"Why don't you just date an American woman?"

[erikmagenta]

Men who feel threatened by women will place a different value on women than men who are not threatened by women.
Men who do not have daughters might have problems to understand women's importance in society and their freedom for their own pursuit of happiness.
This doesn't mean women want to replace or undervalue men either.
Let us as men make ourselves worthy of high values and truly respect and value our women for who they are as individuals and not stereotypes.

Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women?? 


 


Whether a man is more traditional or more modern, either way both men admire and respect women, in their own individual ways.

Just as we should not and cannot try to prevent women from being in the workforce and being successful, of which there are huge numbers of successful career women or women who own their business,

We should not and cannot try to prevent women who wish to have a traditional family from doing so.  So called elite feminists have been trying to badmouth mothers and homemakers for decades now.  Just recently the Obama campaign tried to badmout Mrs. Romney because she was a stay at home Mom and not a career woman, and it totally backfired on them.

The great thing about the West and the USA is we can value a woman for whatever her choice may be.  Mothers who want to stay at home and let the man work, if that is their choice, should be just as highly valued and respected as women who want to go to University and pursue a career.  It's called liberty.

[Faux Pas]

Men who feel threatened by women will place a different value on women than men who are not threatened by women.
Men who do not have daughters might have problems to understand women's importance in society and their freedom for their own pursuit of happiness.
This doesn't mean women want to replace or undervalue men either.
Let us as men make ourselves worthy of high values and truly respect and value our women for who they are as individuals and not stereotypes.

Excellent post Gylden.

[Anotherkiwi]

Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women?? 


 


Whether a man is more traditional or more modern, either way both men admire and respect women, in their own individual ways.

Just as we should not and cannot try to prevent women from being in the workforce and being successful, of which there are huge numbers of successful career women or women who own their business,

We should not and cannot try to prevent women who wish to have a traditional family from doing so.  So called elite feminists have been trying to badmouth mothers and homemakers for decades now.  Just recently the Obama campaign tried to badmout Mrs. Romney because she was a stay at home Mom and not a career woman, and it totally backfired on them.

The great thing about the West and the USA is we can value a woman for whatever her choice may be.  Mothers who want to stay at home and let the man work, if that is their choice, should be just as highly valued and respected as women who want to go to University and pursue a career.  It's called liberty.

For crying out loud, erik, what's wrong with you? 
 
This post is totally sensible and everyone will agree with you! 
 
Now can you please fix up your other 250 posts...

[BC]

3rd world countries have higher birth rates, probably because of more clearly defined male and female roles.  Are you, like "elite" "feminists", critisizing women in the USA who willingly choose to stay home and be traditional mothers and wives??  Germany and Russia have declining birthrates.  These countries will not be able to pay for pensions and benefits of future retired generations, if they continue to have declining birthrates.  In the case of Russia it could become extremely dangerous as they have 1 Billion hungry Chinese people at their South East border.

This is not to suggest that a woman cannot be fulfilled and work at a career of her choice after raising the children to a certain age where they can go out on their own.  There is something very positive to say about traditional roles, and you should not discount those roles without acknowledging the benefits--both to the immediate family, and to society as a whole.

OMG...  Have you not heard of the 'pill'?

[IAmZon]

Well, there is no interest to discuss the changes that have occured in the last 20 years in gender in the USA. Or, even an interest to notice ongoing trends, and how they are affecting, will affect society.  The only comments given suggest that this is a one dimensional story - their side versus our side.  I see gender roles first as a human, second as a man.  There are many very popular books on the subject that are worthy reads. 

( There is continued interest with the most active posters to show that every breath I take and idea I generate exists only to get into some woman's pants that I do not deserve. It has become a past time ).

And, one point on the courageous one ... this assumption that if you live in Colombia, then magically any gringo can date any woman is 100% false.  I have noted numerous times that if you want to attract non-compromised women, educated, and from good families, most Americanos must up their game BIG TIME.

[Muzh]

Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women?? 


 

Do you have a mirror at home?

[Muzh]

And, one point on the courageous one ... this assumption that if you live in Colombia, then magically any gringo can date any woman is 100% false.  I have noted numerous times that if you want to attract non-compromised women, educated, and from good families, most Americanos must up their game BIG TIME.

Let's say that I'm taking a wild guess here since I've never been to Latin America but, IF you are in the porn industry, regardless of what capacity you are in, you will NOT attract any of the ladies mentioned above.

Again, just a wild guess.

Puertorriqueño since 1954.

[BC]

Puertorriqueño since 1954.

Aguadilla 68-71

[Muzh]

Aguadilla 68-71

Shit, I went to the base in Aguadilla in 70, 71, and 72 to play basketball and volleyball for my school. Great place. I believe one of the few golf courses at that time in PR was there.

