Vincenzo's thread and Mamba debate

[Vincenzo]

Mamba is a complete waste of time.

It's full of local guys looking for a one-night stand.

You never know which girl looks for an international affair. Most girls want only local guys in the same city.

[Alex from Ukraine]

Vincenzo, if you don't have much luck there, maybe you should go to Dream-Marriage or Anastasiadate, you will get tons of letters from young and pretty girls, you don't even need to put a photo and sure all of them really want to meet a foreing guy and get out of the country 

You should change your perspective... It's full of local guys, it means that a foreing guy like you will be something exotic for them. There are not many foreigners, it means that there are no professional scammers fishing as it makes no sence to fish in an empty lake for them.

[TwoBitBandit]

Mamba is a complete waste of time.
It's full of local guys looking for a one-night stand.
You never know which girl looks for an international affair. Most girls want only local guys in the same city.

The statement "It's full of local guys looking for a one-night stand" is largely true.  However, that's exactly the way a westerner can stand out from the crowd.  If you follow these steps:

1. Think carefully about and then write a great profile
2. Get it translated
3. Get really good pictures that make you look good
4. Write a short introduction paragraph to send
5. Get that translated too
6. Go write a bunch of girls...

You'll be amazed by the response.  The reason is that it's so contrary to what the local guys Russian are doing.  They get crappy photos, write a couple of sentences in their profile, and then write a greeting with some obvious sexual innuendo.  The reason you can get a good response is because it's so contrary to what the Russian men are doing.  A Russian woman can easily think, "wow, this guy is a refreshing change to all these crude idiots that normally write me."

It's true that most of the girls aren't thinking to move abroad.  However, there are some women that are just looking for a great guy, and they're willing to consider moving for the right guy.  (In many respects, these are higher quality women than the ones listed with agencies who just want a ticket to the west.)

[Misha]

Mamba is a complete waste of time.

Yes, a waste of time... Met my wife on mamba and will be celebrating our 5th year anniversary soon. A waste indeed  :evil:

[Patagonie]

Everybody is right.

Vincenzo is right too saying : "you never know which girl looks for an international affair. Most girls want only local guys in the same city." But it's true that a girl who really like you will follow you.

No the main problem at my opinion is the barrier language. I tried and all girls answers in russian, even i write please answer in english. At my opinion, it's the main problem. For someone who is skilled in russian, it can work perfectly, as you can quickly out of the crownd if you do it perfectly, as 2bbandit said.
It's impossible to manage the whole correspondance with a translator, it's totally crazy.

[Misha]

No the main problem at my opinion is the barrier language. I tried and all girls answers in russian, even i write please answer in english. At my opinion, it's the main problem. For someone who is skilled in russian, it can work perfectly, as you can quickly out of the crownd if you do it perfectly, as 2bbandit said.
It's impossible to manage the whole correspondance with a translator, it's totally crazy.

It is a numbers game. If you don't know any Russian, you have to write more women, that's all.

[Vincenzo]

Vincenzo, if you don't have much luck there, maybe you should go to Dream-Marriage or Anastasiadate, you will get tons of letters from young and pretty girls, you don't even need to put a photo and sure all of them really want to meet a foreing guy and get out of the country 

You should change your perspective... It's full of local guys, it means that a foreing guy like you will be something exotic for them. There are not many foreigners, it means that there are no professional scammers fishing as it makes no sence to fish in an empty lake for them.

Yes, Mamba is a waste of time, Anastasia is a waste of money.
I prefer something different.

Yes, if your name is Russian and you can go to a date every other day to see a new girl around the block, Mamba will work for you.

A scammer is a broad term. A scammer may ask to send her money. There are also girls who write you love letters and ask to come. Once you come, she tells you that she was bored and wanted a penpal to improve her English. Is she a scammer?

Mamba is a free website. Does anybody check the information?

[Vincenzo]

You'll be amazed by the response.  The reason is that it's so contrary to what the local guys Russian are doing.  They get crappy photos, write a couple of sentences in their profile, and then write a greeting with some obvious sexual innuendo.  The reason you can get a good response is because it's so contrary to what the Russian men are doing.  A Russian woman can easily think, "wow, this guy is a refreshing change to all these crude idiots that normally write me."

It's true that most of the girls aren't thinking to move abroad.  However, there are some women that are just looking for a great guy, and they're willing to consider moving for the right guy.

A smart Russian guy can do the same things as you mentioned. He has an advantage. While you're writing and translating an eloquent letter to a girl, he's already chatted with her, presented a bouquet and invited her to the movies. What are the chances that a foreigner comes to her city? 1 in 100?

It's still better to deal with girls who decided to find their love abroad. Immigration is not for everybody.

Certainly, if you're a 25-year-old handsome and athletic CEO, you'll have some success on Mamba. Or if you don't mind meeting a 40-year-old lady with 2 kids.

