Elena's Models

[Patagonie]

If i have been able to meet two of the top ten of EM two years and half ago, it was because i had HUGELY prepared all (10 weeks of work) BEFORE sending an email and WITHOUT lying of what i did or what i am.

[Faux Pas]

If i have been able to meet two of the top ten of EM two years and half ago, it was because i had HUGELY prepared all (10 weeks of work) BEFORE sending an email and WITHOUT lying of what i did or what i am.

Photos in some presentable decent clothes isn't lying, it's about making an "effort". Not mentioning his hearing issue isn't lying but, it is misleading. Most will naturally assume he has hearing because he didn't mention that he doesn't. This invariably will  lead to even the most accepting women with the feeling of being lied to.

Whether it "should" be mentioned in profiles is subjective, likely depending on whether it is your issue or not.

CDW, most of these women are looking for a ready-made prince. Most are not looking for a diamond in the rough they can convert into a prince. The white pearly stuff on chicken shit is chicken shit too.

[Patagonie]

Photos in some presentable decent clothes isn't lying, it's about making an "effort". Not mentioning his hearing issue isn't lying but, it is misleading. Most will naturally assume he has hearing because he didn't mention that he doesn't. This invariably will  lead to even the most accepting women with the feeling of being lied to.

Whether it "should" be mentioned in profiles is subjective, likely depending on whether it is your issue or not.

CDW, most of these women are looking for a ready-made prince. Most are not looking for a diamond in the rough they can convert into a prince. The white pearly stuff on chicken shit is chicken shit too.

i totally agree "Photos in some presentable decent clothes isn't lying, it's about making an "effort".
And in my previous post in my mind, i was NOT mentionned his special problem, i just want to focus to the fact that i haven't had at any moment  sell myself as a fake person in all my work of preparing introductions (profile, letter one, complete story, photos)

[Faux Pas]

i totally agree "Photos in some presentable decent clothes isn't lying, it's about making an "effort".
And in my previous post in my mind, i was NOT mentionned his special problem, i just want to focus to the fact that i haven't had at any moment  sell myself as a fake person in all my work of preparing introductions (profile, letter one, complete story, photos)

You're preaching to the choir here with me Pat 

[Gator]

CDW, common sense is not common.

[LAman]

54 posts here and only one lady( forgive if I am wrong) has given input. I would hope to get the thoughts of a women.......from a womens prospective, what they look at.......but many of the posts are from men....telling a man what is best for him.....which is okay because we all have something that works best for ourselves.....advice is advice....who to say what is good or not....let the OP determine.....
 

[pemdas1983]

I don't like rejection as much as the next guy, but the girl's rejection does give me the impression that this site is legit. 

[Lily]

No problem with another woman's input
As previously said, get a few pictures that make you look in some ways interesting. It does not mean making professional photos. One still should be able to use a camera himself, and ask a women friend or relative to pick up some good shots. With a digital camera, you may want to make about fifty shots in order to get a few good ones that you could use in your profile. It is still worth the effort.
Now, after you have a few intresting photos and a well thought profile, please don't be upset if you don't get women interested in you. A number just won't, no matter your illustrations and text. Don't let yourself to be discouraged, even if despite your efforts you end up with nothing. This is a possible scenario on a dating site guys, not necessarily for the OP, but for any of us.
 

[kmin]

If you are expert on Russian women then why is it:

Status: Looking 3-5 years
Trips: 1 - 3

and have you ever learnt why you are still looking for a Russian woman after 3-5 years searching ????

LOL so I must be a super duper professional, I looked for 2 days, found her on freepersonals.ru, video skype on 3rd day, started dating two weeks later (online), visited two months later, and now we are getting married this fall.  I am a Write One, Visit One, and soon Marry One.

(Actually I think it was the grace of God and a little luck, not being good at international dating)

That being said, try the free sites and stop looking for a model.  Look for you soul mate instead.

[Faux Pas]

LOL so I must be a super duper professional, I looked for 2 days, found her on freepersonals.ru, video skype on 3rd day, started dating two weeks later (online), visited two months later, and now we are getting married this fall.  I am a Write One, Visit One, and soon Marry One.

(Actually I think it was the grace of God and a little luck, not being good at international dating)

That being said, try the free sites and stop looking for a model.  Look for you soul mate instead.

Somebody once said "I'd rather be lucky than good".

