Looking for Advice on Good Country to meet my Russian Girl In

[prior22]

Hello,

I was hoping to get some advice on a good country to meet my Russian girl in where she will not require a visa.  I am from the U.S. and have a passport.  We have both already agreed it is the best option for now.  I have seen a list of eligible countries that are options for her, but I have never myslef visited any of them before, so any thoughts would be appreciated. 

Some preferences:

I would like to keep it on the cheap side for her.  She is 21 and not a rich girl.  Of course, I can help her if necessary.

She is very much wanting to go somewhere with good weather.  The trip hopefully will happen in about the next 45 days.

Also, I'm not a big traveler, so once we decide on the country, a travel agent would be our best bet to set everything up or simply it better to just book our own flights and accomodations?  Appreciate any advice!  Thanks, Dennis

[ECOCKS]

Russia.

Otherwise, you're just taking her on a free vacation.

That may work if you have had your first meeting and gotten to know each other. Trying to fall in love in a vacation spot though is not something I'd recommend.

So is it your first and, if not, how did you reach this decision to go somewhere other than one of your homes?

[prior22]

Russia.

Otherwise, you're just taking her on a free vacation.

That may work if you have had your first meeting and gotten to know each other. Trying to fall in love in a vacation spot though is not something I'd recommend.

So is it your first and, if not, how did you reach this decision to go somewhere other than one of your homes?

Thanks for the reply.   Yes, this is my first interaction with a Russian girl.  We have never met.  I'm 27, she's 21.  I talk to her for hours at a time on Skype pretty much every day.  We text each other at least 5x a day, usually more.  I was very skeptical of the whole deal at first, but based upon our conversations, I trust her completely.  It is so far out of my mind now that she is trying to simply scam a free vacation out of me.

Honestly, the decision to meet in another country was made out of convenience more so than anything else.  She is in the process of getting her passport now, but I understand it would take a while to get a visa for her to come to the U.S.  I know I also would need a visa to visit Russia.  As I said, I'm completely new to this kind of thing-not a very experienced traveler.  You are familiar with how much trouble it would be more me to get a visa to visit her?

Again, your thoughts are much appreciated.  Thank you.

[ECOCKS]

Think.

You have a passport, she doesn't.

She needs a passport to travel outside the country even if she doesn't need a visa.

It will take you a couple of weeks to get a visa to Russia, maybe less.

Meet her in her hometown to get to know each other and make any potential plans for the future.

[prior22]

I do appreciate your thoughts, sir.  I never claimed my plan was bullet-proof, nor that I had thought everything through.  If I thought so, I would never have made a post here in the first place asking for help.  I am very ignorant on this subject.  It's why I came here.

Having said that, thanks again for your thoughts.

[ECOCKS]

Good luck, you'll learn.

[Ade]

I do appreciate your thoughts, sir.  I never claimed my plan was bullet-proof, nor that I had thought everything through.  If I thought so, I would never have made a post here in the first place asking for help.  I am very ignorant on this subject.  It's why I came here.

Having said that, thanks again for your thoughts.

[Edited by Admin] Unless she lives in some gawd awful place that takes an age to get to (and even then, you could always meet halfway in Moscow or SPB), you should go to Russia. For you, invitations and Visa's are easy to get, cost little and it's a good experience for you to go to Russia if you plan on having a relationship with someone from there. Seriously think about it, you may actually enjoy the experience.

Oh and yeah, not meeting in a place with "a nice climate" tends to weed out the good time girls only interested in your ability to give them a free holiday. No matter how much you've "talked" to her on Skype, you'd be surprised how far some women are willing to go to fool you and how patient they can be. That's not to say you should be paranoid or anything; just be prudent until you meet and really get to know her.

Good luck.

[acctBill]

prior22 perhaps I can explain it a little gentler than Ecocks.  The first thing you should do is visit your Russian girl in Russia, this is a must.  It is important that you get to know each other and determine that both of you are serious about this adventure.  Getting a visa for Russia is not difficult for an American and travel to any large city in Russia is relatively easy although more difficult than travelling between cities in the US.  Once you've met each other a couple of times and enjoyed each others company then is the time to consider a vacation together.  Also if you are serious about marrying a Russian/FSUW then you should start learning Russian.  Being able to speak Russian and learning about the culture is going to help you meet and understand Russian people.  It will also help with any objections the parents or her relatives may have about a relationship with an American. 