Think about Mamba as the opposite of Anastasia.
On Anastasia, a man receives a few letters a day from young and beautiful girls and one from an old and plain chick. The old chick actually wrote a sincere and good letter. But you didn't even read it.

On Mamba, a wonderful lady receives hundreds of letters a day. One or two guys are good. A sincere letter from a foreigner goes into the trash folder.

[Muzh]

Okay, so what you are looking for is a money-back guarantee.

[Misha]

t's still better to deal with girls who decided to find their love abroad. Immigration is not for everybody.

There are a lot of women willing to immigrate for love if they find the right man. My wife was one such women.

Certainly, if you're a 25-year-old handsome and athletic CEO, you'll have some success on Mamba. Or if you don't mind meeting a 40-year-old lady with 2 kids.

I wasn't 25, nor was I an athletic CEO. When I met my wife (5 years ago) she was 26 with no kids.

Think about Mamba as the opposite of Anastasia.
On Anastasia, a man receives a few letters a day from young and beautiful girls and one from an old and plain chick. The old chick actually wrote a sincere and good letter. But you didn't even read it.

Ah, so you prefer the fantasy that is Anastasia  But, you are correct. The women on mamba are representative of real Russian women. If they like you, they will write, if they don't they won't. Nobody is making any money if letters are sent, and nobody is losing any money if no letters at all are ever sent. However, IMHO, you can be guaranteed in most cases the woman who does write does so because there is some interest.

On Mamba, a wonderful lady receives hundreds of letters a day. One or two guys are good. A sincere letter from a foreigner goes into the trash folder.

Not quite true. If a woman is from a smaller city and is not at the very top of the listings, then she won't get hundreds of letters a day, even if she is attractive  But, as I keep saying, it is a numbers game. You must write many letters.

[Sia]

Congrats!!!

This particular example that deserves support and praise, but I would not recommend this site for many different reasons.So that happiness and behind the stove will-we all know, but the Russian Mamba is the same crap as Badoo

[Misha]

So that happiness and behind the stove will-we all know

What are you trying to say here?  ???

[Sia]

Russian proverb translated into your language means that happiness, then what is destined can meet you anywhere and at any time, even during get away the rubish

[Vincenzo]

Yeah, numbers.
You can find a girl on facebook, too. There is one for you among hundred million profiles for sure.
You can find her on mamba, but there are millions to sift through.
Mamba is a great backup source if you're in a city and you have nobody.

I don't like the idea of visiting 10 girls whom I hardly know, for which mamba is great. I prefer to be in a virtual relationship with only 1 lady and devote all my attention to her.

I wouldn't recommend anastasia, I would recommend Elena's website instead.
You pay a small fee that detracts the locals and the Arabs. Some girls submit IDs and get the verified status.
There are not many women, but they register now and then. If you send a letter and she doesn't answer, that indicates that she doesn't like you. It's fair and you just keep looking.

Actually, I've found a super girl there who is very similar to me. We immediately switched to emailing, skyping, smsing. She is 100% real. I enjoy every minute with her. Now I have to do everything to ensure that our relationship will work.

[Misha]

You have your preferences and that is fine, but I don't understand the need to say that mamba is not worthwhile when other people have used it successfully.

[Vincenzo]

You have your preferences and that is fine, but I don't understand the need to say that mamba is not worthwhile when other people have used it successfully.

I don't say it's useless.
If somebody has a lot of time and patience, it may work for him.

As you say, it's about numbers and filtering.
I would prefer to pay a fee to a website that filters girls who are looking for a guy like me.

Mamba doesn't filter. It's full of fake profiles, hookers' profiles, dead profiles, etc.
I even can't filter out the numerous girls from Moscow and Saint-Petersburg.
Also, when a good girl registers, her mailbox gets filled with garbage from one-night-standers, and she quickly deletes her profile. If good girls quit, who stays?

Finally, there are good websites for women and there are good websites for men.
Mamba is good for women. When a girl's profile has beautiful photos and clever description, she will get a lot of attention from good guys. But the same beautiful girl will get even more attention from foreign men if she registers and pays money on match.com.

[Misha]

I don't say it's useless.

But, you certainly implied that success is close to impossible, as you wrote: "A sincere letter from a foreigner goes into the trash folder."

Mamba is good for women. When a girl's profile has beautiful photos and clever description, she will get a lot of attention from good guys.

Actually, my wife noted that most of the letters that she received were not from good guys. If you are a decent fellow, you are likely to stand out of the crowd and get replies. TwoBitBandid is a case in point: he has no difficulty finding women willing to meet him. Also, a number of men has successfully married women they met on mamba. Yes, it takes some time and it takes some patience, but when you are looking for a woman worth spending the rest of your life, that time and effort is a wise investment  IMHO

[Vincenzo]

Bad guys are not a problem for me, good guys are.

For example, I've paid to Elena, but handsome and smart Russian guys don't want to pay - love is free.
It's bad for ladies because nice Russian gentlemen can't write to them. It's good for me because I have fewer competitors.

