Elena's Models.... Are they the "lessor of all evils" in the search?

[Kapitanleutnant]

Gents:

I have read of and visited EM and from what I read here, it seems to fit that "lessor of the evils" thing I'm looking for.   

I realize there is a thread on the agency scams and having gone thru those, it does appear EM seems to be one of the better out there. 

Reason I ask is that I'm about to select a site to utilize for the beginning of serious communications with some nice women from the FSU.   

I'm certainly open to other suggestions as well about sites.

Kapitan

[Gator]

I consider EM the most reputable of large listing agencies.  You should send an EOI to several women and see what happens.  If a woman is interested, she will respond by giving you her email addy.  The possibilities are endless.

With the less reputable agencies you will discover a higher number of beautiful women, and upon joining you will receive  delicious letters from some.   More than likely the RW do not know that you exist, and the letters are simply a ploy by the agency to generate correspondence in a "pay by the letter" business model.


After a month or so, I suggest that try other reputable sites.  The costs are low compared to taking a trip.

EM women are from cities across the FSU.  It is best to focus on one or two specific regions dependent upon how long of a trip you plan to make.

After more experience, you can try the dating sites such as mamba.  The women are not expecting letters from foreigners, and proficiency in English will be less than with EM. 

[Jumper]

EM
is certainly better than some of those  others for sure,
, that said,  my advice is to not get all rolled up in one website, or even one method.

don't be shy, try  a bunch..and weed out the sites you don't like
The ones you were contemplating or playing with before should be obvious to you as not the
best method.

maybe try
freepersonals.ru
bride.ru
mamba.ru

or  sites like
vkontake
mail.ru
etc

Twobitbandit had a good list in recent thread.

Since you considered recently a big agency tour,
so don't overlook going on an adventure with Jack and First Dream.


Its certainly not a race and i'm not picking on you ,but as close as you are,
 you could have visited 5 times already..while deliberating
 if you had no idea who to see , Jack could have had a few reliable local agencies in any city.

 i'm across an ocean, and think i've been twice since your first post,
granted to see someone,
but you certainly ,in one or two short trips, could have an even better grasp on things than your older experience years ago has given you, and this would help in sorting out agencies and correspondence ,as well as  the possibility of meeting someone during the trip.

[dogspot]

I used to use a site that doesn't get any mention around here called Lavaplace.com. Not only did I meet the most amazing woman on the planet there, but I also corresponded with some wonderful women who would make fabulous wives (and a couple who are now married and have children). The price is cheap (like 40 bucks for 3 months or something) and there are plenty of sincere, gorgeous women looking for international love.

[I/O]

my advice is to not get all rolled up in one website, or even one method

Agree and..................

KL: I've seen more than a goodly number come in here asking for various introduction site appraisals and that isn't unreasonable in and of itself but, what is perhaps a little naive' IMO, is to expect to make a selection from there and enjoy a fairly hassle free ride forward. Website or website, Caveat Emptor...!!

[LAman]

It is more about the guy and what he is looking for than any site that can be mentioned. If a guy is unrealistic, a dreamer or insincere........... even a full platter placed in his lap will fall to pieces.

I have tried many different sites, including ones mentioned on RWD and ones avoided on RWD and have done reasonably well. It is NOT about being married, it is about finding the right person and the right person finding you.

I have nothing positive or negative about EM, just like any other site which has a fee for a certain period. I did notice it has quite a lot of russian women as compared to ukranian women.

[Gator]

I used to use a site that doesn't get any mention around here called Lavaplace.com.

Good suggestion.  I just now studied the site, and it seems that the women are sincere.  If I were looking for women, I would try it.


The name Lava........hmmmmm......sounds like a good site for Sia, the RWD volcano.   

[Kapitanleutnant]

AJ....

My company rules dictated that I not travel while "sick" so there ya have it.   

I also think each of us has their own "speed" at which we like to proceed here.   I have generally proceed slowly and get info until I feel I know what the heck I'm doing.... especially when looking for a nice woman to possibly spend the rest of my life with.   So, I guess what I'm saying is.... I'm a little slower than most at taking that next step where others might just up and go.   

It's just how I roll...  :-)

Kapitan 

[Aloe]

AJ....

My company rules dictated that I not travel while "sick" so there ya have it.   

I also think each of us has their own "speed" at which we like to proceed here.   I have generally proceed slowly and get info until I feel I know what the heck I'm doing.... especially when looking for a nice woman to possibly spend the rest of my life with.   So, I guess what I'm saying is.... I'm a little slower than most at taking that next step where others might just up and go.   

It's just how I roll...  :-)

Kapitan 

If you roll too slow, very many women will dismiss you. There are way too many keyboard romeos out there to waste years or even half a year on someone who is taking all the time in the world and seems to be just another romeo

[Kapitanleutnant]

Well....

