Are there any good agencies?

[joe24]

Angelika is not adding enough profiles, maybe 5 every month

Many of AFA Foriegn affair profiles  are copied from Army of Brides and anastasia web, AFA doesn't even want you to include your email in your letters

What are the good agencies?

[Handycam72]

Pay per letter sites (agency) are expensive and can be a minefield. They can work but you need to know the rules of the game IMO.
 

Good sites are:
 

http://www.elenasmodels.com/  Often referred to as EM on here.
 

http://www.rbrides.com/
 

http://mamba.ru/?lang_id=3
 

As with everything else, have your wits about you, use common sense and you should be ok.
 
Also I would add that AFA, AnastasiaWeb (AnastasiaDate or whatever else it is calling itself these days) Army of Brides are probably the worse you could mention, I'll throw in any 1st International Affiliate site aswell. That is not to say you can't find anyone on them, but it will be a case of finding a needle in a haystack.

[Chelseaboy]

Having used Dream-marriage and Hot Russian Brides/Russian Love Match,i would avoid using those sites also.
The chances of finding a decent,serious,woman on those sites is also very slim.
Lucky Lovers used to be ok,so may be worth trying.
 
 

[joe24]

AFA and Kherson girls deleted the "Seeks Partner: age range" from all their profiles, I wonder why

[Gator]

AFA and Kherson girls deleted the "Seeks Partner: age range" from all their profiles, I wonder why

The truth discouraged old goats from spending money on correspondence with young hotties. 
 
Even when such screens are available, you need to be careful.  Some of the age limits are set by the agency to encourage business.  Look at Anastasia Web where many 20-something RW claim to be interested in men in their 50s (at least it was that way a few years ago). 
 
I recall reading a few profiles which placed an acceptable age range of 30-55, and upon reading the fine print in the woman's text you would see a phrase that expressly states 30-40.  

[LAman]

Angelika is not adding enough profiles, maybe 5 every month

Many of AFA Foriegn affair profiles  are copied from Army of Brides and anastasia web, AFA doesn't even want you to include your email in your letters

What are the good agencies?

Better questions are your expectations realistic? Do you fall in love with pictures? Do you have time and money to spend on what could be a long drawn out journey? Can you date similar ladies at home???
 
Most sites are for entertainment purposes...put the quarter in slot and enjoy the view!!!!

[svetmen2011]

I was this month in Ukraine. It was my first trip. I had a lot of fun, was exelent serves. Met a lot of Ukrainian girls. This agency is the best! I recommend

http://www.ukraine-girls-loveme.com

[Admin]

I was this month in Ukraine. It was my first trip. I had a lot of fun, was exelent serves. Met a lot of Ukrainian girls. This agency is the best! I recommend

http://www.ukraine-girls-loveme.com

Well, well, well.

Let's take a moment to examine this post.

First of all, this is the member's first post and it contains endorsement and link to an agency website. Since the member has not bothered to introduce him(her)self, there is little (as in NO) credibility to draw on.

Next up, let's take a look at his/her comments.

>>I was this month in Ukraine. It was my first trip. I had a lot of fun, was exelent serves.<<

I believe he/she meant to write 'excellent service' in place of "exelent serves," and betraying the fact that English is likely NOT their native language. I further challenge the claim of the linked agency being "the best" when, by their own account it was their "first trip" - if that can be believed.

Since some of the post aroused my suspicion, I decided to check on the IP address - which resolves to Israel. Note, however, in their profile created when they registered their account (today, BTW), they claimed to be from "Los-Angeles" (not sure why the hyphen).

Finally, the agency website itself. Most of our members will recognize the "loveme.com" part of the URL which is a clear indicator that the site is closely connected to AFA. On their "About" page (here -- http://www.ukraine-girls-loveme.com/eng/about.php) they offer no information as to who owns the site and they certainly do not mention their AFA affiliation. It looks like it is one of AFA's Co-Branded sites (read about that here -- http://www.aforeignaffair.com/invar/resale/cobrand.php), although it is curious that the site carries banners for CupidMedia . . . . or is it?!?

