ABC Nightline: A Foreign Affair

[OlgaH]

He seem well-to-do, widowed, kids are all grown up and now he's just living the fun half-part of his life.

In the photos he really looks  very happy squeezing the young girls  Does he really need to get a wife when he can make so many girls happy at one time? Thankfully to "Bobs" they will have at least  a few free drinks, meal something else if they will get so lucky and of course some fun too 

[GQBlues]

In the photos he really looks  very happy squeezing the young girls  Does he really need to get a wife when he can make so many girls happy at one time? Thankfully to "Bobs" they will have at least  a few free drinks, meal something else if they will get so lucky and of course some fun too   

Well, his squeezing years is obviously on a very short leash. So methinks Bob understands that and at least I hope he makes good with the window of opportunity he's got left.
 
Katerina has gone platinum and looks a tad better than the last time I met her. Even John & Tanya are surprisingly 'ageless'. Good for them, I say. They still look happy together.
 
What irks me a little bit is the little girl aspiring to get to the US, via the MOB, and hopes someday to become a doctor. How old is she? 13?

[OlgaH]

Well, his squeezing years is obviously on a very short leash. So methinks Bob understands that and at least I hope he makes good with the window of opportunity he's got left.
 

Oh with his temperament he obviously has opportunity for more "French kisses" and squeezes      Ah, frivolity and readily accessibility, and bare breasted "Femen" continues to swing the poster "Ukraine is not a vagina" (just kidding, just kidding  )

 

What irks me a little bit is the little girl aspiring to get to the US and hopes someday to become a doctor. How old is she? 13?

The legal age for marriage in Ukraine is 17 for women. A cute girl.  Naïvety and illusions... I hope her mother will not push her to marry some kind of "Idle King" as it happened to Anastasia... 

[I/O]

"Ukraine is not a vagina"

The Uki politicians seem to think otherwise. 

[Boethius]

Specifically?

That in Ukraine, it is "normal" for women of 37 to be wish to be paired with men in their mid sixties. 

I don't believe for a minute he believes this.  It is a rationalization.

[Mark Davis]

This one was really interesting.  You can't argue that what they showed seemed accurate, but they put a lot of spins on things that were misleading.  For instance, the first impression from the bellman offering a prostitute to Bill Weir leads someone to believe that prostitution is legal and that they're everywhere.  Statistically, there are fewer prostitutes by percentage of the population than there are in the US.


In addition to several misleading innuendos; there were also no success stories show.  Once again, international marriages are with abusive husbands who are all in their late 50's and 60's.  Same story from the Dr. Phil segment.


I put together a rebuttal on YouTube.  I'd be curious to get your thoughts.


Mark


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mQdI8f1myc[/youtube]

[BC]

Anna Hutsol founded and has been running FEMEN since 2008.

Officially there are 12,000 prostitutes in Ukraine, but there are many more in reality; they've just never been taken to the police and therefore go uncounted for. What's most frightening is that 70% of those recorded are under 18 years old.

http://observers.france24.com/content/20090828-how-they-protest-prostitution-ukraine-femen-sex-tourism

Of course there is the trafficking aspect also where women are going overseas for sex work (willingly or unwillingly) with numbers like 100,000 being thrown around - many do go back home after a while.

On top of it all, quite a few video chat girls doing 'virtual' stimulation or involved in the porn industry.

FSU porn has reached genre status.

I think the number of women working one way or another in the adult sex industry is far greater than the official figures.  My guesstimate somewhere between 10 to 20 times the official figure, maybe more.

[Boethius]

In 2002, the Ukrainian Institute for Social Research did a study on prostitution in Ukraine.  While "official" statistics currently state there are 12,000 prostitutes in the entire country, the UISR study found a rate of 520 prostitutes per 100,000 population, or over 250,000 prostitutes.  That did not include those working abroad, or those involved in the porn/webcam industries.  A disturbing statistic is that about 40% of Ukrainian prostitutes are between the ages of 11 and 18.   If anything, that number has increased.

I know of no comparable studies in the US, although I have read stats of up to 23 prostitutes per 100,000 population.  I don't know how much that has exploded since the internet, but I do know that is a major concern of North American police forces, as they have a more difficult time tracking minors caught up in prostitution.

[BC]

While "official" statistics currently state there are 12,000 prostitutes in the entire country, the UISR study found a rate of 520 prostitutes per 100,000 population, or over 250,000 prostitutes.

Boethius,

I do hope that better economic factors reduce the numbers over time.

