scammed by yeva4u

[Vasilisa]

You have seen in this thread one RW say it is okay for FSUW to take advantage of you.  This sentiment is not rare in the FSU.  In fact there is a sense of entitlement.   It starts with, "Buy me a gift." "Why?" "Because I am beautiful."  It eventually becomes, "I am beautiful and you are overweight so it is okay for me to have sex with my fitness instructor."   Avoid these women.   There are plenty of FSUW  who do not behave this way.  They are direct and will demonstrate if they like you.  Some are wanting to marry a man like you.

Gator, I can see you have some sort of  experience here

You didn't mention one point: the girls can be mean, they can live with one man and meet with a foreigner at the same time. It doesn't show them as people with high moral values.

What kills me is the fact that people who are very far from being perfect themselves expect perfection and moral values in return and get mad when they realize that other people are not perfect.

[Vasilisa]

hi

so i came for the second time to there, and i met more friends of marina sherbak, id 14939481 mar'yana motuz
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now, to make a long story short, they play it smartthis is the tricky part of it
marina sherbak id 14925255, she go only out with you to expencive restaurants, she is never allone, whille she speaks perfectly english, she is telling to you that she has no money, but she will not accept it, but gues again, she plays on the feelings, like she has no money for internet, so you sent it to here, just out of pittyhere friend, who you have meet there also id 14939481

elizaveta oyarand, wants to communicate with you also, becouse you are dating with here best friend,so you are here friend also, and etc....
elizaveta,oyarand, she play's further on the feelings, a week, before i come to ukraine, to celebrate mine b-day with them (for the 3th time, so stuppid i was, that i didn't had tru) she came online, after a sillence of 2 months, on that site, and asked to see me, becouse she misses me, and etc.... after a couple letters and a videochat, i lost more money, becouse she wanted to come to mine place, and wanted to be with me, and all that other crap, and i believed here, but when i was telling to here, she was crying (something what ukrainian girls are good in) and telling that she needed the money before tuesday the 28th, whille i was coming the 29th. asking to here, if it was not posible to do it together, but again she needed it before that day, or she loose here papers.
i sended that money, not knowing that the money was ment to go to a bustrip to italie, instead to come to mine country.
so annyway, the girls are reall, if you see the videochatsign, but i doubt that they are serieus

Read this post.
Do you see any serious intentions from the man's side?!

Did Marina Sherbak know you were sending money to Elizaveta, too so she would have fun with you in your place?  Or the fact that you sent money to Marina meant that you live with other girls at the same time, but you expected for Marina to be honest and perfect?

PS: if you want to have a great relationship and find a good person  start with yourself an be a good person yourself and treat people the way you want to be treated, it will not automatically mean you will not get in trouble, but it will improve your chances on finding a good girl.

[Faux Pas]

Come on. If they had been professionals they would have played their roles of "serious women in love" in a better way without feeding a bunch of friends to make the potential husbands mad, they would have been sitting in the aiport with flowers and tears on their eyes, persuade the men they are not interested in their money at all, but what they are doing are trying to save their money.

It would appear to me, that they played their roles very well. The agency was soaking him every day for videochat, terp fees and letter opening. He made visits to an insincere and not serious woman/girl. They housed him in a $70 a night dump, bought drinks and meals for all their friends. These are scammers, this is what they do. Oh no, quite successful they were I'd say. I'm not as capable as you of excusing the behavior of these leeches. They did their job so well on his third trip he went to the same agency, but for another girl and wound up with the first floozies as well. Where did they fail? 

I know, but what were the girls for him?! Fiancees?! All of them at the same time?! 
It was not the first visit, he visited them all for the second time.

To me it doesn't sound like he had feelings towards any of them, so what were they for him?! Entertainment?!
But they entertained him , he had fun with a lot of beautiful girls.


You always pay for fun: when you go to an amusement park you pay, when you go to a circus you pay, when you get a massage you pay.

They entertained him, he paid.

What is he complaining about? What he expected prostitution or something, or was he going to marry all of them at the same time?! Then he was cheating, because he couldn't have married more than one but he expected the same serious attitude towards himself from all of them.

