Why do u look for a wife abroad?

[KenC]

[user=716]Jay Patches[/user] wrote:

 I would be very happy to find the right person anywhere.  I enjoy Slavic culture, I enjoy learning the language, I have met some incredible people (romantic, platonic, etc.), I enjoy my travels, but I am anything but obsessed with marrying anyone from any particular nationality. *shrugs*

JP

 

Well said, Jay.  A most healthy outlook indeed. 

KenC

[Michelangelo]

[user=716]Jay Patches[/user] wrote:

I enjoy Slavic culture, I enjoy learning the language, I have met some incredible people (romantic, platonic, etc.), I enjoy my travels, but I am anything but obsessed with marrying anyone from any particular nationality.

Me feelings exacty, JP.  Well said :-)

[Jay Patches]

I really want to emphasize the part about meeting some incredible people.  Learning the language to a certain extent has opened a window that is closed for most men traveling East.  I appreciated the ballet at the Bolshoi, had a history professor take me on a personal tour of the Armory at the Kremlin, drank fresh cows milk with simple farmers, dived for fresh mussels for dinner that night, argued physics with some of the brightest scientists, raced horses at a hippodrome, sat in an amphitheater thousands of years old imagining the plays that used to take place, drank wine from almost every region, and fell in love with a girl.  Of course, my list could go on for many pages, but life is an adventure.  Too many people fly over, sit in restaurants and a few musty museums for 10 days, propose marriage and fly home.  We forget to live life in the process.  It's a pity, really.  Well, it's a pity unless she's got big hooters, then all's great!

JP

[KenC]

Jay,

Now don't get us started with the big hooters again! (You know how we get!)

KenC

[TigerPaws]

[color="blue"][size="4"] What a bunch of dribble and bullsh*it, all this touchy feely talk about culture  and I could have found my love anywhere, Yuck! Give me a break, the vast  majority of us (men) went to the FSU to look for the younger, prettier, more  intelligent, easier to get along with, more traditional (in our mind) girl then  we could have ever found here in America. We (men) were looking for the bigger,  better, deal, so what is wrong with that.

 Stop apologizing for ignoring the  nut cases, bitches and baggage laden women here in America and admit why you  went looking overseas for a lady.[/size][/color]

[RacerX]

TigerPaws,

Often I ignore men on boats, but this time you have truly condensed the essence of this thread.

Some men just like big hooters, enuf said.  Jay Patches (btw, his name is not Jay) summarized the priorities of many of the men seeking FSU women and why they gravitate to Ukraine.

And, sorry Dan, the pecking order of FSUW was 'decided' long before an insignificant number of WM decided to cull a few of the more attractive ones for ourselves.  The fact your lady doesn't originate from Moscow is something she will understand and will not feel the need to defend.

The only thing I have a low tolerance for is men who frequent RW forums and tell us they would find any women acceptable no matter her point of origination or they just happened to marry a woman from the FSU... utter BS!

[BC]

The only thing I have a low tolerance for is men who frequent RW forums and tell us they would find any women acceptable no matter her point of origination or they just happened to marry a woman from the FSU... utter BS!

Interesting..  care to elucidate?

 

[Michelangelo]

Some men just like big hooters, enuf said. Jay Patches (btw, his name is not Jay) summarized the priorities of many of the men seeking FSU women and why they gravitate to Ukraine.

And, sorry Dan, the pecking order of FSUW was 'decided' long before an insignificant number of WM decided to cull a few of the more attractive ones for ourselves.
The only thing I have a low tolerance for is men who frequent RW forums and tell us they would find any women acceptable no matter her point of origination or they just happened to marry a woman from the FSU... utter BS!

Racer, Racer, fine--except you speak for yourself and not all men. In your efforts to reach a simple solution, you miss the point of some of us.

There are many different reasons men prefer girls from different regions of the FSU.

My first girl was from Russia; so, for me, been there, done that, and I do not like Russia and her leader and her politics and propaganda.

Give me an Orange girl any day. We have much more to agree upon...

