What is your wifes profession

[Zhena]

The guys who are married-what your wives do? Whats their original professions and do they work in your country,and if yes,what do they do? Thanks.

[Bruce]

Homemaker with child .

[BC]

Homemaker with children fulltime job!

in RU was restaraunt manager/chef on ship.

[Goombah]

Homemaker with child.  Has a degree in Psychology, but worked in a family store in RU.

Kevin

[Leslie]

Classical musician.  Played violin with a theatre orchestra.  Also qualified music teacher - piano and violin.

In UK it has been hard to work as a musician. So my wife did a variety of jobs (including working for a contract cleaning outfit !) before we started a family.  Now she is a home maker and mother. 

I am sure Natasha will return to work as a musician.  It is part of her identity.

[Bruno]

[user=743]a fiancee[/user] wrote:

The guys who are married-what your wives do? Whats their original professions and do they work in your country,and if yes,what do they do? Thanks.

I WAS married...

She was student in Russia, never work there...

Here in Belgium, she have try two time work... each time, the boss have trow her out before the end of the first day... no, she life from our social system and from men that she seduce...

[Rvrwind]

Not sure if I qualify or not but here I go anyway:

My wife is a full time artist & a very talented one. Samples of her work can be seen here: http://www.tverangels.com/servicelist.shtml. Her peers continue to be envious of her talent which has brought her much prominence & admiration, unfortunately not a lot of cash. However she enjoys her work & it shows in the finished project. Now if I could only learn to take better pictures....

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

 

[Vaughn]

My wife earned a Master's in Russian literature and was a schoolteacher/homemaker. Here in the USA, she works in the proofing department for a regional bank. When she's more confident with her English, she longs to try interior design (with the visible improvements she's made in our home, she has the potential to excel at this)

Vaughn

[TigerPaws]

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[Zhena]

Tiger Paws-nothing if that is what you want both. And if your income allows that.

But I think about the women who had the good diplomas here in FSU,and thats a pity to loose such profession and all years that spended to studying... Sure,to be a mother is the best profession and the main womans intendion. But,if shes an active person and willing to earn some $$,is that bad?

[TigerPaws]

[user=743]a fiancee[/user] wrote:

Tiger Paws-nothing if that is what you want both. And if your income allows that.

But I think about the women who had the good diplomas here in FSU,and thats a pity to loose such profession and all years that spended to studying... Sure,to be a mother is the best profession and the main womans intendion. But,if shes an active person and willing to earn some $$,is that bad?

[color="blue"][size="4"] In very general terms no it is all a matter of personal wants, needs and desires. My personal feelings are if the couple has a child the mother or father should be at home full time for the first 4 to 5 years. After that it all depends on what the couple wants, my lady has no need to work except for personal fulfillment, then again we are traveling the world so she is very happy with that option for now. Maybe some day that will change, as so many things in life a person and couple does what is best for them at the time, if my lady wanted to work we would have to discuss the issue at length because it would mean changing our plans.   

a fiancee, if a couple has no need for the additional income then what good is the additional money except to buy more worthless stuff?
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[Leslie]

I want to make a couple of points here.

First getting a job was very important for Natasha's assimilation into British culture.  Moping around at home was a bad idea.  Second if my wife wants to work for her own satisfaction, that is her decision.

There is no economic reason for her to work.  I make enough money to support my family.  We have agreed that whilst the children are pre school Natasha won't work full time but part time is OK.  She is a very intelligent woman.  Trapped in the house with Tamara drives her gaga. 

If you marry an educated woman is it reasonable to expect her to be a housewife?

 

 

[TigerPaws]

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  [color="blue"][size="4"]It all depends on what she wants, if you as the man want a lady who wants a career then that is the kind and type of lady you seek out, if you want a lady who is happier staying at home then that is the kind and type of lady you look for.

 Seems simple enough.
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[dostogirl]

wow...lots of homemakers  I worked in different places here. The job I really liked was in a law office. Right now I work for a University (administrative work)..

[Leslie]

Tiger,

I agree with you.  The choice of women available to you is far wider than at home.  Choose a woman who shares your vision of a happy married life.  The life you lead is a lot of peoples dream (though in order to make it come true they would have to win the lottery!)

