My divorce

[Gylden]

If you are betting on which countries go bankrupt first, I'd put my money on;

1. Ireland
2. Greece
3. Portugal (maybe)

and in that order.
Smart people will hedge against the inflation which will bail out the rest of the world.
Watch for some smoke and mirrors with the Euro!
 

[SFandEE]

Glyden,

Apart from the captains of corporations and the politically protected do you anticipate inflation of salary as well.  I imagine by definition not, but does this mean housing values will increase too, or just the life sustaining consumables that will continue the distribution of wealth to the few. 

I allow myself to get pulled into political discussions and participate more than I care to on RWD, but I do find this a great opportunity to see the situation from Europeans.  My first trip to Europe the Euro was just underway at .9 to $1 US.  What a ride 2001 to 2009.  Skippy the "gullible wonder boy" drove the family care off the cliff.

[SMS60]

I've been wondering where the American dream is these days, sounds like Belgium.

Its still here. It comes in the form of ambition and elbow grease and keeping liberal politicians out of office. You wont experience it standing around with your hand out. Its up to you to make it happen.

The more liberal our government becomes the more elusive the dream will become.

[The Natural]

Well, if you ask me, I would say that rapid inflation is in the cards shortly, possibly hyperinflation. The middle class will be destroyed, money will be worth next to nothing. Lindsay Williams said his inside sources told him the US Dollar will be toast by 2012. Many experts say when that happens the rest of the fiat currency in the world will follow and an new world currency will emerge, SDR's? Gold and silver is the only hedge against inflation.

USA is running a + 1 trillion deficit which is increasing all the time and China and Japan has stopped buying debt. So the FED buys the debt via quantitative Easing. How can hyperinflation not be the result?

Move away from the US or stock up on gold, silver, food and guns/ammo.

[SFandEE]

Its still here. It comes in the form of ambition and elbow grease and keeping liberal politicians out of office. You wont experience it standing around with your hand out. Its up to you to make it happen.

The more liberal our government becomes the more elusive the dream will become.

That's an opinion.  Not a fact.  SH agrees with you, you are in the best of company.  Why do you think the US is such a huge debtor nation?  Handouts or over extension of its' role in the world to satisfy very exclusive industries and individuals.  Political opinion.  Perhaps they are both problem areas and the back and forth between two barking dogs chained to the same tree is entertainment.

I trust you did not personalize your comments towards me as I have a proven work ethic and accomplishment.  I am alert and paying attention to the US economy over the past few decades and am concerned that the debate is oversimplified in order to distract away from the major issues.

That being said, clearly I have participated in following this thread off topic.  If it pops up somewhere else, I will likely continue to contribute there, but no longer on the "My Divorce" thread.

[The Natural]

That being said, clearly I have participated in following this thread off topic.  If it pops up somewhere else, I will likely continue to contribute there, but no longer on the "My Divorce" thread.

Yes, you're right and I did also contribute in making it off-topic, hehe.
But the issue is interesting and important, but in the appropriate section.

[ML]

The matter is that the mentality of Northern countries and FSU differs dramatically in terms of family economics, and what is considered to be not only totally accepted, but absolutely normal in Northern countries is a huge turn off and nearly an insult in FSU. The perception of money issues is absolutely different.

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For many years of my travel to FSU on business, I was of the mind set that there really wasn't that much of a 'cultural gap' between there and the west.

But now that I am into the 'woman thing' rather than just business, I am starting to see this big gap regarding the concept of money issues that Nat hints about.

Perhaps as I read on down this thread, others will have elaborated more on this.

[ML]

Well, now that I am at end of thread, I didn't learn as much as I had hoped.
Just a lot about 'our money', 'my money', etc.

But what about the seemingly vast differences of practices regarding spending on necessities vs frivolous?  And, of course, frivolous is in the eye of the beholder.

For instance, let me tell of a couple of stories I am personally acquainted with regarding two different women.