I can imagine a woman who works or has worked in the 'industry' sometime in the past might be attracted to a foreign relationship that would be somewhat immune to local Baboushka vetting processes.

This of course only an assumption.

[Darth_Budda]

http://www.anastasiadate.com/News1000796.html


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[SANDRO43]

In 2002, the Ukrainian Institute for Social Research did a study on prostitution in Ukraine.  While "official" statistics currently state there are 12,000 prostitutes in the entire country, the UISR study found a rate of 520 prostitutes per 100,000 population, or over 250,000 prostitutes.

The latter figure is probably more accurate, recently I noticed a marked increase in the number of websites devoted to UKR hookers.

Another aspect that I noticed is that they have become more 'brazen', like their Moscow sisters: in the past, most tried to mask their identity by averting/covering/blurring their faces in their web photos.

I can imagine a woman who works or has worked in the 'industry' sometime in the past might be attracted to a foreign relationship that would be somewhat immune to local Baboushka vetting processes. This of course only an assumption.

Not an assumption as far as my 78 Double Dealers are concerned .

[Jack]

A disturbing statistic is that about 40% of Ukrainian prostitutes are between the ages of 11 and 18.   If anything, that number has increased.

     
 
Boethius we all know you just wouldn't make up things therefore I would like to ask where can I see these figures documented for myself?  Don't doubt your word at all if you say there are more 11 and 18 year olds involved in prostitution in Ukraine today than before, but I would like to see the source, or sources, from where you are basing this statement.  And you say this number has increased, what was the percentage before compared to today?   
 
Thanks.   

[BC]

     
 
Boethius we all know you just wouldn't make up things therefore I would like to ask where can I see these figures documented for myself?  Don't doubt your word at all if you say there are more 11 and 18 year olds involved in prostitution in Ukraine today than before, but I would like to see the source, or sources, from where you are basing this statement.  And you say this number has increased, what was the percentage before compared to today?   
 
Thanks.   

http://www.ecpat.net/A4A_2005/PDF/Europe/Global_Monitoring_Report-UKRAINE.pdf

page 12

[Boethius]

Thanks, BC.
 

     
 
Boethius we all know you just wouldn't make up things therefore I would like to ask where can I see these figures documented for myself?  Don't doubt your word at all if you say there are more 11 and 18 year olds involved in prostitution in Ukraine today than before, but I would like to see the source, or sources, from where you are basing this statement.  And you say this number has increased, what was the percentage before compared to today?   
 
Thanks.   

As I noted -

 

In 2002, the Ukrainian Institute for Social Research did a study on prostitution in Ukraine.

I'm sure your crackerjack staff can track down the actual study for you.  It may be easier to find it in Ukrainian - Український інститут соціальних досліджень

[GQBlues]

Without tossing a couple of logs into this fire, the 2 young devs (mid-20s) I met outside the Marriot lobby at 4 AM during my first trip in Moscow, were in fact from Ukraine. Pretty gals, too. They were both signed up on a (very) popular marriage site and one was in fact waiting for papers to arrive before she can hopefully give up her adventurous life.
 
"Time to be wife!", as they both giggled in unison. I purposely fretted and left the details of this out from my T/R as I didn't want to shatter the sanctity of all things FSUW. The whole affair at the time was still fairly 'holy' for the masses still...

[Jack]

 
Boethius, can you send me a link to this study?
 
 

[Boethius]

I didn't read it online. 
 
You have the name of the institute and the year of the study.  If you are truly interested, I'm certain your resources can find it for you.

[Jack]

So you can't provide a link to back up your statement as I provide you when dispelling some of your myths.  Ok, no problem. Typical Boethius.

[Misha]

I put together a rebuttal on YouTube.  I'd be curious to get your thoughts.

I watched the first part. This is a minor point, but you keep referring to a "cist pool" and you even wrote it out this way in the video. The correct term is a cesspool or if you wish a cesspit.

[Ade]

So you can't provide a link to back up your statement as I provide you when dispelling some of your myths.  Ok, no problem. Typical Boethius.

Do you really need your hand held there Jack?

http://www.uisr.org.ua/

[OlgaH]

2011 Trafficking in Persons Report - Ukraine

Ukraine is a source, transit, and increasingly destination country for men, women, and children subjected to forced labor and sex trafficking.

Children were most often forced into prostitution or forced to beg. The number of Ukrainian victims subjected to forced labor and forced prostitution within the country continued to increase. Homeless children or children in orphanages continued to be particularly vulnerable to trafficking in Ukraine.