[RacerX]

BC ~ It's really quite simple... without knowing you or other WM who post thousands (sooner or later) of posts on RW forums, I can easily make a few characterizations:

1.  You are at least >2 Std. Dev. older than the 'normal' age for RW/RM marriages.
2   Your wife is more attractive than the "average" FSUW.
3.  Although the larger proportion of FSUW emigrate from Russia, their wife is a UW.
4.  They will always tell you they had little interest in FSUW, but just happened to meet one while exploring the cultural aspects of the Russian Federation.
5.  If pressed, they will tell you they look much younger than their 'advanced' age.
6.  On RW forums they are first to say:  they would find any woman acceptable...RW are only an extension of the normal pool of eligible women.... and other easily discountable BS.

Michael ~ Big "hooters" was not my description, nor what I was seeking, but I am sure filled the bill for many.

Oh crap - now I'm beginning to sound like one of those Antidate RW.  :cool:

[KenC]

BC ~ It's really quite simple... without knowing you or other WM who post thousands (sooner or later) of posts on RW forums, I can easily make a few characterizations:

1.  You are at least >2 Std. Dev. older than the 'normal' age for RW/RM marriages. True, but I always have looked at my wife's youth as a disadvantage.
2   Your wife is more attractive than the "average" FSUW. Very true.
3.  Although the larger proportion of FSUW emigrate from Russia, their wife is a UW. False.  My wife is from Russia.
4.  They will always tell you they had little interest in FSUW, but just happened to meet one while exploring the cultural aspects of the Russian Federation.  False.  Even though I have always had an interest in Russia (being of Russian decent) I basically went to Russia to meet my wife,
5.  If pressed, they will tell you they look much younger than their 'advanced' age.  False.  I look my age and maybe a little older.
6.  On RW forums they are first to say:  they would find any woman acceptable...RW are only an extension of the normal pool of eligible women.... and other easily discountable BS.  Some what untrue.  I think I was rather happy dating AW, not to say that my Russian wife is a huge upgrade in many ways.  I was ignorant of the many things that I think are better with a RW over AW at the time.

Michael ~ Big "hooters" was not my description, nor what I was seeking, but I am sure filled the bill for many.

Oh crap - now I'm beginning to sound like one of those Antidate RW.  :cool:

But I understand where your coming from with this.

KenC

[Jay Patches]

You know, I wrote this long rebuttal, then deleted it.  I'm as cynical as the next guy, and I've seen the 60 year old with the 20 something hottie at the table in the restaurant next to me.  Unfortunately, I think a lot of what was said is true.  MOST guys do go over for the younger, prettier, hotter FSUW.

So, let's contrast that with what we see stateside.  Of the dozens of single, hot RW I've met here, none are still married.  Of the married couples I have met, they all look like they belong together.  I have not met the old, ugly geezer still happily married to the young RW hottie.  If someone here has a different set of experiences, speak up.

Yet, the question I answered was the why do I look for a wife abroad.  I answered.  The age and beauty of the women I date here is about the same as those I've met or dated in the FSU (about 10 year age range).  I'm not looking for women out of my league, and strongly recommend others don't either.  I think it's a huge mistake.

As for the hooters, I'm really sorry I made that wise @ss comment.  Well, not really.  I just want to set the record straight.  Scandinavian women have all others beat by several cup sizes.  If that's your criteria, then head North, not East.

[BC]

6.  On RW forums they are first to say:  they would find any woman acceptable...RW are only an extension of the normal pool of eligible women.... and other easily discountable BS. True.. Many years experience with American, German, Italian, Turkish, Spanish women.. All quite nice imho.  I think if I were to actively look for a partner, southern Spain would be my preferred destination.

[Jooky]

the vast majority of us (men) went to the FSU to look for the younger, prettier...

That's it. If you want to be completely honest stop right there. The country of origin is not important. If the vast majority of men looking towards the FSU could get a young pretty girl back home, they would stay right here.

Right now it's easier for an average older guy with more cash the average Russian to land a younger prettier woman in the FSU, so guys look there.

Talk about dribble. The FSU has it's fair share of nut cases, bitches, and baggage laden women.