First one earns virtually squat and barely has enough to eat.  Yet when her German boyfriend gave her $800 for food, etc., she spent the entire amount on a new sheepskin winter coat.

Second one also just barely existed financially for many years, but is now earning pretty good money for mid sized Russian city.  Around $800 a month I believe.  And she sometimes has second job to stockpile some money.  She has accumulated about $6,000.  Now her German boyfriend (not same German) finds out she is going to shell out nearly $4,000 of that on wedding for her son.  He has gone ballistic and will probably bail because he now doubts her sound judgement and worries what would happen with family money after he married her.

These are just two stories that I have heard recently; but they sent home for me this vast chasm that exists between what westerners and FSU folk will do with their 'spare' or 'not so spare' money .

[Speedbump]

This topic of the concept of money is really interesting to me.

I can add one story too. A Russian woman learns she is lossing her well paid job in Moscow. SHe says the economy is really bad and she does not know if she can find a job let alone a job that pays nearly as well.

So she decides to go on a trip and buy a new Ipad and a ton of clothes.

That type of fatalistic thinking baffles me.

[Aloe]

Well, now that I am at end of thread, I didn't learn as much as I had hoped.
Just a lot about 'our money', 'my money', etc.

But what about the seemingly vast differences of practices regarding spending on necessities vs frivolous?  And, of course, frivolous is in the eye of the beholder.

For instance, let me tell of a couple of stories I am personally acquainted with regarding two different women.

First one earns virtually squat and barely has enough to eat.  Yet when her German boyfriend gave her $800 for food, etc., she spent the entire amount on a new sheepskin winter coat.

Second one also just barely existed financially for many years, but is now earning pretty good money for mid sized Russian city.  Around $800 a month I believe.  And she sometimes has second job to stockpile some money.  She has accumulated about $6,000.  Now her German boyfriend (not same German) finds out she is going to shell out nearly $4,000 of that on wedding for her son.  He has gone ballistic and will probably bail because he now doubts her sound judgement and worries what would happen with family money after he married her.

These are just two stories that I have heard recently; but they sent home for me this vast chasm that exists between what westerners and FSU folk will do with their 'spare' or 'not so spare' money .

First woman is probably used to living the way she is, so more food isn't gonna make her as happy as a fur coat. She just wanted to get something nice she would never get otherwise. It is a nice feeling to get something nice
I see nothing wrong in second woman's behavior. Her son's wedding is a big deal, and supposedly a once in a lifetime event. She can always make more money, but he will supposedly only have a wedding once.

This topic of the concept of money is really interesting to me.

I can add one story too. A Russian woman learns she is lossing her well paid job in Moscow. SHe says the economy is really bad and she does not know if she can find a job let alone a job that pays nearly as well.

So she decides to go on a trip and buy a new Ipad and a ton of clothes. Wall Bash

That type of fatalistic thinking baffles me.

Indeed that sounds very stupid, she probably lives with her parents and has nothing to worry about? Otherwise i don't see how an adult person can go and waste all their money after being fired and no new income. Who is gonna pay the rent and food then? Maybe she has some other income except her job. Or maybe she has 100k in the bank, then nothing wrong with doing whatever you want and spending as long as you have the money to live for the next couple of years. I'd say 1.5k a month, if she rents, so that's 36k for 2 years, so still 64k to spend freely Or if she knows she will be unemployed for say a year maximum, then it's even more available to spend. In any case, this woman sounds like she is fine.
Say someone has 10 million dollars in the bank, but they are losing their job and don't know if they will ever get a job that pays this well. It doesn't mean they can't go and spend the money that's in their bank, if they know they have a lot more than they actually need to pay for basic expenses, nothing wrong with spending then. You need to know the full situation before making such judgements. I doubt this woman sent you her bank statements and tax papers.

[Daveman]

Well, now that I am at end of thread, I didn't learn as much as I had hoped.
Just a lot about 'our money', 'my money', etc.

But what about the seemingly vast differences of practices regarding spending on necessities vs frivolous?  And, of course, frivolous is in the eye of the beholder.

