Is this Normal? (Greetings from Lugansk)

[BillyB]

The girl in Kherson could be a total stanger if the agency was writing on her behalf too. Use some of the sites Manlooking listed about and contact some ladies in Kherson. Tell them in the first message that you're coming to Kherson and ask if they have time to meet. They will be strangers too but at least you have backup in case you and the Aweb girl doesn't click. She may be a sincere woman but she may not be what you expected based off the correspondence.
 
 
If nothing works out this trip, make sure you get on the phone with the ladies often before planning a second trip. If you can't hold a conversation with them on the phone, you probably won't hold a conversation with them on a $3000 first date.

[Eduard]

When I try to contact ladies with such qualities on free or cheap websites, very few reply.

because there are no Grivnas for them in it to reply to you. It takes quite a bit of time and knowing how to talk to them to get a reply if they are young, very good looking, well educated with a nice career. Girls like that have options at home and a WM has to be pretty special to get them interested. Now this is in the real world, the MOB world of Ukraine is entirely different story.


Now @ the OP:
If I were in your situation I personally would just get on Mamba or another local social networking site, spend a few hours there and have a date for either the same evening or for the next day and every day thereafter. If you don't speak Russian you won't have as much success doing that but still might be able to line something up and you won't need to worry about her being a prodater.


Alternatively, if you don't speak Russian, I thought Gator's advice made sense.

[Vinnvinny]

Now @ the OP:
If I were in your situation I personally would just get on Mamba or another local social networking site, spend a few hours there and have a date for either the same evening or for the next day and every day thereafter. If you don't speak Russian you won't have as much success doing that but still might be able to line something up and you won't need to worry about her being a prodater.

Ed. There are 1,404 ladies in Lugansk on Mamba between the ages of 23 and 45 and I know from personal experience that many ladies speak some English but they don't check that box. Yes, yes .. I know, I know. 


Providing our mate bangs out enough messages he'll get plenty of dates, even if he's real ugly (I speak from personal experience).

[Eduard]

Vinn, are you disputing the fact that a Russian speaker will do a lot better on local Russian sites like Mamba than some one who doesn't speak Russian? 

[Vinnvinny]

Vinn, are you disputing the fact that a Russian speaker will do a lot better on local Russian sites like Mamba than some one who doesn't speak Russian? 

I never mentioned anything about that Ed, I just said there are plenty of ladies in Lugansk who speak English.


But ..... ( ) I willing to bet a crisp $1 that a good looking non Ruskie speaker, who has a nice profile and wrote a polite intro messages, would kiss ass on the serious dating front against an ugly Ruskie speaking Ruskie, with a crude profile, who sent intro messages of a sexual nature.


In my experience the secret to Mamba is not whether you speak Russian or English, it's avoiding asking "what colour knickers you wearing darlin?" in your opening message. 

[Eduard]

I never mentioned anything about that Ed, I just said there are plenty of ladies in Lugansk who speak English.


But ..... ( ) I willing to bet a crisp $1 that a good looking non Ruskie speaker, who has a nice profile and wrote a polite intro messages, would kiss ass on the serious dating front against an ugly Ruskie speaking Ruskie, with a crude profile, who sent intro messages of a sexual nature.


In my experience the secret to Mamba is not whether you speak Russian or English, it's avoiding asking "what colour knickers you wearing darlin?" in your opening message. 

then you can only imagine how well a decent looking galant, respectful and funny Russian speaker would do 

[BillyB]

When I try to contact ladies with such qualities on free or cheap websites, very few reply.

 
That's how the real world works when the individual ladies are in control of who they want to reply to. It's normal to be rejected much more than you will be accepted. Getting them to initially reply to you is one thing but keeping them interested another. Dating them and being able to get repeat dates is another task too. Hopefully you will be appealing enough that one or a few will someday want to marry you.
 
 
You are not the only one who isn't happy with the lack of replies of ladies at free or cheap sites. Men gravitate to big agencies because they get more replies including from the hottest looking wome. They believe they're getting results. It's still better to stick with free reality than paid fantasy.
 