Most of the women that come to America on a K-1 visa through the mail order bride industry are divorced and / or have children. Isn't that what we consider baggage?

How many stories do we have to read on these boards about the guys who flew across the world to meet or even brought home living nightmares (although hot in some cases) before we realize that all Russian women are not angels?

Selecting a woman because of her country of origin when you truly know nothing about that country is pure lunacy and a load of bull.

I have to admit that I like the women I've met in Russia. I've liked the nut cases and the baggage laden girls as well. I'll pass on the bitches though, and I'll stick to my answer that this was all an accident (an enjoyable one though).

 

[ajayinsead03]

why is there a growing penchant in the russian agencies - to put photos  of Indian models ! Your picture is that of Aishwarya Rai? { I dont care  if you use whatever you use] but why specifically Miss World - from  INDIA when this is a Russian channel? No one is objective, just  curious

[ajayinsead03]

OOsik my man !

Dude Chill out..

You or u.. come on! lest not be parochial!

- its not about learning or not  knowing English.. Its just convenient and well.. quick - on net  chatting we use gr8  for great!  and LOL for luagh out loud !  

 some guys use ya'll - come on.. be honest, a bunch of guys from NY would  call that Hill Billie stuff.. Pinches doesnt it?? Well, our pinch is  pinch and theirs??

lets welcome all.. and not  make judgements like that..

for the record: American English skills are lower than those of their  immigrant counterparts in the  USA or London..

I - as an immigrant -  do get pissed of when they/we  - the immigrants - make fun of the  Americans == for not even knowing their geography, history or hell -  their own language - well.. compared to what? compared to those damn  asians  so.. just because you speak English, dont go parochial on her !  

thats part [not all] of what makes us { I consider myself American, if  this board jury may allow so] being - dare I say - widely- perceived -  to be THAT type of Ugly American!

[ajayinsead03]

very well said.. and true..{ true - as in MHO}

but there is .. well yeah a BUT - there: I dated many AW: almost all of  them were exceptionally nice and beautiful, educated etc feminine { I  have a brown - immigrant ass- coming from India, with a 7/11 accent - I  also know what feminine is] - The only problems with AW were:

• because they were 22 and I was 25 [ u get the point] - I as  an  Indian man{predisposed with cultural dispositions] wanted to  marry - but they were not ready [as most were the Wall Street and  Medical intern types]
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• One  AW - loved me very much - but their dads couldnt  get over the fact that a few decades ago.. the term 'desert nigger' was  part of the colloquial/vernacular - if not a phenomenon :) she wanted  to leave her papa - for that, but we figured that my 'mama' would never  be able to digest that :) yeah Indians and Italian mamas are alike!
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• and well, I agree with you, but to a ceratain extent - I  must say that overall European women are slimmer - EU or  Russian.women.They are slimmer than AW or British women. On an average,  Americans - men or women- need to fight the battle of the 'bulge'. But  yes, women from CA rock in some respects. I know the flames coming my  way !
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• Somehow, even with a high 6 figure salary and a high net  worth; with younger looks than my dates' - they simply found me great  to date, but decided it would be a haste - not to wait. Somehow, the AW  and the British woman feels that - if Madonna can have kids at 38 why  can't she?
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• Juxtapose the above with the all American saying "you dont  have to hurry, settle down when only you find the best'. Well, in the  land that made individualism a religion - find it very difficult to  accept that bilogical clock is not part of some conspircay theory, it  indeed is a medical fact. SO, what happens, at the age of 30, they  start worrying. Sadly enough for a bunch of them, few men are attracted  towards some 30 year old women.. Like it or not, accept it or not, men  at all ages and in all cultures - are attracted towards - that 19 year  old face on the cosmopolitan!
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• Men and women both want the best they can get, in every  society and culture. While some restrict themselves to the local ones-  other exapnd upon for other pasteurs.[/*]    
• Man has/was and will  be - percieved as a hunter and a woman ; a gatherer. We used to hunt  with bows and arrows - now we have different accouterments: times may  have changed, but flavours still remain. The old toy are repalced by  demands of the new economy: brwan is replaced by MBA and Medicine  degrees etc etc { Law, medicine, engg.. mba.. whatever} ! - thats all..  its still the same old war..[/*]  