Summary: both sides are dirty.

Try to read the meaning in his broken English. It's not his first language and admitting isn't very good but, it is understandable. Vasilisa, you are only reading and understanding what you wish, instead of the complete context for the sake of declaring these scamming methods as acceptable. They are not. This agency and these girls are no different than a thug who will knock you in the head and take your money on the street. They just have different methods.

The OP has made is relatively clear that his agency time and the first two trips were for one girl. His only interest was her. At her insistence and the insistence of her friends did he spend agency time and then personal time with the other girls. Not his, theirs. Now read what he was saying again and see if you can discern what he is really stating. I realize English isn't your first language either so you have the benefit of the doubt. You strike me as a decent, disciplined woman based on your posts. I hope you are only misunderstanding the OP as opposed to supporting and cheering this agency's and these girls actions. 

[Vasilisa]

Faux Pas, I know the girls are far from perfection and they are scammers, there's no doubt in that, but what about the man who sends  money to several girls at the same time inviting one to live with him and wants to see  moral values from all of them  in return?! How about he gets some?! Or you can buy moral values or replace moral values with money?!
What is the point of your post?! To persuade OP that he is a great man, he has done everything in a right way, let's just blame the agency and the girls on everything, just keep on going to Ukraine, meet several girls per visit every time, send money to everybody and sleep with different girls at the same time and the right one will understand and appreciate that?!

Ok, I am not perfect and I hope  I have some moral values, but even if I met and liked the OP at first if I knew about all this past I'd probably be very dissapointed and didn't want to have anything with him anymore.

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pas, I know the girls are far from perfection and they are scammers, there's no doubt in that, but what about the man who sends  money to several girls at the same time inviting one to live with him and wants to see  moral values from all of them  in return?! How about he gets some?! Or you can buy moral values or replace moral values with money?!

No doubt that man is a cad and a scoundrel. However, this isn't what the OP did. If you would read the meaning of his posts instead of twisting his broken English, you would understand that. The girls, in the interest of scam and noticing cash machine Bruttus injected themselves into that cash flow at the insistence of his intended women.

His crime, is being inexperienced and naive yet, you do not see that and wish to paint him with a worse brush than the women who scammed him. You're wrong here Vasilisa and I was hoping you would see that 

[The Natural]

On offering some words of help to Bruttus, I would advice listening to a couple of "old-timers", Faux Pas and Gator. Faux Pas has helped me personally avoid a scammer early on and although I don't know anyone here personally and don't remember most times what nick said what, I do pay attention to what he says.
 
And when Gator write this, you just have to love the guy:
 

I guess you had a bad sinking feeling upon realizing that you were taken for a ride.  You felt pity for yourself, and then you became angry.  This is where you are now, trying to get some revenge.  You need to get over this soon. 

Feeling anger against the agency and the women does not help.  You will not progress beyond this until you feel sadness (not anger) towards the women who duped you.  They were the people who sold out to the black side of human nature.   They will perhaps never be punished and could go on to make a lot of money.  Yet think about what they are missing in life by not embracing the good side of human nature and instead corrupting their values.
 

What goes around comes around!

[Vasilisa]

His crime, is being inexperienced and naive yet, you do not see that and wish to paint him with a worse brush than the women who scammed him. You're wrong here Vasilisa and I was hoping you would see that 

His crime is that he wanted sex, heard they have some pretty and cheap girls in Ukraine where he could go without any visa  that would  be ready to give him some and it didn't work this way because the agency and the girls turned out to be smarter.
We both are around the same age, the girls are a lot younger,my father cound distinguish a bad girl from a good girl at the age of 25 and has been married to my mom for more than 30 years, if you keep on having serious intentions about the girls and keep on writing and calling after the first visit I'd call this a relationship and any 14 year old girl would say that if he boy friend sends money to another girl to stay with him that's not good  and the OP is all naive and young and doesn't see obvious things, it is not something that you get with experience. You either have moral values or you dont have them, he doesn't, why is he expecting  them in return?
I am done with that. Period

