WikiLeaks: U.S. Gov't 'Secretly Backed' Egyptian Dissidents

[possum]

The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289686/Egypt-protests-Americas-secret-backing-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html

Hmmmm I've been wondering who the puppet master was pulling the strings in this bogus 'uprising'.. It's Orange Revolution all over again, except more violent..

ETA: someone posted a while ago they were staying away from Egypt for fear of violence or something like that.. At the time I thought they were just being stubborn, but it turns out they were right.. Was it you, Ed? 

[Shadow]

Somehow 2011 has given a budget to uprising in various countries.

Tunisia - the president has been removed
Lebanon - while under control for now, large demonstrations can turn in to a new civil war at any moment
Egypt - With the people unleashed, I doubt the president will be able to stay in power
Ivory coast - Well nothing really new there, it has been giving problems for a long time.

Seems to be a matter of time until something will be taking the focus of attention from internal things to a world stage, a proven diversion tactic in times of trouble.

[possum]

Somehow 2011 has given a budget to uprising in various countries.

Tunisia - the president has been removed
Lebanon - while under control for now, large demonstrations can turn in to a new civil war at any moment
Egypt - With the people unleashed, I doubt the president will be able to stay in power
Ivory coast - Well nothing really new there, it has been giving problems for a long time.

Seems to be a matter of time until something will be taking the focus of attention from internal things to a world stage, a proven diversion tactic in times of trouble.

There's a definite pattern to all of these 'uprisings' and how they all began at about the same time.. It looks like a well-coordinated effort by someone big and powerful.

[dbneeley]

There's a definite pattern to all of these 'uprisings' and how they all began at about the same time.. It looks like a well-coordinated effort by someone big and powerful.

Not necessarily. There has been a strong undercurrent of discontent for some time in most of these countries. When the other countries see a revolt succeed in Tunisia, that can be the match that lights the fire in their locales.

Note that Egypt's government learned from watching the dissidents in Iran and elsewhere getting their stories out to the world through the Internet--so they turned off the Net relatively early on...which they also hoped would inhibit communication within Egypt as well.

David

[tfcrew]

  It looks like a well-coordinated effort by someone big and powerful. 

Perhaps, but not America.
    Egypt...'America's closest ally in the mid-east'?
It must have been a sorry relationship that the US intellegence people didn't see this coming. Now they're all stranded over there.

'Keep your friends close..but keep your enemies closer' ..... Vito Corleone

[Blues Fairy]

There's a definite pattern to all of these 'uprisings' and how they all began at about the same time.. It looks like a well-coordinated effort by someone big and powerful.

I wish it were, but unfortunately it's out of character for the Obama administration.  I think they should be more active in backing the opposition in authoritarian countries; I particularly root for Belarus and its opposition.  They definitely could use some help, but the Europeans are wusses and won't give it.

[possum]

I wish it were, but unfortunately it's out of character for the Obama administration.  I think they should be more active in backing the opposition in authoritarian countries; I particularly root for Belarus and its opposition.  They definitely could use some help, but the Europeans are wusses and won't give it.

I don't think the Obama administration is any different than the previous administration when it comes to these sort of international intrigues.. The US has been known to openly back one side of a conflict while secretly supporting the other. The goal hasn't changed in decades- to install as many puppet governments around the world as possible, particularly in underdeveloped Asian/Middle Eastern countries, with no consideration for human life.. Oh, I'm sure 100,000 Iraqis are enjoying their freedoms now.. in their graves.

[dbneeley]

I wish it were, but unfortunately it's out of character for the Obama administration.  I think they should be more active in backing the opposition in authoritarian countries; I particularly root for Belarus and its opposition.  They definitely could use some help, but the Europeans are wusses and won't give it.

Since in some if not most of these countries, existing governments may well be replaced by hard-line Islamic regimes it would be characteristically stupid of Obama to back the dissidents. Better would be simply to keep hands off.

David

[Faux Pas]

I don't think the Obama administration is any different than the previous administration when it comes to these sort of international intrigues.. The US has been known to openly back one side of a conflict while secretly supporting the other. The goal hasn't changed in decades- to install as many puppet governments around the world as possible, particularly in underdeveloped Asian/Middle Eastern countries, with no consideration for human life.. Oh, I'm sure 100,000 Iraqis are enjoying their freedoms now.. in their graves.

Geeze possum. How do you really feel? International politics are still politics and the U.S. does no different than any other country participating on the international stage, including Russia. Can you name any armed conflict that took consideration for human life? There isn't any. Armed conflicts intention is death and destruction.

It sounds as if you don't know enough about war, death or dying to make such a statement.

[Blues Fairy]

Since in some if not most of these countries, existing governments may well be replaced by hard-line Islamic regimes it would be characteristically stupid of Obama to back the dissidents. Better would be simply to keep hands off.

David

Last I checked, Islamists were not too active in Belarus.   As for Egypt, the Brotherhood are not the only dissidents there.  Obama would be foolish not to back the democratic, non-hard-line opposition standing for progress and open society.  Keeping hands off plays directly into the hands the Islamists. 

As for Iran, what could be worse than the current regime?  The opposition in 2009 was much less hard-line and where was Obama??