Rubicon's Delve Into the Ugly Past . . .

[Rubicon]

Sorry Rubicon, BUT...you are in the land of BALL BUSTERS!
 
You ain't going to catch a break here capt'n. 
 
 
GOB

Yes I realize that GOB.  First Faux Pas tries to constantly lecture me about Ukrainian marriage agencies and than he claims to have no knowledge of them.  Some guys here have nothing better to do than split hairs over much to do about nothing!!  Even though you and I keep getting warnings we sometimes seem to be the only ones with some common sense!

[GoodOlBoy]

Even though you and I keep getting warnings we sometimes seem to be the only ones with some common sense!

Believe me when I say this Rubicon.....DON'T tie your wagon to mine.
 
It would be a BIG mistake! 

FWIW, I don't see you as a bad guy Rubicon.

You stated this earlier in this thread:

Faux Pas,

You simply do not read very well. I have made a trip.  I do have direct face time with ladies. 

If GOB may make a polite suggestion Rubicon.
Post a TR about your adventures in the FSU.
It will give you more "credability" with the old timers here (and maybe help out a Newbie? ).
And if you did post one somewhere here on RWD, sorry, but I can't find it.



Another thing, Dan "suggested" upthread that you should contact an RWD member by the name of BRUCE and inquire into his opinion about the Mordinson Agency.

As for direct experience, I suggest you send a PM to RWD member 'Bruce.' .......BTW - I am pretty sure you will find Bruce's direct experience with Mordinson less than stellar - but you be the judge.

You may want to do this (if you haven't already). Dan doesn't send people on wild goose chases. Chances are there maybe something about this company that you need to hear about from Bruce and "weigh" in your future decision making.
 
GOB



BTW....I took a particular interest in your postings because several days ago on another thread you mentioned something about living with an FSUW for 6 months before you would ever think about marriage, IIRC?

The reason GOB became interested in you, was that I came up with this same "theory" over 7 years ago after reading the experiences posted on the old RWG forum.

I pretty much thought the same thing as you (I think), so I closed up shop and stayed with Marina for 3 straight months in Russia (Omsk).

It was an adventure I will NEVER forget, BUT by no means Rubicon consider extra face time as a solve all solution for this entire process.

It isn't!

[Gator]

Also look at "acceptable" age gaps for 20 something year old women on Aweb.  you will see 21 year old women who claim they are willing to date and/or marry men up to 80 years old, even 90 years old.  Give me a break, Pleeeeaaazzze!!

Yes, and that is very telling.  AWeb and HRB are targeting the senior citizen's lunch money.
 
Thus, almost any agency compared to AWeb and HRB will look good.  Any RWD member compared to Muddy will seem highly intelligent.   
 
You mention that you have taken a trip, yet you do not reveal such in your profile.  That would have helped to avoid wrong impressions.   
 
If you have taken a trip before, why do you need a full service agency such as Mordison?  Some men do rely heavily on such agencies.  I found it more interesting to travel without agency help.  The FSUW realized such and were very helpful.

[Bruce]

One thing about the FSU is that things can rapidly change.   I have been married just about 7 years now and met my wife over 8 years ago.  I really liked to use what I believed were full service agencies way back when.  Bottom line is that if I were searching for a girl in Ukraine I would not use Mordinson's.   I believe there are a high percentage of agencies who post extremely good looking woman who are not at all interested in marrying an American man.   Call them bait if you will.   Many agencies also do not know their girls well enough or at all.   Enough said about low quality agencies you are better off not wasting your hard earned money on.
 
Jack is an American you can call in Texas.   Jack has many American men who met their wives through Jack, his approach or contacts.   Jack is definitely a guy every American man should give a call to and listen to prior to making the plunge to visit the FSU.   
 
Are there quality full service agencies in the FSU these days?   Probably there are but a few, but only guys like Jack have their fingers on the pulse of the dating industry in the FSU these days who can help you diferentiate the wheat from the chaff.
 
Best of luck to all.   Do not give up and spend time over in the FSU.   Once your learning curve reaches a certain point then you can flourish over there.   You have to be careful because cultural differences are the main thing to get over in my opinion.

[Rubicon]

Yes, and that is very telling.  AWeb and HRB are targeting the senior citizen's lunch money.
 
Thus, almost any agency compared to AWeb and HRB will look good.  Any RWD member compared to Muddy will seem highly intelligent.   
 
You mention that you have taken a trip, yet you do not reveal such in your profile.  That would have helped to avoid wrong impressions.   
 
If you have taken a trip before, why do you need a full service agency such as Mordison?  Some men do rely heavily on such agencies.  I found it more interesting to travel without agency help.  The FSUW realized such and were very helpful.

