Difficulty to get a hot young Russian / Eastern European woman?

[Viking456]

If you are ... gloomy and pessimistic, I don't think you will be able to keep a cheerful girl by your side.
But there are beautiful and relatively pessimistic girls ))))

Yes.. If I found a good girl my pessimism might be greatly reduced though. Well I'm not super gloomy or super pessimistic. A girl who is moderately optimistic or neutral perhaps.

[Nat]

Looks can get a women but takes a lot more to keep one.

But the question was if it's possible to get a hot girl, not to keep her

[LAman]

Not a question of exceptions. Dating in Russia is easier. Women will agree quite easily to a first date if you are searching online. It is much easier meeting a woman one-on-one for a date than trying to pick up a stranger in a bar. These are things that level the playing field for introverts in Russia.

As for personalities, the challenge is finding someone whose personality is compatible with yours.

If you read viking's posts, does he sound much like you? Having these struggles: being sincere, active, and kindhearted with a good sense of humor. He should like the outdoors, enjoy life, good friends, good food and good music. He should be secure in himself and be an optimistic person. Opposite of this is someone that would mainly keep to themselves, is that you?

At Vikings age, he is in prime of his life and having troubles with local girls......why would girls in russia be any different?

[mies]

I suggest that if you can afford it - travel to Ukraine for a week or extended weekend (you don't need a visa there), do some club hopping in Kiev (i'll provide you with info on good and bad venues), try to smile to girls, and I hope the effect will give you some optimism )). At least you will see what level of interest you can raise in girls. Most likely they will start talking to you, and if you do not resist too much - you will end up having a date for the next day(s). Which potentially can grow into something bigger and more meaningful.  

although you would probably reach the same outcome if you go out more often in your home town.

[Lily]

I agree with mies.

So you tell us that you are a passive, don't understand humor, insecure about yourself, and are a pessimist to boot. Then why don't you do something about it? If you really don't, please don't complain that hot girls of any nation don't want you. You asked honest opinions, didn't you?

There is only one person who has power to change yourself. Do you need us to tell you who is this person?

[LAman]

But the question was if it's possible to get a hot girl, not to keep her

Yes Nat, but I was answers the NEXT question? 

[Misha]

At Vikings age, he is in prime of his life and having troubles with local girls......why would girls in russia be any different?

Because, it is much easier to date many women until you find the right one  Dating is much, much, much easier for a foreigner in Russia or Ukraine than it is in most cases back home and this is as try for the attractive extroverts to the not-so-attractive and the introverts....

[Daveman]

The only wrong thing is my lack of success with them.

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I haven't completed the thread yet, so perhaps someone has touched on this... the lack of success will pretty much follow you around (no matter what, YOU are always the common factor in ALL your relationships) unless you deal with your part of that process.

It might be a good idea to take a good look at yourself and understand why they have failed (no, don't post the reasons here, unless you want to be analyzed until hell freezes over).  What was your part in the failure? If there are ways that you *could* be at fault, what would those ways be?  How can you be better in the next?  Just some rhetorical rambling.

It's true that there are people who will match with your personality type anywhere in the world... so perhaps you just haven't found right lady. No one does until they do.  And some are of the belief the NO relationship is meant to last forever.  

I think you'll probably do just fine attracting ladies in the FSU.

[Ranetka]

Have not read all thread sorry. What can I say:

1. You will do well with a Russian girl
2. Considering what kind of men are mostly on international dating sites you will do EXTREMELY well.

So no worries!

[SFandEE]

I found it odd the way you asked your question--you then switched it up to be about you.

Originally asking about a 50 year old attracting a hot 20 something, then yourself, then bringing in money.  Living where you live how much downside is there to getting on a plane and checking out FSUW?  Seems like it would be rather easy.

There are sincere women, women who want you to date you for a good time out, women who want to date you so that their friends can make translation money, women who want to get a rich WM.  Keep your wits about you as you negotiate the minefield.

