scammed by yeva4u

[bruttus]

got more then enough
like i said, i have help, I'm busy since October, after i realised that i was being used as an total idiot by that agency from Kharkov and her genuine lady

[bruttus]

this is a small update what I'm gonna do

- i have to fill in a new complain to the police from Zaporozhye, so that the girls, and me open their closed profiles from yeva4u., and from 1 girl her old vkontaktprofile, so i can make a link between the money that i have sended and how they used it (they have still profiles in yeva4u, but other id's)
-i have talked with valentina golubodzeva, she tells me that she wanna help, but i have mine doubts about it. the only thing that she told me, was that those girls, and they're agent accused me that i forced those girls to prostituted themselves for me

cost me money, yeah, but at least i do something about it

[Daveman]

this is a small update what I'm gonna do

- i have to fill in a new complain to the police from Zaporozhye, so that the girls, and me open their closed profiles from yeva4u., and from 1 girl her old vkontaktprofile, so i can make a link between the money that i have sended and how they used it (they have still profiles in yeva4u, but other id's)
-i have talked with valentina golubodzeva, she tells me that she wanna help, but i have mine doubts about it. the only thing that she told me, was that those girls, and they're agent accused me that i forced those girls to prostituted themselves for me

cost me money, yeah, but at least i do something about it

Oh the plot thickens... whether anything comes from this, or whether it's a good idea, this will be interesting.


Keep us posted on the progress, Bruttus.  Good luck with it.

[bruttus]

then i show the photo's that they have sended to me, when i was in kharkov, i showt mila some photo's that i had saved in mine laptop, but in mine computer, they are more from a difrent kind

[Faux Pas]

Oh the plot thickens... whether anything comes from this, or whether it's a good idea, this will be interesting.


Keep us posted on the progress, Bruttus.  Good luck with it.

Another spin on the old adage "a pubic hair can pull a freight train" comes to mind 

[Larry1]

then i show the photo's that they have sended to me, when i was in kharkov, i showt mila some photo's that i had saved in mine laptop, but in mine computer, they are more from a difrent kind

Bruttus,
It would help readers if you updated your profile to provide the number of trips you have taken.  When I glanced at your profile it says no trips, then when I read down the thread and saw the prostituting accusation it made no sense at all.

All this would probably be clear to someone who had read this thread from the beginning, but I haven't and it's too long to go back and read from the beginning.

[calmissile]

Another spin on the old adage "a pubic hair can pull a freight train" comes to mind 

First time I heard this one.  Very good.  I will have to remember it.   LOL

[bruttus]

Bruttus,
It would help readers if you updated your profile to provide the number of trips you have taken.  When I glanced at your profile it says no trips, then when I read down the thread and saw the prostituting accusation it made no sense at all.

All this would probably be clear to someone who had read this thread from the beginning, but I haven't and it's too long to go back and read from the beginning.

4 trips to ukraine
3 trips was to Zaporozhye
1 trip to Kharkov

from the 3 trips to Zaporozhye, no psysical contact
1 trip to kharkov, well, that was played

[Shadow]

So you will be invited to meet the police in Zaporozhe and then arrested on charge of human trafficking. I will remember you when I read it in the newspaper

[Jack]

bruttus I must apologize for not responding back to you and the forum.

Gentlemen I am a pretty good judge of character and scam, scams and scammers.
Their is NO doubt in my mind that bruttus is a good, sincere man.  Like many men entering this most
wonderful pursuit he is also looking for the good side of people and believes most things he is told
is true.  Many men are like this.  I was also like  this in the mid 90's.  I was a very good student for some
very good scam teachers.   I, like many on here, know the feeling of being scammed, having your heart
broke.

Those of you taking cheap shots at bruttus need to realize that were not all as smart as you.  Wanting to
believe people are mostly good and not bad can and does have it's consequences.

To you bruttus I would like to tell you that I will find, make the time, to tell other new guy's of your experience.
I also KNOW you were scammed and you were not the first and you will not be the last to be scammed by
this same operation.

[Faux Pas]

Jack
It's not about cheap shots, it's about bruttus recognizing his own mistakes/faults as the victim, accepting them and moving on. Be honest and truthful with bruttus. Nothing good is going to come out of his dogged hunt for justice. He was a willing victim. IMHO, if he was truly interested in finding a good woman that is what he'd be doing now, instead of seeking revenge from phantoms. The money is gone, they are gone and no good will come out of this for him.

