How young is too young

[SFandEE]

I have to say that the first photo with the stuffed toy and the little dolls really certainly highlights to me that she is certainly way too young. 

Stuffed animals are a red flag for me, although as has been posted some of these photos are probably of a woman receiving a gift from a man.

[OlgaH]

Olga,

There were times in the past where it was the same in the west.

RU will catch up quickly as examples like the one's you posted are noted.

When RU and rest of FSU catch up this whole RW bride 'thing' will quickly blow away.

Absolutely agree. I'm only not sure how quick but it certainly will take some time to change mentality and psychology of victim and hopelessness in general. 

[TomT]

(a) Rich and perverted men can buy teenagers for fun.
(b) Average but clever perverted men are using there intellect or power status to lure teenagers.
(c) Poor/average and dumb men may try to rape teenagers, it can be a plain rape, or date rape, or drunk rape.

(d) Dumb foreigners try to marry them.

[BC]

Absolutely agree. I'm only not sure how quick but it certainly will take some time to change mentality and psychology of victim and hopelessness in general. 

Olga,

Remain confident.. In the overall scheme of things, just a blink of the eye.  At least RU draws very few, if any western 'socials'.. LOL

[OlgaH]

Olga,

Remain confident.. In the overall scheme of things, just a blink of the eye.  At least RU draws very few, if any western 'socials'.. LOL

BC I do remain positive and confident 

[Jazzyclassy]

Strong words...  but fair.

A middle aged man like Billy will steal the girls youth for his own gratification.  No matter how he tries to convince himself the relationship is legitimate...  it's not.

She's too young to even conceive what she is giving up...  and it's likely she's convincing herself that this is in her destiny...  but young girls do grow up!  Billy is forgetting that...

I agree at some point!
 I did not know BillyB’s story, I have no time to read all those unlimited pages, I never knew he is seducing such a young girl. That is his business of course and in the situations like this both parties are involved, means that young woman is seeking such attention herself.
When I was 18, I was working and studying and absolutely had no fascination what’s so ever about old men and moreover they never hit on me thankfully!:) And I never gave any reasons for them to persue me. So that girl is supposed to think for herself even though she is so young, protect herself and she has to take responsibility as well for her own sake. Of course she might not be as sane as BillyB due to her tender years, but still they are both responsible for whatever they are doing!

[Ade]

I agree at some point!
 I did not know BillyB’s story, I have no time to read all those unlimited pages, I never knew he is seducing such a young girl. That is his business of course and in the situations like this both parties are involved, means that young woman is seeking such attention herself.
When I was 18, I was working and studying and absolutely had no fascination what’s so ever about old men and moreover they never hit on me thankfully!:) And I never gave any reasons for them to persue me. So that girl is supposed to think for herself even though she is so young, protect herself and she has to take responsibility as well for her own sake. Of course she might not be as sane as BillyB due to her tender years, but still they are both responsible for whatever they are doing!

Actually, Billy was pursuing her before she was legally responsible... at least as an adult.

[Jazzyclassy]

Actually, Billy was pursuing her before she was legally responsible... at least as an adult.

Well that is very sad, I always thought good of BillyB

Though what we are talking here about is not a rape, because she is doing it willingly and and participating in this relationship happily herself as far as i understood when she could have sent Billy far far away and declined all his presents and attention.

[Jazzyclassy]

What I am trying to say is that there is always a choice -to run away or to just lay there and wait for the disaster

For Both people  in this situation there is a choice! For Billy and that girl it is just up to them.

And you just can't wholly blame a man

[Jumper]

My personal take on *how young is too young* (lol GQ!) 

Anytime momma comes along on the first date, or feels she needs to chaperon,
  i'd be pretty sure i was with a girl, and not a woman.

 i cant think of anything more defining to me  than that.
momma would not come along on a first date with a mature woman, regardless if the family was on
vacation together,it really is that simple.
 
and I'm not picking on billyb..
I wish him luck, and I'm sure he will land on his feet no matter what.
A's probably a great gal too!


but honestly I'd still rib the heck  out of any of my buddies ,
no matter what age they were (24 to 44)
or what age the female  was (18 to 44) if momma tagged along on the first date.


Now if that trips your boat , and shes legal ,knock yourself right out.

In this case , a K1 is filed so shes legal , folks should stop fretting legal ramifications ,
it's silly.

[JR]

Amen AJ!!!

