Hi, everybody!

[Gator]

I to had to contact with each of this guy 

But I still hopeful to meet my true love ^_^

 
 
Jerra,  you impress me as a very smart young woman.  To assure that you do not waste your time with the Keyboard Romeos, Nigerians, stary kozeli, social nerds who can plagiarize beautiful prose,  I suggest that you limit you correspondence to Skype conversations. 
 
In addition, if a particular man is very interesting to you, check him out:
 
1.  If he provides you his home address, you can get a photo of his doma with Google maps and check the municipal real estate taxes to determine if he owns the property (or perhaps shares ownership with a woman having the same surname ).   
 
2.  The organization where he works may have him listed with their website.
 
3.  Criminal arrests can usually be found in public records.

4.  Facebook may reveal much.
 
 
 

[Ade]

 
 
Jerra,  you impress me as a very smart young woman.  To assure that you do not waste your time with the Keyboard Romeos, Nigerians, stary kozeli, social nerds who can plagiarize beautiful prose,  I suggest that you limit you correspondence to Skype conversations. 
 
In addition, if a particular man is very interesting to you, check him out:
 
1.  If he provides you his home address, you can get a photo of his doma with Google maps and check the municipal real estate taxes to determine if he owns the property (or perhaps shares ownership with a woman having the same surname ).   
 
2.  The organization where he works may have him listed with their website.
 
3.  Criminal arrests can usually be found in public records.

4.  Facebook may reveal much.

Good info Gator.

If someone contacts you from Norway you can look him up in the tax records here; http://skattelister.no/
It doesn't show if he's married but it can show his taxation income, his age and address.

[Gator]

Jerra,
 
No disrespect, yet you are very young.  I wish I were so young; however, I guess there is much you do not know about yourself, especially your reaction to the opportunities that await you in a Western country.   And of course there are the unknowns with any man, particularly a stranger from a strange land, someone whom you meet maybe 2-3 times before committing to marriage. 
 
I do not want to be pessimistic, yet the risks are high for you as well as for the man.  Rather than marriage, please consider the student visa route.
 
I presume that you make high marks.   If so and considering your age, you should be able to be admitted to an American university and secure a student visa.   If your English meets TOEFL, you could enroll in graduate level classes related to your present curriculum.  If your English needs improvement, many universities have an English learning center for foreign students.
 
All it would take is for you to find a man who is romantically interesting to you and who is willing to pay your tuition and show sufficient assets to spend $30,000 per year on your education.  American universities  actively recruit foreign students and they will help you with the paperwork and documents.    One caveat:  the person listed as your sponsor in your visa application can not be the same man with whom you share romantic feelings.

[Olly]

If someone contacts you from Norway you can look him up in the tax records here; http://skattelister.no/
It doesn't show if he's married but it can show his taxation income, his age and address.

Oh it is very important thing! can we get the same links of US and other Europe? 

[Gator]

Oh it is very important thing! can we get the same links of US and other Europe? 

Not income in the US unless he is a government employee.  Not age either, yet age can be determined by association.  Americans so far have been able to secure their private rights even tough Big Government wants to change this.
 
One would think that if a man looks good on Skype, his age should not matter.     However, Olly is smart because you are aware that a survey has shown that from merely gazing at a RW profile on the Internet, 90% of the men will look much younger than their real age.   
 
Address can sometimes be determined on White Pages, but you need full name.  Just ask the man for his address.  A man not hiding anything should not care.

[Ade]

Oh it is very important thing! can we get the same links of US and other Europe? 

No idea.

Norway is a little weird in that it has fairly open tax information among other things; I can even find out who bought a house, how much they paid for it and how much was paid by previous owners. I guess that would be helpful to see if the dude bought it with a woman - that usually implies a relationship even if they have different surnames. Each kommune has its own database for that though so you'd need to google "eiendomsbasen" and add the kommune to the search, for instance, "eiendomsbasen oslo".

[Olly]

Address can sometimes be determined on White Pages, but you need full name.  Just ask the man for his address.  A man not hiding anything should not care.

yes i know White Pages for Australia. but it shows only address and phon if he owner of this home

[Ade]

There are many foreigners in the USA. Even when they have heavy accents, they can easily find very good jobs. Moreover, you can ask almost anybody, "Where are you from?"; and he or she will say, "I was born in New York. But my grandmother is from Germany, my grandfather is from France."