[Daveman]

First off Congrats on the marriage, Alex, and good luck with the new site.

Bad guys are not a problem for me, good guys are.

For example, I've paid to Elena, but handsome and smart Russian guys don't want to pay - love is free.
It's bad for ladies because nice Russian gentlemen can't write to them. It's good for me because I have fewer competitors.

Well, I'm not so sure competition matters all that much. If it did, I'd probably never get a date in the first place.  Besides, my guess is that most of the women at Elena's are at other sites as well, including Mamba.  And unless something is seriously wrong with them also have plenty of interest from local guys (and 'in' as well, if the right one comes along).  I think when you meet a lady who is actually right for you competition melts away and ceases to exist in her eyes.  If I could speak/write Russian at a decent level of competency, I'd have been all over Mamba.  I did mess with it a little and had a few decent exchanges, but nothing really panned out. Certainly that wasn't Mamba's fault, but rather I needed to play a much higher numbers gambit and follow-up hands. 

Yeah, Elenas weeds out from the get go those not open to moving abroad.  I met the lady in the avatar on Elenas (but, she was also on Mamba, as well as a few other foreign and local sites).  So, if competition were really a big deal in the big picture, why in the hell would she wind up with me when much younger and certainly studlier RM's were also chasing her?   I think part of it had to do with tranquilizer darts and Voo Doo love elixirs, but don't tell her.

[Misha]

Bad guys are not a problem for me, good guys are.

For example, I've paid to Elena, but handsome and smart Russian guys don't want to pay - love is free.
It's bad for ladies because nice Russian gentlemen can't write to them. It's good for me because I have fewer competitors.

You have fewer competitors but you have a much smaller pool as well. Dave is right. If a woman really wants to find a good husband, she will be in mamba and will be looking at all the single men in her surroundings. Elena does not keep the in a cave waiting for a foreigner after all :evil: If you fear competition in dating, the best option is celibacy 

[Vincenzo]

Well, that's a really beautiful lady in the avatar. And the gentleman looks like a rocket scientist in his glasses. I wouldn't hesitate if I were her.

I'm sure your lady had dated a few competitors from mamba or a local chat or a club.
But at some moment, she made a conscious decision to look for a foreign affair. Does she have a relative or friend in the West who's influenced her?

Most Russian girls have profiles on vk, too. But if good guys try to contact them, they will throw their requests into trash bins. Yes, with patience and determination these guys will get some results even on vk. However, the rate of rejection will be 99.99%, while on Elena it's only 50% if you're selective in your contacts.

[OlgaH]

What are you trying to say here?  ???

An original version of the proverb is "Счастье придет и на печи найдет!" (Happiness will come and find you even on the stove.)

Below is a picture of a Russian stove with a place to sleep.
The second picture is a greeting card by a Russian artists Elizaveta Byom (1843 – 1914) - a girl sitting on the stove and the proverb written in Russian.

As Sia said the proverb's meaning is if your destiny is to be happy, the happiness will come to you any time and will find you anywhere. So, it seams you should do nothing to be happy. But you know Russians in some way are very contradicting nation  So there are some other proverbs: под лежачий камень вода не течёт (under a still stone no water flows) and кто за счастье борется, тому оно и клонится ( happiness comes to a person who fights for it).

One more:  cчастье без ума что дырявая сума: где найдешь, там и сгубишь (happiness without thinking like a bag with a hole: you will ruin (or lose) your happiness in the same place where you find it) 

[Misha]

кто за счастье борется, тому оно и клонится ( happiness comes to a person who fights for it).

Thanks Olga, I am a believer in the need to be active to find happiness. And there is the other popular saying about those who take risks are invariably the ones who drink the champagne 

[Misha]

But at some moment, she made a conscious decision to look for a foreign affair. Does she have a relative or friend in the West who's influenced her?

A foreign affair? The thing is that some women simply are looking for a good husband and don't care where he comes from  :noidea:

However, the rate of rejection will be 99.99%, while on Elena it's only 50% if you're selective in your contacts.

You are quite the pessimist. A rejection rate of 99.99% would mean that only 1 in 10,000 women would be willing to entertain a foreigner as a friend. If you go to one of the many group dedicated to foreign languages or foreign countries, there will be plenty of single, young attractive women, and your success rate will be much, much higher. You have to use these sites properly if you are going to be successful. How does it go, bad carpenters blame their tools 

What do you mean by "selective in your contacts"? Do you mean choosing the women who you think will have garnered little or no interest from other men? You do seam to worry greatly about competition.

[OlgaH]

Thanks Olga, I am a believer in the need to be active to find happiness. And there is the other popular saying about those who take risks are invariably the ones who drink the champagne 

You are welcome, Misha. I also like a "risk-champagne" saying but in combination with the old proverb I posted "happiness without thinking like a bag with a hole...". Taking a risk you better to give it a thought first, otherwise you can get a glass of "pee" instead of champagne