I understand what you are saying, but respectfully....  It might be their loss then, eh?   

K

[Gator]

Well....

I understand what you are saying, but respectfully....  It might be their loss then, eh?   

Yes, it might be their loss.  In fact, I pity the unfortunate RW who have already lost because you have not written them during this past year.

BTW, Blues Fairy, one of the happily married RW who graces RWD, corresponded for over a year with her future husband before meeting him.  The vast majority of RW have Aloe's opinion about pace.

[Jumper]

Kaptian-

like i stated wasn't picking on you..
just suggested that there are some  alternative research methods,
in country on the ground is simply one of many..
you don't have to travel there with anyone in particular in mind,
 to get the jest of the specifics of culture when associated with agencies inner workings.

as far as speed.. absolutely everyone should go at their own pace.

I never felt rushed or like i needed  to go in a certain time frame,
but if i did find someone of serious interest,  i simply went.
there was no reason not to, as niether of you will actually know much until
a personal meeting,and that's all it is , a meeting, unless you both build some expectations into it that likely cant be met.

Also there are likely a lot of RW  in your general  area already as another alternative..


As far as researching, nothing wrong with that and doing your due diligence

[Jack]

Hello Kapitan,

You did ask for suggestions, you have received some. And it's quite obvious you do not agree with some of those offered but it is to be expected. As you are doing, you will procceed in the manner in which you perceive is the best for you. If your perceived preferred method does not produce you will change and try things differently, more than likely.

You say you are about to select a site to utilize for the beginning of serious communications.  And my questions is WHY limit yourself to a single site?   Elena's Models is a site many of our clients use. And these same clients do not use just one site, they use several websites, agencies, including some effective Russian personal sites, and some of these sites are free.

Next comment I will make is to the speed in which I think you prefer to move.  Very few real and sincere ladies will want to have a loooooooong time of communicating. Most, as their will always be exceptions, most Ukr/Rus ladies want to meet the man sooner, not later and with 3-5-7 emails,  NOT  20-40  emails between them.

Yes, a man is going to choose the style, method he is most comfortable with but a man has to also look at the potential pitfall's to his preferred method.  Only my opinion but if your only going to write ladies you can have a long time of corresponding with, you are going to miss out on many sincere and good ladies.   On the other hand I see many, many not so sincere women who love to write, write, write many emails for many months. And the common denominator with most of those type women is  $.      $ for them, and the agency/company they are working for.

[Muzh]

Hello Kapitan,


You say you are about to select a site to utilize for the beginning of serious communications.  And my questions is WHY limit yourself to a single site?   Elena's Models is a site many of our clients use. And these same clients do not use just one site, they use several websites, agencies, including some effective Russian personal sites, and some of these sites are free.

Hence the 5% solution.

Next comment I will make is to the speed in which I think you prefer to move.  Very few real and sincere ladies will want to have a loooooooong time of communicating. Most, as their will always be exceptions, most Ukr/Rus ladies want to meet the man sooner, not later and with 3-5-7 emails,  NOT  20-40  emails between them.

Yes, a man is going to choose the style, method he is most comfortable with but a man has to also look at the potential pitfall's to his preferred method.  Only my opinion but if your only going to write ladies you can have a long time of corresponding with, you are going to miss out on many sincere and good ladies.   On the other hand I see many, many not so sincere women who love to write, write, write many emails for many months. And the common denominator with most of those type women is  $.      $ for them, and the agency/company they are working for.

Jack, I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote, you are in the business.

However, I will side with Mon Kapitan on this one issue. Not that the others are wrong. Personally, I'd be very distrustful of ladies who would want a speedy affair. To me it smells of "I want out of here."

In my travels to UA I've met quite a few ladies that are friends of the family and I've asked them hypothetical questions regarding these type of mating. Some have riled against the keyboard romeo scenario while many have sided with a protracted but romantic relationship. They would argue this way they get to know who they are talking with and try to minimize mistakes. Notice I said minimize, not eliminate.

I'll tell you something. Many years ago I spent almost 10 months communicating with my wife before we met face to face. Knowing what I know today I would still spend that kind of time getting to know a woman from the former Soyuz. But that is just me and how I feel it would work for me. It seems Mon Kapitan is on the same wavelength.

EDIT: Boy, I should read before posting.

[I/O]

Blues Fairy, one of the happily married RW who graces RWD, corresponded for over a year with her future husband before meeting him.

IIRC it might have been around 3 years before they finally met. My ol' lady wrote to me for well over a year before we met (of course it was her doing all the writing). She could have been married to the Swede she wrote to for over a year before that if he had done better than decide she should come visit him and offer $100 towards a ticket (the $100 wasn't the issue, it was the suggestion which she spat the dummy out about). Point is, the right one will wait.