[Chelseaboy]

I'm with you bruttus.
 
If you can get these scammer girls and their agency investigated by the police and prosecuted,it may well  change the whole face of the MOB in Ukraine,as girls might think twice about getting police records,because the news will spread like wildfire out there.
 
Also other foreign male victims will start following your lead,if they see that something CAN be done about these scammers out there.
 
Good luck.

[Jack]

FP,  bruttus was very honest and open with what was going on.   bruttus did not realize he was being scammed even during the middle of the scam.  Some of the things bruttus told me I could not believe.

I am not talking about anything bruttus is referencing today. We are talking about something that happened maybe 5-6 months ago.  Can you believe having to pay $75 a day, everyday, for a driver in Kharkov?  With Kharkov's efficient metro, with Kharkov's very reasonable taxi rates, with so much of everything we do and see in Kharkov refined to a relatively small footprint, can you imagine how much driving one would have to do to warrant a $75 a day driver fee?

bruttus did not write me at first, I wrote him when I saw some things not adding up.  bruttus did not want to believe he was being scammed, was in denial, and was not until sometime later he realized he had been had.  I asked bruttus questions, many questions. Their is a lot he did not write about on the forum.  bruttus was good enough to answer my questions.   Once bruttus had realized he had been scammed his main concern was not for himself but for others.  And I DO know of others who had been scammed in the same manner.  I told bruttus I would address his experience, things done to him during his scam, etc.  But for many reasons, mostly medical, I was not able to find the time to post.

And FP their were some cheap shots taken at bruttus during this time. Most the cheap shots as I recall were taken by what we might consider some of the more experienced old timers around here.  I have noticed it's not so often that new guys, guy's with not so much experience, are taking the cheap shots.

[bruttus]

I'm with you bruttus.
 
If you can get these scammer girls and their agency investigated by the police and prosecuted,it may well  change the whole face of the MOB in Ukraine,as girls might think twice about getting police records,because the news will spread like wildfire out there.
 
Also other foreign male victims will start following your lead,if they see that something CAN be done about these scammers out there.
 
Good luck.

that's the idea
about money, make this one thing clear, i do NOT hope to get something back of it,if it so, its maybe nice, but that's false hope
but I'm raised to fight back if something bad happend to my self, look childish for some of you, but that's who i am
its just the principle.
a couple day's ago i received a letter that i have to think to start a own family, how can i think to start a own family if everyone takes advantage from mine trust in people
others say forget and move on, well, i wonder if those persons will forget if they lose 20 000 USD to someone who you really liked

the only person that knows me a bit, is the person who i have issue's with now

[SANDRO43]

If you can get these scammer girls and their agency investigated by the police and prosecuted

Highly unlikely IMHO, given Ukraine's  current law-enforcement/judicial climate .

In the specific case of YEVA4U, they're not there or in SPB either, they apparently moved the company first to Cyprus then to Montenegro, as I pointed out earlier.

[Chelseaboy]

I don't think the police will do anything either Sandro,but as bruttus said,if nobody tries to do something,then one thing is for sure,nothing will happen,and these scammer/prodater girls and their agencies will continue to act with impunity.
 
So,let's see what happens.
 
As for the agency being possibly prosecuted,i was referring to the local agency in Ukraine the girls will operate from,not Yeva4u.

[jone]

Hello Brutus,

It was very painful to go through your story.  My first observation is that some people look at life and see that they have been taken advantage of.  Others laugh and say, what the hell?  If that is the worst thing that happened to me, I am not in too bad a shape.

I know others have alluded to this, but the amount of money that you are scammed for is minimal.   In business, there have been people who have tried to scam me for hundreds of thousands of dollars.  It is all relative. 

When I was first in Kiev, many moons ago, I met a woman that sized up the thickness of my wallet and immediately tried to create a situation where I would contribute $25,000, all in one shot.  All things are relative.

I hope that you will put this all behind you and continue your search for a good woman.  Remember, it is not about looks that you should find.  Find a lady with a kind heart and great wisdom and you will lead a happy life.  If her smile is gentle, you will have even more blessings.