BTW, my great grandfather owned most of that. And then the Americans came in (in Aguadilla) and did "land reform." Ever heard of a little town not far from there called Las Marias? My great grand mother Angelique Marie) and grand mother (Maria Angelica).

[BC]

Shit, I went to the base in Aguadilla in 70, 71, and 72 to play basketball and volleyball for my school. Great place. I believe one of the few golf courses at that time in PR was there.

Yeah, the golf course was right off the end of the runway.  To get to the base we had to cross the runway.. there was a stoplight when the B52's were landing.  When they took off school sort of stopped since they made so much noise.

Lots of good memories there, loved the seafood, mostly red snapper and turtle soup..  and the blowholes and phosphorescent bay.  Wonderful time swimming and observing all kinds of sea critters.  I used to spend a good amount of time climbing the huge mango tree across the street (my parents insisted we lived off base -  a practice I fully agree with).  We were in Panama before so Spanish was my third language.

Wonderful experience I will never forget.

Is indeed a small world....

[BC]

We were in Panama before so Spanish was my third language.

oops... 4th language... I did not count English in-between... LOL

[Muzh]

Yeah, the golf course was right off the end of the runway.  To get to the base we had to cross the runway.. there was a stoplight when the B52's were landing.  When they took off school sort of stopped since they made so much noise.

Lots of good memories there, loved the seafood, mostly red snapper and turtle soup..  and the blowholes and phosphorescent bay.  Wonderful time swimming and observing all kinds of sea critters.  I used to spend a good amount of time climbing the huge mango tree across the street (my parents insisted we lived off base -  a practice I fully agree with).  We were in Panama before so Spanish was my third language.

Wonderful experience I will never forget.

Is indeed a small world....

Turtle soup.

<Psst. There's a little place I know where you can get turtle soup.>

Ah yes, the phosphorescent bay. I went to Cabo Rojo last week to disperse my mom's ashes in the Caribbean. That night I took the family to the phosphorescent bay. Kind of sad. Not as vibrant as it was in the early 70s. I remember you could see a streak of light after the path of a swimmer. Not anymore. Still, beautiful as ever.

Just to clarify, I used to travel to Aguadilla to play the gringos from the base school. That was my favorite trip.

And since you mentioned the runway, same exact set up in Roosevelt Roads. The thing is that there are no gates or warning signs that you are crossing the runway. Never seen a B-52 landing up close? Not my cup of tea. Nor it was for the MPs. 

The pics are from a few years ago.

[alyosha]

Who are these guys who feel "threatened" by women?? 


 


Whether a man is more traditional or more modern, either way both men admire and respect women, in their own individual ways.

Just as we should not and cannot try to prevent women from being in the workforce and being successful, of which there are huge numbers of successful career women or women who own their business,

We should not and cannot try to prevent women who wish to have a traditional family from doing so.  So called elite feminists have been trying to badmouth mothers and homemakers for decades now.  Just recently the Obama campaign tried to badmout Mrs. Romney because she was a stay at home Mom and not a career woman, and it totally backfired on them.

The great thing about the West and the USA is we can value a woman for whatever her choice may be.  Mothers who want to stay at home and let the man work, if that is their choice, should be just as highly valued and respected as women who want to go to University and pursue a career.  It's called liberty.

Gee fella, I feel threatened by men, let alone by women.  :-()

[IAmZon]

Let's say that I'm taking a wild guess here since I've never been to Latin America but, IF you are in the porn industry, regardless of what capacity you are in, you will NOT attract any of the ladies mentioned above.

Again, just a wild guess.

It is a homogeneous group here - like a church / support group.  First, you presume that my associations to the porn industry paint my life, as if one would spot me, or have diner with me ... and say "hey, you are in the porn industry".   Ludicrous!   What kind of skill set  must a person possess to negotiate with banks to accept high risk paper / processing?  Not what you are guessing - I GUESS

And, it may be very interesting to you narrow-minded fellas, that even "good girls" - when they see that I can win the approval of difficult parents and brothers quite often are TURNED ON - NOT OFF - by my professional associations. 

But, I imagine that is a world that none of you good people know anything about.   The idea of being "good in bed" is something you guys probably need to "psych your self up for"  LOL  I mean, based upon your comments and observations, it is a little world that you live in .  I find that many women want to be with a man that does not have to guess, and has some rather exceptional experiences. 

[missAmeno]

It is a homogeneous group here - like a church / support group.  First, you presume that my associations to the porn industry paint my life, as if one would spot me, or have diner with me ... and say "hey, you are in the porn industry".   Ludicrous!   What kind of skill set  must a person possess to negotiate with banks to accept high risk paper / processing?  Not what you are guessing - I GUESS

And, it may be very interesting to you narrow-minded fellas, that even "good girls" - when they see that I can win the approval of difficult parents and brothers quite often are TURNED ON - NOT OFF - by my professional associations. 

