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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2075 on: May 01, 2025, 10:51:15 AM »
Agree with what You said but my point is I see it more in FSU culture now than in western culture among young women!
Don't see this at all in my daughter or her friends. When These American girls think of their financial future they mostly
thing about their own education and job not about female energy which would buy them lavish lifestyle paid by a man.

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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2076 on: Yesterday at 12:49:50 AM »
Agree with what You said but my point is I see it more in FSU culture now than in western culture among young women!
Don't see this at all in my daughter or her friends. When These American girls think of their financial future they mostly
thing about their own education and job not about female energy which would buy them lavish lifestyle paid by a man.
   
I was overgeneralizing and forgot a little bit that the subject was about these young FSU girls.
Very happy for you that your daughter and her friends don't get this spirit, how old is she?
   
Olga, between what you have know during your time in FSU and the behavior I have described of this young woman, how do you explain that things have shifted like this in 20 years in FSU? How have they got this "just pay to have me around"?   
I invite women here to express their opinion. 
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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2077 on: Yesterday at 09:46:44 AM »
hi! Our daughter is 21 and is a computer science university student.

I think the entitlement attitude is a result of pendulum swinging the other direction.
in 90s after the soviet union crumbled, many men lost their jobs and instead of
finding other ways to help support families, many got depressed, started drinking
and just sat at home while their wives learned to make money in the new economy
being more adaptable. At the same time women continued to do everything at home too
because it was considered a woman's job.

So many women had had enough and got tired to do everything: support a family alone
AND do all the typically female duties. They went from one extreme to another extreme
and now they want the man to provide 100% of family income : even if a woman works
her money is only hers and his is for family. At the same time they decided a woman
doesn't need to do any typical female work at home either, she is just supposed to be
someone a man adores and works for and her only responsibility is to provide so called
"female energy".  In late 90s - early 2000s many women just wanted a traditional household
and were prepared to do their part in such household but their daughters - not so much.
They only wan tto keep part of traditions convenient to them

To me this is even different that feminism in US where women want to be treated same as men,
this is wanting a woman to be treated above the man so the man has all the typical traditional
male responsibility while she is being treated as a princess and doesn't need to do what women
did historically and instead sleep in, go to spas and salons, have a maid, get expensive gifts, etc.

This is mainly true for FSU women in their 20s and 30s who have grew up seeing their mom
slave away and now want the opposite.

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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2078 on: Yesterday at 11:27:19 AM »
Very interesting Olga 
It matches with some interviews (on young women) that I have seen made on streets by a Youtuber I think in Ukraine. 
And I was surprised hearing some one them saying something my money is my money (in the household). 
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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2079 on: Yesterday at 02:31:50 PM »
We are now in the final steps to give all documents to the embassy with lady of Thailand, and believe me the number of documents is really impressive.
After all of this, you think, they, of course, do whatever is possible to discourage to ask for a visa. 
So we have now a daily communication, even several times a day, with phone calls. 
   
The communication is really good at the moment, minus my problem with the Russian language. 
She do her part of work, no doubt, and even helped to move things forward because I was stupidly waiting for an appointment, while you have to ask one by yourself.   
     
That's a huge work. 
 
But in fact this story of visa, through the long course of his own challenges, reveals a little bit the true personalities of both contenders. 
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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2080 on: Yesterday at 07:48:22 PM »
really cool there is again good communication!
But I would still keep Your options open

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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2081 on: Today at 01:26:38 AM »

So many women had had enough and got tired to do everything: support a family alone
AND do all the typically female duties. They went from one extreme to another extreme
and now they want the man to provide 100% of family income : even if a woman works
her money is only hers and his is for family. At the same time they decided a woman
doesn't need to do any typical female work at home either, she is just supposed to be
someone a man adores and works for and her only responsibility is to provide so called
"female energy".  In late 90s - early 2000s many women just wanted a traditional household
and were prepared to do their part in such household but their daughters - not so much.
They only want to keep part of traditions convenient to them

To me this is even different that feminism in US where women want to be treated same as men,
this is wanting a woman to be treated above the man so the man has all the typical traditional
male responsibility while she is being treated as a princess and doesn't need to do what women
did historically and instead sleep in, go to spas and salons, have a maid, get expensive gifts, etc.

This is mainly true for FSU women in their 20s and 30s who have grew up seeing their mom
slave away and now want the opposite.

Yes, this tends to be true for my Ukrainian girl and her friends who are around 30 Olga. We've been dating over a year now and at first I just thought I had a career girl on my hands, I didn't really know what I had on my hands. But as you correctly point out it doesn't seem to be the same as in West thank goodness. However from what I have seen problems seem to come up with having children since if the woman isn't going to be available to look after the child much and the man who traditionally doesn't either then who does??? Lol.

