Unrealistic Expectations - Women - Entitlement Mentality

[calmissile]

When two FSU women can't agree on what is said, it is no wonder why WM get into so much trouble with communications with FSU women!     

[Boethius]

I'm not a FSUW, Cal.

but she definitely gave enough hints what she expects 

I don't see that from the snippet of the conversation.

[OlgaH]

Agree 100% Yes, her expectations are unrealistic - but this does not translate to 'unobtainable'. Certainly her search may need to be more focused and will probably take longer....but for every lock, a key was made

and as she said the OP was not a first man with whom her expectations failed "becoz all be expensive" by her words... but clock is ticking... she has try harder to find the key.

Due to my job in Russia I had to look for sponsors to run some of our programs. The key was I never asked for a sponsor's financial help I made an offer 

[OlgaH]

I don't see that from the snippet of the conversation.

If I would not be able to read between the lines I would be in deep "kaka" today. So, when a man began to tell me about a baseball team in his county and how he wonderfully spent time at the stadium watching the game enjoying hotdogs and soda or about his every Sunday church events I got a pretty good idea about two benches, he most likely expected I would be enjoying too. 

[newjason]

She also stated that with her French man, he was always angry because everything was always so expensive.  Maybe he was a Miser with money, and she just got tired of being with a tight wad.

I know some men like this, and working with them is VERY annoying.  their entire life pursuit is consumed by hoarding money.  For example, one man took 2 full days, searching for a Used toilet to replace the one in his rental unit.  He drove a total of 75 miles, over the course of two days.  He found a tank, for $12 a bowl for $35, he was so busy patting himself on the back for having saved his precious money, he realized, that the inner components also needed to be replaced, and the seat from the old toilet did not fit his new one. He had to take another few comparing prices on the flush valve. filler , float and a new seat. and ended up spending another $52.  when he was finally installing his new contraption, he realized , the wax ring and bolt set needed to be replaced too.  Another  trip, another $8.

the Home Dep@t sells new Toilets, complete with everything for $89
Even the nicer upgrade is $119

The total for his mash up was  $107.
And 3 Full days of his life - gone.

I don't understand this behaviour,  but it is apparent in every single part of his life. 
His Nickname is  Greedy Bastard.   And there are a Lot of men like him.

He's always angry and complains about everything being too expensive. 

I can see how any person would grow tired of this, very quickly.

She sounds to me like she is trying to avoid being with another person like that in her next relationship.

[OlgaH]

She also stated that with her French man, he was always angry because everything was always so expensive.  Maybe he was a Miser with money, and she just got tired of being with a tight wad.

newjason, I doubt a man got angry, it could be just her own perception when he mentioned about expenses.  Personally, I can understand a man's concern supporting a 39 y.o. woman who would like to be a stay home mom with two teens.

Yes, there is not enough "Donald Trumps" for every FSUW 39 y.o. woman with two kids who would love "to relax home" 

[GQBlues]

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I know some men like this, and working with them is VERY annoying.  their entire life pursuit is consumed by hoarding money.  For example, one man took 2 full days, searching for a Used toilet to replace the one in his rental unit.  He drove a total of 75 miles, over the course of two days.  He found a tank, for $12 a bowl for $35, he was so busy patting himself on the back for having saved his precious money, he realized, that the inner components also needed to be replaced, and the seat from the old toilet did not fit his new one. He had to take another few comparing prices on the flush valve. filler , float and a new seat. and ended up spending another $52.  when he was finally installing his new contraption, he realized , the wax ring and bolt set needed to be replaced too.  Another  trip, another $8.

the Home Dep@t sells new Toilets, complete with everything for $89....

   I can't help but be reminded of something similar when I read this part of your post.
 
There's a couple we know (AM/RW) who struck us as somewhat a little strange in that every restaurant they went, they would always take or keep some of those packets of goodies...sugar, ketchup, pickles, jams, etc...if that isn't enough, the guy would bring his own alcohol in his wife's purse, and soon as we get seated and order drinks, they would always ask for a cup or an empty glass. Then she'd pull the alcohol out of her purse and serve him his drink. LOL. It was a bit embarassing in the beginning but we got used to it, believe it or not.
 
Then I found out the guy (and wife) was (there's a reason for the word 'was') worth $4.5 million +. LOL! Unbelievable, man. Yes, they use the packets they take home. There's a jar of it in their pantry.

[Misha]

She also stated that with her French man, he was always angry because everything was always so expensive.  Maybe he was a Miser with money, and she just got tired of being with a tight wad.