[Krassie]

There is a good Russian saying: if you try to catch two rabbits, you catch none.
That's what had happened in this case.
You were chasing two girls, and the result is ZERO.  Don't get mad because it was your  fault.
If a man  sees a pretty girl in the picture in a short skirt and high heels and lots of make up, very often his upper head stops functioning.... and he is in trouble.  Very often appearance and personality are different.  In a long distance relationship it's better to spend enough time communicating on skype  before meeting a person face to face. You need to pay attention to the slightest details and use your mind more than emotions.
Scammers and prodaters are everywhere: in every country and in every part of the world.   

[Faux Pas]

His crime is that he wanted sex, heard they have some pretty and cheap girls in Ukraine where he could go without any visa  that would  be ready to give him some and it didn't work this way because the agency and the girls turned out to be smarter.
We both are around the same age, the girls are a lot younger,my father cound distinguish a bad girl from a good girl at the age of 25 and has been married to my mom for more than 30 years, if you keep on having serious intentions about the girls and keep on writing and calling after the first visit I'd call this a relationship and any 14 year old girl would say that if he boy friend sends money to another girl to stay with him that's not good  and the OP is all naive and young and doesn't see obvious things, it is not something that you get with experience. You either have moral values or you dont have them, he doesn't, why is he expecting  them in return?
I am done with that. Period

Wow! You gleaned that from his posts? Please point it out to me because I missed it. 

The OP, I am relatively sure could have bought and paid for sex in Belgium 100 times over for his invested time and expense at Yeva and another 100 times covering his 3 trips to Ukraine. Nobody needs to travel to Ukraine to have sex. It is readily available in most places. Maybe your father is just a smarter man than the average Belgian or bruttus isn't as sharp as the average Belgian. It makes no difference. His heart was throbbing for Marina (I believe was her name), she insisted he pay and communicate to her friends. He complys. That doesn't make him a pervert. He wanted her, not her friends. In his zest for her, he accepted the friends. Stupid move maybe. Perv?, nah. bruttus was nothing more than inexperienced meat to piranahs in the water.

You've formulated your conclusion and now try to manufacture facts to reach that conclusion. It doesn't wash. 

On offering some words of help to Bruttus, I would advice listening to a couple of "old-timers", Faux Pas and Gator. Faux Pas has helped me personally avoid a scammer early on and although I don't know anyone here personally and don't remember most times what nick said what, I do pay attention to what he says.
 

Ah gee thanks Roy! I am quite remarkable aren't I?

Kidding!, Just kidding

 

[The Natural]

Ah gee thanks Roy! I am quite remarkable aren't I?

Kidding!, Just kidding

 

Oh, but you are, my friend, at least in my book. Why not give credit where credit is due, and I'm not even an American saying this, which is really remarkable, haha.

[Vasilisa]

. Nobody needs to travel to Ukraine to have sex. It is readily available in most places. 

Really?!
Then how could all that happen?
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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/russia-and-its-neighbors/090608/sex-tourism

"KIEV, Ukraine — In the early summer evenings you see them individually and in groups: foreign men, of all ages and nationalities — ex-Soviet, European, North American, Middle Eastern and African. They sit in the outdoor cafes that adorn Kiev’s winding central streets, or patrol about the main Independence Square like guerrilla squads. At night they pack the discos and restaurants and bars.

Some of them study and work here. Others have come to take in the architecture, history and museums of this breathtaking Eastern European capital, or are on their way to a vacation in one of the picturesque outlying towns.

Many, however, have a less exalted purpose in mind: to meet women. And the more the better.

It’s called sex tourism, and the practitioners “sex pats” — a play on the word expat or expatriate. The phenomenon is all-too-common throughout the world, including in South America, Asia and Africa. (Is there a global phenomena for female sex tourism?)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_tourism
"Sex tourism is travel to engage in sexual activity with prostitutes. The World Tourism Organization, a specialized agency of the United Nations, defines sex tourism as "trips organized from within the tourism sector, or from outside this sector but using its structures and networks, with the primary purpose of effecting a commercial sexual relationship by the tourist with residents at the destination".[1]

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http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/29364/
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Aug 6, 2008 at 20:04 | Mark Rachkevych Good-looking women can be a country's greatest attraction. But they can also bring unwelcome attention. This seems to be the case in Ukraine, which is becoming a prime European destination for sex tourists.



Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/29364/#ixzz1pyHjnuQL"

[Gator]

You [Vasilisa] strike me as a decent, disciplined woman based on your posts.

Vasilisa,

I agree with FP.  In fact, I like the spirited attitude that you have shown in this thread.  Go girl!

If I understand your point, you disfavor the OP because he was hoping to see two women.  You are not alone.  The RW who are hoping that their foreign correspondent is a special man dislike (justifiably so) when a man comes into town with a list of women to meet and juggle.   Some women don't want to talk about the possibility, never ask, and reluctantly accept this possibility as the way the "game" works. 

Was the OP a two-timer?  I may be misreading Brutus's remarks, yet it seems that the second woman, Elizaveta, only contacted him because she hears from her friend that he is coming to Ukraine.   Why would the second woman go behind the back of her friend and try to cut in?  I assert friends do not do this.  Elizaveta heard from her friend that Brutus is a personal ATM machine and that he is coming to town.  It is clear that the two of them planned this only to encourage a week of dining and whatever else they could talk Brutus into doing.   Brutus never said how many bottles of French perfume he bought them.  
 
Maybe Brutus did fantasize about a menage a trois.  Why not, as this is the most common sexual fantasy of inexperienced men.   Even if true,  does that change anything substantively?   
 
We do know Brutus is naive and admits to being inexperienced with women.  He perhaps would be ecstatic just with heavy petting and a thought that a woman loves him.   He did say he never got kissed, yet he spent all of his time with these women.  I assert they took advantage of his ignorance and innocence.   They played him.  A sex tourist wants more than a kiss and would have recognized that the girls would never have sex with him.  A sex tourist anwould have called another woman or called one of the heavily advertised escort business.  Instead, Brutus lingered and kept spending his money.  Why he did that eludes me.   He is not a sex tourist.

From the little that I know about you Vasilisa, I would guess that if you had a date with Brutus and did not like him, you would not have a second date.  And if you did like him and had a second date, there would be some affectionate sign from you, a sign that Brutus could not miss.  I am not talking about sex, but maybe a kiss on his cheek at the right moment.  In contrast, these two dyevs never kissed him or touched him, but gladly spent his money.  Now who is the unworthy person!
 
You wrote "...my father cound distinguish a bad girl from a good girl at the age of 25 and has been married to my mom for more than 30 years..."    This was my number one criterion I listed in another thread about how to avoid  women with psychological problems.  One can never understate the value of a functional happy family to a child.
 

[noelscot]

Brutus,
 
I will write you a long explanation to help you, not to get revenge but to become a  stronger man and thereby even more attactive to RW.

I guess you had a bad sinking feeling upon realizing that you were taken for a ride.  You felt pity for yourself, and then you became angry.  This is where you are now, trying to get some revenge.  You need to get over this soon. 

Feeling anger against the agency and the women does not help.  You will not progress beyond this until you feel sadness (not anger) towards the women who duped you.  They were the people who sold out to the black side of human nature.   They will perhaps never be punished and could go on to make a lot of money.  Yet think about what they are missing in life by not embracing the good side of human nature and instead corrupting their values.
 
There are charlatans (deceitful people selling you something) all over the world.  They prey on innocent victims.  These "bad" people use bait to attract their victims.  The bait is typically an opportunity to achieve a much higher return than normal on your investment:

-  Double your money in two years in real estate. 

-  Invest in a hedge fund that produces 25% per year returns.

-  Earn $100,000 fee for helping a prince in Nigeria expatriate his inheritance.

 
The common element is the innocent person's greed to obtain unrealistic returns on investment.  The unrealistic expectation does not need to involve money such as these two examples:
 
-   Take special pills and your penis will grow 10 cm longer in one month.