In this particular adventure it can takes lots of both and sometimes neither helps at all. Congrats on your good fortune kmin. I sincerely wish the best for you and your forthcoming bride.

I would however advise a dose of humility and a boatload of caution. Life is good and the future looks bright but, you are not at the end of your journey, only the beginning. The real test as to the metal of your relationship has not yet begun.

I only point this out because there have been many who have done everything right just to see it explode in their faces further down that beaten path. Much humility even. 

[Jumper]

  It's been awhile since I used EM, but for the most part I think many women feel similarly about EOI's.


and that is
 * a guy not interested enough to even drop me a few sentences asking about me,
or why he found me interesting, or telling me a bit about himself* ??  *click*


It's like walking past an outdoor cafe and winking at some random girl sitting there?
the odds she'll chase you down and ask for your cell number is fairly slim.


I did not use,the EOI feature at all. (or similar winking features on other sites)


If you read a profile that truly interests you, write something substantial to that person.


Then if your response rate remains low you have something to go off of,
I just wouldn't put much thought into a low EOI rate, as i feel most women view that as someone not serious enough to write them a few lines...

[CDW]

I did not use,the EOI feature at all. (or similar winking features on other sites) [/b]

You should use the EOI, because it will save you 1 credit.  If you write a letter to a woman, you will have to pay for 1 credit.  But if she isn't interested in you, then you have wasted 1 credit.

If you use EOI, it is FREE, and if she isn't interested in you, then you have saved 1 credit!!

When I first join, I found a woman who has very similar interested as me.  I decided to send her the EOI, and she isn't interested in me.  Perhaps it is my photo that did not attract her.

I have about 50-50% success rate with the EOI.

[Turboguy]

I am with Jumper on this one and never once sent an EOI.  I did have the platinum membership which let me write all the letters I wanted free.  I could have written to every woman on Elenas if I had wanted to.  I always felt like Jumper that I would rather write so she knew a little more about me than the profile showed and then let her make up her mind. I would agree that if you are on a program where you lose a credit for each letter you write the EOI might be a good too.  I just never used that system to know.   Even writing letters my response rate was lower than CDW but was at a level where I was happy with it.

[Faux Pas]

I am with Jumper on this one and never once sent an EOI.  I did have the platinum membership which let me write all the letters I wanted free.  I could have written to every woman on Elenas if I had wanted to.  I always felt like Jumper that I would rather write so she knew a little more about me than the profile showed and then let her make up her mind. I would agree that if you are on a program where you lose a credit for each letter you write the EOI might be a good too.  I just never used that system to know.   Even writing letters my response rate was lower than CDW but was at a level where I was happy with it.

I must have had the same membership as you. I don't recollect ever sending an EOI either. I did get quite a few. I had a kind of basic intro letter I sent to all the women that interested me. If the response was favorable I would then write specifically to the woman. Responding to all those ladies actually turned into quite a hassle. Very time consuming`

[Jumper]

You should use the EOI, because it will save you 1 credit.  If you write a letter to a woman, you will have to pay for 1 credit.  But if she isn't interested in you, then you have wasted 1 credit.

If you use EOI, it is FREE, and if she isn't interested in you, then you have saved 1 credit!!

When I first join, I found a woman who has very similar interested as me.  I decided to send her the EOI, and she isn't interested in me. Perhaps it is my photo that did not attract her.

I have about 50-50% success rate with the EOI.

I'm glad your rate has gone up, it wasn't even close to 50/50 at the start of the thread and the base question? 




the possibility exists that s she wanted to actually hear something from you?

I know many RW ,quite a few from that site, most share my opinion..and never respond to EOI,
in fact more than a few write exactly that in their profiles.That they wiool not respind to EOIs. now why would they put that?
and if you trace that reason to its fundamentals, you'd see why many others feel that way but don't put it in their profile..



I will tell you the number one thing many RW on such websites (if sincere) look for initially in a letter ?
A serious man. at least in the context of being serious about actually moving forward with a relationship and not pen pals..or play.

The first sign a man is actually serious? An obviously well thought out letter directed to HER and her interests.

Take it or leave it, but that's far closer to reality than yours where every RW finds EOIs very useful.


As far as credits, sorry it just want relevant in my search.
.
I'm not wealthy, and basically meager.. lol
but when it comes to wanting to contact someone, a credit here or  there *possible* saved seemed silly to me.

