Websites determine the sincerity of the women? (split from a previous topic)

[Donna_Pedro]

The majority is still not all, and my original comment was that you were overgeneralizing.

ok, not all, but enough rw-am meet on MOB sites to point out certain similarities. Women who have profiles on MOB sites apriori want a better deal. MOB sites are designed to hook up AM with RW.  AM are rich by definition, even if they are not by local standards. So the whole point of this process is to make a good deal.

[GQBlues]

Deal?!?
 
Heck, it may not be too long now that Dutch men may go to FSU not because they search for their wives, but rather they need to expand their dinner menus. So FSUWs might want to start fattening up these days and become an aspiringly 'bigger, better deal'....
 

 

[jeff9556]

I tend to think most WM are pretty lazy in their pursuit or have limited time, therefor MOB suits them well. Bang up a profile, send some letters and viola, you are talking to RW. Free dating sites are more work, more screening, lots of approaches, you need better management of the whole process etc - some will be attracted to this but most are just too lazy IMO.

[jeff9556]

Deal?!?
 
Heck, it may not be too long now that Dutch men may go to FSU not because they search for their wives, but rather they need to expand their dinner menus. So FSUWs might want to start fattening up these days and become an aspiringly 'bigger, better deal'....

Actually I am concentrating entirely on finding an emaciated rake, a fatty will eat too much and destroy my ROI.

[Kuna]

This is true. Men make their deals too. I have met a number of good, sincere american  men, who would have nearly zero value on a local marriage market (because of their age, financial situation etc)  but managed to procure beautiful, educated, intelligent girls 10-20 years them younger in Russia (Ukraine) and ARE HAPPILY married! If this is not a deal, then what is?

Every relationship is a "deal" to some extent - but any man entering a relationship where the woman has expectations about his financial contributions to her lifestyle - ESPECIALLY EARLY IN A RELATIONSHIP - is asking for trouble IMHO.

The mechanics of a scam is based around a man sending/giving money to a woman because he thinks this is normal or OK to buy her attention.  It's not normal to buy a woman with gifts or cash - even if some men are doing it.  Some women expect it...  my advice to a newbie would be to avoid such women.



On the topic of Gators DIL - if men are trying to buy her affection and attention them they are the fools (or in some cases predators).  We ALL know some men that will try to use money to win a woman... this is their choice, and they should accept the consequences of their own actions.

Sure we could say she should give the gifts back - but if she wasn't asking for them or scamming the man doesn't he have to accept responsibility for being so foolish?

[Kuna]

I must say... I often chuckle when I read stories men put up about how they met their FSUW.

"Oh, I was just on holidays and we met on the beach at sunset."

"Oh, we didn't use an agency,  we used a RU dating site."

"Oh we met through a sister of a friend.  I called her at least 30 times before visiting her in RU - it was a really natural way to meet through friends."

"Oh, I just happened to be on a Russian chat site one night and I just happened to he contacted by this girl 30 years younger than me.... She was really mature for a 20 year old though."


I think many people on this journey try to legitimise their relationship (or the genesis of their relationship) to avoid looking like the stereotypical loser who is still an embarrassment to all of us in "real life."

In here we can appreciate each others desires and goals - out there in the real world many people still see us as predators, and our relationships as being often unequal and abnormal.

People try to legitimise their relationships because we KNOW there are some scumbags who are doing this for all the wrong reasons....

Let go... relax... enjoy the woman you found... treat her well... she'll treat you well...  if others don't approve they can go to hell - can't they?

[Muzh]

You're a shyt stirrer, aren't you? 

On an internet cafe? Is that a chatroom, what?

Way back when the days of Scanna et.al. (hard copy catalogs) there were literally thousands of mom and pop agencies which doubled as internet cafes. My wife's friend and co-worker told her about this internet cafe around the corner of the place she worked where she would get letters from guys from the West and it was a great way to practice their English. Many of the guys would send love letters, while others were not that gentleman-like. BTW, my wife and her friends had to pay for each of the emails they sent and received. That's how mom and pop made their money.

I contacted my wife after seeing her profile on this site. She said she was a doctor, single and her age. She wanted to "talk" with guys from the west. AND maybe, just maybe a relationship could be developed. Just like today's mamba and singles.ru, free. The three other coworkers who joined my wife on this site stayed in UA. One married a local guy and moved to Odessa and the other two decided to make the best out of their lives and have traveled all of Europe and are still single.

The place went out of business years ago.

I don't know how far back you go on this but, there was a site back in the late 90s that gathered all the links from places like this and cataloged them by paid or free; from Russia, UA, Belarus, etc. Also, the guys who maintained it injected their own commentaries on the sites they visited. It was called Russianwomenmegasite.com I guess you can say it was sort of a PLM forerunner. I'll tell you this, the free sites outnumbered the paid sites by far.

[Muzh]

I tend to think most WM are pretty lazy in their pursuit or have limited time, therefor MOB suits them well. Bang up a profile, send some letters and viola, you are talking to RW. Free dating sites are more work, more screening, lots of approaches, you need better management of the whole process etc - some will be attracted to this but most are just too lazy IMO.

Jeff, that is SO right on the money. It was right then and it is right now.