And to who ever it was upthread that said she's giving up the best years of her life: WTF?!?!?! What about Billy's life? Do you know what the best year for anyones life happens to be? I'll tell you, it's whatever year you happen to be in right now. Cuz that's all you get! Now start living!!!

You're welcome ;

[Kuna]

Phantasy is why we're here..))

The fantasy is why so many men fail...  meet their obvious horrific ending... and make sh!t decisions.

That being said... some may consider that they are chasing a fantasy...  but when the fantasy TAKES OVER - they can only expect trouble.

[TomT]

A's probably a great gal too!

I'd love to know how you drew that conclusion.

Consider the few facts that we have available to us: she is young, pretty, she knows how to pose and she met with Billy. Even if she was dumb as a doorknob, she could attract an exceptional man (assuming that he didn't know about Billy). Therefore, she is either too stupid to understand her marketability, a conniving opportunist or she has been hypnotized by Billy's interpersonal skills, intellect and manliness.

Billy has already stated that she wasn't as sharp as he is. We can't assume that that is true because he has quite an aggrandized image of himself. Even if we assume that they are at parity, she still isn't the sharpest tool in the box. Opportunism would not be very far-fetched because girls, especially in challenged parts of the world, learn to capitalize on their assets at a very early age. As for being hypnotized, that is patently ludicrous. It is as excruciating to read Billy's posts as it is to look through a book of medical anomalies and she is likely to be reading that same sort of things that he is telling us.

The confounding factor is that we don't know the extent to which she might be being controlled, used or sold by mama. The most likely outcome is that she won't fall far from the tree, however, and that would be very bad news indeed.

[Gator]

Billy has already stated that she wasn't as sharp as he is. We can't assume that that is true because he has quite an aggrandized image of himself.

    Clever, as one should expect from you.

[Gator]

Kuna and JR,

I believe both of you are correct.

When first discovering the row after row of pretty photos, one's imagination encourages one to take the next step and write a few.  And it becomes even more intriguing when talking with them on the phone.  And it takes more than curiosity to get a man to fly 8,000 miles.  Yet it is dangerous IMO to build up one's expectations prior to meeting.   And upon actually meeting a RW, one better be logical. 

I will admit that when having a good time, the devil's advocate does not always get my attention.  But not to the point of becoming delusional in the eyes of the world.  There is a continuum from imagination to delusional.  The farther towards the delusional end, the more dangerous.

[Vaughn]

That was a 5-star post, Gator.

The least common denominator can be difficult to see and accept in the midst of all the exoticism.

[GQBlues]

My personal take on *how young is too young*

et al-

Your chances of actually meeting folks who’ll disagree that 18-year olds are in fact generally too ‘young’ is equal to the chances of you meeting a Jewish nun, no? That said, c’mon now…let's be honest. That really isn’t what this particular subject is all about fellas, right?

This (topic) is like a silly multi-layer cake in the middle of the table surrounded by men of varying ages chomping at the bit. Some with knives while others are wielding dull axes and in the haste to get a finger on that cake, they start to cut each other's fingers in the process…

My question is…Is it really so much about that this woman is too ‘young’ and 'immature' and not necessarily because BillyB seem anxious, at least to many of you, to simply unleash and free willy? Maybe the reverse? Both? Or maybe it's simply just because its BillyB, period?

Ground Rule No. 1: For the sake of sanity, let’s officially exorcise the silly and exhaustively used BS that FSUW are much more matured than their western sisters, OK?  That’s as silly then as it is now and always will be. There are plenty more of these silly croc that gets liberally thrown around by delusional men in this little adventure – but that particular one applies to this discussion so I hope we can agree that phrase is just plain BULLSH!T, ok? It's counter to other people's point..

Gound Rule No. 2: WARNING: GENERALIZATION APPROACHING!!! PLEASE BE FOREWARNED!

Many times in places like RWD and such, guys often say that women younger than 26 just aren’t ready for marriages. They just simply do not understand much less know what life is all about. The very same men will also universally say that FSUWs who is approaching 30 years of age and single is basically, for lack of a better term, “relationship challenged, quasi-desperate, blah, blah, blah etc…”.

That's a very small window of opportunity for these women, man...LOL!

Personally, I don’t know where these ‘men’ get this information from? I can’t help but wonder if these western men are simply talking out of their hairy arses, no?

So generally, women aged <26 doesn’t have the maturity of a woman say, 26, 27, 28…and she must first experience life.

*In Ukraine, for a typical young woman of 18-26 year old, please define what exactly does ‘experiencing life’ means…?