The reason I made the point above is that being "stuck at home"  is a common complaint on the women's forums.  Also a lot of women have unreasonable career expectations following emigration to the west.  In the beginning you have to settle for a lower status job than you had back home.  A lot FSU qualifications are completely worthless in the west.  It will take several years in college to get the same qualifications in the west, plus the the exams are in English!  (I know I would fail similar level exams in Russian even if I knew the subject matter very well!). 

Simple fact is that most new immigrants don't walk straight into a high status/pay job.  Sure you can achieve this if you are focused and hard working but life in the west is not "easy street"......

[ConnerVT]

After graduating from the university, my wife worked for the same employer for nearly 14 years, to become the chief accountant and managing the work of 10+ other women.

On her arrival to the US, she spent her first year exclusively as a homemaker and stay at home mom.  With a new home, a new country, a new language, Pasha and me, I know she had her hands full. 

Having perhaps outgrowing her ESL class, she began taking the H&R Block tax preparation course, as much to better her English as to learn more about US taxation and accounting.  She did very well, receiving a 94% score on her examinations.  She was offered a job from H&R Block, as well as another accounting firm (to do payable/receivables, as well as for the tax season).

She decided that accounting is too much stress, and instead took a job at a nearby department store.  I think it was a good decision, as she seems much happier for it. 

[tm33398]

A fiancee,

I think to work is not bad, and I am trying to encourage my wife to do so, but she would rather be a stay at home wife. I am trying to get her to drive but she is afraid. You really should talk about it with your husband to be. If that is what you really want you really should make sure he knows otherwise, there could be trouble later. Here I have learned you work with what you can get, and is probably that way everywhere.

[TigerPaws]

[user=504]tm33398[/user] wrote:

A fiancee,

I think to work is not bad, and I am trying to encourage my wife to do so, but she would rather be a stay at home wife. I am trying to get her to drive but she is afraid. You really should talk about it with your husband to be. If that is what you really want you really should make sure he knows otherwise, there could be trouble later. Here I have learned you work with what you can get, and is probably that way everywhere.

 I agree please talk about this and be sure the two of you have an agreement and understanding of what you want and expect.

 

[Todd]

Kate and I aren't really wrestling with this issue yet.  Right  now, she is back in  Belarus finishing her PhD in History and  Philosophy.  When she gets back, she will likely try to find a job  right away and work for a few years.  Ideally, I would like to see  her do a fellowship...even if it means working for free as it would  give her access to libraries and start to build her academic CV.   Otherwise, an administrative job at Harvard/MIT would be good as it  would allow her to take a class a semester for free. 

F, one thing that you might have noticed is how many of the people have  wives who are homemakers.  One thing that really surprised Kate  was the walkthrough that I gave her of the economics of having  children.  So, here is a question for you.  Say Kate and I  have two children in full-time daycare.  How much will Kate have  to make before her income ADDS not subtracts from our financial  situation.  (I live in Boston, which will affect this  calculation.)....Hint:  It is very unlikely for her to have a  starting job that makes that much.






All calcs done pre tax....guys let me know if I'm off anywhere...

Child care average cost (full time)....$1,500/child/monthx2x12=$36,000
Additional Car with fuel costs, depreciation, additional insurance, repairs(potentially)...... $500/yearx12=$6,000
Renting Parking Spot in Apartment Building....$200/monthx12=$2,400
Fewer prepared meals in house (2 meals/weekx$50/meax52 weeks)=$5,200
Business Professional Clothing ($1,000/year)= $1,000

Total $50,600

The math is actually going to be more complex than this as most if not  all of the child care is tax deductible, but the other quantities will  not be.  Finally, a large majority of the people on this forum are  probably in a pretty high Federal Tax bracket.  For myself, this  would mean  that Kate's income would get taxed at  33% (35%  if  I get a great bonus.)  State income tax here is  5.1%.  So, lets say that Kate's money will get taxed at 40%.   Let's relook at my math with lets say that Kate makes $61,000.  (A  very good wage for one starting out with a PhD.)


$61,000 (pre tax)
$36,000 (subtract childcare from Income tax)

$25,000 pre tax
$10,000  Tax

$15,000 POST Tax
$14,600 (other non childcare expenses above)
$400 (net contribution to the household PER YEAR)

So, the answer once taxes are figured in is that Kate will need to make  around $61,000 prior to make a net positive contribution to household  income.  I believe the Wall Street Journal came up with similar  numbers in their analysis.

