foreign bride citizenship question

[JP5380]

Hello, I'm new here and trying to find my way through the thicket of information.  I have a question that seems simple, but maybe more complicated than I realized.  From my reading, it seems that a woman from the FSU, can move to the USA, be married for a few years, get a divorce, and still maintain U.S. citizenship.  If this is true, it seems logical that some women may be willing to go through this process simply to gain citizenship. 

Could someone possibly enlighten me on this subject?  I appreciate any advice and I apologize in advance for missing any posts that have already covered the topic.

Thanks!

[Jumper]

Yes , any given nationality could marry for the intent of immigration and citizenship,and yes it can be done , and has been done.
 
So that's the simple answer to the question.
 
It is far from a complete answer though.. as the motivations of most FSU women would certianly  not be solely for citizenship in my opinion.
 
While the risk is there...
 i believe it's rather  low overall.
(women in your own country can also marry for nefarous reasons.. while the risk might be lower , it would be quite hard to say what percentage?)
 
as example: if you were  a older woman marrying a 19 man from certain regions of the world,  the likelhood and risk would increase..
 
 So would the consulate officers suspicions when going over the visa request.
 
 
for what its worth, I know many RW that are in the USA, and never really consider citizenship.
(this includes my ex russian wife)
There are simply a lot of FSU immigrants in my area.
 I do not know any that actually married for a green card (immigration)or for citizenship..most married hoping for love and a family and yes possibilties of a better life or future for their children or family.
Some came om a student or work visa etc.
lots of scenarios, nomne i know of that would play out as marriage fraud.
 
 
 
 
 
While I know  examples of RW marrying for citizenship, or simple immigration ,exist as well.
 
 
Maxx's arrival on isle 5 in
 
 3 , 2 , 1......
 

[Faux Pas]

Hello, I'm new here and trying to find my way through the thicket of information.  I have a question that seems simple, but maybe more complicated than I realized.  From my reading, it seems that a woman from the FSU, can move to the USA, be married for a few years, get a divorce, and still maintain U.S. citizenship.  If this is true, it seems logical that some women may be willing to go through this process simply to gain citizenship. 

Could someone possibly enlighten me on this subject?  I appreciate any advice and I apologize in advance for missing any posts that have already covered the topic.

Thanks!

As Jumper stated the short answer is yes.


However, you are aware of the difference in immigration and citizenship?


The brass tacks is that once your "intended" enters the immigration process and you marry, you are for all intent and purposes through with her immigration process or citizenship. From that point on it is all between the USCIS and her.


So Should you decide to marry and divorce later on, you would have no control over her process.

[Vincenzo]

There was a sob story a year ago about Tatiana Miroshnik, a Russian bride who faced deportation after 13 years in the USA. She came using an American man as a "mule" and cheated on him. They divorced and subsequently she couldn't get her green card.
http://www.examiner.com/international-headlines-in-national/teen-and-mom-face-deportation-to-russia-forced-to-leave-2-young-daughters-son-to-join-army-at-18

Her "mule" wrote his side of the story:
http://forums.contracostatimes.com/topic/fremont-woman-son-face-deportation-to-russia#comment-273120

[Vaughn]

There was a sob story a year ago about Tatiana Miroshnik...

Sob story is an understatement - both married for all the wrong reasons. The mule admits repeatedly he "felt sorry
for her".....  a huge red flag for any self-respecting FSU woman. She, on the other hand, played the lust card - and
this guy fell for it. What I find annoying about this fellow is that he blames her for seducing him - yet willingly travels to Nizhni Novgorod to meet Mama - and with disgust describes the sub-par living conditions there - and runs home to prepare her way to paradise anyway.
 
The mule was, and remains, one of the poorest types of candidates to find happiness with a foreign bride of any nationality, and perhaps even the girl next door.
 

From my reading, it seems that a woman from the FSU, can move to the USA, be married for a few years, get a divorce, and still maintain U.S. citizenship.  If this is true, it seems logical that some women may be willing to go through this process simply to gain citizenship.

Welcome to RWD, JP, and I suggest if you have not already read the above sob story, by all means, take note of the speed with which that train ran off its tracks. In my ten years of East-West relationship awareness, one thing seems to me to remain fairly constant : rush into an engagement and marriage and the chances increase exponentially that the marriage will fail, regardless of sincere intentions at the outset. Exercise patience - allow much time for a relationship to develop, and for your own sake, make every effort to dismiss the mystique and exoticism that many Western men subconciously assign to the Eastern bride and her charms.
 
Depending on your own personal capacity for discernment, giving yourselves (you and her) the time to notice red flags is exceedingly wise. This ain't a horse race.
 
 

[tfcrew]

.. it seems that a woman from the FSU, can move to the USA, be married for a few years, get a divorce, and still maintain U.S. citizenship.  If this is true, it seems logical that some women may be willing to go through this process simply to gain citizenship. 