You only save that credit saved *if* the person and scenario  fit exactly what you think.

otherwise , you are passing an opportunity to make a good first impression,or writting off someone, without ever writing to them because they dint reply positively to a EOI, rather than a real letter from you.

I find it odd to join a site like EM, were the odds are pretty good the women are legit, and then pass on the opportunity to contact them directly with words,words telling why i liked their profile, or why  i thought it worthwhile for us to communicate further. I would also try and make her amused or laugh in some way as I like to judge comparability pretty quick on that..




That's just a lot better in my opinion than tossing out a generic EOI that every man that liked her photo sent out..


You have your own path ,and now some success with it, that's cool.
I was only giving you suggesting to improve your contacts..




This last time my own path was to let women  write me.. and reply.
This weeds out those not interested even better wouldn't you say? lol
Now the trick then is to understand why she is interested

It's not a path i recommend,and i dint do that to weed out who was interested ,
I just wasn't that *actively* looking.and it landed me married - go figure.

[Turboguy]

It seems to me that if an attractive women checked one day and had 10 guys who wrote her nice letters and 10 that sent EOI's she might think the 10 with EOI's we not willing to spend a little money to get to know her and were not willing to take the time to write a letter, (even though most first letters are cut and paste.)  Perhaps if she were desperate and getting little attention then she might be thrilled to get it.

[I/O]

I always thought EOI's, Winks etc were about the equivalent of piching some dolls arse on the dance floor in a darkened night club hoping for a love reaction.

[Jersey Guy]

I always thought EOI's, Winks etc were about the equivalent of piching some dolls arse on the dance floor in a darkened night club hoping for a love reaction.

Now that is funny because I kind of agree.  I guess that is a good way to say it. I would save my actual credits for genuine interest and use the EOI for the young ones just for kicks (I'm 57) keeping in mind that I listed an acceptable age range from 35 to 55.  I got a couple responses. One said she only responded because she liked my  profile and thought that I was honest. I just thanked her and that was the end of that.
@CDW
I met the woman I am currently involved with for 10 months now on EM. From what I have read without checking your profile I think that a completely honest profile is a must.  And in the first couple of communication responses on the site should be honest and to the point. But, for younger people it might be ok to play some minor games.
My own experience,  I joined the site last October and only sent out 6 emails the first day. I received a response from 3,  I think two not interested and one not read forever. But, I did receive about 20 from others. I guess they were checking out the newbie. The one I am seeing now is one of them. If I would have spent more time looking at more profiles I might have sent one to her.  I communicated with about 10 off and on. By January I was in Jamaica with the one I am seeing now. After Jamaica we both agreed to remove our profiles.

[newjason]

Who is this Elena and why does she have Models?
 and what the heck is and EOI?
EOI's, credits, ect...

reading this thread I must say it sounds like a bunch of guys discussing a video game or a fantasy role playing game. 

It seems PAT has high score  2 out of the top 10!

hehehe

Of course I am kidding,
 but the fantasy video game part is serious
and a little unsettling...   

[Jersey Guy]

but the fantasy video game part is serious
and a little unsettling...   

Not quite a video game....would you walk away from a video game with about 20 credits left.

[lordart]

Not to hijack the thread (but I guess I am anyways), but I'm very new to the Russian scene.  I have posted a profile on EM and since there are so many experts here, I'd like a critique if possible.

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=4513006

I have visited St. Petersburg to date a lady that I met through other means than a service.  It didn't work out, but made the concept viable to me since I wouldn't have done so before.  (Long story)

I have been using EOIs because I'm a gold user, but now it seems I should have gone for platinum?  How shot in the head am I because I've used EOIs?  I've only gotten one read so far (which was rejected).

Should my opening emails be in Russian?  All I can use is google translate, so does it make sense to put the english and google translated version in that email?  I've done the same with my profile, but I do have a more professional translation in the works.  I just found out that I should have a russian version up there, etc.

So any advice would be appreciated, especially from the ladies.   Thank you in advance!

Arthur

[Anotherkiwi]

Not to hijack the thread (but I guess I am anyways), but I'm very new to the Russian scene.  I have posted a profile on EM and since there are so many experts here, I'd like a critique if possible.