PLESAE dont degrade AW -- they are also YOUR mothers, YOUR  sisters, YOUR Aunt Sally and YOUR UNcle Harry's daughters.  Please  give me some respect and dont flame me on THIS one- as I an immigrant  man, is asking you - the native - to respect your women, your sister,  your mom. NOt aksing to respect my sister and my mom, how can I be  blamed/flamed for that?[indent]    [list=1]      

• Blame  if you must, please Blame - the economic challenges faced by Americans  -- yeah.. to be better than the Joneses.. come on.. at least ONE person  in this board has to accept that!
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• Many people on this board, state something like " I was  looking for very attractive, very charming, very educated, very  feminine, very polite and very interesting woman! " Well, nothing wrong  with that, I also had a poster of Brooke Sheilds - when I was in the  dorm.
[/*]      
• BUT what if : the RW says: lets do an even exchange: lets see; compare notes and lets call the matchmaker here:
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 [/indent]                               --------------------------------------------------------
                                   AM wants                                        RW wants
                              ----------     --------------------------------------------------[indent]    [indent]      

• very attractive female        ---well to do man [read $]
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• very  charming                      -- need educated man[/*]        
• very  feminine                       -- want a masculine man[/*]        
• very  polite                            -- sophisticated man[/*]        
• very  interesting                  -- need the same
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The laundry list on either side could be long enough and hence, l have  a Green card and enough money Maps well with: I am hot and can be your  honey.

sadly, this is the reality.


my 2 cents:
flame all u can, but please be honest

disclaimer: No I am not Moslem.
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[ajayinsead03]

great post! Michaelangelo

[ajayinsead03]

OOsik:

well, some Jews find Pork wrong, some Moslems find join them in that  respect. Hindus find eating cow meat - UNholy and immoral. IF you dont  think morality is subjective, then according to around 30 % of the  HUMANITY - you - {if u eat pork or beef} can deem you to be inferior,  regardless: if you are celebate or monogamous or whatever is it that  you do.. ! Ever since Bush, this penchant to embrace and identify -  morality and things moral - has become a national pastime. Another one  of those -- reasons - we are perceived - as ugly americans !

[TigerPaws]

[color="#0000ff"][size="2"]the vast majority of us (men) went to the FSU to look for the younger, prettier...[/size][/color]

That's it. If you want to be completely honest stop right there. The country of origin is not important. If the vast majority of men looking towards the FSU could get a young pretty girl back home, they would stay right here.

Right now it's easier for an average older guy with more cash the average Russian to land a younger prettier woman in the FSU, so guys look there.

Talk about dribble. The FSU has it's fair share of nut cases, bitches, and baggage laden women.

[color="red"][size="4"]Jooky, you are right but there are FAR more choices if a man takes the time to look there are far more desirable and available women in the FSU then here in America.[/size][/color]

Most of the women that come to America on a K-1 visa through the mail order bride industry are divorced and / or have children. Isn't that what we consider baggage?

[color="red"][size="4"]If a man chooses a woman with whatever baggage that is his decision and maybe his mistake no one forced him to make that/those choices. With SO many available women a man needs only take his time and make the proper selection from the available pool of ladies. [/size][/color]

How many stories do we have to read on these boards about the guys who flew across the world to meet or even brought home living nightmares (although hot in some cases) before we realize that all Russian women are not angels?

[color="red"][size="4"]Again the blame for such actions are in general the man's fault for choosing poorley.[/size][/color]

Selecting a woman because of her country of origin when you truly know nothing about that country is pure lunacy and a load of bull.

[color="red"][size="4"]WRONG! Like it or not there are vast differences between women from various countries within the FSU (and elsewhere), if you had spent enough time in other countries (I mean years not days or weeks) as others on this forum have then maybe you would understand this.[/size][/color]

I have to admit that I like the women I've met in Russia. I've liked the nut cases and the baggage laden girls as well. I'll pass on the bitches though, and I'll stick to my answer that this was all an accident (an enjoyable one though).