In any case, the quoted post is undoubtedly a shill post and should NOT be taken as a sincere or reliable recommendation.

FWIW

- Dan

PS - I changed the member's status to a "Commercial Member" for the reasons stated above.

[ECOCKS]

LOL - I never cease to wonder why the website owners can't be bothered with finding a native-speaker to proof-read and tweak the English on their websites and do their posting trolls on an hourly basis?

Wonder if they felt compelled to just go with what their non-native applicant who claimed fluency in the language had on their resume? Probably just put James Windham as his name, don't you think?

[GQBlues]

...Well, well, well....

LOL! Too funny!
 
What I also find pretty silly is the scrolling pics of women they used for their banner aren't even Ukrainian, and likely unauthorized. Who knows.....the particular photos used are model pictures used for other commercial purposes stateside...
 
http://www.theflawlesssmile.com/faqs.html
 
http://alluresalonbcs.com/services/hair-crystals/hair-crystals/1495312/
 

[ECOCKS]

People, desperate people, believe what they want to believe. Whether it's the male:female ratio "facts", age gap fantasies or the certainty that super models really want to come home to a fat, balding guy who really loves them as the people they are deep inside rather than their legs, breasts and insatiable sexual appetites.

The dream lives on....

[Eduard]

Many of the guys who come to me for help have been either Anastasia's or AFA's clients to the tune of $15 or $20K.
Usually I have to do a bit of "deprogramming" to get them back to Earth and into the real world since they've been living in a fantasy land for a couple of years. I am working with a Canadian man, (former AFA client who did go on their tour to Ukraine) right now. Once you get away from and start looking outside of those MOB agencies you really have an unlimited supply of real, great women. I'll suggest to him to post here once we get back. He is a member on the other forum but mostly a lurker with just a few posts.

[ECOCKS]

$15-20k? I simply cannot imagine anyone stupid enough to drop that much money to an agency in this venture.

[Manny]

$15-20H? I simply cannot imagine anyone stupid enough to drop that much money to an agency in this venture.

He pastes most of that post quite often at various fora. Its up there with his "more women than men" and his "34 marriages" ones. Observe it has no relevance to the topic; rather another succinct advertisement. 

Its what I call a fly-trap post to nestle in the archives.

[Eduard]

$15-20H? I simply cannot imagine anyone stupid enough to drop that much money to an agency in this venture.

when you consider they made 2 to 4 trips it's quite plausable. With all expences considered starting from air tickets, transfers, apartment rentals through the agency, taking prodaters girls to $300 dinners and shopping plus off course translator and agency charges... very possible.
I mean it's OK to spend that kind of money and even more if you do find your love, but to spend a couple of years of your time, taking time off work (lost income on top of all expences) to make these useless trips just to realise that you've been taken for a ride, is really a shame IMHO.
Ed, you say "stupid enough", no they weren't. Some of the smartest guys fall into this trap when they start thinking with the "little head".

[Eduard]

He pastes most of that post quite often at various fora. Its up there with his "more women than men" and his "34 marriages" ones. Observe it has no relevance to the topic; rather another succinct advertisement. 

Its what I call a fly-trap post to nestle in the archives.

This thread is about agencies, Manny. And since the OP mentioned Anastasia and AFA I replied with the info I heard about them from quite a few people. To keep this on topic, why don't you share with us your thoughts on HRB/RLM operation since you are now working with these guys, marketing their new project, and probably have some insight we can all learn from?

[ECOCKS]

when you consider they made 2 to 4 trips it's quite plausable. With all expences considered starting from air tickets, transfers, apartment rentals through the agency, taking prodaters girls to $300 dinners and shopping plus off course translator and agency charges... very possible.
I mean it's OK to spend that kind of money and even more if you do find your love, but to spend a couple of years of your time, taking time off work (lost income on top of all expences) to make these useless trips just to realise that you've been taken for a ride, is really a shame IMHO.
Ed, you say "stupid enough", no they weren't. Some of the smartest guys fall into this trap when they start thinking with the "little head".