 
-   Go to Ukraine and just for being a "good man" a  beautiful young woman will fall in love with you. 
 

Here is the kicker.  These charlatans have no remorse.  They believe you are stupid and greedy, and as a stupid greedy person you deserve to be scammed.  In fact these bad people believe they are clever, and they brag about what they do.  They don't care about you and they never will. 

Good people do not understand it, yet it is the  greed (unrealistic expectations) of good people that gets them into trouble.   Blame only yourself.

When you date a woman in Belgium, she will like you or not like you.  If she does not like you, she will not want to see you again.  When you date a woman in the FSU, some of the women operate by different rules.   They may have a boyfriend and thus can not be serious with you.  Or they simply may not like you.  However, this does not stop them from dating you again and again and spending your money (and taking your limited time).  Some women do this just for entertainment with their friends.  Others work you to receive gifts.  Some will get a commission.

You have seen in this thread one RW say it is okay for FSUW to take advantage of you.  This sentiment is not rare in the FSU.  In fact there is a sense of entitlement.   It starts with, "Buy me a gift." "Why?" "Because I am beautiful."  It eventually becomes, "I am beautiful and you are overweight so it is okay for me to have sex with my fitness instructor."   Avoid these women.   There are plenty of FSUW  who do not behave this way.  They are direct and will demonstrate if they like you.  Some are wanting to marry a man like you.

Don't want to derail the thread, but I did run into some professional daters in Ukraine. You can bleed money in Ukraine. There are also some of what James Cain called Irrawaddy cobras in his novel, DOUBLE INDEMNITY, slithering around Ukraine. If you try to be a "gentleman,".... lol

I had the weirdest experience with one lady on a date, though. (Maybe it wasn't a date, upon reflection.) It was time to pay schot, and she starts pulling out her wallet! I supposed she thought we were "just friends," not romantic. I payed for the meal, regardless, but the gesture was appreciated. Who knows what the hell these women are thinking some times, which reminds me of a joke:

A man was a really outstanding Christian, and one day God's voice boomed down and said, "You've been a really good person. Ask me for one thing, and I shall make it so." The man lived in Cuba, but did a lot of charity work in Miami. The man asked God, "I'd like a huge bridge built from here to Miami, Lord." God responded, "It's too much. Ask for something else." The man thought for a moment, then asked God, "Lord, help me to figure out what these women are thinking." God responded, "Do you want a two-lane or a four-lane bridge to Miami?" 

[Gator]

Gator, I can see you have some sort of  experience here

Oh yes, I purchased a bottle of perfume for a woman who probably had no interest in me yet flirted with me as if I were something special.  I was special, indeed, a living ATM machine.    If you do this once and afterwards get an impersonal goodnight kiss, you don't do it again.  Then you meet a sincere woman who behaves the opposite, asks for nothing, yet is near, very near, and when you kiss her she shudders ......
 
Then I spend three hours in the Moscow airport with a tranlator-driver. You are there to meet a RW for the first time and her plane is late.  The driver is bored and asks questions.  He starts telling stories about RW and stupid Americans.  He is trying to help, but he is painting a black picture.  One example, he takes a man to the airport to meet his date, and she shows up without a coat and it is below freezing.  They stop on the way to the apartment to buy her an expensive coat.   On her return trip she has a new piece of luggage and it is heavy.   Three hours of such stories are enlightening. 

BTW, when my "date" arrived, he beamed, exclaiming that she is a real "Russian flower."  He told me after 30 minutes that she was a good woman (she spoke no English so he spoke freely, telling me that I was a lucky man).  She left 5 days later with a new cell phone, something I was very pleased to give her.  That woman was my Cossack woman, very dear to me today.
 
Unlike some other RW I met, my Cossack woman never told me it was okay if I had another girl on the side.  She told me the opposite.  She had a bad experience with such and did not want to enter that river again.

I always questioned RW who say that it is normal for men to cheat, as if it means they are allowed to cheat too.  If the Cossack woman catches me looking at a pretty woman, she gives me some hell, even if my looking was one of those involuntary body functions.  If an attractive man smiled at her, she would sneer and otherwise ignore him.
 
