UW vs RW: Better cooks, workers, lovers, spouses ??

[ML]

My 40 something UW goes to English classes with a 30 something RW.

Recently we spent an afternoon/evening with the RW and her 40 something husband.    Up front, I want to say that they have a very good relationship and marriage.

For an hour or so, the man and I had a couple of beers while the women did some clothes shopping.

I was telling the man about some of the tasty Ukrainian dishes my  Gal makes for us.  He said his Gal didn't do much along those lines.  I told him we could give her the recipes.  He said that  wouldn't do any good either because she still probably wouldn't go to the trouble.  He said how lucky I was because UW are generally much better workers than RW.

Background:  This man is US military and spent about 8 years (not all consecutive) in some official capacity touring around various FSU cities and military installations as liaison.  Speaks fluent Russian and dated 'a lot' of women in all the various countries.

I asked him what reason he had to say the 'better worker' words.  He related to me some situations where there were communities of Ukrainians within larger communities of Russians.  Said there was a marked difference between the upkeep of the yards, gardens, etc.  The Ukrainian areas always looked much better and the women did most of this work.

And he said that generally the UW cooked better meals for him and took better care inside the home also compared to RW.

So finally, I ask him the obvious . . . why he chose a RW to marry?

Quite simple he replied: The RW are more likely to let the man be the head of the family.  The UW will always be challenging the man and trying to take over as head of the family.

I have had quite a bit of experience with many women in the FSU (more so than probably 90% of the men on this board), but my experience still pales compared to what this man experienced in terms of romantic relationships.  But I found that I cannot really make such general proclamations as to best cooks, workers, etc.

Then, when I started thinking more about this today, I realized that a very large percentage of the FSU women I have been involved with have mixed parentage.  So mostly, I haven’t experienced much in the way of ‘pure’ UW vs RW.  (Note: The Gal with me is pure UW, and she is a great cook and tireless worker.)

Interestingly, almost 100% of the ‘mixed’ Gals I have been with have R fathers and U mothers.  So I guess the R men have some ideas about this also and have chosen the better workers, despite having to fight more for control!!

Anyway, even this man has a relatively small sample compared to the huge sample, with all sorts of conditions needed to hold many variables constant, that would be needed to make valid statistical conclusions.

As always, it is dangerous to make stereotype observations; except that there must always be reasons why stereotype ideas get started and persist.  And even where the stereotype is mostly true, there are always exceptions.

[Eduard]

sorry but this is one man's opinion based on meeting very few FSU women. Doesn't make much sense to me. It depends on each individual woman no mater where she is from. Some love to cook, some don't. This can be diferent between different women even within the same family. Some love sex and sensuality others can take it or leave it. It's all individual, I think it's totally useless to generalise about this stuff.

[Muzh]

My SIL cooks chef-like.
 
My wife doesn't cook. Only under death threats. 

[Gator]

Individuals vary widely.  It is almost a stretch to differentiate FSUW from AW.  To differentiate UW vs. RW is indeed a stretch.   
 
Regarding who is a better cook, is this not more a matter of taste?   If a man enjoyed animal fat, I could understand that he would think UW were better cooks if they followed traditional Ukrainian cuisine, e. g. salo.   
 
Based on cuisine and personal tastes, I contend that Uzbeki are the best cooks within the FSU (Thai globally). 
 
How important is this?  Consider the implications of so few Russian restaurants in America?  Ten years ago when deciding with your friends where to dine, how many said, "Let's do Russian tonight"? 

[BillyB]

I contend that Uzbeki are the best cooks within the FSU . 
 

 
Uzbeks make excellent bread and the horse meat wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.
 
 

[Nat]

It's interesting how you're going to tell UW from RW as most of them are mixed Anyway, cooking abilities and willingness is not about nationality, but more about family background. If her mother cooks and cleans all the time, she's likely to do the same.
And a bit of offtopic: ManLooking, really? Cooking and working abilities? When choosing a wife?  You'd better do research in other spheres of life, you know, those, which a maid can't handle

[ML]

It's interesting how you're going to tell UW from RW as most of them are mixed Anyway, cooking abilities and willingness is not about nationality, but more about family background. If her mother cooks and cleans all the time, she's likely to do the same.
And a bit of offtopic: ManLooking, really? Cooking and working abilities? When choosing a wife?  You'd better do research in other spheres of life, you know, those, which a maid can't handle

I already mentioned that many I have had experience with are mixed.

And I already mentioned that I myself could not make the conclusions that this other man made.

Further Nat, a man here cannot discuss these 'other spheres' you are alluding to.  Only you women can bring up these topics.   

[ML]

I write:  Anyway, even this man has a relatively small sample compared to the huge sample, with all sorts of conditions needed to hold many variables constant, that would be needed to make valid statistical conclusions.


Eduard replies:  sorry but this is one man's opinion based on meeting very few FSU women.

I write:  As always, it is dangerous to make stereotype observations; except that there must always be reasons why stereotype ideas get started and persist.  And even where the stereotype is mostly true, there are always exceptions.

Eduard replies:  It's all individual, I think it's totally useless to generalise about this stuff.


So Eduard . . .  Did you not read what I wrote before composing your reply? 
What did you add new that I had not already covered?
 

[Vincenzo]

You haven't mentioned any kids.
Even if a woman doesn't cook, she may change her attitude towards cooking when a baby is born.

Also, if you check female profiles, a young and beautiful lady is more likely to tell the truth about herself, "I don't like cooking. I smoke." She still receives a lot of attention.

If you want a wife who prefers to stay home and cook, clean, etc, you should look in the Muslim republics.

[Ranetka]

Further Nat, a man here cannot discuss these 'other spheres' you are alluding to.  Only you women can bring up these topics.   

