What is the best area to visit for a beginner tourist?

[Jooky]

i would like to meet a girl who can't speak english to well.

Why?
 
Do you plan to live in Russia / Ukraine in the future, or would you bring your wife back to the US?
 
Also, when you say you're impressed with the women, is it just their looks?
 
Do you really plan on mastering the language first, before ever stepping foot in Russia or Ukraine?

[bhayes30]

Why?
 
Do you plan to live in Russia / Ukraine in the future, or would you bring your wife back to the US?

well i have this belief that if she doesn't have any exposure to english then she has no sense of american culture at all which is a plus for me. ideally i would love to meet a girl have a relationship with her, get married in the US and then we would move over to germany permenantly.

that way, she would still atleast be in europe.

i want a woman who has had little to no exposure to american culture . there's no need for a american women suck, rant. i have had many friends warn me about exposing a beautiful foreign woman to american culture. if she can't understand english then it won't even be an issue. i won't worry about anything.

infact i would want to play in instrumental role in teaching her english so that i can mold her into the woman/wife i want her to be for me.

[Jooky]

infact i would want to play in instrumental role in teaching her english so that i can mold her into the woman/wife i want her to be for me.

 
 
That ain't gonna happen.
 
You're setting yourself up for a huge failure here.
 
 

[Shadow]

If your plan is to find a stupid woman that you can keep stupid, you might want to look to other countries...

[ECOCKS]

I dunno LAman. (knock on wood) I have yet to be stopped or questioned by any police in Russia. Maybe I look Russian? I can say with certainty I go above and beyond to "not" standout nor seek attention. More often than not many Russians just look at me and know, I'm not Russian but it hasn't caused me any problems with the police.


I was in ST Pete once for almost 2 weeks and never experienced any problem of any sort and really fell in love with the place

Having seen you FTF FP I can understand that if you dressed correctly you would be passed over as either probably a Russian or not worth the effort. Confident guys, who dress appropriately and have even a hint of a European appearance can get by without trouble.

[ECOCKS]

 
 
That ain't gonna happen.
 
You're setting yourself up for a huge failure here.

+3

[bhayes30]

If your plan is to find a stupid woman that you can keep stupid, you might want to look to other countries...

 
 
That ain't gonna happen.
 
You're setting yourself up for a huge failure here.
 
 

ok. instead of insluting me. why not point out the errors in my logic, educate me. and point me in the right direction. why get salty? does that make you guys feel good about yourself? do yo have too much time on your hands?

who said anything about stupidity? the issue is simple. im tired of materialistic, selfish, obnoxious women. i have talked  to men who have been on romance tours to ukraine who are now married. they told me that the non-english speaking ladies were more attractive personality wise than the ones who could speak english.

and my guess is they don't have any sense of the american woman's mentality at all. they have a mentality that is all about pleasing a mans ego. now that i'm older, i se

i would ideally want a woman from a smaller town. why? because i like the idea that she could be happy living on a dirt floor if she had to. ofcourse if she married me, that would NOT be the case. but that is the type of humble, hardworking - beautiful woman i need.

If  i had a woman like that who is humble hardworking and beautiful. that would be great.

but its time to leave these forums. i see the type of people that are here. for those who gave positive advice thank you. and to those who can't think of something better to say ....

[Boethius]

 

they told me that the non-english speaking ladies were more attractive personality wise than the ones who could speak english.

They are precisely more attractive because the men cannot communicate with them.  Once those women learn English and can express their thoughts, they are not as attractive to such men.


Stick around, bhayes, Jooky's comment was actually a very solid piece of advice to you.

[bhayes30]

They are precisely more attractive because the men cannot communicate with them.  Once those women learn English and can express their thoughts, they are not as attractive to such men.


Stick around, bhayes, Jooky's comment was actually a very solid piece of advice to you.

well its not what jooky said. but how he said it. i have no intention of looking for some dumb foreigner that i can control. that is what he was implying. i don't take that insult lightly.

secondly, i have been talking to some men who live over in Kiev. And i just came here for more info. some of you have given solid advice.

but the issue is simple. i will learn the language. i will make some friends over there. give it some time. use the internet. and try to work my way around the scammers and attract a nice lady who cares who doesn't know english real well. why is that something to insult me over.

so bye bye RW forums. again thanks to those who gave positive advice. and for the haters. have a nice day!!!!

[Jooky]

You're not being insulted. You are just so far off the mark here, it's ridiculous.
 
If you are truly interested in Russian / Ukrainian culture, then take a month off, go there and see what it's like first hand. What you've posted so far doesn't match reality, at all. Maybe you'd hate Russians and this is not for you at all. It's much better to find out first, before wasting 5 years learning a language with the primary goal of finding a wife from a culture you obviously know nothing about.
 