Yes, after 10 years I have some experience.   Some of it was unfortunate.  Such is life.  The most sweeping generalization I can say is that everyone is different.

[Faux Pas]

Really?!
Then how could all that happen?

Excuse me. I was not aware that everyone going to Ukraine is a sex tourist. BTW, Ukraine isn't the only place people travel to for sex, both men and women. Most people needn't travel at all but I digress. Please Vasilisa, stick to the facts presented. It would appear trying to explain to you this situation with bruttus is like nailing Jello to a tree. He is not without fault in his misfortune. I never said that he was. However, he isn't the one with bad intentions in it either. 

[bruttus]

I know, but what were the girls for him?! Fiancees?! All of them at the same time?! 
It was not the first visit, he visited them all for the second time.

To me it doesn't sound like he had feelings towards any of them, so what were they for him?! Entertainment?!
But they entertained him , he had fun with a lot of beautiful girls.


You always pay for fun: when you go to an amusement park you pay, when you go to a circus you pay, when you get a massage you pay.

They entertained him, he paid.

What is he complaining about? What he expected prostitution or something, or was he going to marry all of them at the same time?! Then he was cheating, because he couldn't have married more than one but he expected the same serious attitude towards himself from all of them.

Summary: both sides are dirty.

nope, i was comming for 1 girl, id 14925255, only here, and no1 else
in the meantime, i met here other friends, the first time here best friend, and when i came for the second time, there was a other girl, also a friend, and a young couple
all that time, you can see that as entertainment, but on mine side it isn't

about youre post that marina sherbak knew that i was sending money to elizaveta oyarand, the answer is yes
that was for me the reason to let marina know that she can trust me, that i don't do it behind here back, and the best part is, that all th money, that i have sended to elizaveta, went tru marina, so if i sended money to elizaveta, i had to send it to marina, so marina could give here that money

i see that some people are understanding how i was beiing treated the wholle time
its not about the appartment that costed me 70 usd a day, it was why should i rent an appartment for 70 usd a day, if there was no anny affection (not sex) from here side.
it was everytime, get ready, and we go to that restaurant, and honnestly, if you let a men rent an appartment, she can stay a bit, and watch tv together ( i'm not saying having sex) and after that she can go home
i'm a coock, so i can make dishes, but how you turn it around, i came only for that one girl, the rest i accepted as friends, not more

[Vasilisa]

Yeah, bruttus, it sounds about right, very different from the first post but right.

Gator, thank you, you sound like a decent guy

[ECOCKS]

Excuse me. I was not aware that everyone going to Ukraine is a sex tourist. BTW, Ukraine isn't the only place people travel to for sex, both men and women. Most people needn't travel at all but I digress. Please Vasilisa, stick to the facts presented. It would appear trying to explain to you this situation with bruttus is like nailing Jello to a tree. He is not without fault in his misfortune. I never said that he was. However, he isn't the one with bad intentions in it either.

It's good that more women get on here and participate in the discussion, it presents an abject lesson for the men as to how POV differences and situational ethics are a different kettle of fish in the FSU.

It's ironic that a country/region/whatever which tried so hard to sell the concept that the needs of the individual were subordinate to those of the state managed to produce 250 million people that are so preoccupied with getting their due in life. When I hear the twisting of the situations and definitions to meet a preconception I cannot help but think of the restaurant "fusion" craze as they selectively apply labels and somehow meld chauvinism, materialism and entitlement into this somewhat unique worldview.

It's life imitating art on a huge scale.

[Daveman]

...
i see that some people are understanding how i was beiing treated the wholle time
...

Of course *most* everyone understands they are scammers, the site is a scam, etc.  And as Sandro mentioned way up thread, that site has been on the radar for some time.


We do appreciate your confirmation and warning.