But, I imagine that is a world that none of you good people know anything about.   The idea of being "good in bed" is something you guys probably need to "psych your self up for"  LOL  I mean, based upon your comments and observations, it is a little world that you live in .  I find that many women want to be with a man that does not have to guess, and has some rather exceptional experiences. 

Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time

[Faux Pas]

Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time

He is trying so hard to isn't he? 

[alyosha]

Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time

"Greater love hath no man but that he lay down his life for his friends"

"I can't make my wife understand the bond that I feel with these men."

 WWII vet attending his units reunion.
   

[IAmZon]

"Haha, its getting more ridiculous every time"

Thus, the definition of a homogeneous group.  (More like a church/ support group in this case).  The membership reaffirms its views and opinions on each other to create more concrete opinions and the comfort that comes from living with a flock (birds of a feather flock together)

There are several other discussion boards that are VERY active with LARGE memberships that I keep an eye on.  SOME of the members here, are also members on those boards.  (but they are smart enough to keep their mouths shut HAHAHA) 

One board is for guys that want to LIVE abroad, primarily.  (not overly concerned about women)
One board  is for guys that want to PLAY abroad, primarily. (definitely overly concerned about women)
One board is for guys that want to PICK UP women specifically WITHOUT paying (romance only, probably not marriage).
And, this board ...

All these boards have knowledgeable people and good, hard to find information.  I have always noticed that the topics overlap. I have always noticed that the most active members on each board are intolerant of others views when they deviate ever so slightly from the main themes and norms of the board.

IMO - I am a Libertarian . Many of you are not -  LOL
 

[missAmeno]

There are several other discussion boards that are VERY active with LARGE memberships that I keep an eye on.  SOME of the members here, are also members on those boards.  (but they are smart enough to keep their mouths shut HAHAHA) 

One board is for guys that want to LIVE abroad, primarily.  (not overly concerned about women)
One board  is for guys that want to PLAY abroad, primarily. (definitely overly concerned about women)
One board is for guys that want to PICK UP women specifically WITHOUT paying (romance only, probably not marriage).
And, this board ...

Curious ... why you keeping an eye on all those boards? What that says about you? And is your interest in them personal or job related?   

[Jooky]

This is mostly for Rivardco, but also I have comments on other things I read on related threads killing time today.

First, where I'm coming from (for those that don't know). First trip to Russia in 2001. Returned around 4 years later to visit Russian friends I met in San Francisco and have spent about 1/4 or more of my time in Russia since, mostly for business reasons.

Value: I don't normally think about social value, but I'll go with the concept. In Russia, dating cool, attractive, intelligent, educated women was like shooting fish in a barrel. Not because of the social value of men, but because my social value was higher than typical Russian men. What set me apart?

- The foreign factor. Foreigners are interesting and being a foreigner gets you an easy 'foot in the door' with a lot of women. This has worked in my favor over the years in Europe and Australia (mostly back in the days when the US was liked by the rest of the world) as well.

- Money. Foreigner = you've got money (even if you don't). There are always a good number of women anywhere that attracted to men with money (real or perceived). It's not always just about the money, but the fact that you are a man that can make money (ambitious, hard worker, what have you) that is attractive. It can be that a woman just wants a man with a good stable job (non loser) and a foreigner in Russia automatically checks that box, while many Russian men don't. Sometimes it is just about the money, but in all these years I managed to avoid those type of girls.

- Personal qualities. Many of my personal qualities were appreciated in Russia . Some because they made me stand out from the crowd and some that I found were more 'valued' in Russia than back where I live in the USA. Really this is very individual. Some foreigners do much better in Russia than others and despite my first two points above agencies these days need to entice and beg pretty women to actually actively seek foreign men through an agency.

Protection: The idea of a man as protection for a woman, in Russia, I find absurd. Women of all ages in Russia are accustomed to go around town unescorted by men, all the time. Men aren't needed for protection.
Definitely there are women who like to grab onto a man's arm or hand and it makes them feel 'safe' and comfortable. This has been the same for me in the US as in Russia, even with women who were only friends. Maybe I'm just very touchable. 

Bringing home the Bacon: I partially agree that a man with a good stable job is more appreciated in Russia than most parts of the US. Stability is good in an unstable economy. However, you need to consider a few things. Women in Russia typically work (I haven't met a single full 'stay at home mom' in Russia. I know many in the US). Young women live with their families or with roomies (like just about everywhere else in the modern world) when not married. Women do not rely on men to bring home the bacon. That wasn't a commie tradition and it's not part of Russian culture now. Men do usually foot the bill on dates and often lavish their women with expensive gifts when dating, but that's something entirely different and gives a higher social value not to men but to men with money.