[color="red"][size="4"]Interesting it was an accident you went to Russia, how currious, it was an accident you met ladies and decided to search for a wife. Interesting. Sounds like you simply do not want to admit that you were/are looking for the younger, pretter, more traditional, intelligent and easire to get along with girl from Russia rather than America.[/size][/color]

[Rim]

[color="red"][size="4"][color="blue"][color="green"]Tigerpaws[/color] [/color][color="black"]wrote[/color][color="black"]:
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Interesting it was an accident you went to Russia, how currious, it was an accident you met ladies and decided to search for a wife. Interesting. Sounds like you simply do not want to admit that you wer/are looking for the younger, pretter, more traditional, intelligent and easire to get along with girl from Russia rather than America.

[color="black"]I'd not hazard a guess at your age, but what about men who've chosen this path who are still young and attractive enough to find a an American woman in her 20s that is attractive? Your assumptions are not all true.

However, you have hit upon a point that hold true regardless of the intentions or motivations of the many men who have taken this venture; we do all perceive a difference between American women and Russian women, and as unique as each of our perceptions may be, that difference is why we're here.
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[bbernard]

ajayinsead03 wrote:

 PLESAE dont degrade AW -- they are also YOUR mothers, YOUR sisters, YOUR Aunt Sally and YOUR UNcle Harry's daughters.  Please give me some respect and dont flame me on THIS one- as I an immigrant man, is asking you - the native - to respect your women, your sister, your mom. Not aksing to respect my sister and my mom, how can I be blamed/flamed for that?

Well said ajay,

I agree with this statement immensely. There are what, 300 million living in the USA! How many are women between 20-40 years of age? I shake my head when I read someone knocking all AW! When someone here makes a blanket statement like "all AW are b*tches" I read it as that person was looking in the wrong places. There are beautiful, smart, moral, caring non-materialistic women here in the USA just like anywhere in the world.

As for why I looked for a "girlfriend" abroad!

First let me say that I found it interesting that my future FIL asked me this very question when my fiance and I presented the news to her family that we were engaged and their blessings were very important to us. He had known me for 6 months, had seen me and spent time with me almost daily for the previous two 12 day trips and he knew my living situation back home in Florida! Which brings me to why I looked for a "girlfriend" abroad!

Some background information: I had been divorced for 1.5 years before starting this endeavor. I am a fulltime single dad of one awesome 8 year old boy, I work a fulltime job and consult on the side, I have a home and acreage to care for as well!

Now given the above information, I will answer here with a similar response that I gave my future FIL. I say similar because he had my background information and knew more about me and my situation than the board members here.

 I never had a problem dating AW and have done so after my divorce but with my responsibilities and busy schedule I live, finding a partner was at the bottom of the list. Sure, I dated women that I met in my everday routine but never found one that I could see a future with and I do not believe bars and night clubs are places to find that type of woman. With the lack of time I turned to the internet to attempt to find someone. In doing so I had the attitude that I am happy and content with my life as it is so I fine someone fine, if I don't fine. I started by searching the personal ads locally. I never felt a desire to meet any of the woman I correspondent with this way! I was in a multi-cultural marriage for twelves years and decide to broaden my horizons because I really appreciated the blending of cultures in my previous marriage. This is when I stumbled into the Russian women hype! The emails were ridiculous and I knew they weren't genuine so I never responded to any of them and decided to educate myself (my character)! I spent a year reading forums such as this one and the culture of Russia. I love to travel and decided that I would approach this as a WMVO with the idea of making friends! Yes, I let the woman know this upfront! I explained that I think the idea of a mail order bride is ridiculous at best. I let them know that I am a marriage minded person but respected the union of marriage, myself and my son too much to be that desperate! Actually I made friends with sixteen women from different areas of the FSU so they must have appreciated this honesty. I decided to visit L without the expectations of love and marriage (which I believe kept things very relaxed for both of us). By the end of that first trip we relized that the person we were writing and the image we had of eachother was the same as the person in real life. We really, really enjoyed eachothers company and appreciated every minute we had together. Two trips later we professed love for eachother and knew we wanted to build a future and family together. I proposed...