Well Eduard, I can come closer to believing that much when travel, gifts and dinners are included it was just thinking of money paid to agencies in "fees" that was blowing my mind.

How anyone ignores the advice and persists in believing fairytale fantasies like these is beyond me though. I read these stories a few times a year (not just from you but multiple sources) and it always leaves me shaking my head.

I really would have thought it would be on TV and showing up on Google searches enough to have shut down these scamming trip operations and pay-per-use sites. Well. at least cut them down to the guys looking for internet peep shows and too lazy to line up their own dates as they go hunting for quickies and trophies.

[IAmZon]

I am NOT a believer.   

I do not believe you can find an ideal wife from an agency.  (Correction - it is more difficult than it would appear from literature and support groups, to find a the ideal wife in an agency)  In fact, I have seen that in agencies (a variety of kinds) the most eligible women get all the attention and are conditioned by the perks of dating rather quickly. I know a couple women who are "engaged" and receive money from their future husbands .. but, the papers are in process.   It seems that all parties are content for this process to take years (oh! the future husbands visit their future wives 1 every 3 or 4 months)

I had a date with a women a couple months ago in Medellin, Colombia.  It was an honest introduction arranged by a mutual friend.  She was surprisingly attractive to me.  But, I felt like I was in a job interview, and in the first couple minutes she realized I was not interested in finding a wife and living in the USA at the speed of light, she could not care less about my presence.  As it turned out she had a long history of agency dating.  Her sister was already married to an American.  She was not a scammer, she was SERIOUS.  Maybe she represents that best kind of woman in an agency?  But, she was not really looking at the MAN, she was clearly looking at the SITUATION.  Seems like an obvious, and perhaps natural, side affect to being in agencies and seeing how the game is played.

[ECOCKS]

Looking for the "right man" or the "right situation"?

Good distinction Tim.

[Manny]

This thread is about agencies, Manny. And since the OP mentioned Anastasia and AFA I replied with the info I heard about them from quite a few people. To keep this on topic, why don't you share with us your thoughts on HRB/RLM operation since you are now working with these guys, marketing their new project, and probably have some insight we can all learn from?

I think you were misinformed Ed. I am not, nor have ever been "working with" HRB/RLM. I have never been a client of HRM/RLM either, so I cannot offer any insight as a client on those particular sites.

I do not believe you can find an ideal wife from an agency.

I beg to differ. I did. Many others did too.

[LAman]

Ed, you say "stupid enough", no they weren't. Some of the smartest guys fall into this trap when they start thinking with the "little head".

Smart intellectually.....but socially inept or just plain lonely with unrealistic expectations. The 'big head' was thinking either!!! Something about the need for someone to care...whether it was real or not.

[ECOCKS]

Smart intellectually.....but socially inept or just plain lonely with unrealistic expectations. The 'big head' was thinking either!!! Something about the need for someone to care...whether it was real or not.

Stupid is as stupid does......

[LAman]

Stupid is as stupid does......

 
 
There is a big difference between dumb and stupid!!!

[ECOCKS]

Really?

...from Webster's

¹stu·pid adj \ˈstü-pəd, ˈstyü-\a   : slow of mind : obtuse    b   : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner    c   : lacking intelligence or reason : brutish
Still. we're discussing people making poor decisions in the process of pursuing a long term relationship not having a discussion in a cognitive psychology class.

 

[LAman]

Really?

...from Webster's

¹stu·pid adj \ˈstü-pəd, ˈstyü-\a   : slow of mind : obtuse    b   : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner    c   : lacking intelligence or reason : brutish
Still. we're discussing people making poor decisions in the process of pursuing a long term relationship not having a discussion in a cognitive psychology class.

 

Forgeting webster for a second:
 
From my definition ......dumb is making bad decisions but you don't know better (Forest Gump for instance)...while stupid is bad decisions made by those that should know better.
I thought more highly of Forest becasue he knew and accepted his limitations.