Best service to use to meet women?

[Viking456]

What service do you think is the best to use to meet foreign women? Particularly Ukrainian women but also Asian and other women.

I have been looking at LoveMe.com and it looks like a serious site. I am leaning towards using that one for a tour to Ukraine. But perhaps you know better or more cost effective ways to meet beautiful women.

[jeff9556]

I've seen you post about Asian women a few times and I wonder if you actually mean, more specifically, Thai women? I would strongly suggest you do your homework here my friend, Thai women are great but frankly they have a different concept of love that you might be accustomed to (if indeed you are seeking Thai women), so read up about this, it might surprise you and may change your mind. The mindset of SEA women is very different to Western women.

There are lots of sites, I have used RussianCupid (many scammers, lots of them, but also genuine women also), EM (lots of men, much competition) and mamba.ru (not so many speaking English). I would punt for mamba.

If you haven't been to Thailand then go there, this Winter, for at least a month, make some expat friends (not the sex tourist type, find good decent blokes) and met women through them. Believe me Thai women are easy to met, any club, bar or restaurant you can strike up conversations - lots speak English well enough to communicate.

[Kineo]

What service do you think is the best to use to meet foreign women? Particularly Ukrainian women but also Asian and other women.

I have been looking at LoveMe.com and it looks like a serious site. I am leaning towards using that one for a tour to Ukraine. But perhaps you know better or more cost effective ways to meet beautiful women.

Honestly Viking I would do a lot more reading here before I got involved with any agency. I don't think you will find may recommandation for loveme.com. Personally I could not see myself using these agencies.
 
-K
 

[Viking456]

I've seen you post about Asian women a few times and I wonder if you actually mean, more specifically, Thai women? I would strongly suggest you do your homework here my friend, Thai women are great but frankly they have a different concept of love that you might be accustomed to (if indeed you are seeking Thai women), so read up about this, it might surprise you and may change your mind. The mindset of SEA women is very different to Western women.

There are lots of sites, I have used RussianCupid (many scammers, lots of them, but also genuine women also), EM (lots of men, much competition) and mamba.ru (not so many speaking English). I would punt for mamba.

If you haven't been to Thailand then go there, this Winter, for at least a month, make some expat friends (not the sex tourist type, find good decent blokes) and met women through them. Believe me Thai women are easy to met, any club, bar or restaurant you can strike up conversations - lots speak English well enough to communicate.

Thanks for the advice.. Actually I'm not looking for Thai women on the first hand. More likely from some other country like the Philippines, China or even Indonesia. She'd need to be intelligent and preferably have some education. But first and foremost I am thinking about an eastern European women, for example from Ukraine.

[Viking456]

Honestly Viking I would do a lot more reading here before I got involved with any agency. I don't think you will find may recommandation for loveme.com. Personally I could not see myself using these agencies.
 
-K

Okay.. Loveme.com seems genuine from watching their TV shows e.t.c.. But yes I am interested in what this community thinks about the subject.

[ML]

Avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Instead go here:

 http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.

[Viking456]

Thansk for the list ML..

The reason I am thinking about a Loveme.com tour is that I get to meet women directly in Ukraine and that I don't have to do the online stuff.

One positive thing about doing the online thing is that is that it is possible to filter on education and English language abilities.

[Eduard]

Thansk for the list ML..

The reason I am thinking about a Loveme.com tour is that I get to meet women directly in Ukraine and that I don't have to do the online stuff.

One positive thing about doing the online thing is that is that it is possible to filter on education and English language abilities.

Wouldn't it make sense to ask for an opinion about the tour or any other service of somebody who actually took the tour or used the service? If I'm gonna hire a roofer I'll be sure to talk to some of his former clients, why wouldn't you do the same when setting out to find a wife?
I'm sure that there are members of RWD who took the AFA (loveme.com) tour, why not ask them about their experience before you commit?

[Kineo]

Wouldn't it make sense to ask for an opinion about the tour or any other service of somebody who actually took the tour or used the service? If I'm gonna hire a roofer I'll be sure to talk to some of his former clients, why wouldn't you do the same when setting out to find a wife?
I'm sure that there are members of RWD who took the AFA (loveme.com) tour, why not ask them about their experience before you commit?

+1
 
That is what I was trying to say!
 
-K
 

[Viking456]

Wouldn't it make sense to ask for an opinion about the tour or any other service of somebody who actually took the tour or used the service? If I'm gonna hire a roofer I'll be sure to talk to some of his former clients, why wouldn't you do the same when setting out to find a wife?
I'm sure that there are members of RWD who took the AFA (loveme.com) tour, why not ask them about their experience before you commit?

I would have hoped that someone with knowledge about Loveme.com could reply in this thread.