I'll start with this: There are just as many selfish and materialistic women in Russia as there are in the US or other countries. Agencies and 'Romance Tours' specifically attract these type of women. Some of these women are compensated for their time. Some are only out for free gifts. Some are looking for a stepping stone to a better life.
 

They are precisely more attractive because the men cannot communicate with them. Once those women learn English and can express their thoughts, they are not as attractive to such men.

I was going to write the same, but you beat me to it, and worded it perfectly.

[Shadow]

ok. instead of insluting me. why not point out the errors in my logic, educate me. and point me in the right direction. why get salty? does that make you guys feel good about yourself? do yo have too much time on your hands?

who said anything about stupidity? the issue is simple. im tired of materialistic, selfish, obnoxious women. i have talked  to men who have been on romance tours to ukraine who are now married. they told me that the non-english speaking ladies were more attractive personality wise than the ones who could speak english.

and my guess is they don't have any sense of the american woman's mentality at all. they have a mentality that is all about pleasing a mans ego. now that i'm older, i se

i would ideally want a woman from a smaller town. why? because i like the idea that she could be happy living on a dirt floor if she had to. ofcourse if she married me, that would NOT be the case. but that is the type of humble, hardworking - beautiful woman i need.

If  i had a woman like that who is humble hardworking and beautiful. that would be great.

but its time to leave these forums. i see the type of people that are here. for those who gave positive advice thank you. and to those who can't think of something better to say ....

If you are so fast to give up, you might just as well forget about the whole idea. To marry a woman from the FSU you need to be able to stand your ground even against what you feel are misconceptions.

If you want education, you can get is.

1. Men you met felt that the women who they could not communicate directly with had a better disposition as those who they could communicate directly with.

The key here is communication. Had these men been able to communicate on a level field they would have found all women to be equal.

2. Having a mentality about pleasing a man's ego and not the 'American' mentality.
European mentality does differ, and this will not change regardless of the command of language or time spent in the USA. A selfish obnoxious woman will be one regardless of where she was born or which language she speaks.

3. Women from a small town are better material
Women from a small town have a simple reason to marry a foreigner, they want out from their life and get a rich one. That means they will be moving on to a better candidate if you can no longer provide what they need.
Women in big cities are, strangely enough, often living under worse circumstances as those from a small town. Costs are tenfold higher, and the luxury of having your own food sources like gardens and animals do not exist.
A big city girl might understand hard circumstances better as a village girl who is taken to the promised land of milk and honey.

From your posts you are looking for a woman with little education, no command of foreign language other than what you teach her, who will worship you, who nevertheless should be working to contribute to the family and added to that is beautiful.
Good luck in finding her, you will need it.

Women are women everywhere, and the women in FSU are known not just for their beauty and the way they stick with their family, but also for having a good brain and being able to handle their business.
Even  a small town girl will know exactly what she wants, and if you can not provide her find someone who can.

If you wish to find your perfect woman, you will have to be their perfect husband. Which means low alcohol consumption, looking better as a monkey, dressed well and with economic stability that fulfills their wishes of having their own car, a house where you live and one ' at home' (without mortgage) and a regular supply of luxury. 

[Turboguy]

Stick around.  Most people starting this process have some goofy ideas, not that yours are.  You can learn a lot here and although some are being a little hard on you the ideas that they are expressing have some important things that may help you.
 
Lets talk a little about the language thing.  Many guys eliminate all women who don't speak English becuase of communication problems.  You seem to want to do the opposite.  Personally when I was in the searching stage, I didn't care one way or the other about English.  You have a bigger selection if you are totally open on it.  You seem to like the idea of her not knowing English and never learning it.  It almost seems like you feel you would have more control.  You won't.  Once she gets here she will make friends with other RW who she can talk with and there are some of those who may do more harm than good.  She needs to learn Englsh if you ever want her to fit in, to have a sense of belonging, to ever work.  If you ever had kids and the doctor couldn't understand her it could be a disaster.  To want to keep her dependent, if that is what you want and perhaps it is not sounds to me like you want to be very controlling.  Russian women are very strong willed and trying to control them is a road to disaster.

[Shadow]

Regarding the language thing, if your plans are to move to Germany in the long run that is indeed a thing to consider. You might want to find someone who knows German, although I know from experience that Germany holds a very large amount of Russian imigrants, as shown by a number of "Russian" supermarket chains.

[I/O]

infact i would want to play in instrumental role in teaching her english so that i can mold her into the woman/wife i want her to be for me.