[Shostakovich]

Engineers were one of the most common and respected profession in FSU By training my mom is mechanical engineer, and my dad is construction engineer.
I tend to disagree they are boring.

Of course they are not - I'm one!  It's a spectrum within the profession like others.  And it is changing in the US too.  A good litmus is how a group is perceived is how they are portrayed in movies.  A big shock for me was to encounter for the first time, that old film by Rohmer titled "My night at maud's" where an engineer was portrayed as being sexy, albeit in a responsible way.   At best, an engineer gets the anti-hero status, as a Spok.

[Shostakovich]

Have not read all thread sorry. What can I say:

1. You will do well with a Russian girl
2. Considering what kind of men are mostly on international dating sites you will do EXTREMELY well.

So no worries!

Too true

[Shostakovich]

If you are ... gloomy and pessimistic, I don't think you will be able to keep a cheerful girl by your side.
But there are beautiful and relatively pessimistic girls ))))

Everyone loves a gloomy guy!

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[SFandEE]

I suggest that if you can afford it - travel to Ukraine for a week or extended weekend (you don't need a visa there), do some club hopping in Kiev (i'll provide you with info on good and bad venues), try to smile to girls, and I hope the effect will give you some optimism )). At least you will see what level of interest you can raise in girls. Most likely they will start talking to you, and if you do not resist too much - you will end up having a date for the next day(s). Which potentially can grow into something bigger and more meaningful.  

although you would probably reach the same outcome if you go out more often in your home town.

Mies,

How well do you think this would go over?  Do attractive Ukrainian women in night clubs and restaurants really want to meet WM, especially WM who do not speak their language?  I suspect that WM in Kiev is rather routine and requires some local language skill.

[Misha]

understand why they have failed

He already outlined the reasons: he lives in a small city, where there are more eligible men than women 

[Ranetka]

Mies,

How well do you think this would go over?  Do attractive Ukrainian women in night clubs and restaurants really want to meet WM, especially WM who do not speak their language?  I suspect that WM in Kiev is rather routine and requires some local language skill.

Young and good-looking WM - certainly YES   ( I meant they would certainly want to meet YOUNG AND GOOD-LOOKING WM :-))

[Misha]

Have not read all thread sorry. What can I say:

1. You will do well with a Russian girl
2. Considering what kind of men are mostly on international dating sites you will do EXTREMELY well.

So no worries!

Sums it up nicely. Quite telling that the women are pretty much saying the same thing, while it is the men who are being overly critical 

[mies]

Mies,

How well do you think this would go over?  Do attractive Ukrainian women in night clubs and restaurants really want to meet WM, especially WM who do not speak their language?  I suspect that WM in Kiev is rather routine and requires some local language skill.

Most girls whom you can see in clubs will speak at least some English, some will speak moderate to fluent English. so no worries about that. He will have fun (if he is capable to loosen up a bit), he will see women who are delighted about his background, and his accent, and the fact that he is "visiting Ukraine to explore it, to travel, to meet new friends" (if I were Viking, I would not mention I come to meet a wife, it might sound wrong).  and i see no problem in having good time, traveling, meeting new people, and being very popular among local girls
If such trip is too expensive for him - he'll need to look for other ways.

Attractive young Ukrainian women are interested in meeting attractive and young men, especially if they came to the club without a boyfriend. Don't you think so? The fact that Viking is Swedish will make girls delighted, I can guarantee you that. He is looking for a type of girl who is more like an equal partner, the one who will work, and who will adapt well to the country. He will have much better chances while looking among regular girls, than when looking among girls who register on dating sites. Girls who register on dating sites usually have certain level of expectations, and very often it goes without saying for them that a man has to provide them with:
- relocation to his country
- adjustment in his country
- take care of them.

While if people meet in a more "independent" way, there are no frigid rules or expectations on what should he do for her. So they will be able to develop together a common vision on what steps to take next (and whether to take any steps at all). 

