Kiev in late December

[Elen]

Truth tell I didn't hear about 200 females per 20 males ( and about girls having no place to sit at a table)
 Though for me personal it's the same as to have 5 girls per one males - the idea is the same - little SOCIAL

[Elen]

BTW How do you "celect" girls for such "parties" - Is there some sort of "competition"?

[Jack]

Elen the ladies who attend our parties have to be invited by the men. Each man can invite only five ladies to any one party. These ladies can come from newspaper ads the man has ran, or internet ads, or from the many local agencies we work with or they can buy these ladies addresses from any source such as AFA or Angelica for example and we will contact the ladies. I work closely with each of these guys for two and three months before each of our group tours and so have a pretty good idea as to which agencies and sites they are working with. When I see a man dealing with a questionable agency or site I advise him of such, as well if we think a man is writing to a scam or suspect woman we will also advise him of such. We ask the men to give us a list of ten ladies they would like to meet at the party, numbering their first choice, second choice, third choice all the way through ten and we call or telegram each of these ladies starting with his number one choice and working our way down the list until we get five ladies who say "yes, they would like to attend the party". Often we will contact a lady who says she has no interest in attending such a social, she has heard about these socials and then our people will explain to her we do not have such socials as she has heard about and explain our parties and that their will be five ladies to every man. So unlike you Elen, the ladies who attend our parties have no problem with that. 

[Elen]

Yes it seems your girls have no problems with that - though here it is called "girls without complexes"

[Jack]

oh no Elen, their not my girls, these are your girls from Moscow, from St. Petersburg, Tver, Ivanono, Volgograd who you consider without complexes. Although I will make note I disagree with your terminology.

[Elen]

No it's only 20 % of MY girls among "Moscow" there you said that by yourself and it YOUR males who choose from all others those girls without complexes
What's wrong with my terminalogy - they are called right that here

[Jack]

Yes, only 20% of your Moscow born and raised girls attending the Moscow party by request of the men going , but 100% of your girls from St. Petersburg, Tver, Ivanono, Volgograd and Arkhanglesk.
 
My disagreement with your terminology is the way and manner in which you are using the wording "girls without complexes". In my opinion you are trying to reflect a negative aspect to these women that I do not agree with.
 

[Elen]

Why negative? In your business to have no conplexes and therefore to have no problems with visiting such parties is right positive thing. ( though opposite rules and norms are applied for those who are dating in reality)

PS Wonder why I always have been called arrogant Muscovite when I told the same thing - there were little girls born in Moscow among those who called themselves Muscovites and were involved in dating business through agencies?

[Jack]

Why negative?
 
I don't know why you present it in a negative light. Your the best person to answer "why negative".
 
In your business to have no conplexes and therefore to have no problems with visiting such parties is right positive thing.
 
Elen, I wish we had no problems in our business and such parties were always portrayed in the most of positive manners but that's not so. Their are those individuals who like to portray our parties, not the large socials which I can understand the negativity coming from, but their are those who like to portray our smaller parties, even after all the means and measures we go through to make sure the parties are held in a respectful and dignified manner, in a negative light.

PS Wonder why I always have been called arrogant Muscovite when I told the same thing - there were little girls born in Moscow among those who called themselves Muscovites and were involved in dating business through agencies?
 
I don't know Elen. I have often wondered the same thing myself.

[Elen]

I mean that another rules are applied to your business - so what's "white" for you is "black" for all others who are not involved in this. So you should not wonder to "nigative" light I see that stuff.

[Jack]

Yes, I agree Elen.

Now it's after 4am in Moscow, it's time for you to go to sleep, yes?

[Kevin]

Jack
 Was that Market in Kiev or Kyiv?  :dude:

The thing I like about Jacks party is no street girls walking  in.   Every Men or Lady is invited and there is someone at  the party to vouch for each person. No unkown strangers in the corners  with her "friend" outside.   If you have  a question about  a lady ask the ladies host. Question about a men talk to Jack.

Kevin

[Turboguy]

As far as Jack's description of a social I have to say it is pretty good.  I have made three trips with EC when they were still doing them so I attended perhaps 15 socials or so and there are a lot of gals who ride the train all night and some don't talk to anyone.   I have not heard too many women say they like them.  The only thing I would disagree on is the interpreters intrest in the men.  I used 4 interpreters in the socials.   Two were married, one was engaged and I don't remember the status of the other but she was not man hunting.  I don't doubt they are not paid but I think the idea is they will make money off the guy when he has to pay during dinner etc.  It is a small point of disagreement and I am not saying this is an important point.