Maybe it’s just me, maybe it’s just the women involved in MOB or international dating/marriages – but in my personal observation, there sure are a whole lot of ‘matured’ 26, 27, 28 available single mothers looking for ‘love’. So help me out on this one…these are THE women given to live their respective lives and youth that are now ‘primed’ for marriages because they all apparently matured somehow?

For an average young Ukrainian woman, please define the maturing process of a typical MOB 26 year old from being 18-20 years old…

So now the woman is 26-30 years old – likely with a young child – likely still living with Babu. Does this mean she’s matured enough now to attend a western-held parties which include fun things like ‘pin the pick your donkey’, where, for the price of free food and cheap champagne, she gets to wear sexy clothes and high-heeled stiletto shoes and sit in a table of 3-4 four other ‘matured’ women while being scoped by alternating men, acting as though they’re being graced upon by gawd’s greatest gift to *matured* women…

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, mind you   Many of you even advice others to do just that, right?

So in a nutshell and deep inside the world of the MOB, is this really the point many is making here? Or you really just don't like BillyB because he allegedly have Fat Elvis and you don't?

[Maxx2]

GQ, you're wife was 20 years old when you met her and you around 40 right? What were the ages of the other Russian women you met in the FSU? Did you have this age thing so well thought out then as you do now? For me I was 48 and she 33 and I was uneasy as all heck about it. Perhaps I was just unsure about a woman loving me with my abundant hair on my back and coming out my butt crack. As I get older my memory gets worse so I can't remember which or if it was another concern of mine. Memory loss works good though when I re-watch movies I have seen before. I do remember the 20-40 deal though.

[Muzh]

Billy has already stated that she wasn't as sharp as he is. We can't assume that that is true because he has quite an aggrandized image of himself. Even if we assume that they are at parity, she still isn't the sharpest tool in the box. Opportunism would not be very far-fetched because girls, especially in challenged parts of the world, learn to capitalize on their assets at a very early age. As for being hypnotized, that is patently ludicrous. It is as excruciating to read Billy's posts as it is to look through a book of medical anomalies and she is likely to be reading that same sort of things that he is telling us.

 

The confounding factor is that we don't know the extent to which she might be being controlled, used or sold by mama. The most likely outcome is that she won't fall far from the tree, however, and that would be very bad news indeed.

Me thinks you have discovered Tut's tomb.

A friend of mine went through this scenario. He was originally communicating with a woman closer to his age and was using an interpreter. After a couple of letters, the interpreter told him to dump the pig (her words) and instead take her daughter. She was 18 at the time. I'm not saying she sold her daughter. I'm convinced she was trying to take care of her by finding her a good provider. My friend couldn't believe his luck. An 18 yo smokinghotnova! (Definitely hot.) The problem here is/was that she was 18; a.k.a. very inmature. She did love him at the begining and had a son together. The problem was that she never had the male attention in her village like the one she got here in the US. Talking about vultures circling the body. So much temptation, so little time. It also hurt that an older GCG became her "best friend."

Are we to blame her? Sort of. She should have known better but we are dealing with an inmature person.

Are we to blame him? Definitely, he should have known better he was dealing with an inmature person. He even says so.


How young is too young? I think it has to do with compatible inmaturities.

[BC]

GQ,

Good line of thought.. seems to come straight from Plato's Republic with all those questions. LOL

Bottom line, I think the difficulties arise from Billy's inability to even remotely acknowledge the thoughts and opinion of others, but OTOH wishes to dish out wisdom reeking of authority at this very early stage of his relationship with a teenage girl.

A simple 'Hey guys, I hear ya but am going to do what I'm going to do.' would have eradicated about 30 pages of that thread including the posts here.

Of course there is no authority in this venture, only the combined experience/consensus of quite a few that are simply trying to raise the level of Billy's thoughts above his belt-line and at the same time stay below the clouds.

Consider it as a simply jury of peers looking at both the developing situation and notable prior history of the 'defendant'.

All here realize that there is nothing that can be done to prevent this union, but are at least providing interesting discourse and setting themselves up for 'I told you so' a couple years or less down the road.

I think the only reasonable way out is to set up a betting pool.. my 20 bucks are in if anyone wants to handle it.  I must admit that I would have lost with TG and VW, but won with his prior fiancee.. can't remember how old she was.. but quite young IIRC.  If "A" were somewhere in her 20's I doubt a voice would be heard.

[GQBlues]

GQ, you're wife was 20 years old when you met her and you around 40 right?