Some want their parents to do some childminding but many have no wish to do so they have already done all that and don't wish for a redo. So often childminding services seem to be the answer if the lifestyles of the couple can't be scheduled well enough to look after the child/baby, but they often of course come at a cost and that is where discord can begin with the couple. Potentially if the cost can be endured until the baby is old enough to go to kindergarten, etc or similar where costs may be lower as looked after with others then that may alleviate the pressure. I've not got no problem with a woman having time to herself a bit, etc but I am not sure if this present day trend in Ukraine/FSU quite fits well enough. Potentially birth rates may continue to go down there if there isn't seen to be room enough in such a set up for children which is shame I think.

I definitely think that things have changed in dating in Ukraine/FSU over time, as you say a new generation of girls in their 20s and early 30s or so are around now and they aren't the same as the girls that many of the old timers on this board knew when dating, 30, 20 or even 10 years ago. Sure some things remain the same, always get flowers, pay for dates, open the door for the girl (but I find only when convenient now) but the psychology of these younger girls tend to be different, they are no longer the domestic goddesses that the older generation were minded to be, they may still do some cooking, etc but they aren't so grounded that way now. Still though I think a better option than most Western women, you just have to realise that the old stereotype of the typical Ukrainian/FSW doesn't usually apply to the younger generation of Ukrainian/FSW these days. I think a lot of people think things stay the same in Ukraine/FSU but even out there things change eventually over time the same as they do here but in different ways.

Good to hear things are going well again with your girl Pat also :)
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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2082 on: Today at 01:36:02 AM »
really cool there is again good communication!
But I would still keep Your options open

Thank Olga. 
I will. I am waiting a redo for an appointment with girl 2. 
I am waiting a little bit as I know she is traveling next days. 
The best is to let her coming back to me and if not you innocently call to get some news.
But definitively will explore this way or some other if it happens. 


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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2083 on: Today at 01:49:15 AM »
Yes, this tends to be true for my Ukrainian girl and her friends who are around 30 Olga. We've been dating over a year now and at first I just thought I had a career girl on my hands, I didn't really know what I had on my hands. But as you correctly point out it doesn't seem to be the same as in West thank goodness. However from what I have seen problems seem to come up with having children since if the woman isn't going to be available to look after the child much and the man who traditionally doesn't either then who does??? Lol.

Some want their parents to do some childminding but many have no wish to do so they have already done all that and don't wish for a redo. So often childminding services seem to be the answer if the lifestyles of the couple can't be scheduled well enough to look after the child/baby, but they often of course come at a cost and that is where discord can begin with the couple. Potentially if the cost can be endured until the baby is old enough to go to kindergarten, etc or similar where costs may be lower as looked after with others then that may alleviate the pressure. I've not got no problem with a woman having time to herself a bit, etc but I am not sure if this present day trend in Ukraine/FSU quite fits well enough. Potentially birth rates may continue to go down there if there isn't seen to be room enough in such a set up for children which is shame I think.

I definitely think that things have changed in dating in Ukraine/FSU over time, as you say a new generation of girls in their 20s and early 30s or so are around now and they aren't the same as the girls that many of the old timers on this board knew when dating, 30, 20 or even 10 years ago. Sure some things remain the same, always get flowers, pay for dates, open the door for the girl (but I find only when convenient now) but the psychology of these younger girls tend to be different, they are no longer the domestic goddesses that the older generation were minded to be, they may still do some cooking, etc but they aren't so grounded that way now. Still though I think a better option than most Western women, you just have to realise that the old stereotype of the typical Ukrainian/FSW doesn't usually apply to the younger generation of Ukrainian/FSW these days. I think a lot of people think things stay the same in Ukraine/FSU but even out there things change eventually over time the same as they do here but in different ways.

Good to hear things are going well again with your girl Pat also :)

Few years ago, just before the war I already observed a significant shift in Ukraine on the dating marketamong women around 40. 
As you said they were not so grounded the old way. As I have extensively dated from 2009, in a decade I could feel the difference myself.   
   
Things are going well again, thank Trenchcoat, but this is too new to give it enough credit now.
I look after more actions and commitment from her and just keep a mental score in my head of what is real. 
I came back to a dispassionated emotional and mental state as much as possible and feel really good about this. 
But I still greatly enjoy the interaction.
I have regained a lot more of humanity since I have met her. I cannot deny it. This is something that Krim never understood, it's not about the flesh, I was really and genuinely caring for this woman.
 
 
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Re: Operation White Panther
« Reply #2084 on: Today at 02:16:40 AM »
In terms of game, in this exact context, except the stupid idea to totally drop the girl at this stage, you have very little margin. 
At this exact moment we have very short time to finalize the visa, so it's not the moment to play the diva and put some distance on her or delay the calls.
You want this visa to be done, if not you are purely sabotaging yourself, the time you have already invested, your money, and a possible relationship.
Additionnaly, in international relationship, especially with languages differences, communication is paramount. I have already gave her FOUR timse the silent treatment. And the relationship it still there. That means at least that she wants to keep on.
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