I knew it...!!! As I said up thread, go visit a head doctor first. Once any FSU woman spends five minutes with you (God forbid) in your present state of thinking she'll tell you exactly the same.

[ECOCKS]

I knew it...!!! As I said up thread, go visit a head doctor first. Once any FSU woman spends five minutes with you (God forbid) in your present state of thinking she'll tell you exactly the same.

LOL, before taking an expensive trip to the head doctor, visit a real expat site and tell them your plan. It will save you the shock of the bill and provide you free counseling and planning assistance for your quest.

[bhayes30]

Stick around.  Most people starting this process have some goofy ideas, not that yours are.  You can learn a lot here and although some are being a little hard on you the ideas that they are expressing have some important things that may help you.
 
Lets talk a little about the language thing.  Many guys eliminate all women who don't speak English becuase of communication problems.  You seem to want to do the opposite.  Personally when I was in the searching stage, I didn't care one way or the other about English.  You have a bigger selection if you are totally open on it.  You seem to like the idea of her not knowing English and never learning it.  It almost seems like you feel you would have more control.  You won't.  Once she gets here she will make friends with other RW who she can talk with and there are some of those who may do more harm than good.  She needs to learn Englsh if you ever want her to fit in, to have a sense of belonging, to ever work.  If you ever had kids and the doctor couldn't understand her it could be a disaster.  To want to keep her dependent, if that is what you want and perhaps it is not sounds to me like you want to be very controlling.  Russian women are very strong willed and trying to control them is a road to disaster.

again. thank you for giving positive constructive criticism.  thank you for not going the aggressive insult style. like others have taken to. 

this is not an issue of control. its about the fact that what does she feel her role in the relationship. If her #1 priorty is to keep her man happy, then that would be the only kind of control i want.

i know alot of men who are american who married russian women who live in europe right now and have kids too. i know thses men well and talk to them and have asked alot of questions.

but talking thru the internet like to strangers is not the way to go. i'm not all about arguring just for the sake the sake of arguing. like some of you seem to want to do.

also i don't plan on having a realationship with her here in the USA.  No sir, i feel that being in Germany would be great because she would still be in europe.

Once  i get things worked out. We would marry here and then move over to germany. i have it all setup. it will workout nicely.

but i just have to get things together. it will take a few years but it can work. Like i said, a woman who has had everything handed to her on a silver platter and had the easy life, has the potential to be a spoiled woman.

i'm looking for that hardworking, poor, nice girl who appreciate what she has. A woman going thru that type experience appreciates having a man who loves and can support her.

and to those who claim i will fail and that i have ridiculous ideas well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  thank you Turbo guy for giving positive advice you're a nice guy.

again, why insult me. why not use my wrong point of view as a teachable moment and not "hey you, you're a dumbass for thinking up a plan like that" insult. "you will fail!!" rude tone?

i has was hesitant to come to a forum and Looky as well as shadow and I/O have remined me why i don't come forums. again time to leave have a nice life fellas!

so

[ECOCKS]

 


Love the entertainment offered by some of the posters here.

[BillyB]

well i have this belief that if she doesn't have any exposure to english then she has no sense of american culture at all which is a plus for me. ideally i would love to meet a girl have a relationship with her, get married in the US and then we would move over to germany permenantly.

that way, she would still atleast be in europe.

i want a woman who has had little to no exposure to american culture .

Bhayes, find yourself a "good" woman and she will be fine in American culture and excel. Living in any culture will influence anybody but a good person will take in the good and ignore the bad.
 
I think you're making a mistake to marry an RW in America and then take her to Germany. You're not providing her a stable enviroment moving around like that and it says to her you don't trust her to live in America.
 
Get on VK and make lots of contacts now. You will learn the language faster and you will learn about women on what does and doesn't work.

[I/O]

i'm looking for that hardworking, poor, nice girl who appreciate what she has. A woman going thru that type experience appreciates having a man who loves and can support her.

Straight from the BillyB Whackjobs Inc school of cluelessness.
 
BTW, get the flea out of your bum dude, it isn't all that bad here, we could actually learn to love you over time...............maybe.

[ECOCKS]

......we could actually learn to love you over time...............maybe.

I/O, the eternal optimist in the crew.......

[Faux Pas]

again. thank you for giving positive constructive criticism.  thank you for not going the aggressive insult style. like others have taken to. 

this is not an issue of control. its about the fact that what does she feel her role in the relationship. If her #1 priorty is to keep her man happy, then that would be the only kind of control i want.

i know alot of men who are american who married russian women who live in europe right now and have kids too. i know thses men well and talk to them and have asked alot of questions.

but talking thru the internet like to strangers is not the way to go. i'm not all about arguring just for the sake the sake of arguing. like some of you seem to want to do.

also i don't plan on having a realationship with her here in the USA.  No sir, i feel that being in Germany would be great because she would still be in europe.