[Gator]

If you want a wife who prefers to stay home and cook, clean, etc, you should look in the Muslim republics.

ManLooking, your comments (which I understood accurately) now have you buying a ticket to Bangladesh (warning:  the -ladesh is different from the -kok in Bangkok).
 
In the Army, we had saying that "5% never get the word."  Here it is much more.  I guess we need to write your qualifiers in larger print.  I have had some people question my observation that Slavic women on average seem to have more moles, less body hair (before epilation),  thinner tooth enamel, and _________ than AW.  I enjoyed dating Italian and Jewish babes when young.
 
 
Why stop with cooking and working?  What did the military man you met [to clarify, not you] opine about better lovers?   This should be good for a laugh.
 

[Nat]

If you want a wife who prefers to stay home and cook, clean, etc, you should look in the Muslim republics.

Didn't he say "best cooks, workers"? He wants her to cook AND work, not stay at home, am I right, ML?

[ML]

ManLooking, your comments (which I understood accurately) now have you buying a ticket to Bangladesh

I am mystified about your comments!  I said nothing in this post about my own desires.

[ML]

Didn't he say "best cooks, workers"? He wants her to cook AND work, not stay at home, am I right, ML?

The man I wrote about chose a RW even though his analysis told him that UW are better cooks and workers.  So how do your  comments fit in here?

And the RW he married has two small children.  I am not 100% certain, but I think he would just as soon that the woman be a stay at home wife and mother.  She is learning English not for a job, but so that she can better adapt to USA, help the children with their homework, etc.  The man is fluent in Russian, so they have no problem communicating currently.

[Vincenzo]

Didn't he say "best cooks, workers"? He wants her to cook AND work, not stay at home, am I right, ML?

Yes, work in the backyard. He mentioned gardens.

I would just check if a woman is lazy or not. If she has a good job, a lot of hobbies and talents, she'll be more interesting than a person who cooks well.

[Eduard]

If you want a wife who prefers to stay home and cook, clean, etc, you should look in the Muslim republics.

and then you still might get a surprise of your life when you find out that your wife actually is an imancipated feminist and likes to go clubbing and hates cooking and staying at home. Believe me, I know plenty of Tatar girls like that and some Uzbek, Kazakh women as well. As I said before it all depends on each individual woman. Better get to know real well who you are marrying rather than simply assume that i she is from a Muslim state she must be "homy and conservative".

[BC]

Dunno about the UW vs RW, but here's what we both put together for a party of 25 or so celebrating our 9th and our son's 8th birthday a week ago.  Most mixed FSU/IT couples and host of kids.

The salads and appetizers were prepared by my wife and I did the 15 lb standing rib roast (Irish beef) and a rather large number of southern fried chicken wings.  There were few leftovers.

We both enjoy cooking and hosting parties.  Good food, good wine and I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

BTW the flower and 'fat cat' are salads..

[chivo]

Uzbeks make excellent bread and the horse meat wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

And I hear horse meat makes your penis bigger, therefore a better lover  .

[Gator]

BC - Kuzna!  Creative vegetable/rice (?) dishes, quirky yet appealing.   You cooked the beef roast to perfection.  How did the RW expats react?  Most RW I know are turned off by medium rare and rare beef.  They prefer welldone (what some Texans refer to as "cooked").   Beef without potatoes?
 
Chivo -
 
Horse meat is rare in Uzbeki cuisine, saved just for festive occasions.  I say that because one rarely sees a horse as road kill.     The ever day Uzbeki dishes are made with typical road kill.   
 
 

[BC]

BC - Kuzna!  Creative vegetable/rice (?) dishes, quirky yet appealing.   You cooked the beef roast to perfection.  How did the RW expats react?  Most RW I know are turned off by medium rare and rare beef.  They prefer welldone (what some Texans refer to as "cooked").   Beef without potatoes?

The cat salad was a lot of beet root, and fish (silyotka), the other more like a Russian Salad with mayo, ham, cucumbers, etc with covering of shredded egg whites and yolk.

The Irish grass fed beef went over well with everyone, was very very tender and brought on comments 'Like Butter!' etc. Did offer to microzap if anyone wanted but no one asked.  One RW did ask for the end piece though which was a bit more cooked.  I got really really lucky since I did not have a meat thermometer.. (don't try this at home). I started cutting from the big end, leaving the very best (ribeye part) for last.. sneaky lol.  We thought about double baked potatoes but opted for boiled potatoes instead (they are in the pic's somewhere) since sour cream and cheddar is a bit scarce down here and potatoes thin skinned..

Was fun.

Kids of course went nuts over the fried chicken wings.

[Eduard]

The cat salad was a lot of beet root, and fish (silyotka)

I slightly overdosed on this stuff since it was so good at the restaurant right next to the apartment building where we were staying in Kiev. It's called "Selyodka pod shooboy" and besides fish (hering) and beets I think they also put potatos, chopped boiled eggs and chopped onions in there, and off course some mayo.

[BillyB]

 
 

And I hear horse meat makes your penis bigger, therefore a better lover  .

 
Now I understand the reasoning why someone coined the phrase "I can eat a horse".
 
 

Horse meat is rare in Uzbeki cuisine, saved just for festive occasions.
 

It seemed to be offered in almost every Uzbek cafe I went to. My ex fiancee ordered it every time we went... maybe for the reasons chivo stated.  

[ML]

And I hear horse meat makes your penis bigger, therefore a better lover  .

Is bigger always better?

Is there such a thing as too big?

[BillyB]

Is bigger always better?
 
Is there such a thing as too big?

 
I don't know, I've never had penis. Maybe a lady would be brave enough to offer her thoughts?

[ML]

Billy you better correct your post pronto.  Your detractors will have a field day with it.