But I want to address the issue regarding 'going to the authorities'.  If just doesn't work.  The United States Government associates Mail Order Brides with sex slavery, but they have done nothing to stop advertising in the United States.  While we can hold hearings on the issue, a man getting fleeced by a good looking woman is something that happens in every country and in every village and hamlet.  The only difference is that these agencies and their women are more sophisticated.

But even the worst agencies will take honest women that choose another life in another country.  AD (Anastasia Date) is a perfect example.  If you go to the most recent IDs you will find that many of the women are there to actually meet men.  I met some, in person, the other day.  They were sweet girls and had every intention of finding a man who would be their husband.  But then, I'm on the inside looking out, having already hooked up with someone.  And the ladies happen to be friends with my gal, who drags me along to show them that it can work out (well, up till now).

When I began, I knew nothing about this website.  Had I been here, before my search, I would have easily selected a more sure method of finding someone.  But then, my gal, too, says that she would have selected someone much more worthy than I am.  I lament that she 'settled' for me. Not!

I know you have heard this before, but this FSU dating is NOT for the weak hearted.  It takes money and it takes smarts and it takes overcoming being taken advantage of.  Most of the men who go overseas to find their loves are typically social misfits who think they can find their hearts desire simply because the girls overseas aren't as smart as the women back home - or are desperate. 

The only ones who truly succeed are the same men who succeed against all odds in other facets of life as well.  I hope, Brutus, that you are one of those men, because everything you have written on this site makes me think that you would be fun guy to hang out with.

Cheers.

Jon in Kharkiv

[CDW]

Jack
It's not about cheap shots, it's about bruttus recognizing his own mistakes/faults as the victim, accepting them and moving on. Be honest and truthful with bruttus. Nothing good is going to come out of his dogged hunt for justice. He was a willing victim. IMHO, if he was truly interested in finding a good woman that is what he'd be doing now, instead of seeking revenge from phantoms. The money is gone, they are gone and no good will come out of this for him.

It is not about losing his money or getting revenge.  It is about these scammers who will scam again in the future, because no-one else had fought for it.   I'm with Bruttus

[CDW]

I don't think the police will do anything either Sandro,but as bruttus said,if nobody tries to do something,then one thing is for sure,nothing will happen,and these scammer/prodater girls and their agencies will continue to act with impunity.
 
So,let's see what happens.
 
As for the agency being possibly prosecuted,i was referring to the local agency in Ukraine the girls will operate from,not Yeva4u.

+1

EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!

[bruttus]

its the local agency in zaporzhye allone
and dunno, i think that i'm a easy going person, i make quickly friends
even when i was in kiev, waiting for mine train to go to kharkov, i met some ukrainian friends, i had a fun evening with them, going back this summer, but not meeting girls, just going as a tourist

[Shadow]

Bruttus please let me give you some things for consideration.

I am, like many others, sure that you are a great and honest guy, who got hurt by what happened. However having got to know the culture of Ukraine and Russia I am very certain that what you are currently doing is at best a Don Quixote fight, and at worst could land you in jail.

Truth is that police will not care about you overpaying for services and giving gifts to women in order to win their heart. They will consider the women smart and you foolish. The very worst that can happen is for the police to visit them in order to get a cut of the profits.

However if you become a nuisance to them they could decide to pay the police for a counter complaint like the human trafficking. Remember that in Ukraine it is possible to entrap someone in a false complaint, and if they manage to put you in jail you could be there for a long time during the trial, even if you would manage to be found innocent. I am not joking here, there is a very serious possibility it will happen.
Regardless if they are making enough to be part of a criminal organization, or if they are just adding to their job, they can always find someone in Ukraine who will get you off their back.

Please not that those who are cheering you on here are mostly those with little or no experience on the ground. Any member with knowledge tells you have zero chance of accomplishing anything.

I will say that you have a chance to hurt their operation. But it is not through the police. The best way to stop them is writing a letter to the tax office, as it is very unlikely that they are putting the income they receive by meeting foreigners in to their tax return. If the tax office decides to take action and finds enough they could even land in jail for tax evasion.

Remember that I am 100% serious here, and very serious concerning the possibility of you landing in jail.

[bruttus]

thank you for your concern, and i do know the consequence's about it, but I'm willing to take it, i have nothing to lose anyway
for that, i have asked to reopen they re accounts at yea4u and even mine account, so i can reread the letters and get the proof that i need to get

for the rest, the lawyer does the rest

but thank you
but if i may ad, from the city where i grew up, we had a saying
Who Dares, Wins

[ECOCKS]

Bruttus please let me give you some things for consideration.