Or maybe he was right and that everything hew as paying for WAS too expensive. Can't comment on Ukraine, but in Russia, quite often you will pay three times the prices in cities such as Moscow for a service of quality of good that would be three times inferior to what you would get in Canada 

[Spoon]

It would be interesting to hear the woman's perspective why a man should provide her with beauty salons, beautiful dresses and her kids with education.

I don't think it's too unreasonable to ask of these things from your husband, any woman would wish to have her hair and nails done occasionally, have nice clothes and her kids educated.

The problem is many WM see these requests and the first thing that jumps to mind is "Uh-oh! High maintenance!!"

Well, I know how a RW can make a dollar stretch and stretch and stretch - so IMO guys shouldn't jump to such conclusions. With more communication it may come to light that all these so called 'entitlements' are not unreasonable and/or expensive at all.

[newjason]

   I can't help but be reminded of something similar when I read this part of your post.
 
There's a couple we know (AM/RW) who struck us as somewhat a little strange in that every restaurant they went, they would always take or keep some of those packets of goodies...sugar, ketchup, pickles, jams, etc...if that isn't enough, the guy would bring his own alcohol in his wife's purse, and soon as we get seated and order drinks, they would always ask for a cup or an empty glass. Then she'd pull the alcohol out of her purse and serve him his drink. LOL. It was a bit embarassing in the beginning but we got used to it, believe it or not.
 
Then I found out the guy (and wife) was (there's a reason for the word 'was') worth $4.5 million +. LOL! Unbelievable, man. Yes, they use the packets they take home. There's a jar of it in their pantry.

LOL
I guess it takes all kinds of people to make the world go round.

It's even more strange that when I ask people like this, why they try to amass this money in this way, they answer,  So i can leave something for my kids!

Then the kids get the inheritance, go crazy and blow a few million in a year or two.

 

[newjason]

Or maybe he was right and that everything hew as paying for WAS too expensive. Can't comment on Ukraine, but in Russia, quite often you will pay three times the prices in cities such as Moscow for a service of quality of good that would be three times inferior to what you would get in Canada 

It's very possible

newjason, I doubt a man got angry, it could be just her own perception when he mentioned about expenses.  Personally, I can understand a man's concern supporting a 39 y.o. woman who would like to be a stay home mom with two teens.

Yes, there is not enough "Donald Trumps" for every FSUW 39 y.o. woman with two kids who would love "to relax home" 

You doubt a man got angry?  LOL   ok.
It could be a combination of any of these theories.
But, we will never know now will we. 

There are enough, you just need to know where and how to find them.

http://www.millionairematch.com/

http://sugardaddie.com/

[calmissile]

I think it's a generational thing.  The older generations were taught that they are responsible for their own survival with the help of the Social Security Supplemental income and pensions from their jobs.  The government robbed the Social Security Trust Fund during the Johnson administration, so it makes it even more difficult for them.  Perhaps they don't want to depend on government for their survival.

My observations of the younger generations, is to piss away whatever you have for whatever trips your trigger and then expect the government to rescue you later when you have saved nothing for the future.

I have seen many cases like you stated and think it is crazy for a couple to work hard all their lives to pass it down to irresponsible youngsters that have the mentality stated above.

One of the more popular bumper stickers is  "I am spending my kids inheritance".

Sorry, didn not mean to get off topic.

[OlgaH]

I don't think it's too unreasonable to ask of these things from your husband, any woman would wish to have her hair and nails done occasionally, have nice clothes and her kids educated.

Spoon, of course not when a woman also contributes into the family, not necessary financially. I guess there are members whose wives are home stay moms looking after their children and do their work as housekeepers.

But talking about realistic expectations... most men who raises their both hands for their wives to be stay home mom would like to have and raise own children.  Men who are simply looking for a kept woman usually look for beauties younger than 39 y.o.   

[OlgaH]

There are enough, you just need to know where and how to find them.

http://www.millionairematch.com/

http://sugardaddie.com/

newjason, sugardaddies on the website you posted don't usually go after 39 y.o. women with kids from previous marriages     again being realistic 

[ML]

There's a couple we know (AM/RW) who struck us as somewhat a little strange in that every restaurant they went, they would always take or keep some of those packets of goodies...sugar, ketchup, pickles, jams, etc...

Thanks for this  tip.  I am going to start doing this, because sometimes it gets a little tight here in the food category in the days before the new supply of food stamps arrive.

[calmissile]

There's a couple we know (AM/RW) who struck us as somewhat a little strange in that every restaurant they went, they would always take or keep some of those packets of goodies...sugar, ketchup, pickles, jams, etc...