[TigerPaws]

LoL Todd,

 I LOVE IT! If I remember right the WSJ's figures were baised on 65k per year and the net result was the same and those numbers do not take into account lost wages from having to stay at home with a sick child or any of the thousand other things which WILL happen.

 The BOTTOM LINE is that someone has to stay at home with the child.

[Zhena]

Actually,many women dream about to be a housewife as they worked here hard:) Believe me,many women dreams about the day when someone will tell her just to stay at home. But if a woman is active,I dont know. For example,I studied,then worked. I have an excellent education (though it needs to be evaluated and thats not easy,also expensive). I dont know how I will stay at home. Maybe I will like,maybe I ll be bored. One thing I am agree with,the small kids need the moms attention.

[TigerPaws]

a fiancee,

 

 Please read over Todd's post carefully, the numbers do not lie, look at the cost of daycare then thik about the cost to the relationship and what the child will go through.

[Todd]

Tiger Paws...

I think I see the reason for the disconnect of $61,000 vs. $65,000.  I neglected
to include Soc Security (would she get taxed on HER first $90,000 as well or would
that top out?) and Medicare.  This would increase her tax rate from 40% to
47.65% (1.45% Medicare plus 6.2% for Soc Security) and put the number more in ilne with the $65,000 number.


F...

I'm not trying to discourage you from working when you are here.   In fact, if you aren't planning on having children right away, I think  it is a great idea. It helps with assimilation and contributes money to  the family.   Just remember, you won't be able to work for roughly  6 months after your wedding due to immigration issues.

However, with Kate, an important motivation for wanting to work was to  make a positive contribution to household income.  With children,  it is extremely unlikely that she will earn enough to make that  possible until the children enter school.  Also, even good child  care has staff that will be far less educated and knowledgeable than  Kate.  Thus, the child benefits also.  If anything, these  numbers should make housewives feel more empowered as it places a true  quantifiable value to their contributions.  After the kids are in  school, I would hope actually she WOULD want to work.  It would be  a shame to not share that first class mind with others.

Todd

[Bruno]

Child care average cost (full time)....$1,500/child/monthx2x12=$36,000
Additional Car with fuel costs, depreciation, additional insurance, repairs(potentially)...... $500/yearx12=$6,000
Renting Parking Spot in Apartment Building....$200/monthx12=$2,400
Fewer prepared meals in house (2 meals/weekx$50/meax52 weeks)=$5,200
Business Professional Clothing ($1,000/year)= $1,000

 

 ... maybe Dan need to make some revision in his PDF about American family economy/budget....

The number of Todd are really a surprise for me... who life in a European Western country... I have stay in USA during 6 month but it was in 1988... 18 year ago... seem that now, life is very expensive in USA...

Our european socialist system is not very far from the communist one and enough easy to explain...

By example, $50 for a meal... here, a full meal, by personn when it is make home is around 3 euro...

Child care... around 6 euro day... proportional to income... 21 one day month, 126 euro... can be removed from tax...

Business professional expense, removed from tax...

By children, 7500$ income tax free...

By child, money pay by state...

When more child's, 3 or more, possibility to use state loan for house with interest equal to 0%, lower price for phone, energy, water, railroad, bus,...

When woman work half time, due to children, our state pay the second half time proportinal to 1/4 povrety level + 1/4 actual income...

So, in previous discussion, we have speak how much money was needed before start the dating process... but when children is involved, it seem that in USA, a very big income is needed... same superior to the high number of JB...

Of course, here in europa, it is cheaper when you have child... but never think that it is a gift from state... the main reason of the gouvernement help is because our population have a very low birth rate... they wish promote child... unfortunaly, it is not working, white european have around 1.3 child... but colored european ( African or muslim origine) like our system since they have around 5 child...

Myself and my ukrainian girlfriend wish 2 child... she wish work full time in begin with half time when children will be... Seem that for our American friend, children is a "luxe product"... certainly something needed to speak before marriage since several FSU women wish to be a career woman AND a mother...

By example

[TigerPaws]

Our european socialist system is not very far from the communist one

  Bruno I am very happy to see you finally admit that you live in a quasi communist country.