Eventually if you do decide to vacation together some of the countries that are popular with Russians are for example Turkey, Egypt and Cyprus which are close to Russia and regularly see many Russian tourists.  Other places like Thailand and Dominican Republic are also easy for a Russian to visit but are farther away and more expensive.  The link gives a list of countries and the visa requirements for Russian citizens.  Don't take the link for gospel double check the information.  Good luck in your relationship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Russian_citizens

[Ade]

« Last Edit: Today at 07:12:03 by Admin, Reason: Removed unnecessary and incendiary comment  »

Dude, if you removed every "unnecessary" and "incendiary" comment on these here forums, it would be rather bare; I guess you don't, because it isn't, and I just fell into that "special treatment" category today.

FWIW I think my comment was fairly spot on accurate even if you think it was "unnecessary".

[GoodOlBoy]

I trust her completely.

 
 
GOB

[GoodOlBoy]

Unless she lives in some gawd awful place that takes an age to get to (and even then, you could always meet halfway in Moscow or SPB), you should go to Russia.

+1
 
GOB

[Daveman]

Hi Prior22,

Welcome to the board. Lots of good information available around here - beneficial for more than just travel.

I agree with the others that it's better to visit her in her home country.  Another option would be to meet her at a location inside Russia, e.g., Sochi, or have her meet you in Simferopol and prowl around Crimea.  You're  both inexperienced travelers so it would be easier to concentrate on getting to know each other without the adding that extra pressure to the mix (she'll be completely familiar with language, customs, etc.)

The first meeting is nothing more than a time consuming and rather expensive "first date" - the verification that you have chemistry in person.   All of this wonderful communication can literally vaporize into nothing within seconds or minutes of first meeting. 

If you are dead set on taking her on a trip somewhere for a first meeting, I understand the Dominican Republic is a great fair weather destination which is logistically rather easy travel and should make for a remarkable destination for a "first travel" for both of you.

Good luck with it all.

Dave

[ML]

If you do meet her outside of Russia in a warm place, I recommend you make it  easier on her by you doing the longer distance travel.  Russians go by the thousands each year to Turkey and Egypt.  No prior visa is needed by Russians to go to  these two  countries as you simply pay for the visa upon arrival at airport.

[Shadow]

For you to get a visa to visit her is a meere formality without any problems. All you need is to book a flight and hotel or apartment where you are going to visit.

There are a number of visa-free countries but remember that if you go there with her you are expected to pay everything except (or based upon her beauty and breains including) her ticket.

You trust her, now its time to see if she trusts you enough to meet her friends and family.

[Mila]

Hi, the best country to meet a beautiful and genuine girl is Ukraine! It is better than Russia, because you don't need a visa and our girls are more down to earth. It is my opinion

[prior22]

 
 
GOB

Ok, yeah...  that was pretty stupid for me to say that....lol  I should not have used the word 'completely' 
I don't think it's happening, but there always is the possibility  some sort of scam is going on.

[prior22]

prior22 perhaps I can explain it a little gentler than Ecocks.  The first thing you should do is visit your Russian girl in Russia, this is a must.  It is important that you get to know each other and determine that both of you are serious about this adventure.  Getting a visa for Russia is not difficult for an American and travel to any large city in Russia is relatively easy although more difficult than travelling between cities in the US.  Once you've met each other a couple of times and enjoyed each others company then is the time to consider a vacation together.  Also if you are serious about marrying a Russian/FSUW then you should start learning Russian.  Being able to speak Russian and learning about the culture is going to help you meet and understand Russian people.  It will also help with any objections the parents or her relatives may have about a relationship with an American. 

Eventually if you do decide to vacation together some of the countries that are popular with Russians are for example Turkey, Egypt and Cyprus which are close to Russia and regularly see many Russian tourists.  Other places like Thailand and Dominican Republic are also easy for a Russian to visit but are farther away and more expensive.  The link gives a list of countries and the visa requirements for Russian citizens.  Don't take the link for gospel double check the information.  Good luck in your relationship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Russian_citizens

Thanks a lot for the thoughts man!  I should have specified before this wasn't like completely her idea that we should meet somewhere other than our homes.  Originally, she wanted to come to me, but she looked into that process and we both realized it would take some time.  We just started looking at the possibilty of traveling to a random country where she wouldn't need a visa.  The Maldives came up in that discussion, but when I told her how expensive it would be for me just to get roundtrip tickets there, she wanted no part of that and she suggested I come to her in Russia.