 
On another note I remember years ago on forums the motto is "You get what you pay for" when it came to agencies and dating sites. Now it's common belief if you pay for a membership on any site, you might be getting scammed.
 
 
I've always used dating sites with nobody to interfere with my correspondence with ladies. Free sites have been good to me and bride.ru has been too.

[Eduard]

It's still better to stick with free reality than paid fantasy.
 

this should be put on a sticker! 

[Olly]

I've always used dating sites with nobody to interfere with my correspondence with ladies. Free sites have been good to me ...

I agree. I never will go to agency cos i want to choose man myself and see him in real (in Skype for example) but see not what agency want me to see...
And for sure i don't want to be one of 10 women exposed on display to the unknown man

[Vincenzo]

 
That's how the real world works when the individual ladies are in control of who they want to reply to. It's normal to be rejected much more than you will be accepted. Getting them to initially reply to you is one thing but keeping them interested another. Dating them and being able to get repeat dates is another task too. Hopefully you will be appealing enough that one or a few will someday want to marry you.
 

I just don't write to a girl who still studies at university. That's what the topic's author does, and he expects something from such a girl.

It's not normal if he's older than 30 and writes to a college girl. He can try on a free or cheap website; he won't get any replies.

[GoodOlBoy]

It's not normal if he's older than 30 and writes to a college girl.

Just some friendly advice Vincenzo.
Management and some other members on this forum don't particularly like hearing these kinds of statements (judgements).
 
GOB

[Revan7576]

I have to agree with GoodOlBoy, this was a good trend until that statement. I never mentioned anything about my age in this whole trend and he has the nerve to make such ignorant statements about me. really? For your information, I am 23 years old. I am in the Navy and soon to be even more financially stable because my first duty station will be in Hawaii (shore command) where I will be able to Save 20k-30k a year if I wanted to. More than enough to get a house then out fit it with its own Solar panels and water well in Jacksonville or Houston (which I'm thinking about doing after I get out). Not to mention I will most likely Have my master's degree in a critical, needed field (IT, which with a master degree can easily make 6 figures) before my enlistment is over. So, not to turn this trend into a flame war but do you have any other ignorant assumptions to make about me? >_>

[Jack]

I have to agree with GoodOlBoy, this was a good trend until that statement. I never mentioned anything about my age in this whole trend and he has the nerve to make such ignorant statements about me. really?

Revan, first realize we have all types of people on this site, most are well meaning but some are, well, let's just say a few bricks short of a full load. 

Vincenzo is one of these types and best just to let what he say's go thru one ear, out the other with no stoppage in-between.

If you don't speak Russian you won't have as much success doing that but still might be able to line something up and you won't need to worry about her being a prodater.

And then Revan we have a few who would like to scare people into thinking unless they hire him or a Russian speaker to act on their behalf they will not be successful.   I speak no Russian, 95% of my clients speak no Russian, 90% of the men on this site who ARE HAPPILY married speak NO Russian, and most of us do quite well. 

Now with myself and most my clients we seek Rus/Ukr ladies who can speak at least a little English, as often a little English is all it takes.  Sometimes we met ladies who speak no English but we have such interest in that we will offer them English lessons.  But don't buy this BS from a typical MOB type, private consultant type, agency type, that tell's you if you do not speak Russian you will not be successful. It's just not true.

And to say their are no prodaters on Mamba,   haaaaaaa, someone does not know what they are speaking of.

[Muzh]

Revan, some unsolicited advice.


IF you have to do this, please:


1) Learn as much Russian as you can so you can have a REAL conversation with your lady, or


2) Find a lady who is good at English. Good enough that you both can communicate. Not the "Me Tarzan, you Jane" type of communication.


3) Learn Russian, regardless. At least some phrases or sentences. This will go a very long way with her.


Good luck.


P.S. You can find many RWs who will understand English in cities with many colleges and universities.

[Vincenzo]

Just some friendly advice Vincenzo.
Management and some other members on this forum don't particularly like hearing these kinds of statements (judgements).

So, what?
I often read, "I prefer girls 20-22 years younger. I've met 30 girls, but there is no chemistry. I'm waiting for my jewel." Yes, good luck.

