possible that Avi came home and brought the stresses of the business to his wife and took it out on her, which is something that she may be above discussing.  There's a considerable amount of space between the lines of this synopsis for interpretive reading. 
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« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2010, 08:31:54 AM »
Just out of curiosity- how was this $250,000 in the picture? Unless it was their joint account which I doubt.

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« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2010, 08:40:57 AM »
And it's a valid observation. Ilana may very well have been devoted until the ship began to sink. Entirely possible she traded up.  It's also possible that Avi came home and brought the stresses of the business to his wife and took it out on her, which is something that she may be above discussing.  There's a considerable amount of space between the lines of this synopsis for interpretive reading.  
Yes, this is what I read "between the lines". Business like this doesn't fail over night- it takes time, and Ilana definitely saw it coming. Though anything could happen.
I know the families where the wives just got tired of being "home alone", so they left.
It does happen, but then don't come to the camera with this tearing story.
This is what caught my eye, Lily's too.
I do understand that the goal was to show how nice Avi was, but please- Ilana is noble?
Noble wives do not trade their husbands (in most cases). What I see- is how she hates this K-1 stuff. Did you hear what she said about RW on fiancee visa versus Mexican aliens?
This is what was the focus of her  defending after "Avi is not abusive" . It is a very "sensitive material"  8)
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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2010, 08:56:24 AM »
What do you mean- how? She said it herself, then Maxx added that Avi " was always busy with his store". BTW, the store " was going south" at this time, so put 2 and 2 together.
Ah, we still are the family"! Sure. Ilana is married to a doctor. 8) Avi was desperately lonely, he just wanted to be with somebody. He said it himself.
Yet, his first wife left him. Not so? His business was failing, he was completely lonely.
Now she is defending him.
I do feel bad for Avi, but I can see why Ilana "had guts" to come to the camera.

Well, let's turn the table for a moment. If you left your husband right now after 9 years of marriage, is the marriage a failure? Ilana said for a number of years her and Avi were more like relatives than husband and wife.

I'm a bit dumbfounded here Doll of why you wish to deflect the crux of the issue which is Yelena's deceit onto Ilana as if she contributed to it. You are wayy the hell "out there" on that one.  :D

Avi and Ilana's divorce or the reasons for it is not what causes Yelena's deceit

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« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2010, 09:00:08 AM »
Bottom line- it was a bad luck. I personally don't see how he could detect the red flags. Yelena is a good actress, I believe.

BTW, I remember the story on "Russian Women Abroad" when a woman was looking for a man in the same place where he daughter lived- just to be close to her. The woman was hunting only men from that area and she succeeded. She married him on K-1 visa, then left him 1 or 2 years ago. I don't think she wanted to leave like that, but it did happen.
Same case- she used the man. No DVC though.

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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2010, 09:07:49 AM »
Faux Pas, I don't know about my marriage if the divorce happens. Can't think of myself :D


I am not defending Yelena and her BF, I am just commenting Maxx's words about Ilanda.
What happened to Avi is terrible.
Just a question- why did he apply to Immigration Service so many times? Ok, fraud is bad, but how could it help him? I am not sure how it works.

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« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2010, 09:09:04 AM »
Bottom line- it was a bad luck. I personally don't see how he could detect the red flags. Yelena is a good actress, I believe.

BTW, I remember the story on "Russian Women Abroad" when a woman was looking for a man in the same place where he daughter lived- just to be close to her. The woman was hunting only men from that area and she succeeded. She married him on K-1 visa, then left him 1 or 2 years ago. I don't think she wanted to leave like that, but it did happen.
Same case- she used the man. No DVC though.

Avi created most of his own bad luck here, no doubt. However, this doesn't allow Yelena off the hook. She is a deceitful liar and a thief. Avi is only guilty of being horny and stupid.  ;)

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« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2010, 09:10:50 AM »
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No.

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« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2010, 09:14:44 AM »
Avi created most of his own bad luck here, no doubt. However, this doesn't allow Yelena off the hook. She is a deceitful liar and a thief. Avi is only guilty of being horny and stupid.  ;)
I agree, yet I don't know if he could see anything wrong.
I myself asked money for my older son's military service, also J. sent me money for   some hospital stuff. It was less than $7,000 but close. What else could be the "signs"? Nothing.
It was a bad luck.

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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2010, 09:20:45 AM »
Faux Pas, I don't know about my marriage if the divorce happens. Can't think of myself :D


I am not defending Yelena and her BF, I am just commenting Maxx's words about Ilanda.
What happened to Avi is terrible.
Just a question- why did he apply to Immigration Service so many times? Ok, fraud is bad, but how could it help him? I am not sure how it works.

Borne out of frustration I suppose and lack of identifying where his solutions are if they exist at all. The sad fact is, AM in this pursuit, once they marry the foreign  woman are for all intent and purposes, out of the picture except for the AOS as far as USCIS are concerned. USCIS couldn't care less about fraud on Yelena's part. They possess the AOS and other documents Avi submitted with the K-1 that Yelena was not involved in fraud. At that point, it is a long row to hoe for the AM to prove fraud as far as USCIS is concerned.

Ilana's only purpose in the film (IMO) is to show that while Avi is a decent, good and educated fellow, that perhaps he isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. She still has a degree of concern for her ex-husband and the father of her children

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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2010, 09:33:22 AM »
I agree.

 

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