I am, like many others, sure that you are a great and honest guy, who got hurt by what happened. However having got to know the culture of Ukraine and Russia I am very certain that what you are currently doing is at best a Don Quixote fight, and at worst could land you in jail.

Truth is that police will not care about you overpaying for services and giving gifts to women in order to win their heart. They will consider the women smart and you foolish. The very worst that can happen is for the police to visit them in order to get a cut of the profits.

However if you become a nuisance to them they could decide to pay the police for a counter complaint like the human trafficking. Remember that in Ukraine it is possible to entrap someone in a false complaint, and if they manage to put you in jail you could be there for a long time during the trial, even if you would manage to be found innocent. I am not joking here, there is a very serious possibility it will happen.
Regardless if they are making enough to be part of a criminal organization, or if they are just adding to their job, they can always find someone in Ukraine who will get you off their back.

Please not that those who are cheering you on here are mostly those with little or no experience on the ground. Any member with knowledge tells you have zero chance of accomplishing anything.

I will say that you have a chance to hurt their operation. But it is not through the police. The best way to stop them is writing a letter to the tax office, as it is very unlikely that they are putting the income they receive by meeting foreigners in to their tax return. If the tax office decides to take action and finds enough they could even land in jail for tax evasion.

Remember that I am 100% serious here, and very serious concerning the possibility of you landing in jail.

I agree about 97% with this post.


The 3% is that the worst that can happen is that you get a criminal record (and the aforementioned jail-time) for being involved in prostitution or worse.


Beyond that though, too many people become consumed in their search for righteousness and justice. It's bad enough when it takes the form of venting on Internet forums but when it moves into the real world and begins consuming not only your time, but also money, it reaches a new level of....we'll try destruction (although that isn't quite the word I want).


By the way, I wouldn't step foot in Ukraine again until this is completely resolved. As Shadow mentions, there are innocent people in prison all over the FSU and nobody cares.


We know, you're a big boy and your strength is as ten due to your pureness of heart but....well, you've been warned.


Good Luck!

[Eduard]

Bruttus please let me give you some things for consideration.

I am, like many others, sure that you are a great and honest guy, who got hurt by what happened. However having got to know the culture of Ukraine and Russia I am very certain that what you are currently doing is at best a Don Quixote fight, and at worst could land you in jail.

Truth is that police will not care about you overpaying for services and giving gifts to women in order to win their heart. They will consider the women smart and you foolish. The very worst that can happen is for the police to visit them in order to get a cut of the profits.

However if you become a nuisance to them they could decide to pay the police for a counter complaint like the human trafficking. Remember that in Ukraine it is possible to entrap someone in a false complaint, and if they manage to put you in jail you could be there for a long time during the trial, even if you would manage to be found innocent. I am not joking here, there is a very serious possibility it will happen.
Regardless if they are making enough to be part of a criminal organization, or if they are just adding to their job, they can always find someone in Ukraine who will get you off their back.

Please not that those who are cheering you on here are mostly those with little or no experience on the ground. Any member with knowledge tells you have zero chance of accomplishing anything.

I will say that you have a chance to hurt their operation. But it is not through the police. The best way to stop them is writing a letter to the tax office, as it is very unlikely that they are putting the income they receive by meeting foreigners in to their tax return. If the tax office decides to take action and finds enough they could even land in jail for tax evasion.

Remember that I am 100% serious here, and very serious concerning the possibility of you landing in jail.

Bruttus, if I were you, I'd listen to Shadow's advice. Besides the tax office there is also the internet and you can post about your experience on several forums, complaint boards, blogs, etc., name names and businesses (providing you are positively sure that these people are running scams). Most people use google and do research before they decide to spend money with a provider. This would be the best way for you to help other people avoid being taken for a ride.
Fighting for justice in Ukraine where every cop and judge can be bought for not that much money is a losing proposition IMHO.

[bruttus]

thanks for the warnings
but i asked only to RE-OPEN there yeva4u Profiles, because they refuse to open it on a normal way
the rest will go to the hands of the laywer

edit
this is a thought for mila, if you are a transluator, and you are selling your services to foreing men so that your genuine girls can learn english, why is that the genuine girl that i met there, go to school to learn english.
about the spanish part, i do understand