I have been over there twice.  once years ago as a tourist to Moscow sights and history and once recently.  I did not feel the need to make a TR.  I like the idea of Mordinson because you can meet so many women for just one package price.  you can write to five, meet all of them, and than meet another five or ten.

[Gator]

Rubicon,  I am not trying to bust your balls.  Why do you believe that Mordison justifies a  price more than twice that of Cindy's in Dneperopetrovsk for what I would assume is a comparable service?
 
MORDISON'S COSTS

$2,250 Lump Sum (one month of correspondence + apartment, meetings and translation for 7 days)

CINDY AGENCY'S COSTS

Apartment  (6 nights at $70/night)                                                    $420
Letter Writing  (5 women x 5 letters x $5 + 10 other letters)              125
Meeting with 5 UW (free because of letter writing)                                0
Meeting with additional women (6 x$25)                                           150
Translator (7 days x 4.5 hr/day x $10/hr)                                           315
Meeting at Train Station (2 at $20)                                                     40

                                                                                 Total           $1,050

[Rubicon]

Rubicon,  I am not trying to bust your balls.  Why do you believe that Mordison justifies a  price more than twice that of Cindy's in Dneperopetrovsk for what I would assume is a comparable service?
 
MORDISON'S COSTS

$2,250 Lump Sum (one month of correspondence + apartment, meetings and translation for 7 days)

CINDY AGENCY'S COSTS

Apartment  (6 nights at $70/night)                                                    $420
Letter Writing  (5 women x 5 letters x $5 + 10 other letters)              125
Meeting with 5 UW (free because of letter writing)                                0
Meeting with additional women (6 x$25)                                           150
Translator (7 days x 4.5 hr/day x $10/hr)                                           315
Meeting at Train Station (2 at $20)                                                     40

                                                                                 Total           $1,050

Those are great prices.  But it is not the price so much as the woman or women.  If I could find women I want to meet at Cindy's than I will certainly consider it!!
Have you used them??  I will check it out.  Thanks for the tip!!

Also, please remember that my original comparison was AWEB/HRB versus Kiev Connections and Mordinson.  Certainly does not mean that I or others should not consider other excellent agencies instead of Aweb.

[BC]

Rubicon,

When was the last time you had a date?  Ya know, pull in the gut, push out the chest and an invite to dinner line...

My first FIL was a state trooper, walked into the dispatch room to the woman he was dreaming about and asked her to marry.. they did and stayed that way till the day death parted them.

It happens everyday.. and you?.. the need to go east is a mere distraction me thinks.

[Rubicon]

Rubicon,

When was the last time you had a date?  Ya know, pull in the gut, push out the chest and an invite to dinner line...

My first FIL was a state trooper, walked into the dispatch room to the woman he was dreaming about and asked her to marry.. they did and stayed that way till the day death parted them.

It happens everyday.. and you?.. the need to go east is a mere distraction me thinks.

It's not my only distraction.  I also look locally.  However I may very well move to Ukraine for a bit and see how I can do when living there.

[BC]

It's not my only distraction.  I also look locally.  However I may very well move to Ukraine for a bit and see how I can do when living there.

Now that's something newsworthy.. let us know when you're settled in.

[Shadow]

I like the idea of Mordinson because you can meet so many women for just one package price.  you can write to five, meet all of them, and than meet another five or ten.

Quality over quantity I would say....
Unless you are challenged at decision making I see no reason why you really would need to meet five women and then another five or ten.
This of course unless you wish to shop like the 80-years old guys at Anastasia. 

[JohnDearGreen]

-  He took his date to KFC.
KFC!!!   WTF!   Now that  I know that, forget everything that I wrote above.  Throw Jack under the bus.  Who in their right mind would go to KFC?! 

I had one date that was such a stick-in-the-mud I steered her to lunch at MakSmak....small Pepsi and pizza (by the slice).



OTOH, one such as Ms.T was rewarded for pleasant entertaining companionship with dinner at the Hotel Ukraine....lobster and wine in the restaurant near the top:

[Gator]

I had one date that was such a stick-in-the-mud I steered her to lunch at MakSmak....small Pepsi and pizza (by the slice).

Been there, done that, but not so low as a MakSmak.

OTOH, one such as Ms.T was rewarded for pleasant entertaining companionship with dinner at the Hotel Ukraine....lobster and wine in the restaurant near the top:

She deserved the best, of course.

[Gator]

Those are great prices.  But it is not the price so much as the woman or women.  If I could find women I want to meet at Cindy's than I will certainly consider it!!
Have you used them??

Yes, in September 2006.  My only time ever to use a full-service agency.  I recommend Cindy's if a man wants a full-service agency. 
 