I did a search about Lovemen.com previously in this forum and didn't find any useful info, or anyone that seemed suitable to ask. I did a pretty quick search so might have missed something though.

[kmin]

I used freepersonals.ru with-in one week I was talking to 5 great woman.  I have now entered into a relationship with one of them and will be on my way to see her in January.

All 5 of the women I was corresponding with were real women there to meet a real guy.  Some were from Ukraine and some from Russia.

One great bonus is freepersonals.ru is completely free, so really you have nothing to loose.  There are also a number of Asian women on the site also if that is what you are looking for.

Note: when sending messages never us Hi, Hello, Hi there, or any other simple subject line.  The girls get those all the time.  Try to use something in the subject line to get there attention, you will find many more will read and reply to your message.

[Turboguy]

Stay away from the LoveMe (AFA) tour.  You will just waste money, time and set yourself up for disappointment.  There is only one good tour out there and it is one I would highly recommend but stay far away from LoveMe or AFA or Anastasia tours.  All you will meet is pro-daters and scammers.  I wasted a few years and $ 15,000- $ 20,000 or more figuring that one out.

[Eduard]

I would have hoped that someone with knowledge about Loveme.com could reply in this thread.

I did a search about Lovemen.com previously in this forum and didn't find any useful info, or anyone that seemed suitable to ask. I did a pretty quick search so might have missed something though.

Firstly make sure that you spell it correctly. Did you search for loveme.com or lovemen.com?(as in your post above). Also did you try searching for AFA or A Foreign Affair? It's the same company. You can also try contacting "dugger" on this forum. I know for a fact that he went on their tour about a year ago, he mentioned it in his post here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14136.msg282058#msg282058

[Turboguy]

I think if you do a search for AFA, the parent company you will find a lot of people who consider it to be one of the worst companies in the industry.  You will also find ones here and there who got lucky and found their mate with their service or their tour.   When it comes to agencies or sites the general rule most everyone here belives in is never use a site where you pay by the letter.  AFA and LoveMe are examples of sites that charge by the letter.

[Viking456]

Stay away from the LoveMe (AFA) tour.  You will just waste money, time and set yourself up for disappointment.  There is only one good tour out there and it is one I would highly recommend but stay far away from LoveMe or AFA or Anastasia tours.  All you will meet is pro-daters and scammers.  I wasted a few years and $ 15,000- $ 20,000 or more figuring that one out.

What tour is it that you recommend Turboguy?

Would be nice to go on a tour because everything's arranged with lots of girls to meet.

[Viking456]

Is this list trustworthy by the way?

http://marriageagencyscams.com/Goldlist.html

Seems like this Jim guy is someone who's been having sites like that for a long time. And his links to the agencies does not contain affiliate links.

ML, I might try UkraineDate.. I'm already a member there with an empty profile and sites driver by CupidMedia seems professionally operated. I sometimes get messages from girls but when I visit their profiles they are often deleted. So it seems to me that Cupid Media does their best to fight fake profiles.

[larisad]

Most of these sites mentioned here are not agencies but sites that aggregate together a database of women from their affiliates.  Their affiliates are marriage agencies from different cities.

If I were a man (happy I am not) and I was willing to use this system then I think I would choose a city, contact the agency directly, and work out an agreement to meet women.

It would cut out a hand or two that are anxious to make money off or your correspondence.

Frankly I think you can find good marriages have taken place through the worst of the sites.  You can also find less-than-honest situations have taken place through the best of sites.

Take any site you are anxious to send your money to, look at their affiliate page, pick the city you wish to visit, and contact the affiliate.

[ML]

Most of these sites mentioned here are not agencies but sites that aggregate together a database of women from their affiliates.  Their affiliates are marriage agencies from different cities.

Larisa, I have personally used many of the websites on my listing above.

NONE of them are agencies; they are dating websites.  There are no intermediaries.

They do not aggregate databases from affiliates.  They have no agency affiliates.
If a woman on these websites mentions agencies, payments needed, etc., the websites will  remove the woman's profile.

There are huge differences between agencies that have websites and dating websites.

The dating websites I have used on my listing above in no way get between the man and the woman.  All contact is direct between the man and woman.

Please don't confuse the men here by implying that the dating websites are just aggregates of agencies . . . they are not.


Here are the ones I have personally used

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/

[dugger]

I would recommend Ed's service www.realrussianmatch.com as a quick and effective way to go.

[larisad]

I respectfully disagree with you ML.  I do not question there are good agencies that have websites also and work directly with western men.  Though I do not have first hand experience with some of the sites you personally named, does not change the fact that the system I named exists and has existed since the mid 1990's.  I have worked with many of the companies over the years in just this capacity.

What should not be confused is thoughts of how to complete a process versus an individuals personal experience as wholesale advice or a complete understanding of the industry.