Funny you bring this up.  It is not limited to this couple.
For the past several years, I have noticed a lot of women stuff their purses with condiments off the tables in restaurants.  Fortunately no one sitting at our table, but it is getting very common.

Perhaps they feel Entitled to it!       

[newjason]

I think it's a generational thing.  The older generations were taught that they are responsible for their own survival with the help of the Social Security Supplemental income and pensions from their jobs.  The government robbed the Social Security Trust Fund during the Johnson administration, so it makes it even more difficult for them.  Perhaps they don't want to depend on government for their survival.

My observations of the younger generations, is to piss away whatever you have for whatever trips your trigger and then expect the government to rescue you later when you have saved nothing for the future.

I have seen many cases like you stated and think it is crazy for a couple to work hard all their lives to pass it down to irresponsible youngsters that have the mentality stated above.

One of the more popular bumper stickers is  "I am spending my kids inheritance".

Sorry, didn not mean to get off topic.

Yes off topic we are. Sorry.

It make one wonder...
If these people had a crystal ball and were able to see  the actions of the children after they were gone and given the inheritance , would they still bother to live in this manner?

IMO
It makes more sense to raise the children and teach them to be self sufficient and how to take care of themselves in any situation, how to make their own money, and be smart about it. rather than leave them with a jackpot.  Maybe being raised in a household like this, with the extreme parents, leads the kids to revolt, or rebel after they are gone, as they were never allowed to when they were alive.

LOL can you imagine growing up with your mom and dad, sneaking beverages into a returaunt and snatching ketchup and relish packets.   BRRRRr   that's  a little scary

newjason, sugardaddies on the website you posted don't usually go after 39 y.o. women with kids prom previous marriages     again being realistic 

That is not true. I have watched several television shows where in they did interviews with the users of this site and it is very eye opening to say  the least. There is one particular woman who is indeed 40, average looking, broke as hell, and has 2 kids, who met her sugardaddie and she goes out once a week with him, and chats with him on the computer, no sex, no strings attached, He has never been in her home, and Doesn't want to.  receives $thousands/month for this arrangement.  So don't be so fast to judge.





Have you ever heard of financial domination ?
there are a lot of other alternative lifestyles that are similar to this and it is not as far fetched as you may think

It may seem silly to most of us, but this section of society is very real.

[OlgaH]

That is not true. I have watched several television shows where in they did interviews with the users of this site and it is very eye opening to say  the least. There is one particular woman who is indeed 40, average looking, broke as hell, and has 2 kids, who met her sugardaddie and she goes out once a week with him, and chats with him on the computer, no sex, no strings attached, He has never been in her home, and Doesn't want to.  receives $thousands/month for this arrangement.  So don't be so fast to judge.

the key words are "television show"  and you also should know many television show are scripted in advance plus they go through additional editing after 

[newjason]

There's a couple we know (AM/RW) who struck us as somewhat a little strange in that every restaurant they went, they would always take or keep some of those packets of goodies...sugar, ketchup, pickles, jams, etc...

Funny you bring this up.  It is not limited to this couple.
For the past several years, I have noticed a lot of women stuff their purses with condiments off the tables in restaurants.  Fortunately no one sitting at our table, but it is getting very common.

Perhaps they feel Entitled to it!       

Yep, perfect example of Entitlement     LOL

[calmissile]

Olga,  please don't let the secret out of the bag that the Jerry Springer show and others are not real life in America.       

[OlgaH]

newjason, in the video you posted women are mostly young, even that single mom, and an old sugar daddy even proudly says that his secret arrangement even works for him     Oh, now all the single moms will run to register to find their sugardaddy. Nice promotion for the website 

[newjason]

the key words are "television show"  and you also should know many television show are scripted in advance plus they go through additional editing after 

Of course they are.
All I am saying is this is not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
The woman, clearly wants a sugar daddy.
They are out there.
She will probably find one.  Why?  Because with these arrangements, the terms are made clear by both parties up front.  That way there is no confusion about what is going on.

But anyway.  I agree with with most of what you are saying Olga, I just like to be devil's  advocate at times.

[OlgaH]

But anyway.  I agree with with most of what you are saying Olga, I just like to be devil's  advocate at times.

 

Just don't trust to much shows, commercials, promotions      people who usually do look for an advocate afterwards 

[newjason]

Just don't trust to much shows, commercials, promotions      people who usually do look for an advocate afterwards 

LOL   10-4

[Misha]

the key words are "television show"  and you also should know many television show are scripted in advance plus they go through additional editing after 

Yes, and you would get zero ratings showing the norm, a young woman with the older sugar daddy