Then, there is an innocent question, which a Russian girl will ask very soon, "How big is your house?" Her diligence depends on your answer.

Also, your style. It's very important for a Russian lady. No style, good bye!
I remember reading the Frenchman's report. He wrote a few pages about designer coats and shoes he prepared for meetings.

[Vincenzo]

So, not to turn this trend into a flame war but do you have any other ignorant assumptions to make about me? >_>

I assume that you meet girls who have no feelings towards you.
A girl who has feelings meets you at the airport and she tries to spend each day with you.

[Eduard]

And then Revan we have a few who would like to scare people into thinking unless they hire him or a Russian speaker to act on their behalf they will not be successful. 

 You are twisting my words again, jack. Only an ignorant person would argue that being able to speak Russian wouldn't be a big advantage on local Russian dating sites. I wasn't trying to "scare people", rather stating a fact that a person who doesn't speak Russian would have a much lower rate of success on a Russian site. I am surprised you would have an issue with that... well, not really surprised, how would you know since you don't speak Russian.

 I speak no Russian, 95% of my clients speak no Russian, 90% of the men on this site who ARE HAPPILY married speak NO Russian, and most of us do quite well. 

MOST do quite well? Let's examine that for a second.


1. You, jack are divorced from your RW wife as far as I know. Have you remarried? For a guy who is in the marriage business seems it would be important to practice what he preaches, yes?


2. there is no way to check the real numbers on your clients. Yes, I know that you claim something like 250 marriages (the number which I highly doubt and off course you won't be able to verify due to confidentiality issues) but how many of your clients are divorced now? No need to respond since I'm confident that we will never know true numbers.


3. And lastly how many RWD members are happily married? I remember the poll done a couple of years ago revealed that only about 30 guys here were married at that time. Even if that number doubled in the last couple of years it is still a very small percentage compared to how many men searched/searching but are still single.


 Frankly I'm amazed that you speak of your lack of Russian language skills with such pride considering the business you are in. Any intelligent person understands that communication is the key in a relationship. From what I've read and seen, limited communication at the beginning of the relationship will likely lead to a disaster later on. Not always, but in many cases it will. As a bilingual person I see how 99% of all the bad things that happen to people on this quest can easily be avoided by removing the language barrier. The fact that you speak no Russian and your English is somewhat limited doesn't minimize the importance of language barrier free communication when 2 people are seriously thinking of marriage IMO.
Unless off course marriage is not a high priority for your business model. Your single lifestyle, the photos of half naked girls and naked girls wearing nothing but your shirt that you post here, you saying things like: "often a little English is all it takes" (to do what???) suggest to me that you have very little understanding of what serious relationship and marriage is about.

Now with myself and most my clients we seek Rus/Ukr ladies who can speak at least a little English, as often a little English is all it takes.

all it takes to do what? You can't be talking about marriage here, or are you?

Sometimes we met ladies who speak no English but we have such interest in that we will offer them English lessons. 

Hmmm... and what was this interest based upon if you can't even have an intelligent conversation with a woman for 5 minutes? She may be "slow", she may be a total bitch, she may be a liar or a drug addict or a user or a psychiatric patient. You will have some client of yours pay for her lessons for how long? No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question. The poor chap still will be just gambling with his life and find out who she really is only after she is in his country, married to him and learned English to the point where he can finally understand who he married. He may get lucky if she just happens to be a decent person, and then he can also get taken for a ride. So again, what is "such interest" is based upon? I have a feeling that I know the answer...

But don't buy this BS from a typical MOB type, private consultant type, agency type, that tell's you if you do not speak Russian you will not be successful. It's just not true.

As usual, jack, you twist my words around and misquote me in a malicious manner. I did not say that a man "will not be successful if he doesn't speak Russian". Here is exactly what I did say: "If you don't speak Russian you won't have as much success doing that but still might be able to line something up". There is a big difference, jack. But this is what you always do, so nothing new here. All your "quotes" that you attribute to me should be taken with a grain of salt because you change what I say to fit your agenda. It's dishonest IMO.