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/type,ANNUALREPORT,,UKR,4e12ee3bc,0.html

[Jack]

 

Do you really need your hand held there Jack?

http://www.uisr.org.ua/

Not at all Ade.   If you make claims or statements I am sure you would make it easy to back up or support your claim, right?  Not a big deal, I noticed you had no problem providing a link, I have not read it yet, but I think one has to wonder, I know from emails several people wonder, why some people cannot provide the sources to back their claims.  Good point and example, and one were still waiting to see, was Boethius claim that according to reports in Ukraine newspapers Tymoshenko's lawyer routinely used his position to intimidate opponents.
 
SteveOR asked Boethius which Ukraine paper, or papers, wrote that.   Not that any of us doubt Boethius but many of us would like to read the full report. You know how sometimes an individual can pull one statement and use out of context.  Well, in this case, were still waiting to hear which Ukraine newspaper, or newspapers, made these claims about Tymoshenko's lawyer when a simple link, such as the one you provided, would go so much further in backing one's claim.
 
I guess sometimes individuals think if they wait long enough such questions will just fade away.
 
 

[Boethius]

I provided a link to the Ukrainian paper I read most often.  There is no one article on Tymoshenko, the reports on how she accumulated her wealth go back well over a decade. 
 
As for the above, Ade was able, by cutting and pasting the UISR name in Ukrainian, provide you with the link.  You can download the journal yourself by following the link.  Incidentally, that link has nothing to do with underage prostitutes, it has to do with the number of prostitutes in Ukraine - 250,000, according to the UISR.
 
With respect to underage prostitution, BC has already provided you with the link, even the page number related thereto (Also, I didn't post "there are more 11 and 18 year olds involved in prostitution in Ukraine today than before but to be fair, going back, I can see how the sentence placement could lead to that interpretation.  I should have clairified, in that I meant there are likely more than the 250,000 prostitutes counted in 2002.  Of that 250,000, 40% are minors.), and Olga has supplemented that information.

[BC]

 
Not at all Ade.  If you make claims or statements I am sure you would make it easy to back up or support your claim, right? Not a big deal, I noticed you had no problem providing a link, I have not read it yet, but I think one has to wonder, I know from emails several people wonder, why some people cannot provide the sources to back their claims.  Good point and example, and one were still waiting to see, was Boethius claim that according to reports in Ukraine newspapers Tymoshenko's lawyer routinely used his position to intimidate opponents.
 
SteveOR asked Boethius which Ukraine paper, or papers, wrote that.   Not that any of us doubt Boethius but many of us would like to read the full report. You know how sometimes an individual can pull one statement and use out of context.  Well, in this case, were still waiting to hear which Ukraine newspaper, or newspapers, made these claims about Tymoshenko's lawyer when a simple link, such as the one you provided, would go so much further in backing one's claim.
 
I guess sometimes individuals think if they wait long enough such questions will just fade away.

Full context of that thread is available here:  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13806.0

Plenty of links backing up the assertions were posted by other members and Boethius.

Can't we keep this thread somewhat on topic?

[Ade]

 
Not at all Ade.   If you make claims or statements I am sure you would make it easy to back up or support your claim, right?  Not a big deal, I noticed you had no problem providing a link, I have not read it yet, but I think one has to wonder, I know from emails several people wonder, why some people cannot provide the sources to back their claims.  Good point and example, and one were still waiting to see, was Boethius claim that according to reports in Ukraine newspapers Tymoshenko's lawyer routinely used his position to intimidate opponents.
 
SteveOR asked Boethius which Ukraine paper, or papers, wrote that.   Not that any of us doubt Boethius but many of us would like to read the full report. You know how sometimes an individual can pull one statement and use out of context.  Well, in this case, were still waiting to hear which Ukraine newspaper, or newspapers, made these claims about Tymoshenko's lawyer when a simple link, such as the one you provided, would go so much further in backing one's claim.
 
I guess sometimes individuals think if they wait long enough such questions will just fade away.

Jack, it's up to you to believe someone or not and if you don't, go do the research yourself. I'm sure Boethius doesn't really give a damn if you believe her and if I were her, I surely wouldn't do the leg work for you when it's more than likely to fall on deaf ears anyway.

You should also accept that sometimes, certain information is not readily available online or it may come from word of mouth; if you distrust the source to begin with, what's the point in anyone trying to convince you that the information is legitimate?

Personally, I think it's plain to see that you have a grudge here and you are poking and probing trying to discredit someone and make an argument for nothing more than a personal peeve. Really, it's all very adolescent. Perhaps you should try growing up a little?