[Misha]

I must say... I often chuckle when I read stories men put up about how they met their FSUW.

"Oh, we didn't use an agency,  we used a RU dating site."

Well, in our case, that is how we met. I was using singles.ru However, my wife didn't want to say this when meeting people: the line was that we met at a cafe in her city. That was true as it was our first date, but she simply left our the russian dating site. Now, five years later, she doesn't care and has told her friends in Russia that we met online.

Let go... relax... enjoy the woman you found... treat her well... she'll treat you well...  if others don't approve they can go to hell - can't they?

People tend to be more cautious at first, but after a few years they worry less.

[Muzh]

Well, in our case, that is how we met. I was using singles.ru However, my wife didn't want to say this when meeting people: the line was that we met at a cafe in her city. That was true as it was our first date, but she simply left our the russian dating site. Now, five years later, she doesn't care and has told her friends in Russia that we met online.


People tend to be more cautious at first, but after a few years they worry less.

+1

[Faux Pas]

Way back when the days of Scanna et.al. (hard copy catalogs) there were literally thousands of mom and pop agencies which doubled as internet cafes. My wife's friend and co-worker told her about this internet cafe around the corner of the place she worked where she would get letters from guys from the West and it was a great way to practice their English. Many of the guys would send love letters, while others were not that gentleman-like. BTW, my wife and her friends had to pay for each of the emails they sent and received. That's how mom and pop made their money.

I contacted my wife after seeing her profile on this site. She said she was a doctor, single and her age. She wanted to "talk" with guys from the west. AND maybe, just maybe a relationship could be developed. Just like today's mamba and singles.ru, free. The three other coworkers who joined my wife on this site stayed in UA. One married a local guy and moved to Odessa and the other two decided to make the best out of their lives and have traveled all of Europe and are still single.

The place went out of business years ago.

I don't know how far back you go on this but, there was a site back in the late 90s that gathered all the links from places like this and cataloged them by paid or free; from Russia, UA, Belarus, etc. Also, the guys who maintained it injected their own commentaries on the sites they visited. It was called Russianwomenmegasite.com I guess you can say it was sort of a PLM forerunner. I'll tell you this, the free sites outnumbered the paid sites by far.

I see. So, you're cut from basically the same cloth as the rest of us?  It's quite okay to admit it although some continue with the denial 

The MOB stigma can be pretty daunting. My wife was very nervous as to how she would be perceived when our method of meeting came up in conversation. In the past I had already met and dated (some long, some short term) women from online back when the perception was, the only people that met online were pervs and predators. That was back in the day of chatrooms. Thus, most any online stigma had worn off for me by the time I had met my wife.

I just settled into the idea that if anyone had a problem with how I met any woman for date and romance, it was their problem not mine. I quit packing for quilt trips long ago.

When someone asks how my wife and I met, I am quick to point out, "we met online". About half of the inquisitions end there. For those other half that persist I go into detail about the dating site we met on and even extend further to those that want to know about the MOB. No shame in my game

[Muzh]

I see. So, you're cut from basically the same cloth as the rest of us?  It's quite okay to admit it although some continue with the denial 

LMAO

At the very beginning, when my wife got here, people who know me from work knew I went to Ukraine and brought my wife here on a K-1 visa. All the women, except one at the beginning, thought it was the most romantic thing they've ever heard. The lone woman was kind of upset because she had recently seen a TV exploit story of MOBs from the former Soyuz. She went ballistic and asked me if I was one of those who WENT to the FSU to BUY myself a woman. I told here that I wasn't one of those. I told her I picked up my wife from a catalog and made 4 easy installments of $49.95 (plus S&H) and she was delivered via UPS to my house. The woman changed colors once she realized how stupid she sounded.

My closest friends know the whole story, which is what I told you. When people asked how we met, I tell them "the internet." I have never heard back if she was an MOB. If my wife is present SHE will be the one telling the story. She'll begin by saying "He was lucky I was in a good mood."

As an aside, I know a few guys that hit the skids with their marriage. The usual; he cheats, she cheats, they fall out of love. They also know my story with my wife. I have told them that I'd be happy to advice them and help them out. Even my wife has said the same thing to them. No takers. I guess we know why. Still, they'll bitch they can't find any serious woman for a relationship. I think they enjoy their martyr status.

Oh, one more. A lady friend engineer who works with me complained of the same, she couldn't find a good guy. I looked at her in the eye and told her very seriously that it is a small world. Just look outside the box. She married a French guy last year. He looks like a nice guy so far.

[Donna_Pedro]

I told her I picked up my wife from a catalog and made 4 easy installments of $49.95 (plus S&H) and she was delivered via UPS to my house. The woman changed colors once she realized how stupid she sounded.

My husband is telling people he bought me for a herd of goats.

[ML]

My husband is telling people he bought me for a herd of goats.

I have taken a few FSUW to Turkey and Egypt.  When we return to her home area, I tell her family and friends that I was offered 3 camels  for her.
My reply was . . . I would never think of trading her for 3 camels.
Then a long  pause, followed by . . . I will  only trade her for 5 camels.
Not everyone thinks this is funny, but most do.