Usually, citizenship is not yet attained before the scammer bolts [as described]. 
However, the permanent resident trump card  if played correctly would grant the foreign gal  the ability to stay on in this country. One can always find an attorney to wipe their tears. Not just Russian speaking girls but one from any foreign country.
 
 

[Muzh]

Hello, I'm new here and trying to find my way through the thicket of information.  I have a question that seems simple, but maybe more complicated than I realized.  From my reading, it seems that a woman from the FSU, can move to the USA, be married for a few years, get a divorce, and still maintain U.S. citizenship.  If this is true, it seems logical that some women may be willing to go through this process simply to gain citizenship. 

Could someone possibly enlighten me on this subject?  I appreciate any advice and I apologize in advance for missing any posts that have already covered the topic.

Thanks!

Hey JP, First 
 
Now, can you explain to us the reason for your query?

[JP5380]

Thanks for the advice everyone.  And thank you for the welcome to your community.  I appreciate it.  I posted this question, simply because it was one of the first concerns I had.  I have considered international marriage off and on, but finally decided to dig a little deeper.  I'm still 31, relatively young, and do not have as much "life experience" as other members on this forum.  I feel I should be exceedingly cautious with every step of this endeavor. 

On another note, I joined a couple of the websites for Russian singles yesterday and did some exploring.  I find it hard to believe some of these profiles...some just appear to be pictures of professional models that a user has uploaded.  While others seem they could be legitimate.  All I can say is, this seems like a treacherous road and I must think clearly at all times.  Again, thanks for the advice.  I really appreciate it!

[SANDRO43]

author=JP5380 link=topic=13803.msg274644#msg274644 date=1312911259]I find it hard to believe some of these profiles...some just appear to be pictures of professional models that a user has uploaded.

Pinching models' photos is a favourite sport of some FSU hookers (see this page on my website: http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm#TripleDealers).

A useful tool to verify whether a photo belongs to a model is Tin Eye (http://www.tineye.com/), they have a database of some 2 billion Internet photos and a search takes a few seconds only .

[Muzh]

JP, it is very simple.
 
1) Find a few pics you like.
 
2) Avoid pay for play agencies. Use those who charge you a set fee for communicating with them.
 
3) Get the agency out of the equation ASAP. This will help you determine if you are talking to Viktoria and not Viktor. Skye/phone/email/SMS her until you feel some rapport with her.
 
4) Get on the plane and visit her.
 
If it works, great. If not repeat steps 1 - 4.
 
While you are doing this, do not send money. Many here refer the newbies to the "10 commandments" located on this forum. Not sending money to a woman you have not met is one of them.
 
You will probably be dealing with sophisticated 21 to 24 hotsmokingnovas and they can easily hook you into becoming their "sponsor." It is said here that real ladies interested in you will never ask you for money. That's appropriate for the older crowd (30 - 40 yo) but not so sure about the younger crowd. They have been raised in a more abundant and materialistic world.
 
If you are afraid one of these will use you as a "mule" I'm not too convinced of that. It is a possibility, however, it is so much work for what they can get from you vs what they have there that it may be not worth it. That a girl that young can change her mind in a couple of years, that depends on YOU, mister.
 
So read what's been posted and ask questions.
 
Do I think you should do it?
 
Should you try skydiving? Bungee jumping? Run with the Bulls? Drive an Indy car?
 
Hell yeah. Keep in mind you'll have to be careful.
 
Good luck.

[JP5380]

Good advice guys, thanks 

[Faux Pas]

Undue or an abundance of paranoia will likely sink you faster than a bad case of body odor. Just be alert. Do not write things off as cultural differences or think yourself in a hurry like your ass is on fire. It isn't and you ain't. Be aware and when those flags present themselves, be smart enough to recognize them. Keep in mind with the right woman they may never appear. Or with the wrong one they might not either. There's very few hard and fast rules but one thing that helps is having your wits about you and knowing the difference in it and paranoia.


Good Luck

[Maxx2]

While I know  examples of RW marrying for citizenship, or simple immigration ,exist as well.
 
 
Maxx's arrival on isle 5 in
 
 3 , 2 , 1......
 
 

What amazes me is that I will read on this forum from some that it is highly unlikely a RW would do such. Like almost unheard of. The male victims are making stuff up, "Sob stories"  and so on Yet you got people risking shark infested waters just to get into the "Land of the Free".







It can do 8 knots

[Maxx2]

Undue or an abundance of paranoia will likely sink you faster than a bad case of body odor. Just be alert. Do not write things off as cultural differences or think yourself in a hurry like your ass is on fire. It isn't and you ain't. Be aware and when those flags present themselves, be smart enough to recognize them. Keep in mind with the right woman they may never appear. Or with the wrong one they might not either. There's very few hard and fast rules but one thing that helps is having your wits about you and knowing the difference in it and paranoia.