The following trip I took my son with me to meet her, her daughter and her family! It was an incredible trip!

I guess I was lucky to meet an incredibly compatible, loving, woman my first time around! I kept my expectations in check. I knew what I was looking for in a partner! L was the type of person that I really could be friends with first and formost and turned out to be someone that I can trust with my heart and of course love! She felt and feels the same!

bbernard

[TigerPaws]

[color="red"][size="4"][color="blue"][color="green"][/color][/color][color="black"]I'd not hazard a guess at your age, but what about men who've chosen this path who are still young and attractive enough to find a an American woman in her 20s that is attractive? Your assumptions are not all true.

[color="blue"]Rim,

 The vast majority of men looking to the FSU for a lady are not in their 20's, some in their late 30's and most in their 40's and 50's. To the few whom are in their 20's and looking to the FSU for a lady, all I can say is "Good for You" but they are in the minority.

 Then again I firmly believe NO man should every marry before the age of 35.
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[TigerPaws]

ajayinsead03 wrote:

 PLESAE dont degrade AW -- they are also YOUR mothers, YOUR sisters, YOUR Aunt Sally and YOUR UNcle Harry's daughters.  Please give me some respect and dont flame me on THIS one- as I an immigrant man, is asking you - the native - to respect your women, your sister, your mom. Not aksing to respect my sister and my mom, how can I be blamed/flamed for that?

[color="red"][size="4"]Zzzzzz bbernard Bullsh*it my 2 sisters are just as much gold digging American Bitches as anyone will find. Damn man get a life we are talking in very general terms here try to understand that. You went searching overseas because you could not find what you wanted here in America, get the picture?[/size][/color]

Well said ajay,

I agree with this statement immensely. There are what, 300 million living in the USA! How many are women between 20-40 years of age? I shake my head when I read someone knocking all AW! When someone here makes a blanket statement like "all AW are b*tches" I read it as that person was looking in the wrong places. There are beautiful, smart, moral, caring non-materialistic women here in the USA just like anywhere in the world.

[color="red"][size="4"]Fine you should have looked closer to home and not overseas for a lady, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth, listen to what you are saying will you?[/size][/color]

[bbernard]

ajayinsead03 wrote:

 PLESAE dont degrade AW -- they are also YOUR mothers, YOUR sisters, YOUR Aunt Sally and YOUR UNcle Harry's daughters.  Please give me some respect and dont flame me on THIS one- as I an immigrant man, is asking you - the native - to respect your women, your sister, your mom. Not aksing to respect my sister and my mom, how can I be blamed/flamed for that?

Zzzzzz bbernard Bullsh*it my 2 sisters are just as much gold digging American Bitches as anyone will find. Damn man get a life we are talking in very general terms here try to understand that. You went searching overseas because you could not find what you wanted here in America, get the picture?

Well said ajay,

I agree with this statement immensely. There are what, 300 million living in the USA! How many are women between 20-40 years of age? I shake my head when I read someone knocking all AW! When someone here makes a blanket statement like "all AW are b*tches" I read it as that person was looking in the wrong places. There are beautiful, smart, moral, caring non-materialistic women here in the USA just like anywhere in the world.

Fine you should have looked closer to home and not overseas for a lady, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth, listen to what you are saying will you?

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Tiger,

I speak for myself just like you speak for yourself! You don't know every woman living in America! Your reasons are yours and my reasons are mine! You don't know me nor I you! As I said about the nice woman in Amrerica I will say about the gold diggers in America! There are gold diggers every where. I'm sorry, but from what I do know about you, through only the thoughts and ideas you post here, you are a very narrow minded individual. You are the classic "it's my way or the highway" type!

bbernard

[Admin]

I thinkif I were toactively look for apartner, southern Spain would be my preferred destination.
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Andalucia. I recall spending La Feria in Sevilla a few years back. I have NEVER seen so many drop-dead gorgeous women ANYWHERE. All the more so in their elaborate La Feria dresses.

Yep - that would be on my short list of places to hang out for women - if I was still in the market.

- Dan