American women smart American men boobs: You kidding? That's been the standard comedy tv formula since the Honeymooners and often used device since before Shakespeare. If anything there are a lot more women 'boobs' (in both senses) on tv and in movies (did you see the movie Bridesmaids?) then 20 years ago.
This doesn't spill over too much into modern dramas or reality shows (where practically everyone is a 'boob'), though clever women manipulating clueless men has been a common theme in drama and reality since words were first carved in clay.

Obesity: Definitely bigger in the US than Russia. It's got a lot to do with Golden Corral's endless cotton candy and chocolate waterfall and nothing to do with PC feminazis. Matter of fact there are a lot less fat-assess in my ultra-knee-jerk-liberal hometown of San Francisco than you'll find in the traditional Bible Belt.

Gender Roles: This I agree with. Russia retains 'traditional' gender roles, more than the US. Women more typically do the cooking and cleaning. Men work on the house, the car and the bottle of vodka. That's about it. The saying that the woman is 'the neck that turns the head' often rings true.

Girl's Night Out: If this bugs you, avoid Russia. Girl's night out is more common in Russia than even the US. It's why the discos are so full of chicks (the men are having their men's night out at some bar somewhere else and show up late to the discos).

That's some of my observations and thought. Hope they help you get a better perspective on what's up with Russia (or the FSU). I've got more but I'm tired of writing. 
 
 
 

[IAmZon]

Ms A "Curious ... why you keeping an eye on all those boards? What that says about you? And is your interest in them personal or job related"

EXACTLY - thank you for demonstrating my point. I think you should be the High Preistest here on RWD

Jooky - Thanks for a very thoughtful, well reasoned post.  This is the kind of give and take that puts a sharper point on things

I do not have a problem with women's rights, or women acting liberally.  (Everyone here assumes so merely because of my accurate observations).  I am simply full appreciation of the stark changes and differences.

[fathertime]

I have had this discussion / debate many, many times.  I have never lost to an open minded man ... and am very accurate with my words.  Unlike you ... "it would appear that you experience is the value of your wallet"

So you are telling me that the social values of gender the same in the USA, Colombia, EE, Ukraine, or Russia?   Hmmm.  Give me something concrete without name calling and I will respond, so we can see where this goes.  Otherwise, your silence is appreciated.

It is not up to you to decide if you 'won or lost' a debate.  In my opinion you have rarely make good points and when you do, they are almost always the most obvious ones, like History 101! jaja     It also seems a little out of place when you make sweeping comments about Colombia or the Ukraine, simply because you seem to have always been on the outside looking in with the women.  It would be like if Stephan Hawking started talking about the finer points of base running.     


Fathertime! 

[missAmeno]

Ms A "Curious ... why you keeping an eye on all those boards? What that says about you? And is your interest in them personal or job related"

EXACTLY - thank you for demonstrating my point.

So what was the point of mentioning those boards unless you prepare to explain how they are relevant to you, this thread or this forum?
 

I think you should be the High Preistest here on RWD

Dear Mr. Riv

Thank you for nominating me for the position of RWD High Preistest. Though it is a very tempting offer, I already hold such position with MssA Household Co and therefore unable provide time and commitment position of RWD High Preistest requires. Nevertheless, I will do my best to contribute to RWD as much as my time and other commitments allow.

I would like to thank you again for the time you took to consider my candidacy.

Sincerely,

MissA

[Admin]

It is not up to you to decide if you 'won or lost' a debate.  In my opinion you have rarely make good points and when you do, they are almost always the most obvious ones, like History 101! jaja     It also seems a little out of place when you make sweeping comments about Colombia or the Ukraine, simply because you seem to have always been on the outside looking in with the women.  It would be like if Stephan Hawking started talking about the finer points of base running.     


Fathertime!

FT,

You following rivardco across from one forum to another (and one that bears no relation to your geographical interests/experiences) - and then almost exclusively posting ONLY in response to rivardco - is, well, kind of creepy in an internet stalking kind of way.

- Dan

[IAmZon]

It is not up to you to decide if you 'won or lost' a debate.  In my opinion you have rarely make good points and when you do, they are almost always the most obvious ones, like History 101! jaja     It also seems a little out of place when you make sweeping comments about Colombia or the Ukraine, simply because you seem to have always been on the outside looking in with the women.  It would be like if Stephan Hawking started talking about the finer points of base running.

Actually, I have grown fond of FT in a weird kind of way.

But, again he assumes that I know women like History 101.  And, to some extent that is true.  I have not been interested in developing real, deep, relationships until recently.  But, the relationships I have had have been sufficiently deep for comparison and conversation - especially when we consider the group here.