There's no need to go 'round and 'round trying to justify your actions.  The point is that the lesson is not only "look at the bad scammers and how the treated me".. but also take a look at yourself and give some serious thought to what *you* did that allowed yourself to be in that situation.  One of the foundations of RWD is that each individual is ultimately responsible for his/her own situation.  So learn from this - not only "yeva4u is a scam agency" or even "avoid bad people", though that *is* a good point to keep in mind, but also what you could have done differently and how could you have recognized the situation earlier, what your gut instinct told you and how you rationalized that warning away...  if you merely cast blame and ignore your part in fostering events, history can or will repeat itself.

[bruttus]

well, if you wanna know how much i lost to them
and look at you re own Valida, because i don't know about the USD and the grayer
from June 2010 (when i was starting sending letters and videochat to them) to august 2010 (in Sept, i came to visit marina for the first time), i lost a total of 8000 euro
this was only at yeva, so i haven't met those girls
if i put the amount of what i lost in total from 1.5y, i will be looked as a greedy guy, who counts his money
but never the less, count the amount of 8000 euro with it + all the things that i payed for mine airplanetickets, apartment, hotel, the restaurants etc..., and please don't look at me as a greedy bastard, but i counted it out, is about 14000 euro

[Doll]

I know, but what were the girls for him?! Fiancees?! All of them at the same time?! 
It was not the first visit, he visited them all for the second time.

To me it doesn't sound like he had feelings towards any of them, so what were they for him?! Entertainment?!
But they entertained him , he had fun with a lot of beautiful girls.


You always pay for fun: when you go to an amusement park you pay, when you go to a circus you pay, when you get a massage you pay.

They entertained him, he paid.

What is he complaining about? What he expected prostitution or something, or was he going to marry all of them at the same time?! Then he was cheating, because he couldn't have married more than one but he expected the same serious attitude towards himself from all of them.

Summary: both sides are dirty.

True

[ECOCKS]

well, if you wanna know how much i lost to them
and look at you re own Valida, because i don't know about the USD and the grayer
from June 2010 (when i was starting sending letters and videochat to them) to august 2010 (in Sept, i came to visit marina for the first time), i lost a total of 8000 euro
this was only at yeva, so i haven't met those girls
if i put the amount of what i lost in total from 1.5y, i will be looked as a greedy guy, who counts his money
but never the less, count the amount of 8000 euro with it + all the things that i payed for mine airplanetickets, apartment, hotel, the restaurants etc..., and please don't look at me as a greedy bastard, but i counted it out, is about 14000 euro

You're not greedy.

First of all, 95% of Russians haven't a clue how to use the word "greedy". It's even worse than the way they try to talk about things being "pity". So, don't sweat ignorant people trying to label you when they don't know how to use a given word in the first place.

Second, nothing wrong with counting the cost and determining your own measures of efficiency. It's a part of normal people assess risk and determine value. Again, the people likely to comment on it are by and large completely in the dark as to what it takes to live more than a few days ahead of the paycheck.

You're coming off your anger after striking back out (I hope) so consider what you learned, do some more research and decide whether you want to ride a horse from this corral or not. If you do, look for better websites and make some contacts as you plan your next vacation or two.

Best of Luck!

[BdHvA]

but never the less, count the amount of 8000 euro with it + all the things that i payed for mine airplanetickets, apartment, hotel, the restaurants etc..., and please don't look at me as a greedy bastard, but i counted it out, is about 14000 euro

There is nothing wrong with counting YOUR money.

But I wonder at a rate of of almost 1,000 € per month did you not sense that something was wrong after say six months?

With the funds you spent you had multiple options; hire a wingman to help you in your quest; find a casino where the odds were equal or better; use the services of an escort who if you ask in the right way will share her insights to her city and give you some relief (not only of your money)

I am not advocating any option above, just wondering where was your common sense?

[bruttus]

yes, i was getting suspicious, when i was there for the 3 weeks, and when i came back
i was asking questions, and like usual, and like some woman here on this forum, i was selfish, it was mine fault, etc.....
but still they told me some story, and i believed them again
that all because i liked marina, and believed here lies

[Misha]

His crime is that he wanted sex

If that is a crime all men are criminals