Good Luck

Some of these ladies are GREAT method actresses. Meryl Streep got nothing over them. But like someone said given enough time cracks will show in their performances. Then the tough part comes trying to figure is you have a GCG (Green Card Girl) or just being paranoid or overly cautious.  Then you can do what Jack Benny did the The Guide of the Married Man


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojWKoMgvEM[/youtube]

[Jumper]

What amazes me is that I will read on this forum from some that it is highly unlikely a RW would do such. Like almost unheard of. The male victims are making stuff up, "Sob stories"  and so on Yet you got people risking shark infested waters just to get into the "Land of the Free".







It can do 8 knots

It is a good point Maxx ,
 and i don't deny it, or that Russians have used marriage for immigration.
 
I know of some men taken for a ride (like yourself) and it was truly unfortunante.
 
 
There are RW in Cuba and Dominican Republic,
 and you're just not likely to see any of them sailing on that vessel though..
so there are degrees to desparation, in a general populace,
i'm not sure its entirely accurate to compare.
 
Very few RW would go thru the trials and tribulations that a lot of people from south america or other areas would go thru to get here..
 
but the point *some* would use marriage as a vehicle is certainly true.
 
I know any number of women you could have met Maxx,, that would have never abused the situation like your ex..
in fact i just cant think of any i know in ukraine right now that would, the majority if single would be interested in you..
firstly for being a good and stable man..
far down the list would be your location.
In fact at the moment your location  might be a negative, that they'd be willing to overlook..
many wouldnt see it as some positive, others would,
and a lesser percent might be desparate enough to use a person as a tool to immigrate..
 
so what percentage do you think fall into each catergory?
 
 
Frankly , I'm still amazed at your poor luck.This was a woman married mulitple times with basically a criminal mindset ,and the RW you met before that, was also a bit crazy at best.
 
you could throw a dart at anatasia web profiles  and have better luck!
 
at least in the sense you might hit on a pro dater or someone insincere that might take you shopping only..
but the odds they would be a complete flake, or criminally use you,  would be slim.
 

[Maxx2]

It is a good point Maxx ,
 and i don't deny it, or that Russians have used marriage for immigration.
 
I know of some men taken for a ride (like yourself) and it was truly unfortunante.
 
 
There are RW in Cuba and Dominican Republic,
 and you're just not likely to see any of them sailing on that vessel though..
so there are degrees to desparation, in a general populace,
i'm not sure its entirely accurate to compare.
 
Very few RW would go thru the trials and tribulations that a lot of people from south america or other areas would go thru to get here..
 
but the point *some* would use marriage as a vehicle is certainly true.
 
I know any number of women you could have met Maxx,, that would have never abused the situation like your ex..
in fact i just cant think of any i know in ukraine right now that would, the majority if single would be interested in you..
firstly for being a good and stable man..
far down the list would be your location.
In fact at the moment your location  might be a negative, that they'd be willing to overlook..
many wouldnt see it as some positive, others would,
and a lesser percent might be desparate enough to use a person as a tool to immigrate..
 
so what percentage do you think fall into each catergory?
 
 
Frankly , I'm still amazed at your poor luck.This was a woman married mulitple times with basically a criminal mindset ,and the RW you met before that, was also a bit crazy at best.
 
you could throw a dart at anatasia web profiles  and have better luck!
 
at least in the sense you might hit on a pro dater or someone insincere that might take you shopping only..
but the odds they would be a complete flake, or criminally use you,  would be slim.

Thank you for understanding me and my past situation better than most. My disaster was not a marriage that went downhill and into free fall and she then pulled the DV chute to secure her LPR card. It was premeditated scheme worked out with the agency owner in Russia and with others who knew what was going on but kept silent. It even extended on over here in the US where there were other Russians that helped her some of who knew it was a fraud on her part from the get go. As one told me "She told me that she told Alex (the agency owner) "I am not interested in him but Alex said he was my best chance to get to America". The weird part was the person who told me this went ahead and helped her anyway. There were 6 RW and 3 RM involved by either silence or active help for her. I never met any Russians while it was going on take a stand on my side or try and tip me off even though 4 felt really bad for me including my mother-in-law. My impression with Russians was 'blood is thicker than water' when it comes to their own in these circumstances. Fortunately for most Americans these are not the usual circumstances. Most marriages have some bases to work on. Many RW might only like their husbands but at least it's something that can be worked on.

you could throw a dart at anatasia web profiles  and have better luck!

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[remiel6]

to interject probably irrelevant thoughts, although certainly there are people who will do such things to get to the US I think Americans greatly over estimate how much people want to live in this country. They do not come here, even from latin america, because of a love of "freedom" they come for work and to provide for their families. Its not that I am saying people don't want to live here, but not everyone in the FSU spends every waking hour dreaming of how to get to the USA.

[JP5380]

Thanks for the information everyone.  This is helpful reading.  On another note, I had my first Skype meeting with a Ukrainian lady yesterday.  It was a very interesting experience.  I was doubtful before we met online, but seeing her through Skype laid some of my fears to rest.

[ML]

  Exercise patience - allow much time for a relationship to develop, and for your own sake, make every effort to dismiss the mystique and exoticism that many Western men subconciously assign to the Eastern bride and her charms.

Subconciously??

Rather, it seems to be on display in bold bright colors!!