scammed by yeva4u

[Gator]

Faux Pas, bruttus is a great person, he has one everything in a right way, bruttus, don't listen to us, we are bad , just keep on going to Ukraine, you will help to improve the economical situation in the country.

I keep getting the impression that you think Brutus is a "sinnerman."  I don't think him a bad man, but a sad man for being so gullible as to waste nearly $20,000 (if his story is true).  I do know that RW do not respect gullible men.  RW want a strong savvy man who is not foolish with money.  RW do not want a man-child.

There is one aspect of Brutus that I like.  He has the confidence to tell his story even though it makes him appear so foolish. Not many men can do that.  Most men run away with their tail between their legs.   

[LAman]

If you go to Las Vegas , stay in an expensive room of Bellagio, go to casino , play and lose will you go complain about scam, include your plane tickets and the cost of living in the hotel in scam, too?! No, because you wanted to have fun  and you got fun, the problem is that you didn't get all fun you had expected, but that's life, you can't always be the winner, that's not the reason to blame all people around for that, learn the lesson and move on. If you can't admit the fact that you can't always be the winner don't play at all.

I use this analogy all the time, even betting on horse racing. It is a gamble, the more knowledge and resources, the better the chances.

[Eduard]

I keep getting the impression that you think Brutus is a "sinnerman."  I don't think him a bad man, but a sad man for being so gullible as to waste nearly $20,000 (if his story is true).

Brutus is no different from about 75% of the men who contact me inquiring about my services. Most of them had spent between $15K and $35K and made 2 to 5 trips to Ukraine BEFORE they found my web site, and off course they where using the same old agencies that we all learned to love and admire 

[Gator]

Gator, i'm sorry but your words are very degrading. What are we,  some equipment for guys to gain experience? This is offensive.

"Piece of equipment" indeed sounds offensive.

Brutus had trouble with Belgian women (whom he met) because IIRC they play games, are not serious, and are not available when he is not working.  I guess as a baker he must work at night so the pastries and bread are fresh in the morning.

If Brutus were to find some sincere RW with a reputable agency, maybe their schedule would allow him to Skype when he is available.  My experience is that  RW are direct in expressing what is on their mind, and that  differ from his local women.

It would probably not progress quickly at first, but he could learn from his conversations.  Over time, maybe he could develop a friendly relationship with a RW.  He is not that far away, so maybe they could meet.  However, if he gets involved again with a shark, he would suffer. 
 
I was not thinking about sexual relations, just in case this is what you inferred.  Baby steps.
 
 

[Gator]

Most of them had spent between $15K and $35K and made 2 to 5 trips to Ukraine BEFORE they found my web site, and off course they where using the same old agencies that we all learned to love and admire 

Shocking!  And people wonder how Anastasia Web, yeva4u, et al saty in business.

[Eduard]

Shocking!  And people wonder how Anastasia Web, yeva4u, et al saty in business.

they suck them in by offering a cheap monthly rate which off course doesn't include opening letters and webcam chats. Then by the time a guy makes a trip to Ukraine to meet the girl who only finds out about him a couple of days before his arrival he is down about $8K.  By the time he makes 3-4 trips and starts realising what's what and that he had been sold a fantasy he is down about $20 + K At this time he starts googling and doing lots of research and finds forums like this or a service like mine.

[LAman]

 
Do you really believe thse two girls did nothing wrong? 

To encourage a man to spend $20,000, they surely had to fuel his fantasy.  They had to give him hope during those many video calls.  This is deceit, and it is dishonest.  It is wrong in my book.

There are names for this:   con, scam, grift, hustle, bunco, swindle, flimflam, gaffle, bamboozle...  It is a swindle.  IIn legal terms it is fraud, punishable as a crime dependent upon some factors.

I realize that you are from a culture where deceit and corruption are prevalent.  Perhaps those who are good at deceit are admired in your birth culture as being very clever.   However, you have resided in  America for many years.  I really would like to know your opinion.   
 
 
 

Gator...were you there to know what was said? His ' fantasy' was to find a women interested in him, unfortunately, he had to pay for this 'fantasy'. I do not see what was illegal.......was it the amount spent?
I don't remember reading that girls asked for money....only to pay for entertainment(video). Where does the fault lie there? Who is in control?
Maybe it is okay with you if a girl only gives hope to a guy and he only spent a few hundred?
There are many instances at home where there are businesses/sellers trying to convince you to buy this or that or maybe a repair, a used car, or maybe even some stock. Is this all fraud? I know many are dishonest, part of a problem of a money hungry capitalist society.
One last point. the OP did not come here for help, he came here to warn others about being scammed by site without giving much thought about his own actions.

[Vasilisa]

 
Do you really believe thse two girls did nothing wrong? 

To encourage a man to spend $20,000, they surely had to fuel his fantasy. 