I still would like to explore the possibility of going to vacation-type country for a week or so with her if we can get good prices (EX:  Dominican Republic, maybe), but I'll start to talk to her more about me coming to visit her in Russia and see what she says.  I just didn't realize it would be such an easy time for me to get a visa and looking at the airfare prices, it wouldn't be horribly expensive.

[prior22]

For you to get a visa to visit her is a meere formality without any problems. All you need is to book a flight and hotel or apartment where you are going to visit.

There are a number of visa-free countries but remember that if you go there with her you are expected to pay everything except (or based upon her beauty and breains including) her ticket.

You trust her, now its time to see if she trusts you enough to meet her friends and family.

If you do meet her outside of Russia in a warm place, I recommend you make it  easier on her by you doing the longer distance travel.  Russians go by the thousands each year to Turkey and Egypt.  No prior visa is needed by Russians to go to  these two  countries as you simply pay for the visa upon arrival at airport.

Appreciate the info, guys.   All stuff I didn't know....

[prior22]

Hi, the best country to meet a beautiful and genuine girl is Ukraine! It is better than Russia, because you don't need a visa and our girls are more down to earth. It is my opinion

Thanks for your opinion.  Have any friends in Ukraine you can introduce me to?  lol, just kidding

[prior22]

Hi Prior22,

Welcome to the board. Lots of good information available around here - beneficial for more than just travel.

I agree with the others that it's better to visit her in her home country.  Another option would be to meet her at a location inside Russia, e.g., Sochi, or have her meet you in Simferopol and prowl around Crimea.  You're  both inexperienced travelers so it would be easier to concentrate on getting to know each other without the adding that extra pressure to the mix (she'll be completely familiar with language, customs, etc.)

The first meeting is nothing more than a time consuming and rather expensive "first date" - the verification that you have chemistry in person.   All of this wonderful communication can literally vaporize into nothing within seconds or minutes of first meeting. 

If you are dead set on taking her on a trip somewhere for a first meeting, I understand the Dominican Republic is a great fair weather destination which is logistically rather easy travel and should make for a remarkable destination for a "first travel" for both of you.

Good luck with it all.

Dave

Thanks Dave, I understand what you said about the first meeting in person being very important.  The fear is there for me that we just simply won't have that same chemistry in person as we have had online chatting, but hopefully it remains.  I would like to set everything up for success, but all the well-thought out planning in the world won't ensure that sparks fly.

Thanks also for the ideas about potential places we could go in Russia together.  The consensus seems to be that's the route to go and thinking more about it myself, I'm starting to agree.

[ECOCKS]

Ok, yeah...  that was pretty stupid for me to say that....lol  I should not have used the word 'completely' 
I don't think it's happening, but there always is the possibility  some sort of scam is going on.

You think you're staging a "success" but are you able to live on that stage for the rest of your life? Will falling in love in a Disneyland or resort atmosphere be showing her the "real" you?

We're not saying there's even a flag on the play, much less a "scam".

Just consider the situation carefully.

One of the primary rules here is that there is NO relationship until you have spent some time face-to-face. We also often advise that exorbitant spending isn't a wise thing to do.

We don't know you, maybe you often take gals on vacations to foreign countries for a first date. Most of us don't so maybe we cannot get on your wavelength.

To date a gal in another country (and this IS a FIRST DATE) one of you has to travel. Since it's generally understood that US visas are harder to get most WM go there on at least the first visit or two. Aside from establishing trust, it gives you a bit of understanding of the culture you are looking into.

We can tell you about the scams that come up in this situation, visa fees, travel costs, medical charges, travel costs and such. We can warn you about what happens when a guy flies 4,000 miles to discover that the person they thought they were in "love" with is nothing like they expected. We can counsel you about being in a third country with someone and feeling trapped for the duration and, incidentally, using your vacation for a failed visit with only sightseeing as a backup plan.

It's just advice Bud, take it, dismiss it, whatever, but we really do wish you luck and hope things play out in the best way for both of you.