Is she moving too fast? wants me to call

[Avis]

Met my young man on Russiancupid (RussianEuro back then), chatted once, gave him my number the next time (he said he was surprised). That was back in 2009, we are happy together on a tropical island now


She just wants something more real than just emails, actually a good thing I think
One phone call will not empty your bank account, I don't think the scam technologies are that sophisticated in Russia anyway - we are not Nigeria

[JR]

paranoiawilldestroyya
 
We say that one of the biggest red flags is "no phone" ..........
So what would "here's my number, call me" be? a red flag? )))

[Kineo]

paranoiawilldestroyya
 
We say that one of the biggest red flags is "no phone" ..........
So what would "here's my number, call me" be? a red flag? )))

You said well!
 
-K
 

[Naren09]

I am a little confused after reading this thread :l

I just started my search for a Russian/Ukrainian woman (1 week ago) and obviously I have no idea what sites are legitimate and which are not.

I signed up on russiancupid.com and there are sooooooo many russian girls (it was really nice to see that). I "showed interest" in some 100 of them and I got a message in 2 hrs of it saying I need to upgrade to see the message. I did not upgrade but 1 hr later the woman had a "Gold" status and I was able to read her message. She gave me her personal email address and asked me to write to that. I just did and I am waiting for her response.

What do you guys think about that?

[ML]

Naren, you need to take the course: Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.

[Naren09]

Thank you Sir. The detailed response is much appreciated.
I signed up on singles.ru but most of the ladies don't speak English :/

How do you feel about these:

12kisses.com
Loveawake.com


Seems like ukrainedate.com is by the same owner as russiandate.com.

If you were to pick 1 paid website, which one will you pick?

Thanks again!

[ML]

I wouldn't pick just one.  These sites are at most $30 per month for unlimited contact with all the women.  If that is beyond your budget, you best stop now.

These are the 5 that I have the most experience with.  As I mentioned in first post, this takes a huge amount of time to do it right.  Sure you have to screen and screen  and screen to come up with what you  want, including English ability.  But English ability in there on all these websites including singles.ru.

Again, if you  don't have the time for performing a massive screening . . . then best stop now; because as this progresses, your time investment is going to be huge.

Same with your patience.  If you have little, then stop now.

Also, don't just throw out random website names here.  Check them out.  If they are truly monthly pay sites for unlimited contact (no pay per letter), then clearly state that so they can be added to the list.

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/

[Naren09]

"Also, don't just throw out random website names here.  Check them out.  If they are truly monthly pay sites for unlimited contact (no pay per letter), then clearly state that so they can be added to the list."



I am sorry, please explain how did you come to the conclusion that it's outside my budget? Is it wrong to be careful with your money??
And I am not throwing random names out there. These are the websites I came across and I have EVERY right to ask about them. Just because you have over 1000 posts does not mean you own this forum? Stop being a dick and don't say anything if you got nothing better to say.

One of the sites given by you "http://www.ukrainedate.com/" is the same one I mentioned "http://www.russiancupid.com"

I am not sure how much success you have had with your method (which you keep posting everywhere like it's the golden rule everyone must follow) but you really need to check your attitude.
You can come up with smartass remarks if you'd like but I done with your dumb ass.

[Patagonie]

"Also, don't just throw out random website names here.  Check them out.  If they are truly monthly pay sites for unlimited contact (no pay per letter), then clearly state that so they can be added to the list."



I am sorry, please explain how did you come to the conclusion that it's outside my budget? Is it wrong to be careful with your money??
And I am not throwing random names out there. These are the websites I came across and I have EVERY right to ask about them. Just because you have over 1000 posts does not mean you own this forum? Stop being a dick and don't say anything if you got nothing better to say.

One of the sites given by you "http://www.ukrainedate.com/" is the same one I mentioned "http://www.russiancupid.com"

I am not sure how much success you have had with your method (which you keep posting everywhere like it's the golden rule everyone must follow) but you really need to check your attitude.
You can come up with smartass remarks if you'd like but I done with your dumb ass.

Sarting from the scratch, your introduction is very short.
are you young, old, what is your earning per year ?
You seem to be young in the adventure, everybody had been young, even veterans, nothing wrong with this.
Perhaps it's time to spend two or three months reading this site, you will not loose your time. Just my 2 cents.

[Naren09]

Pat (hoping that's your nick)
I like to think I am young (28) and I feel pretty successful in life, pulling in 90ish a year
Yea the website is a good source but it can also be a little overwhelming. I am already spending hours reading stuff here.
I am going on a vacation and work trip to Europe in march an I will have 5 days off in April. So I was thinking about taking a trip to Ukraine since I don't need a visa and ticket is $315. You think it's a good idea?

Thanks!

[Daveman]

"Also, don't just throw out random website names here.  Check them out.  If they are truly monthly pay sites for unlimited contact (no pay per letter), then clearly state that so they can be added to the list."



I am sorry, please explain how did you come to the conclusion that it's outside my budget? Is it wrong to be careful with your money??
And I am not throwing random names out there. These are the websites I came across and I have EVERY right to ask about them. Just because you have over 1000 posts does not mean you own this forum? Stop being a dick and don't say anything if you got nothing better to say.