Goddness, Gator, you could have become the President of the US having this talent of encouraging people.
He is making fun of us. He lied without even counting how much that all would cost and called himself "not greedy", he also explained that he was making separate trips to each girl, didn't visit them all together.
The numbers just don't go together, he couldn't have this syle of life he he was describing paying for everything he mentined at the same time.

Another thing: what was the purpose of the girl's telling brutus about spending his money on her trip to Italy insted of going to his place?! Why not to take the money and dissapear?!
No, according to his words she just said: "Hi, dear, thank you
 for the money, but you know, I decided not to go to your place, I went to Italy instead."

[Doll]

 
Do you really believe thse two girls did nothing wrong? 

To encourage a man to spend $20,000, they surely had to fuel his fantasy.  is dishonest. 

Nothing wrong.
Thousands of commercials on TV or Internet "encourage" you to spend your money, so it is up to you to do it or not.
For 20,000 I will go to Russia 2 times and then buy a new car for myself. Skype is free, to call from the US to the Russian province is 8-9 cents per minute.
 

[LAman]

they suck them in by offering a cheap monthly rate which off course doesn't include opening letters and webcam chats. Then by the time a guy makes a trip to Ukraine to meet the girl who only finds out about him a couple of days before his arrival he is down about $8K.  By the time he makes 3-4 trips and starts realising what's what and that he had been sold a fantasy he is down about $20 + K At this time he starts googling and doing lots of research and finds forums like this or a service like mine.

yes eduard....and the men have no other choices....it is all the sites/agencies doings 'forcing' men to give money away with false promises.....like they have magic to put men in trances.......what it is in fact(IMHO) lonely, desparate men that cannot find a date at home and think they can bring a few bucks to a poor country and have their way with the women there......

[Eduard]

I know many are dishonest, part of a problem of a money hungry capitalist society.

LAman, I'm sorry but are you kidding me? Capitalism is the problem here? So you think every one is honest in a socialist society? OMG! Talk about living in a fantasy land! There are crooks everywhere and there are honest people everywhere. Socialism is just as corrupt as the people who live under it. I think that with the fall of the USSR 20 some years ago people here totally forget what a miserable, society it was with so much evil perpetrated by the government and people in charge. With millions of it's own people inslaved and murdered, and you are thinking that capitalism promotes bad behavior?!?! Russia finally woke up and shook off the chains of Socialism, it is really scary to see the USA moving toward it, badmouthing Capitalism and promoting Socialist agenda.

[Daveman]

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Another thing: what was the purpose of the girl's telling brutus about spending his money on her trip to Italy insted of going to his place?! Why not to take the money and dissapear?!
No, according to his words she just said: "Hi, dear, thank you
 for the money, but you know, I decided not to go to your place, I went to Italy instead."

Well, at least he didn't pay for each one to get a degree! 

[Doll]

 I realize that you are from a culture where deceit and corruption are prevalent.  Perhaps those who are good at deceit are admired in your birth culture as being very clever.   However, you have resided in  America for many years.  I really would like to know your opinion.   

 
 

Wow!
I am not going to be nice when you say it about my country.
Now listen. Yes we are residing in America, where people cheat on each other everywhere. You want to know my opinion?
Here it is: American nation is the least sincere one I've ever known. Behind the smiles and sweet words there is nothing but indifference and often "dislike" towards the foreigners.

[Daveman]

LAman, I'm sorry but are you kidding me? Capitalism is the problem here? So you think every one is honest in a socialist society? OMG! Talk about living in a fantasy land! There are crooks everywhere and there are honest people everywhere. Socialism is just as corrupt as the people who live under it. I think that with the fall of the USSR 20 some years ago people here totally forget what a miserable, society it was with so much evil perpetrated by the government and people in charge. With millions of it's own people inslaved and murdered, and you are thinking that capitalism promotes bad behavior?!?! Russia finally woke up and shook off the chains of Socialism, it is really scary to see the USA moving toward it, badmouthing Capitalism and promoting Socialist agenda.

Eduard, LAman,  let's not take this already (somewhat) spiraling thread into the realm of politics.. 

[Doll]

Brutus is no different from about 75% of the men who contact me inquiring about my services. Most of them had spent between $15K and $35K and made 2 to 5 trips to Ukraine BEFORE they found my web site, and off course they where using the same old agencies that we all learned to love and admire 

самопиар, Эдик

[Doll]

LAman, I'm sorry but are you kidding me? Capitalism is the problem here? So you think every one is honest in a socialist society? OMG! Talk about living in a fantasy land! There are crooks everywhere and there are honest people everywhere. Socialism is just as corrupt as the people who live under it. I think that with the fall of the USSR 20 some years ago people here totally forget what a miserable, society it was with so much evil perpetrated by the government and people in charge. With millions of it's own people inslaved and murdered, and you are thinking that capitalism promotes bad behavior?!?! Russia finally woke up and shook off the chains of Socialism, it is really scary to see the USA moving toward it, badmouthing Capitalism and promoting Socialist agenda.