I read many profiles years back which had an inclusion along the lines of "I'm ready for real meeting and I don't want long correspondence". I always found it rather ironic that such women would often be the first to complain about guys only being interested in the "physicals". What, realistically, would one expect? 3 emails, 10 photos and expect a relationship to be all deep and meaningful upon meeting? I don't think so.

Whilst I respect the ladys right to hold the view she wishes to meet sooner rather than later, for the most part it's a bit of rubbish and the ones who jump up and down about it are ususally (IMO) their own worst enemy or not all that serious about this whole pursuit which is, after all, a long distance time consuming exercise by its very nature. Furthermore, the ones who shouted their desire to meet asap always rather reeked to me of good time girls who were pretty keen to be wined and dined just for the hell of it and had quite succession of suckers lined up ready to do just that.

I met a goodly number of women over a number of years travelling and never was time an issue for those worth meeting. I'm not actually advocating delaying a meeting but I am pointing out there is another side to the debate. My concern for the OP is his trying to "automate" the process a little to much. It is a personal pursuit, arguably the most personal of all. Systems, proxies, websites, agents et al won't do it for you. You do it for you.

[The Natural]

She could have been married to the Swede she wrote to for over a year before that if he had done better than decide she should come visit him and offer $100 towards a ticket (the $100 wasn't the issue, it was the suggestion which she spat the dummy out about). Point is, the right one will wait.

Well, Swedes are known to be cheap with their Kronor 

Whilst I respect the ladys right to hold the view she wishes to meet sooner rather than later, for the most part it's a bit of rubbish and the ones who jump up and down about it are ususally (IMO) their own worst enemy or not all that serious about this whole pursuit which is, after all, a long distance time consuming exercise by its very nature. Furthermore, the ones who shouted their desire to meet asap always rather reeked to me of good time girls who were pretty keen to be wined and dined just for the hell of it and had quite succession of suckers lined up ready to do just that.

My problem (one of them) is that I can see the validity of both points. I have noticed that most women I now get in touch with want to move the correspondence out of EM at once. They give me their e-mail address and quite a few of them do say they don’t want a contact of endless letter that end up nowhere. Now, why is that? One can argue, as you do, that they are not serious enough or want a sugar daddy for a few days. I’m sure they exist but have no way of knowing how widespread it is.

On the other hand, let’s consider a couple of well-known other reasons. She might have tried this before and spent a lot of her free time on endless correspondence that indeed went nowhere. As is the advise on this board to men to write to a whole bunch of women, pure logic dictate that for every one woman who finally get a visit, there are numerous who spend time and energy for nothing more than a temporary pen-pal. In addition, they themselves write to several other men. This is a lot of e-mails, no wonder most of them tire of this after a while.

It is another reason perhaps and it’s for women who have done this before to test their contacts to see if they really are serious, by asking for a visit soon.
I have myself been through this process in 2003 when I wrote to my then wife for months and months, long letters every day and phone calls too. This was before Skype or we would have used that too. I felt we knew each other in and out by the time we met, but still it was not to last.

Everyone is somewhat unique in personality and situation, but for myself I figure I want to take a chance. Sure, write, I love to write. But make a move and go on a trip, sooner rather than later. What’s the worst that can happen? You meet and it didn’t seem right but you got to visit a new country, see the sights and have a nice holiday.

PS As a sidenote, it is really difficult to write on the posting section. The text keep on jumping upwards. Anybody else have this problem?

[Jack]

Muzh as I mentioned, there will be some ladies who really do want to write for 10 months, such as your wife, but from what I am seeing today most women do not want to write more than a couple of months, most women do not want to write 30-40 emails unless they are in the business.    Most women have become so accustomed to men who just like to write, write, write and then















they just disappear.  And many women think about the time they wasted. They had their hopes up, maybe this man who likes to write me everyday is different, maybe this man who likes to write several times a week is real.   And most the time these guys who like to write, write



















usually disappear.


Things are always changing. I do recall in the mid to late 90's it seems ladies were a little more interested in getting to know someone. In those days cell phones were just getting off the ground, their was no skype, i-net service was often slow and not as plentiful.

But in today's time, after you have told ALL about yourself, your family, your life in the first 8 emails, how much more can you tell about yourself over the next 6 months?

Listen Muzh and other men who prefer to write a woman for a long time, if this is what you prefer, proceed.  If you find a woman who likes to write, write, write as much as you, great!  Then these two have the start of a good fit. These two want to write each other for 7-9-10 months, wonderful, but I can tell you today, most women who have received the attention of more than a few men, do not prefer to write 30-40 emails over 5-8-10 months time. Most of these women prefer to write enough to know a little about the man  and then they would like to meet him, almost all ladies would prefer to meet a man who can meet her within 60 days, but there are those women who prefer to write and get to know a man for 10 months.   If you are that type of man I'm sure you can find this type woman, BUT if you are this type man and you think a lot of ladies you have interest in will want to write for 7-10 months, you would be mistaken.