But don't buy this BS from a typical MOB type, private consultant type, agency type, that tell's you if you do not speak Russian you will not be successful. It's just not true.

Now let's examine closer who you call "a typical MOB type"
1.jack: owns a MOB agency, offers tours with socials in different cities in Ukraine.
2.Ed: cultural consultant, interpreter, guide, relationship adviser who helps WM connect and develop a relationship with women who are OUTSIDE of the mail order bride industry


Sorry jack, but it looks like you are a typical MOB type... and as far as BS, I think intelligent people can see who is doing all the BS-ing here.

And to say their are no prodaters on Mamba,   haaaaaaa, someone does not know what they are speaking of.

Right! jack, look in the mirror, that some one is YOU! I remember a couple of years back when I stated that most RW in their early to mid 20s wouldn't be looking for a guy 50 yo and up. Just because I said that, you immediately had to prove me "wrong" and came up with a bunch of profiles on Mamba of the girls who put in their profile the age of desired man to up to 50 or 60 yo. Because of your lack of Russian language skills you failed to notice that all of those girl's profiles you found were either spam, prostitutes or sponsor seekers.


If you missed something so obvious one can only imagine how many subtle, less visible clues you miss when it comes to FSU women.
This is one of the very important differences that sets you and I apart, jack. Being a native Russian speaker gives me a distinct advantage over you when it comes to helping WM find Russian speaking women for marriage.

[Daveman]

 You are twisting my words again, jack.
...

I'm wondering by what psychic powers you managed to pick up on Jack's post since you have him on ignore..   


PM me with some lotto numbers.. 

[Eduard]

I'm wondering by what psychic powers you managed to pick up on Jack's post since you have him on ignore..   


PM me with some lotto numbers.. 

LOL Dave, there is a function called "show me the post". I have some extra time since I'm taking a few days off to shake the getlag from my last trip to Kiev. When I saw that he was misquoting me again, I figured I'd respond and add a dose of reality to his existence. 

[BillyB]

there is a function called "show me the post".
 

 
I don't care about that. Where's the function called "Show me the money"?

[LAman]

You guys crack me up!!! The OP has blindly got into this MOB dating scene with little to no experience, makes a ton of mistakes, gets involved with anastasia with blinkers on.........and you guys are blaming the PPL's????
Lets put the blame on where it goes!!!! Guys make bad decisions when it comes to women...period!!!
I never ecountered what hammer did with Awed...why, because I used my big head. I learned to use the site's rules and still get contact info!!!
Several things going on for OP. Sounds like OP only opened letters from girls, with no chat or even spent the $39.95 to get contact info. Or maybe even didn't ask and receive postal address(free). I never assume a girl's english level based on her profile( and definately not on Aweb)...you find out away from site.
I would think best thing is send Kherson girl his ukrainian number( it will go through) and have her call him or even her friend (possibly her interpreter) just to get some communication going( away from site). Who knows if kherson girl even speaks english. If things to south there I'd be off to Nikolaev or Odessa. Maybe Jack has some ideas too.
One thing I did try in Odessa is getting some dates through chat( no video )......just meet in centre at a cafe near my apt........
 
 

[Jack]

I'm wondering by what psychic powers you managed to pick up on Jack's post since you have him on ignore..   

And he say's he is not a bullschiter?

eduard reads everything I write. He knows he might learn something.




eduard, as you so often do, you have taken this thread completely out of bounds.  Most of your questions and comments should have been in another post and not screwing up this thread.

Of course for me to reply to your questions here I would be as guilty as you so I am going to post my reply in the commercial section.

See you there eduard!

[Eduard]

eduard, as you so often do, you have taken this thread completely out of bounds.  Most of your questions and comments should have been in another post and not screwing up this thread.

jack, do you have some medical condition that prevents you from telling the truth and thinking that people can't see this? You accuse me of taking the thread off top while every one can see that I just responded to your post where you attacked me and as usual told untruths. Do you really think that people are blind or stupid not to see that?

[Jack]

eduard, let's not detour this thread anymore than you already have.

Please reply to me under the thread  "Reply to eduards questions"  in the Commercial section.