[Daveman]

He already outlined the reasons: he lives in a small city, where there are more eligible men than women 

But, wouldn't that indicate not being able to find women rather than having (plural) relationships failing?  Just following our RWD " take responsibility and keep it real" ideology... food for thought and nothing more.

like I said, I think he'll do just fine.

[Jumper]

 By getting *out* and about, whether in his home country and abroad
will generally  help him be more positive and have greater self confidence,.
which can take the edge off being slightly introverted.

Those saying *why bother*,  until he corrects *this*, or *that*.

I can see your point, but perhaps you  are missing the other point that the act itself can be part of developing this confidence.


As mies alluded to:

I think a good week in an area where a lot of women are likely to  show interests( regardless the underlying reasons) can give viking a bit of something to smile about,
 an edge of confidence , and possibly jump start things romantically for him in the FSU or in his home country.


Why not?
If it dint do anything at all, he would still have a good trip if he plans it around some tourism.

He seems like a decent guy , good looking, decent job,
perhaps beat down romantically from some locals which could be any number of reasons including simply not meeting the right person for him.

 The more times he is *out* there, the more likelyhood that it happens.
I've always felt one of the positives of this venture is to break some men out of  some rut they have fallen into.
Continuing his path of interaction mostly with fellow engineers isn't likely to net many results, to repeat it is silly.

if what you are doing isn't working, change what you are doing.

I do not think he needs to change who he is, while it can be a factor,
the factor he can easily change is that he now  simply doesn't meet many people.
  
As far as height, please ,, lol
He is a decent looking youing guy of average to above average height.
if he meets someone who likes him for who he is, what is that going to have to do with anything?

Viking , you'd do well in the FSU..  
as Ranetka pointed out you are worlds ahead of most foreign men going there.
You are younger,and better looking than most.
As long as you keep away from feeling of desparation,
 and go there with some confidence you are a good man.
what would be the harm of opening up your search some?
it is afterall what most men here are doing..

Good luck!

I know any number of RW that would be happy to meet you, in the FSU or in the US.You'd have to take it from there, but they  would be initially interested
and if that can inspire some confidence , then use it.

[Ranetka]

Sums it up nicely. Quite telling that the women are pretty much saying the same thing, while it is the men who are being overly critical 

I suspect men here have trouble accepting someone young and "normal looking" (and OP is good-looking actually) is in a different league :-)

[Misha]

I suspect men here have trouble accepting someone young and "normal looking" (and OP is good-looking actually) is in a different league :-)

Pretty much. That and the need to for wannabe alpha-male posing and preening 

[SFandEE]

Viking--if you haven't already (by the way why haven't you?) I would accept this offer.  The women of RWD seem to think you have what it takes to make this happen.  I have not seen them rally behind anyone else in this manner (doesn't mean they haven't, just means I have not noticed).  That should be all the endorsement you need to take their advice and wade in to the FSU dating waters.

You have been given an offer of help that is very valuable.  Accept with a smile!!!

I know fun dance clubs in Kyiv, but I am interested if they will share in public and if they are the same.  

I suggest that if you can afford it - travel to Ukraine for a week or extended weekend (you don't need a visa there), do some club hopping in Kiev (i'll provide you with info on good and bad venues), try to smile to girls, and I hope the effect will give you some optimism )). At least you will see what level of interest you can raise in girls. Most likely they will start talking to you, and if you do not resist too much - you will end up having a date for the next day(s). Which potentially can grow into something bigger and more meaningful.  

although you would probably reach the same outcome if you go out more often in your home town.

[Daveman]

I suspect men here have trouble accepting someone young and "normal looking" (and OP is good-looking actually) is in a different league :-)

So much for Mars/Venus
LoL! Kinda like all the women in a room when the blonde with big breasts walk into the room.  :evil:

 And probably true to a degree as well.... I'm jealous as hell, Viking, none of these women have ever lit up this way over ME!    

 

[Misha]

And probably true to a degree as well.... I'm jealous as hell, Viking, none of these women have ever lit up this way over ME!    

Just as long as you manage to light up the woman in your new profile photo, all the other women don't matter