I heard it's very difficult to be a foreigner in most European countries. He or she is always the second-class citizen. All good jobs are for natives. If you have the slightest accent, no promotion for you.

That really depends on the country you're in and the country you are from. In Norway, at least in this part, I know of a number of Russian women that found good jobs without much problems. However, a Polish colleague's wife is having real issues finding something; he thinks it's because she's Polish. It's the first time I've heard of discrimination against Polish people but I wouldn't be surprised if he's right. Generally, I don't think I agree with the "2nd class citizen" comment but of course, it depends.

[Vincenzo]

To Jerra.

So, at least one man from the USA has visited you. Why didn't you marry him?

Do you expect that hordes of good foreign men will visit you every day for a single date?
I'm sure the man from the USA will think twice and hesitate for months before visiting another lady like you in vain.

If a man is a sex tourist and spends $2,000 for a trip, he can easily find as many $100 whores as he wants. Why would he deal with innocent ladies? It might worked 20 years ago when salaries in Russia were $50.

Here is a personal question.
Why do you study psychology like many other Russian women? It's worthless if you want to move abroad.

[Gator]

I mean you're usually not discriminated in the USA if your English is not perfect or you don't have a degree from an American university, etc. You can work for any company and you'll be equal to your American-born colleague.

A foreigner's imperfect English is equal to his American-born colleague?   If you were British I say you were making a clever insult of us Yanks.

[BC]

Oh.. and by the way Jerra, on the very slight chance you haven't noted already, some of us older 'gentlemen' just like to sit around and pass gas (my wife says 'firing'), trying to impress the next in line..

One tip, find a mate within your own generation.. 'growing old together' does have it's advantages.

[LAman]

hello everybody from Russia, Siberia, Kemerovo!

I am russian woman and I am new here. I found that forum in google because I had curiosity what american men think about RW who put out their profile on internation dating site... because I am one of them. So I think that forum good for get the lay of the land. I've been doing online dating for about a half year and I haven't found that one men who will right person for me)

I am sorry for my english. I learn it just a few month but still cannot speak well.
If anyone have some questions about RW or Russia feel free to ask. I'll try to help you. 

Jerra.......it will be nice to hear your views on relationships between people from different cultures!!
Why is it that members here continue to give 'advise' to others without being asked to? Is it because they want to be heard or want to argue? I read 3 pages here debating where Jerra should be looking for a partner or what is best for her!!!! Jeez.....talk about poking and prodding...
I apologize if I missed something.....

[Jumper]

The OP answered the debate long ago..?
 
 
she stated, to her ,(which is what is important)
international dating should open up possibilties,
 not limit them ,or else she would just date locally.
 
 Seems pretty  fundamental.
 
You guys carry on, but keep in mind it is the introductions section.
 
Most families east, west, north, or south,
 don't fight the first evening someone new is  over for dinner..
 
 
 
Vincenzo-
Nor do they generally make statements about  a persons romantic meetings ,.when they have no idea why those did, or did not  progress,or if thety ended in herartbreak or simnply a mutual decision that they wernt right for each other.
 
You imply she should have married the guy because hordes won't be coming over?
 and he came for one visit. wow
what a favor he did her huh?
 or
 that he will think twice before going to Russia again?
Its somehow her fault, by default ?
 sheesh.

You have no idea if it was the OP, or the man visting her,
 that decided to not proceeed?
Regardless if the man wasn't up for international dating, and the normal risk that
*boy meets girl* and it simply doesnt work out for any number of reasons , then the man  shouldn't be internationally dating.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Op.
 
 
   Jerra,
You seem to have the same international dating experiences of my wife,and many RW,and have a good sesne of humor about the process.
 
I wish you good luck, and a lot of patience.
 
Amongst all the various difficulties, there  are success stories.
 
One ingredient in almost all of them, is the couple approached it with patience and respected the difficulties on each side of the situation, instead of glossing over them.
 
 
 
 
 
 

[JohnDearGreen]

Oh it is very important thing! can we get the same links of US and other Europe? 

  but US property records are usually on a county basis. 
Use google to find the county for a particular city. 
Example: Dallas is also Dallas County, so google for "Dallas county appraisal"
and find this: http://www.dallascad.org/searchowner.aspx
Then type in name or address to lookup.  Here is Ross Perot's place:
http://www.dallascad.org/AcctDetailRes.aspx?ID=005520000101A0000


There are also many for-fee$$ sites where you can obtain info on a person.
Example: http://www.identitypi.com/peoplefinder.aspx

[Vincenzo]

You imply she should have married the guy because hordes won't be coming over?
 and he came for one visit. wow
what a favor he did her huh?
 or
 that he will think twice before going to Russia again?