I have never attended any of Jack's parties.  I did think pretty hard about one around the end of the year and I think if I did another, I would look hard at Jack's just to see if it worked any better.

There are two parts of Jack's program that I can't quite get settled in my head, and it is almost 2 am so my chances of expaining this clearly are not real good.  I am heading to bed after this.  Let me try though.   Ok, now lets say I invite 5 gals to Jack's party.  Let's say the party is in Kiev and one gal takes the all night train from Nikolaev to attend and there I am sitting with 4 other gals I invited.  Is that any better?   Second thing.   Ok, I scour the web for months and have 5 good cantidates for my future.  Do I really want to expose them to 11 other guys who are hunting as hard as I am?   I think it probably works smoother and better than I picuture but I do worry about those two things a bit.

[Elen]

15!!! socials
Wonder that you are still alive and no wonder that you are still in searching

[Elen]

BTW I have doubts that each males could be able to invite 5 girls who would agree to meet him in no other place but such "parties" ( call them like you want but it does not change their "idea" - a "fight" of N girls for one male) Or may be I give too much credit to "proud" of girls involved in this process and they really have no "complexes"

[Turboguy]

It is now 4 am.  I drank so much coffee staying awake till 2, I woke back up at 4.  Heck Elen, look at how busy the disco's are.  Maybe the gals there are party animals and never turn down a good party.   You know Elen, You have better behave or Jack won't invite you to his parties. 

Now with me, the question won't be if I decide to ever go to one of Jacks parties, by the time I am done, it will be if Jack will even allow me in the country when his parties are going on.

Yes, Elen, I survived 15 socials.  I have to admit after the first two trips with socials, I gave up on Russian women for over a year.   I made one more trip with socials and decided to just give up socials and not Russian women. 

[Jack]

Turbo my friend, as I shake my head, let me address your questions.
 
 
Let's say the party is in Kiev and one gal takes the all night train from Nikolaev to attend and there I am sitting with 4 other gals I invited.  Is that any better?   Second thing.   Ok, I scour the web for months and have 5 good cantidates for my future.  Do I really want to expose them to 11 other guys who are hunting as hard as I am? 
 
 
First of all we would never allow a man to invite a lady from Nikolaev to Kiev just to attend a party, won't happen, too disrespectful to the woman. Any time a guy brings a lady in from such a distance as this we ask him to commit at least two days to this lady. From Sumy or Vinnitsa, because they are closer, we would ask you to commit at least one day, more of course if you would like, but at least one full day. The lady from Nikolaev we would invite to either the Kherson or Odessa party and we often, or maybe I should say always, have ladies from Nikolaev who attend our Kherson and Odessa parties.
 
Turbo, you would never be sitting with at the same time the five ladies you invited to the party. I think you must not have a very good understanding of how we do our parties. No way would be put the five ladies you invited at the same table, for you to meet at the same time. They would all be sitting at different tables, you are visiting and meeting ALL the ladies invited to the party Turbo, not just your five ladies. You are meeting the five ladies that Bob invited and the five ladies that Steve invited and none of those guys will have the five ladies they invited all sitting at the same table together either. You guys move from table to table. At table two you meet one of the five ladies you invited with the lady that Joe invited and the lady that Adam invited, etc. At table four you meet one of the other ladies you invited. At table seven their are none of the ladies you invited but you sure like Tatiana, a lady that Robert invited and it appears Tatiana also has interest in you. During the last two hours of the party you, or your interpreter, talks with Tatiana, get's her phone number and set up a time for a meeting the next day or the day after. Most guys will always meet two or three ladies they have interest in from every party who were not part of the original five ladies they invited.
 
 
Your second question regarding these ladies you have scoured the web for, these ladies you meet thru your newspaper ads, internet ads, buying addresses from other agencies and who have received your letter of introduction, ladies who interest you who have seen your profile from some of the agencies we work with, the ladies you have been writing to for two months, and your asking if you invite these ladies to the party? Of course NOT! These are the ladies you have private meetings with. In every city our guys have many private meetings, this is what we work for two and three months before every trip, developing these ladies of interest. Turbo, the actual parties are half the trip, the many private meetings that all the guys have, meeting with ladies NOT from the parties are the second half of the trip. The many private meetings that you guys have that we work for are just as important if not more so than the parties.
 

[Turboguy]

Good explaination Jack.  Thanks for the clarification.