One of the sites given by you "http://www.ukrainedate.com/" is the same one I mentioned "http://www.russiancupid.com"

I am not sure how much success you have had with your method (which you keep posting everywhere like it's the golden rule everyone must follow) but you really need to check your attitude.
You can come up with smartass remarks if you'd like but I done with your dumb ass.

Uh, take the testosterone down a notch.  The dumb ass is actually passing you some pretty sound advice.. which as I read it was simply "check out the sites, if they are pay per letter sites then list them so we'll know".. 


The reason for that is pretty simple.. the pay per letter sites make their money on a high volume of letters. The letters you receive for your money aren't likely from the girl in the photo (the staff does the correspondence and the woman in the photo, if she really exists, unlikely knows that you even exist).


Newbies to tend to ask the same questions to which the dumb ass's canned response answers rather thoroughly.


If you really wanna piss him off, sneak his girl a couple loaves of bread...     Try not to read so much into these posts...

[Naren09]

lollllllll

testosterone is gonna go down naturally as I age =)

so as of now I have a different kind of strategy. I am on a few free sites and i got a bunch of spam replies which i figured out by the way the write and the contents of it. But I also got 3-4 good ones and I am just starting to talk to them. One of the girl I talked with (and got her number the first day) used to work at a dating agency. She told me how these websites make money outta you. On a free website I got nothing to lose as long as I am not sending them $.
I am 50-50 on my trip but it's either some other country or ukraine cause i get 5 days off while i am working in germany and i dont wanna just stay there 

[Anotherkiwi]

...I am 50-50 on my trip but it's either some other country or ukraine cause i get 5 days off while i am working in germany and i dont wanna just stay there

Why not?  Have you been there before?  IMHO, Germany is the most beautiful country in Western Europe, full of gorgeous girls who speak English (and quite a few are Russian or Ukrainian)!  You could be very pleasantly surprised if you just act like a tourist, or even if you try to arrange dates either before you get there or before your days off.
 
If you're only intending to go to Ukraine for (say) four days, allowing for travel time, you will need to have everything set and ready to fire as soon as you hit the ground.  You may not need a visa, but immigration and security at both ends of each flight could take hours.  If you're in one of the big German cities (Munich is my favourite) you can save all that hassle.
 
And, FWIW, don't go around Ukraine skiting about making 90K a year!  You will have an awful lot of young "ladies" suddenly wanting to be your very bestest friend, and you will never know if any of them are sincere.

[Patagonie]

Pat (hoping that's your nick)
I like to think I am young (28) and I feel pretty successful in life, pulling in 90ish a year
Yea the website is a good source but it can also be a little overwhelming. I am already spending hours reading stuff here.
I am going on a vacation and work trip to Europe in march an I will have 5 days off in April. So I was thinking about taking a trip to Ukraine since I don't need a visa and ticket is $315. You think it's a good idea?

Thanks!

I would advice you to go to Ukraine, choice first a trusty partner, and  come and date women for five days.
Additionnaly i would advice, when you have determined your partner and his location, to write to any women you like of this city on free sites or cheap sites. In five days you can aim only one city. Try to stick on your plan, else if you are going nowhere.
And you have to choose a big one, with possible air transportation (Kiev being the main hub).

By trusty partner i mean an agency (or several agency in the city) or a specialist.

You make good money so you will have no problem to pursue the adventure.
 

[Vasilisa]

Oh Boy!!!! Go find a nice sand box to play in cuz you're definately NOT ready for this playground.
Go to nobel.com, get a $20 calling card that costs two cents a minute and call already....or don't because you'll probably just blow it with paranoia.

I agree, how is this guy going to meet her if even a simple phone to another country call makes him shiver.

[lakecreek]

Hard to say as for language goes because my friend she is from Yekaterinburg, Russia and her English oral and written. She has a accent but overall good English and well spoken. All I can assume is she must learned English when she was real young otherwise I wouldn't understand her well. But as for this woman, she could be a scam. I just don't think any woman Russian or not will throw herself out there that fast especially if she is traditional.

[OmegaSupreme]

I am sorry, please explain how did you come to the conclusion that it's outside my budget? Is it wrong to be careful with your money??
And I am not throwing random names out there. These are the websites I came across and I have EVERY right to ask about them. Just because you have over 1000 posts does not mean you own this forum? Stop being a dick and don't say anything if you got nothing better to say.

One of the sites given by you "http://www.ukrainedate.com/" is the same one I mentioned "http://www.russiancupid.com"

I am not sure how much success you have had with your method (which you keep posting everywhere like it's the golden rule everyone must follow) but you really need to check your attitude.
You can come up with smartass remarks if you'd like but I done with your dumb ass.

It's always heartwarming when someone comes on here asking for advice and then becomes insulting when they receive it. I'll give you a little hint here, though....if you're getting this wound up about these posts, you're in the wrong pursuit. Russian and Ukrainian women are going to eat you alive.

[Mander]

I'll give you a little hint here, though....if you're getting this wound up about these posts, you're in the wrong pursuit. Russian and Ukrainian women are going to eat you alive.

Most definitely.

Just to make clear: russiancupid.com / ukrainedate.com are to my knowledge absolutely no scammer sites. I think this network is one of the better sites. Just like the others listed in this thread.
Sure, any site is loaded with scammers, but in this case there are a lot of normal women as well.

I would just thank her for giving out her phone number, maybe ask a few more questions by email (or not) and talk to her. At worst you will learn from it. At best, it will be reason for more talks.