Once  i get things worked out. We would marry here and then move over to germany. i have it all setup. it will workout nicely.

but i just have to get things together. it will take a few years but it can work. Like i said, a woman who has had everything handed to her on a silver platter and had the easy life, has the potential to be a spoiled woman.

i'm looking for that hardworking, poor, nice girl who appreciate what she has. A woman going thru that type experience appreciates having a man who loves and can support her.

and to those who claim i will fail and that i have ridiculous ideas well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  thank you Turbo guy for giving positive advice you're a nice guy.

again, why insult me. why not use my wrong point of view as a teachable moment and not "hey you, you're a dumbass for thinking up a plan like that" insult. "you will fail!!" rude tone?

i has was hesitant to come to a forum and Looky as well as shadow and I/O have remined me why i don't come forums. again time to leave have a nice life fellas!

so

bhayes


The first thing you need to learn about pursuing "any women" is to grow you a much thicker layer of skin. If those replies have hurt your feelings you are quite likely too sensitive for any woman anywhere.


You have a lot of flawed logic that most any of these guys will help you out with and they were attempting to. If you wish to learn as you have stated you do it would be advisable to listen with your ears instead of your mouth.


You are not the first who has come through here with such ideas and won't be the last. Some of those you've accused of being insulting (and myself) included, are more than willing to try to help you see the light.


Get p!ssed and take off if you need to but, you'd be pizzing away a very good opportunity given the desire you've expressed to learn 

[BillyB]

Straight from the BillyB Whackjobs Inc school of cluelessness.
 

hey I/O, Faux has some good advice about growing thicker skin. Lot's of people here are bothered my posts and it doesn't have to be that way if they had thicker skin.

[Jack]

bhayes30, if your still hanging around long enough to read this I would like to offer a little advice.  Most the information passed onto you here you must take with a grain of salt. Although their is a lot of good information, some information can be very misleading and if you were to believe all the information given to you for sure you would miss out on some good women.

One case and point.

There are just as many selfish and materialistic women in Russia as there are in the US or other countries. Agencies and 'Romance Tours' specifically attract these type of women. Some of these women are compensated for their time. Some are only out for free gifts.

As you can see this individual as told you that Romance Tours specifically attract selfish and materialistic women, some are compensated for their time or only out for free gifts.

This is a good example as to why you, and all newby's, should read, read, read as much as you can. Educate yourself. Education is one very important element to each man's success, unless he just get's lucky.   I offer one of these Romance Tours, one of three companies in America to do so.  I can assure none of the ladies attending our parties are compensated, we do our best to screen out those only looking for gifts, are selfish or materialistic.  We are not perfect and sometimes such a woman will slip thru, but if so, only once. The members advice would tend to have you believe these are quite common traits and I can assure you these are NOT common traits on our tours. They are the exception, not the norm.

[I/O]

Lot's of people here are bothered my posts and it doesn't have to be that way

Billy, relax, you don't bother me in the slightest, in fact I rather enjoy having you around, it makes for good lightheated entertainment, much like Donald Duck comics did when we were kids all those years ago. Actually your current squeeze would probably enjoy those as they were originally written for kids and teenagers.
 

We are not perfect and sometimes such a woman will slip thru, but if so, only once. The members advice would tend to have you believe these are quite common traits and I can assure you these are NOT common traits on our tours. They are the exception, not the norm.

Finally someone has offered a reasonably blunt assessment of how it is. Jack, I've never been on an organised tour of any sort with the exception of one day long scenic attraction tour I did here in Au once and it won't be ever happening again, just isn't my way of doing things but..............I accept there is a time, place and market for everything.
 
Obviously a few do slip through the net as you say and as is to be expected, no show goes without a hitch but I wonder, since the subject has been raised, how you deal with them, how you screen candidates, if connected agencies offer candidates, how you can be sure they are not being compensated upstream and how you can be sure candidates are not turning up at several different tour company functions under different "colours"? BTW, "you" is generic, it's an open question.
 

[BillyB]

you don't bother me in the slightest,

That's what you all say but I'm kinda flattered you guys follow me around.
 
bhayes30,
there are all types of folks here. Some you will not like and some have some valuable information. Take what you need for your benefit. If you leave now, you will leave with little. I have told many guys here to grow bigger balls including those who have told you. They've received the same beating you're getting. Some will make emotional responses to the beating. Although what people say to you may not be right, your emotional response to them isn't a sign of strength. Their emotional response to me isn't either.