She complains that men chat for years and never visit girls.

But it seems that a few men have already visited her. They were probably the "meet many girls at once" type.

But if the men were of the type "meet this particular girl", they failed. She is too young to commit and she is pleased when many men come to see her. It doesn't cost her anything. She can chat with foreigners for 5 years more and date local boys at the same time, she is too young to marry.

Should you visit a 22-year-old girl if you're older than 25? No.

[veritas]

There are also many for-fee$$ sites where you can obtain info on a person.
Example: http://www.identitypi.com/peoplefinder.aspx

Another example in the U.S. (that I've found to be useful) is http://www.intelius.com ...

Kevin

[Gator]

So, at least one man from the USA has visited you. Why didn't you marry him?

Do you expect that hordes of good foreign men will visit you every day for a single date?
I'm sure the man from the USA will think twice and hesitate for months before visiting another lady like you in vain.
 

Rude!  It also suggests that you jump to conclusions, probably wrong conclusions.  Jumper answers you very well.   
 

 
Vincenzo-
Nor do they generally make statements about  a persons romantic meetings ,.when they have no idea why those did, or did not  progress,or if thety ended in herartbreak or simnply a mutual decision that they wernt right for each other.
 
You imply she should have married the guy because hordes won't be coming over?
 and he came for one visit. wow
what a favor he did her huh?
 or
 that he will think twice before going to Russia again?
Its somehow her fault, by default ?
 sheesh.

You have no idea if it was the OP, or the man visting her,
 that decided to not proceeed?
Regardless if the man wasn't up for international dating, and the normal risk that
*boy meets girl* and it simply doesnt work out for any number of reasons , then the man  shouldn't be internationally dating.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Op.

Vincenzo, I gather that you have never taken a trip to the FSU.  If you do, do you expect women to fall in love with you at first sight?  Most RW are very pragmatic.   Your attitude will work only with desperate women.  Not  well educated, not smart, low paying job, used and discarded by RM, no flat ownership, perhaps a kid, etc.  Is that what yoiu want?   Browse Jumper's many posts and study his style.  You can learn something.

 

... it seems that a few men have already visited her. They were probably the "meet many girls at once" type.

But if the men were of the type "meet this particular girl", they failed. She is too young to commit and she is pleased when many men come to see her. It doesn't cost her anything. She can chat with foreigners for 5 years more and date local boys at the same time, she is too young to marry.

You have no basis to make such a conclusion.  Sheesh.   I refrain from comment.
 

[Gator]

Here is a personal question.
Why do you study psychology like many other Russian women? It's worthless if you want to move abroad.

You really know how to make a young woman feel good! 
 
First, she did not say psychology.  She wrote the 'philosophical' faculty.  I do not understand the Russian curricula very well, but if true 'philosophy' she will run circles around you and most of us as well. 
 
Second, do not underestimate the ability of an intelligent RW to find a way eventually to outearn you.
 
Third, any person who volunteers at an animal shelter has a good heart.  My older son does the same and has for years.  He works earnestly to find homes for the dogs, even grooming them and taking them to shopping malls hoping some person will want to adopt one.  And sadly for the dogs that do not find homes, he gives them their 'last walk' and makes the dog feel loved before euthanasia. 
 
Fourth, curly hair.   

[Vincenzo]

The man came all the way from Wisconsin.
What was his type according to her classification?
1. Sex-tourists
2. Chatters
3. Married
4. Old
5. Insane
6. Scammers
7. Real, ready for relationships and marriages

He can't be real because no relationship has ensued.
He wasn't a chatter because he flew so far.
Apparently, he wasn't a scammer, old, married, etc. It would be obvious during video chats.

So, he was a sex tourist who had paid $2,000 to meet her and got nothing.

[veritas]

The man came all the way from Wisconsin.
What was his type according to her classification?
1. Sex-tourists
2. Chatters
3. Married
4. Old
5. Insane
6. Scammers
7. Real, ready for relationships and marriages

He can't be real because no relationship has ensued.
He wasn't a chatter because he flew so far.
Apparently, he wasn't a scammer, old, married, etc. It would be obvious during video chats.