[GoodOlBoy]

If you roll too slow, very many women will dismiss you.

The vast majority of RW have Aloe's opinion about pace.

My wife agrees with Aloe.
You snooze, you lose (you are perceived as "not serious" by RW ).
Plan to make a trip in 4-6 months or forget it.

GOB

PS....Newbies, I am talking about a meeting NOT a marriage proposal!

[I/O]

the validity of both points.

Yes indeed and there is just that. You'll find this meet immediately and meet later will take on a passion of age gap or VM vs VO proportions if persued and it's all a bit ridiculous really.

But for the fun of playing devils advocate.................

But in today's time, after you have told ALL about yourself, your family, your life in the first 8 emails, how much more can you tell about yourself over the next 6 months?

LOL, sometimes, for a guy so involved in this process, you miss so much. Jack, as an agent, a guide, a mentor and by nature a face to face person you clearly don't understand (nor should you be expected to) what is so missing in the above. The reality is, for the person genuinely capable of developing such a situation by pen, there will be ever more to discuss over the next 6 months, the depth of which will only increase. But OTOH, for the person who isn't naturally that way inclined, it'll be lost on them as it is on you.

but I can tell you today, most women who have received the attention of more than a few men, do not prefer to write 30-40 emails over 5-8-10 months time. Most of these women prefer to write enough to know a little about the man  and then they would like to meet him, almost all ladies would prefer to meet a man who can meet her within 60 days

Certainly but, as a numbers man, you know the reality is very different. You can go onto dozens of sites or go to dozens of agents, find what? 20, 30, 40 or more thousand FSU women and how many actual meetings are happening each month? 500? 1000? I doubt it. So "most" women listed as searching wherever are not kicking a goal. That's the way it was when I first travelled through Moldova, Russia, Latvia and others near a decade ago and it is the same today. "Most" aren't kicking a goal, a few are.

None of the above dictates anyone should go one way or another and I've generally thought one should aim to meet sooner rather than later becuase often, even with the best of intentions, there may well be some delay which stretches the whole thing anyway. Nevertheless, I met more than a few over time and although some of those happened to be within days of initial contact, I never had any refusals (although a few complaints) about my profile comments which went something like "take a look at where I live, I'm not going to be on your doorstep next week, if you are looking to meet someone immediately, I'm not him". Furthermore, I really never cared too much if I wasn't the first to meet her, if she had others lined up, so be it, I had enough confidence to know that if I found what I wanted, I could win the day, thus from that perspective, the "others she's meeting" are irrelevant (crap, did that just sound like Billy B or what?).

[The Natural]

Furthermore, I really never cared too much if I wasn't the first to meet her, if she had others lined up, so be it, I had enough confidence to know that if I found what I wanted, I could win the day, thus from that perspective, the "others she's meeting" are irrelevant (crap, did that just sound like Billy B or what?).

Haha, you just saved yourself with that last sentence.

[Anotherkiwi]

...PS As a sidenote, it is really difficult to write on the posting section. The text keep on jumping upwards. Anybody else have this problem?

This came up a little while ago (I was one of many with this problem).  Set your browser to "Compatibility View" in the "Tools" drop-down, close and re-open the browser and you should have no problems. I think from what others posted that this only affects Internet Explorer, not Firefox or Google Chrome.

[I/O]

I think from what others posted that this only affects Internet Explorer, not Firefox or Google Chrome.

Nah, does it with FF also sometimes.

[Speedbump]

This came up a little while ago (I was one of many with this problem).  Set your browser to "Compatibility View" in the "Tools" drop-down, close and re-open the browser and you should have no problems. I think from what others posted that this only affects Internet Explorer, not Firefox or Google Chrome.

Thanks Natural and AnotherKiwi! I thought I was the only one having the problem and it looks like AnotherKiwi's fix works.

[Anotherkiwi]

Thanks Natural and AnotherKiwi! I thought I was the only one having the problem and it looks like AnotherKiwi's fix works.

I can't take the credit for this one - I have a feeling that it may have been Chicagoguy (?) whose post I saw (about two months ago).

[Speedbump]

I used Elena's Models and RussianEuro. They both had plenty of sincere women. I tried Mamba for a little bit but it was just too much for me.

I think RE has many more scammers then EM but they also had a wider choice of active women. I found it very easy to sort out the scammers. They seemed to be unsophisticated. Just watch out for young and beautiful women who contact you first. I did not find one sincere woman who wrote first.

I also looked at luckylovers, cuteonly and a few others. I did not go with them for reasons I do not remember. There was one site that had a compatability test. I do not remember the name but it looked very good and I liked the idea of a compatability test. I did not use it because I was feeling overwhelmed by the contacts on EM and RE.

Good luck in your search.