I think personal recommendations of an agency, service or site are strong and would help an individual make decisions.

[Vincenzo]

Would be nice to go on a tour because everything's arranged with lots of girls to meet.

I think that tours don't work psychologically.

Imagine that you go to a meeting with many girls at a night club. The tour organizers have invited many "contractors" who have to show up because of their contracts with the agencies.

There are also real women, who usually don't look like models and slightly older.

You meet the first model-looking "contractor". She says, "I adore you, be mine!"
You meet the second "contractor". She says immediately, "I love you!"

A real woman doesn't want to speak to the "traitor" and leaves.

The model-looking girls dump you after shopping sprees.

 

[Patagonie]

Most of these sites mentioned here are not agencies but sites that aggregate together a database of women from their affiliates.  Their affiliates are marriage agencies from different cities.

If I were a man (happy I am not) and I was willing to use this system then I think I would choose a city, contact the agency directly, and work out an agreement to meet women.

It would cut out a hand or two that are anxious to make money off or your correspondence.

Frankly I think you can find good marriages have taken place through the worst of the sites.  You can also find less-than-honest situations have taken place through the best of sites.

Take any site you are anxious to send your money to, look at their affiliate page, pick the city you wish to visit, and contact the affiliate.

Correct

affiliates sites are ready to pay to small agencies good money to put in theirs databases those locals profiles. So Larisa is right, better to aim directly the good city and reduce costs.

[ML]

I respectfully disagree with you ML.  I do not question there are good agencies that have websites also and work directly with western men. 

These ARE NOT agencies.  They are dating websites.  The man pays for a monthly membership (some are free) and he has unlimited contact with all the women registered.  There are no intermediaries who interfer with communication between man and woman.  There are no agencies allowed to post profiles of their women.  If the man hears from any woman about an agency connection, the man reports this to the website and those women's profiles are removed.

THEY ARE NOT AGENCIES!!!


http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/

[Turboguy]

What tour is it that you recommend Turboguy?

Would be nice to go on a tour because everything's arranged with lots of girls to meet.

There is one tour that I think is quite good.  I have been on it and I have seen a number of forum members who have been on it with consistanly good comments.   That is Jack Bragg's tour.  You can get information on it at www.firstdream.com.   Jack himself does participate in the forums with a user name of Nunya.  You could pm him if you want for more information.
 
His tours are done completly differntly than the big agency tours.  For one thing he limits his tours to 12 guys.  For another every man meets every woman.  Most importanly is how the women who come are picked.  They are most always sent by small agencies that know their women.  The balance are invited by the men. 
 
There is a TR here on my tour with Jack.  I went with my son and if you want to read about it I think if you do a search for Turboguy and Turbodude you will find the post.  It was back about 4 years ago.

[Turboguy]

I think that tours don't work psychologically.

Imagine that you go to a meeting with many girls at a night club. The tour organizers have invited many "contractors" who have to show up because of their contracts with the agencies.

There are also real women, who usually don't look like models and slightly older.

The model-looking girls dump you after shopping sprees.

I am curious Vincenzo if you have actually been on a big agency tour or if your comment is based on what you "think" they are like?   There is enough truth in what you say to make me think you may have been on one but some of your conclusions are a bit different than mine based on my 3 big agency tours.
 
I did not find that the agencies had invited "contractors" who must show up because of thier contract.  What I found was that the big agencies recruit the women by placing ad's in newspapers, notices on telephone poles and hotel lobbies, and free standing signs out on the street. 
 
Way back when women were desperate to leave the FSU tours were a great way to get married quick (and probably divorced quick).  They even had the immigration attourney along so you could get started right away. (in the case of AFA it was William, a former member here). 
 
Over time scammers and serial daters have discovered that on a big agency tour they have a room full of nieve, often wealthy men about 3/4 of which are making thier first trip to the FSU and the other 1/4 have only agency tours for experience.  You can substitute the word "Sucker" for nieve, often wealthy men if you want.  The women are about 1/2 attractive sexy serial daters and scammers and about 1/2 older not real attractive women.  The atmospere is not real good.  Women tend to feel like they are at a meat market as they stand there and the men look them over deciding which might be their future wife.
 
The tours I did were with European Connections who at the time were the biggest but who no longer do tours.  Everything about the tours between European Connections was similar.  The differnces were that EC did thiers in a meeting room where AFA and A-web do thiers in a night club and with EC you had a full time interpreter where with AFA and A-web you would go get an interpreter from the pool when you needed one.  I never liked that part since I was always talking to women and needed one full time.
 
Some guys do get really hooked on tours.  One of my tour buddies did 3 with EC then about 9 or 10 more with AFA.  He managed to "sponsor" a woman who he thought was his fiancee a few times but never did end up with a wife.  I think he has possibly given up now.