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=4513006

I have visited St. Petersburg to date a lady that I met through other means than a service.  It didn't work out, but made the concept viable to me since I wouldn't have done so before.  (Long story)

I have been using EOIs because I'm a gold user, but now it seems I should have gone for platinum?  How shot in the head am I because I've used EOIs?  I've only gotten one read so far (which was rejected).

Should my opening emails be in Russian?  All I can use is google translate, so does it make sense to put the english and google translated version in that email?  I've done the same with my profile, but I do have a more professional translation in the works.  I just found out that I should have a russian version up there, etc.

So any advice would be appreciated, especially from the ladies.   Thank you in advance!

Arthur

First,    Arthur!  Your profile looks OK to me, but what's an AVP?  Assistant Vice-President?  Whatever it is, spell it out - don't use abbreviations which are probably not familiar to your intended audience.  I never had a problem with EOIs - the usual response rate was about 80%, of which maybe half were interested in corresponding.  If your response rate is so low you might need to rethink either your approach or the women that you're sending the EOIs to.  Certainly a letter will be appreciated much more highly, especially if it has been properly translated by a human rather than Messrs Google or Bing.
 
If you're going to use machine translation, always translate it back to English to make sure that what you're sending is actually what you want her to read.  Even what you consider to be the simplest sentences may actually come unstuck, whereas a more complicated one may translate just fine.
 
Good luck!

[Olly]

Please, guys, never put a big translated text to your profile! If you know "basic" russian just write couple of word. Online- translator make it not correct. And it means you do not care about what you write on your profile, you not check out it. It is just disrespect for women.
And what is AVP?

[lordart]

Ah, so I should quickly yank down my translated profile and just keep the english one there until the real translation comes through?  That's why I have the disclaimer at the top that a better one is coming. 

AVP is Assistant Vice President, yes.

Anything else I should try while I'm at it?   

How are the pictures?

I appreciate the help!

Arthur

[newjason]

Not quite a video game....would you walk away from a video game with about 20 credits left.

If you asked me this 25 years ago, and the game was space invaders, or Centipede, I would have said, no I would not walk away while credits remain.
However, Now I am not interested in video games, and yes, I would leave the credits behind. My approach to life has changed a lot over the last few years. I am much more of a "meet me face to face" type person.
I don't spend a lot of time in pursuit of a mythical future Mrs. NewJason.  I realized that no matter how hard I try, or how much I want it to be, relying on a woman as the source of my happiness is just silly.  I am happy because I do what I love doing and no one can take that away from me. I am open to spending my life with a happy woman. If there is such a thing  lol.  I am an adrenaline junkie. I would  not want it any other way. I have a high octane life and my heart beats like a hummingbirds (from excitement and terror mostly )
There are moments of boredom, but they are few and far between.
 

Not to hijack the thread (but I guess I am anyways), but I'm very new to the Russian scene.  I have posted a profile on EM and since there are so many experts here, I'd like a critique if possible.

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=4513006

I have visited St. Petersburg to date a lady that I met through other means than a service.  It didn't work out, but made the concept viable to me since I wouldn't have done so before.  (Long story)

I have been using EOIs because I'm a gold user, but now it seems I should have gone for platinum?  How shot in the head am I because I've used EOIs?  I've only gotten one read so far (which was rejected).

Should my opening emails be in Russian?  All I can use is google translate, so does it make sense to put the english and google translated version in that email?  I've done the same with my profile, but I do have a more professional translation in the works.  I just found out that I should have a russian version up there, etc.

So any advice would be appreciated, especially from the ladies.   Thank you in advance!

Arthur

I think your profile is a good start.
May I offer you some advice from what I can see?
Firstly, keep in mind that Russian is a very different and more straight foward language than English, so to be understood clearly is big plus.
In other words,  Don't use slang, or trendy expressions. And please dont abbreviate.  take all the text speak and short hand out and you will have a great profile. 

example:

Profession   IT Professional
Occupation   AVP of Risk Analytics  <----?  what is that?  I will guess--  Assistant Vice President of Risk Analytics? most people will have no idea what that is.

maybe Better to keep it simple

Profession   Information Technologies
Occupation   Technical Management

***

Other   Must love geeks and be open minded...

to

Other       Must love above average Intellect and have an open mind




Keep in mind, I am just a bystander and a well wisher. (and a Base Jumper) 

Jason

Oh, and I still don't know what an EOI  is... ??

Eletronic Oral Interface?

Expectation Of Intercourse?

Extended Orgasm Invitation?