(not) to change the subject.
Ed, then why all these Americans want to go there- to this "country of deceit"?
I do understand your motives , not theirs.

It is an ugly society with rotten people? Then don't go there and r-e-siiiiide in your country.
You save a lot of money, kids! 

[Eduard]

There are many instances at home where there are businesses/sellers trying to convince you to buy this or that or maybe a repair, a used car, or maybe even some stock. Is this all fraud? I know many are dishonest, part of a problem of a money hungry capitalist society.

It is only fraud if they are knowingly trying to seel you a service or a part you don't really need or to sell you a used car without disclosing important facts like that it was rebuilt and had frame damage or under water. I have very little doubt that these MOB agencies know exactly what they are selling.

[Eduard]

(not) to change the subject.
Ed, then why all these Americans want to go there- to this "country of deceit"?
I do understand your motives , not theirs.

It is an ugly society with rotten people? Then don't go there and r-e-siiiiide in your country.
You save a lot of money, kids! 

Doll, I didn't quite understand what you meant... you can say in Russian ;-)

[LAman]

LAman, I'm sorry but are you kidding me? Capitalism is the problem here? So you think every one is honest in a socialist society? OMG! Talk about living in a fantasy land! There are crooks everywhere and there are honest people everywhere. Socialism is just as corrupt as the people who live under it. I think that with the fall of the USSR 20 some years ago people here totally forget what a miserable, society it was with so much evil perpetrated by the government and people in charge. With millions of it's own people inslaved and murdered, and you are thinking that capitalism promotes bad behavior?!?! Russia finally woke up and shook off the chains of Socialism, it is really scary to see the USA moving toward it, badmouthing Capitalism and promoting Socialist agenda.

I won't comment because you are vastly superior to me in discussing my country's society.
but, please re-read the 'money hungry' part...which was my point.....not the whole society.......

[Doll]

It is only fraud if they are knowingly trying to seel you a service or a part you don't really need or to sell you a used car without disclosing important facts like that it was rebuilt and had frame damage or under water. I have very little doubt that these MOB agencies know exactly what they are selling.

Ed, unlike used cars amd homes, you can't guarantee the relationships.
They are selling the chances, nothing else.

[Doll]

Doll, I didn't quite understand what you meant... you can say in Russian ;-)

He understood me.
(I am ok with English, besides, I am at work with no Russian keyboard. But he understood be perfectly)

[Eduard]

Eduard, LAman,  let's not take this already (somewhat) spiraling thread into the realm of politics..

LOL, Dave, I hear you! It's just when I read stuff like that I have a hard time controlling myself.
It is really scary! Did you watch on CNN how Obama got cought telling D. Medvedev in S. Korea: " This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility." And Medvedev responds: "I understand you. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you."
They didn't realise that the mics were on... what an eye opening moment!

[Eduard]

Ed, unlike used cars amd homes, you can't guarantee the relationships.
They are selling the chances, nothing else.

I agree that no one can guarantee that a relationship will work long term. However having staff members write letters to men while the women men think they are communicating with do not even know that these men exist is fraud. And you can't really say that it's all men's fault because some of the biggest and most prolific perpetrators are American companies. Men see that these companies are based in the US and assume that they are safe and that they have a recourse in case there is some kind of fraud involved. How would they know that these American businesses cover themselves by claiming ignorance of the fraud that happens with their affiliate agencies in Ukraine. Do you honestly believe that these huge, multimillion dollar businesses don't know what they are selling? They even create their own "antiscam" sites that review MOB agencies and off course you won't find anything negative there, only great reviews. So even when these men do exercise due diligence they find the smoke and mirrors sites that these people create to cover up all the bad, negative reviews. Sure, these men should have dug a little deeper passed the sites that make these agencies look good, but how would they know?

[Eduard]

He understood me.
(I am ok with English, besides, I am at work with no Russian keyboard. But he understood be perfectly)

then would you please ask "He" (who understood) explain to me what you meant. because I didn't

[ghost of moon goddess]

umyishlenno opuskaiy Vashe imya, tak kak Vy prekrasno poimete k komy ia obrashchaiys', uvazhaemiy byivshiy sootechestvennik.  Mne kazhetsiy, i ia ne raz eto zamechala, chto Vy ne vsegda ispol'zyete dostoinye metodiy dlia reklamy svoego biznesa. I eshche,  ne dostoino dlia russkogo myzhchiny obshchat'sia s zhenshinami (tem bolee svoimi sootechestvennistami ) tak, kak Vy eto sebe inogda pozvolyete na saite.  Nadeiys', Vy poimete menia pravil'no.

Sorry for my weird spelling