For instance, let me tell of a couple of stories I am personally acquainted with regarding two different women.

First one earns virtually squat and barely has enough to eat.  Yet when her German boyfriend gave her $800 for food, etc., she spent the entire amount on a new sheepskin winter coat.

This is rather common.  I certainly don't have experience with all FSU women, but enough to see that this is pretty much a pattern. I/O described it well with a quote from a Russian guy some years ago...

RW, in my experience are frugal with relatively small amounts of money, but in the early stages of adaption often (not all) don't know much about dealing with larger sums. A Russian guy told me 5 years ago (In Russia), give a RW $1 and she will care for you for a week. Give her $1000 and it will be gone in a week. IMO he wasn't entirely stupid.

That above is pretty much spot on from what I've seen...

Second one also just barely existed financially for many years, but is now earning pretty good money for mid sized Russian city.  Around $800 a month I believe.  And she sometimes has second job to stockpile some money.  She has accumulated about $6,000.  Now her German boyfriend (not same German) finds out she is going to shell out nearly $4,000 of that on wedding for her son.  He has gone ballistic and will probably bail because he now doubts her sound judgement and worries what would happen with family money after he married her.

These are just two stories that I have heard recently; but they sent home for me this vast chasm that exists between what westerners and FSU folk will do with their 'spare' or 'not so spare' money .

And there's another aspect... money *will* flow to the children, and especially so from mother to "son".   

The stuff about "our money" and "my money" is confusing.  The ladies here seem to have a more normal attitude... but here is what I have seen the most.. the money the man makes is "our money", the money the woman makes is "her money". It's the man's job to provide for the family in *every* way - cars, house, clothes, food, make-up, etc.. and it's the woman's job to take care of the house and family he pays for, while the money she earns is for herself (to pack away to give to children, or buy more clothes, whatever).

Not saying *every* RW has this attitude, but from my experience this is quite accurate.  If you find someone who wants to contribute to the family, i.e., all money is equally "our money", then you've found someone with a special attitude.

of course this really doesn't answer your question in detail... more of the married (for a while) guys would need to chime in.

[Misha]

Not saying *every* RW has this attitude, but from my experience this is quite accurate. 

In Russia, most RW married to RM have no choice but to spend their money on the family as without this the family would not be eating 

[Aloe]

A Russian guy told me 5 years ago (In Russia), give a RW $1 and she will care for you for a week. Give her $1000 and it will be gone in a week

That's because 1k is too little money. Give her 10k and she will put it in the bank and not spend any It's a psychological phenomenon that manifests itself in many areas. Like in dating, scientists found out that when a candidate is suddenly provided with a huge choice, he/she is a lot more likely to stay single than if he/she had a small choice. Same with money, you suddenly get 10k and there are so many things you want, that you won't be able to pick one and end up not picking any I am experiencing this as we speak, i can't decide what the hell to spend it on, cuz there is a gigantic choice of too many things that i want and can suddenly afford, and i want them all, so i can't pick one  

But when i'm given only 1k, then i have no problem spending it. See, if you give too little, it's easy to spend, but if it is sudden and a lot, but not enough to buy everything you want, then you probably won't buy anything at all

[GoodOlBoy]

I am experiencing this as we speak, i can't decide what the hell to spend it on,....

I have some swamp land in the Everglades for sale if you are interested Aloe. :evil:


GOB

[Aloe]

I have some swamp land in the Everglades for sale if you are interested Aloe. :evil:


GOB

I don't like sharing my swamp land with alligators Besides it's probably too expensive for my budget

[Misha]

I don't like sharing my swamp land with alligators

The one thing that I discovered after my trip to Louisiana, alligator meat can be quite tasty 

[Aloe]

The one thing that I discovered after my trip to Louisiana, alligator meat can be quite tasty 