Personally, meeting women via full-service agencies reminded me of a released bird hunt.  I much prefer making all arrangements, including deciding via telephone whether a woman and I are a possible match.  Such necessitates that she speak some English, thus eliminating from consideration over half of the pool of FSUW.

[I/O]

Such necessitates that she speak some English, thus eliminating from consideration over half of the pool of FSUW.

Given the entire pool might be around 100 million and you need to knock that down to 1, kicking 50 million aside because they can't speak to you doesn't seem such a bad option to me.

[Rubicon]

Quality over quantity I would say....
Unless you are challenged at decision making I see no reason why you really would need to meet five women and then another five or ten.
This of course unless you wish to shop like the 80-years old guys at Anastasia. 

Before choosing a flavor of ice cream to purchase I like to sample a more than a few and see how I really like them. 

[ML]

I virtually always order vanilla.
Most places you really can't sample.
And even if you could sample, a small sample doesn't tell much.
However, there recently opened a Chinese "all you can eat" Buffet in my area.
Surprisingly, they have an ice cream chest.  In this chest are 10-12  5 gallon containers of various flavors of ice cream and you just help yourself.  So you really can sample as much as you want.  I don't think this is a very sanitary arrangement and suspect the health dept will close it down at some point.
I still prefer vanilla, especially when topped onto some pie or cake.
But I have found a few flavors that are pretty good as stand alones.

How does this relate to FSUW?
Don't know except maybe the more opportunity for meaningful sampling, the more sampling will actually occur.

Those who complain about sampling are probably  those who didn't have a real opportunity or the ability to do it in a meaningful manner.

[ML]

MORDISON'S COSTS

$2,250 Lump Sum (one month of correspondence + apartment, meetings and translation for 7 days)

CINDY AGENCY'S COSTS

Apartment  (6 nights at $70/night)                                                    $420
Letter Writing  (5 women x 5 letters x $5 + 10 other letters)              125
Meeting with 5 UW (free because of letter writing)                                0
Meeting with additional women (6 x$25)                                           150
Translator (7 days x 4.5 hr/day x $10/hr)                                           315
Meeting at Train Station (2 at $20)                                                     40

                                                                                 Total           $1,050

For me:


Apartment  (6 nights at $70/night)                                         $420
5-6 Monthly memberships at about $25  (one month only)           150
Meeting at Train Station (2 at $20)                                            40

Total                                                                                             $610

No meetings where interpreter would be needed.
                     

[Muzh]

Before choosing a flavor of ice cream to purchase I like to sample a more than a few and see how I really like them.

You mean, who screws the best?

[ML]

You mean, who screws the best?

This is important, but maybe not the most important.
This is because screwing can only take up so many hours of the day.
The bulk of the time together is not screwing, but rather just being together.
So intelligence, humor, good personality,  good cooking, common interests, etc., come to the top.

Plus, good screwing can be taught/learned in most cases (but certainly not all cases if the woman/man isn't really interested.)

But intelligence, humor, personality, general compatibility cannot be taught/learned.

And it really takes a long time together before you can really be sure of these latter qualities.  Some people can put on a good front/face for some very lengthy time periods before the true self emerges.  Plus, if there is very good sex from the very beginning, it can cloud the issue even more and lengthen the period before you start to notice the real person.

But one should never use this as an excuse to delay intimacy!!   

[Rubicon]

This is important, but maybe not the most important.
This is because screwing can only take up so many hours of the day.
The bulk of the time together is not screwing, but rather just being together.
So intelligence, humor, good personality,  good cooking, common interests, etc., come to the top.

Plus, good screwing can be taught/learned in most cases (but certainly not all cases if the woman/man isn't really interested.)

But intelligence, humor, personality, general compatibility cannot be taught/learned.

And it really takes a long time together before you can really be sure of these latter qualities.  Some people can put on a good front/face for some very lengthy time periods before the true self emerges.  Plus, if there is very good sex from the very beginning, it can cloud the issue even more and lengthen the period before you start to notice the real person.

But one should never use this as an excuse to delay intimacy!!   

very good points ManLooking.  I once had a girlfriend who was hedonistic and great in bed but was a stick in the mud otherwise.  It's just not worth it to stay with a person like that.  Ideally we find a partner who is a really good friend if not a best friend who we enjoy conversing with and spending time with.  The romantic evenings are the icing on the cake.

[Rubicon]

You mean, who screws the best?

No, it's got to be the package deal.  Honesty Intelligence Romance Passion Sense of Humor Fitness; the whole ball of wax.

[Muzh]

No, it's got to be the package deal.  Honesty Intelligence Romance Passion Sense of Humor Fitness; the whole ball of wax.

Well, that sounds a little bit different than "sampling a few" to see if they meat your taste.