Man, we sure are fast approaching acceptable 'life stages' BS everyone seem to toss around, eh?   In the meantime....

Since my marriage to my wife, she went through a normal University life, parties, we raved, she hung -out with her friends, travelled to many places likely more so than the average American woman, let alone an average FSUW, etc...and today, she's got more personal credentials and professional merit than many women her age both from the US and FSU.

She can literally work anywhere she wants globally today, Maxx.

Earlier this year after she landed her present job, she was very apprehensive giving th news to her 'older' sisters. Her mumski concurred. It struck me a bit strange in the beginning but eventually understood her point. You see, neither of her sisters presently work, nor have an established career...the oldest one however, since learning wifey graduated from Cal-State, started trying to pursue her studies in the country (not Russia) they live in.

Comparatively, from the Russian front, we just recently found out that one of her GF they lost contact with before came back to Novo, same age as she, with two children - no hubby or career - moving back to babu and hopeful she and the kid will have a better life than they've had the past 5 years apparently. Her 2 other gril friends from school, one works in a travel agency in Novo, divorced. The other living wth her hubby's mumski's place in Kyrgyzstan - two kids, not work. She at least is still married, thankfully...

That's FWIW...

The women I contacted and spoken with during my tour....

The oldest, at 39, probably the most beautiful of them all. Man, that woman was SEXY! She had a son 19 years old. From Ukraine but was in Moscow temporarily at the time. Long story short - she would've been one of the gals I was meeting with, but cut her loose (i'll tell you why if you really wanna know)...I told her on the phone in light of what happened, meeting in person is no longer of interest for me and bid her good luck. She, in turn, sent me an email generally saying that I may have just 'lost' a great gal in her in my pursuit...attached with 3 photos of her sexy self, on high heels, bedside, with just her panties on and a long-sleeved shirt, unbuttoned, with no bra. Now that woman was so 'matured' I literally 'fart' just thinking about it. At 39, her bare breasts were tantalizing...so phocking matured, these women, I'll tell yah...

Also, there was that 32 year old from Ekaterinberg (think Faith Hill) with a 13 year old daughter. I used to love to hear her say 'Matteo', LOL. Gorgeous woman...eventually, I realized she was both so 'matured' in age and as a mother, I decided I was right to put her on a freeze frame. I believe in 3-4 months after my trip, she sent me an email telling me she's on her way back to Russia (from Florida) and she'll be laying over JFK and would like to know ifI can fly-out to meet with her...what was she 'doing' in Florida is likely something only  matured women do. No need for me to demonize what happened since this really is besides the point.


What about you, Maxx, what's going on with you these days?

As for that hairy-butt...oh the many wonders of duct tape,  ...

[BC]

Perhaps I was just unsure about a woman loving me with my abundant hair on my back and coming out my butt crack.

You mean your wife hasn't taught you how to shave yet??

Something is amiss....
 

[GQBlues]

Bottom line, I think the difficulties arise from Billy's inability to even remotely acknowledge the thoughts and opinion of others, but OTOH wishes to dish out wisdom reeking of authority at this very early stage of his relationship with a teenage girl.

BillyB HASN'T got the clue what it will take to be married to anyone 'young'. I couldn't give a ratz arse if he *thinks* he does.

My only hope is that once that gal gets taken out of her town and country that HE realizes soon enough that doing that is no longer about HIM, but about HER..

If BillyB is HALF the man he so flippantly believe he is, he'll shun the BS he's been tossing around here and make darn sure little Billyboys doesn't become a reality for a few more years to come...for HER sake.

[Maxx2]

What about you, Maxx, what's going on with you these days?

As for that hairy-butt...oh the many wonders of duct tape,  ...

Ouch!

I'm just preparing for economic Armageddon scheduled for 2012 and researching the best way to get a perfect FSU wife by reading your posts. A RW with a well managed Dacha and a stable family that is open to a Westerner inlaw is a must.

Serious though, I'm glad life has been good for you and Nat. My advice though is good times might not last so buy lots and lots of gold and silver and sure your inlaws are taking good care of the family Dacha.

[Maxx2]

If BillyB is HALF the man he so flippantly believe he is, he'll shun the BS he's been tossing around here and make darn sure little Billyboys doesn't become a reality for a few more years to come...

I'll bet they will be cute though... My grand daughter is 7 months old today. My daughter told me that she hasn't figured out to crawl yet but knows how to get where she wants by rolling there