So, he was a sex tourist who had paid $2,000 to meet her and got nothing.

He could well have been "real" -- but it just didn't WORK OUT between them ... It happens!

Kevin

[Vincenzo]

First, she did not say psychology.  She wrote the 'philosophical' faculty.  I do not understand the Russian curricula very well, but if true 'philosophy' she will run circles around you and most of us as well. 

Ok, psychology, philosophy, philology...
Even American graduates with these majors have huge difficulties when they look for jobs.
They have to settle as burger flippers or waiters.

Certainly, they are good for beautiful housewives who don't want to work.

[Vincenzo]

He could well have been "real" -- but it just didn't WORK OUT between them ... It happens!

Well, some girls write in their profiles.
"I don't want to chat and waste my time. Come to me as soon as possible!"
Well, it's better to chat for some time and find out if a relationship is possible.

[veritas]

Well, some girls write in their profiles.
"I don't want to chat and waste my time. Come to me as soon as possible!"
Well, it's better to chat for some time and find out if a relationship is possible.

A relationship between them may well have been POSSIBLE -- but when they actually met IN PERSON,
it just didn't WORK OUT between them!!!  IT HAPPENS!!!

As others here have already said -- YOU JUST DON'T KNOW THE SITUATION!!!   

Kevin

P.S.  I'm really starting to think that you're just trolling here ...

[Olly]

Use google to find the county for a particular city. 
Example: Dallas is also Dallas County, so google for "Dallas county appraisal"
and find this: http://www.dallascad.org/searchowner.aspx
Then type in name or address to lookup.
There are also many for-fee$$ sites where you can obtain info on a person.
Example: http://www.identitypi.com/peoplefinder.aspx

Thank you very much  and sorry...

[Jerra]

I think one option for the women woried about time wasters is to keep up letters with more than one man at a time. As we say: Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

That is not so easy. I can't do that, because I feel myself like a betrayer. But I know that is dating's golden rule though.

 
if a particular man is very interesting to you, check him out...
 

Thanks for very usefull advices! 

Jerra,
 
No disrespect, yet you are very young.
All it would take is for you to find a man who is romantically interesting to you and who is willing to pay your tuition and show sufficient assets to spend $30,000 per year on your education.  American universities  actively recruit foreign students and they will help you with the paperwork and documents.    One caveat:  the person listed as your sponsor in your visa application can not be the same man with whom you share romantic feelings.

I know that I am seems too young, but in our country girl married and have kids in my age. Really a lot of women get married till 25 y.o. I know that weird, but that is true. 

about 30 000$ ... it must be a joke, right? what dude will pay that a round sum for my education?

  if you know that dude - just give me his phone number 

To Jerra.

So, at least one man from the USA has visited you. Why didn't you marry him?

Do you expect that hordes of good foreign men will visit you every day for a single date?
I'm sure the man from the USA will think twice and hesitate for months before visiting another lady like you in vain.

If a man is a sex tourist and spends $2,000 for a trip, he can easily find as many $100 whores as he wants. Why would he deal with innocent ladies? It might worked 20 years ago when salaries in Russia were $50.

Here is a personal question.
Why do you study psychology like many other Russian women? It's worthless if you want to move abroad.

why you ask that?
undoubtedly we have some reason if we not married. marriage is not a joke. and it is evident from your speech what I'll married any man who come to Russia and spend 2000$ ?
by the way our relationship doesn't work. that was just one meeting!
I think maybe one reason it what he was young man by american standards for marriage. He was 23 y.o. He disappeared after some time he come back to America... So that is not my fault. Maybe he had no idea how much is it cost to bring RW in America as wife.

But he wasn't sex tourist of something... He seems really nice guy with similar interests and the same outlook on life and think in similar ways...

about psychology and philosophy...

because in Russian university exist such faculty and we have interested for study that. and of course in russia really a lot of college where teach that speciality.

Jerra.......it will be nice to hear your views on relationships between people from different cultures!!
Why is it that members here continue to give 'advise' to others without being asked to? Is it because they want to be heard or want to argue? I read 3 pages here debating where Jerra should be looking for a partner or what is best for her!!!! Jeez.....talk about poking and prodding...
I apologize if I missed something.....

thanks I am too i little bit surprised.