Alligator meat sounds great!
I watched a horrifying video yesterday of argentinian horses that get killed for meat and how they live. They are underfed, walking around with open untended wounds and broken legs, they show a horse running around with a leg that just dangles attached to the horse only by a tiny piece of skin. There are dead animals laying around, and if a horse falls, like a dozen dogs bite it, and the horses get stuck in the barbwire, really horrifying stuff.
Even though i don't eat horse meat, i felt ashamed for being a human after watching that 
I do eat other meat though.. So alligator meat sounds like a great alternative, cuz alligators are bad and mean


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOksHSgfLvU[/youtube]

[Muzh]

The one thing that I discovered after my trip to Louisiana, alligator meat can be quite tasty 

I guess the gators from Florida are bland and chewy. Not that I believe you, Misha. I guess it is all in the cajun spicing.

[The Natural]

I wonder what all this has to do with my divorce! I mean, alligator and horse cuisine! My ex never went further than preparing some borsj 

[Daveman]

I wonder what all this has to do with my divorce! I mean, alligator and horse cuisine! My ex never went further than preparing some borsj 

wouldn't you want to avoid marrying (and therefore divorcing) a woman who resembles an alligator? We're all just trying to help you make that mistake.  Plus, you have lots of Polargators up there in the arctic circle. 

Threads do tend to drift a little.. some moreso than others. but okay, just for the record.. let's keep Naturally Gatorphibic's thread on the topic of his divorce.. did you ex ever make a borshch with gator meat? 

[The Natural]

wouldn't you want to avoid marrying (and therefore divorcing) a woman who resembles an alligator? We're all just trying to help you make that mistake.  Plus, you have lots of Polargators up there in the arctic circle. 

All help is welcome, yes. Fortunately we don't have any Polargators here, must go to Svalbard to see them. We have horses but rarely eat them, hehe. Or, come to think about it, maybe they use it in sausages?

Threads do tend to drift a little.. some moreso than others. but okay, just for the record.. let's keep Naturally Gatorphibic's thread on the topic of his divorce.. did you ex ever make a borshch with gator meat? 

Yes, threads often go off-topic, but here I was joking a little. But on other threads, won't say where or who so as not to step on any toes, I think it goes overboard with large links and pictures way off topic, with responses quoting the exact SAME huge links. I'm not being grumpy here and have no problems going off-topic with a little text, but.... well, you get what I mean, right?

Back to being on-topic. Can't remember what kind of meat she used for the Borsch, gator or polargator... but it was good 

[ML]

Natural, I have been wondering. 

Where did you acquire such good English, and your very good grasp of American slang, etc.?

I know that in your country, virtually everyone studies English from a very young age; but still, your's seems extraordinary to me.

[The Natural]

Natural, I have been wondering. 

Where did you acquire such good English, and your very good grasp of American slang, etc.?

I know that in your country, virtually everyone studies English from a very young age; but still, your's seems extraordinary to me.

Oh, thank you very much, I'm blushing almost, hehe.
Everybody here knows at least some English, even old people who never learned it at school. One reason is that they show a lot of movies and other programmes on TV from USA and England in English with subtitles. I think that has a lot to do with it.

For me personally I have always loved the English language and been fascinated by USA. Back in the 80's when I became interested in bodybuilding I read the different magazines and have since that time read and written a lot in English. I was in New Jersey in 1996 for my internship and got to practise talking English too. But I notice I have to practise it regularly, I mean talking, in order to have a good pronounciation. When I haven't talked English for a while it sounds worse and I've noticed another thing; I speak better English with native speaking people than people from non-speaking English.

Nowadays I listen a lot to radio and videos on the Internet in English. I enjoy listening to the Alex Jones Show and watch videos or listen to interviews online on topics that interest me like the economy, nutrition, NWO and so on.

[SANDRO43]

A little known WWII episode I read about recently, about cooperation between the British and Norwegian fishermen, staged from a base in the Shetlands:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shetland-Bus-Kjell-Colding/dp/1898852421

[Misha]

I guess the gators from Florida are bland and chewy. Not that I believe you, Misha. I guess it is all in the cajun spicing.

 

Spices make everything taste better including alligator